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Actually, It's Google That's Eating the World
waderoush writes "An Xconomy column [Friday] suggests that Google is getting too big. When the company was younger, most of its acquisitions related to its core businesses of search, advertising, network infrastructure, and communications. More recently, it's been colonizing areas with a less obvious connection to search, such as travel, social networking, productivity, logistics, energy, robotics, and — with the acquisition this week of Nest Labs — home sensor networks and automation. A Google acquisition can obviously mean a big payoff for startup founders and their investors, but as the company grows by accretion it may actually be slowing innovation in Silicon Valley (since teams inside the Googleplex, with its endless fountain of AdWords revenue, can stop worrying about making money or meeting market needs). And by infiltrating so many corners of consumers' lives — and collecting personal and behavioral data as it goes — it's becoming an all-encompassing presence, and making itself ever more attractive as a target for marketers, data thieves, and government snoops. 'Any sufficiently advanced search, communications, and sensing infrastructure is indistinguishable from Big Brother,' the column argues."
How's their colony on LV-426 doing?
Why does every idiotic rambling monologue filled with vague predictions of doom based on the idea that Google is too successful have to be given a place on the front page?
Silicon Valley used to be a truly remarkable place. It was where industry and the future truly did collide head-on. And because of this, great things happened there.
Hewlett-Packard. Fairchild Semiconductor. Xerox PARC. Intel. Sun Microsystems. Cisco Systems.
Those were the kind of names we came to associate with very advanced technological achievement. They earned our respect with the tremendous advances they made.
But then something happened. Silicon Valley ceased to be about a productive, beneficial future. It became about a shitty, rotten future. It became about "social media". It became about advertising. It became about a disturbing level of data collection and mining.
The Silicon Valley of today is a mere shell of what it once was. Clad in fedora hats and rampant hipsterism, Silicon Valley of today is a sissified, degenerate place. Gone are the real scientists and engineers who advanced technology for all of mankind. Gone are their advances. Gone are the hope they brought.
I weep for Silicon Valley. It truly does make me quite distraught to think about what has happened to it. One of the greatest intellectual creations ever to existed has been crushed by men who wear tight jeans and glasses without lenses. It has been dragged through the mud by overweight, unshaven manchildren wearing stained shirts with shitty Japanese drawings on them. It has been shit upon repeatedly by self-styled "entrepreneurs" and "engineers" whose only talent is unjustifiable self promotion.
It is too late to save Silicon Valley. But other technologically-inclined regions should take note of what happened there. Keep away the hipsters. Keep away the bearded manchildren. Keep away the "entrepreneurs" and "engineers" who spew forth about Ruby on Rails. These people are an infection, and this infection will destroy even the most robust of technological and industrial communities. Do not let them ruin your community like they ruined Silicon Valley's.
"...the eve of Microsofts november? Where people, state, country and all of human world cried out havoc! God behave, its growing too big! Destroy the cancer show no mercy... as we are just and righteous to judge justice upon thee. Again we shall mount our horses, sharpen our swords and call for the holy crusade!" Sorry its sunday, I couldn't resist. If people notice just now then I doubt it will change a single thing. But hope remains, last of the curses in pandoras box!
It is rude to randomly redirect visitors to beta.slashdot.
Even more so because beta sucks.
Providing a hard to find opt-out, http://slashdot.org/?nobeta=1, just upgrades the aggravation level from "rude" to "insulting and infuriating".
The only acceptable option is, as always, opt-in.
I guess you need reminding. a lot.
You say this like it's a bad thing.
Sounds to me like freedom to try really crazy/cool ideas that may not be immediately financially viable.
Animosity towards Google is rising because Google is extending its data grabbing into other domains, and that prompts people to look for alternatives, even regarding Google's core selling point, web search.
Actually, i think Google knows that it is getting too big: the breakneck speed of acquisitions is the result of the intent, to get as big as they can before a more confining regulation sets in.
You're not alone.
As somebody who has worked in the software industry for decades now, I find it stunning that the Slashdot beta project has not been terminated yet. It's a failure in every single sense. The users here almost all absolutely hate it. It looks worse than the existing site. It functions worse than the existing site. I think it's slower than the existing site. There is so much wasted empty space. The fonts are harder to read. The discussion is much, much more difficult to follow. It's harder to post a comment. Being forced to use it unexpectedly affects users trying to use the existing site!
And those comparisons are to an existing Slashdot site that was Web 2.0-ified a while back, making it even shittier than the site that preceded it!
While we should be accustomed to social media web sites shitting all over their users with bad redesigns, Slashdot is really taking it a step beyond with this beta site. I can sincerely see a Digg v4-style disaster happening again if the beta site goes live, it's just that bad. The beta will drive away the few remaining users of value.
I sure hope that Slashdot does the right thing, and puts an end to this beta site project. Nothing good will come out of it, aside from lessons about what not to do. Everything about the beta site is just plain bad. Terminate the project, throw away the code, and move on. And do this well before the beta site ever replaces the current one!
has always been Data.
SV went from scientists and engineers selling a new product they invented to a bunch of dorks who are trying to get rich quick.
When I see someone with an over inflated ego call herself a JavaScript "Engineer" (engineer?! Oh, please!) who is has this incredible "innovation" (Just Another Fucking Social Media/Pimp Subscriber's Data for Ads and Marketing software), I just shake my head and see that SV has jumped the shark,
I AM seeing some incredible innovations in healthcare in ...wait for it ... India. American trained Indian doctors are giving superior healthcare at a fraction of the price to some of the poorest people on Earth. And the docs are STILL making a very nice living - if not more because of the processes they invented. Win/win!!
THAT is exciting and Innovative.
This is what a successful mega-corporation does when opportunities for growth within its primary revenue stream stagnate, or at least taper off.
Good for consumers? Hardly. Competition, rather than consolidation, is generally in the better interest of the average buyer.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
Ernest Hemingway
Never understood the appeal of Google to self proclaimed geeks.
Everyone is condemning the NSA snooping, but criticise Google, and hordes of Google sheep will try to hunt you down, down mod you into oblivion and kill you for blasphemy.
They use Tor, proxies and VPNs, yet use Google services and Android phones. They use adblock tools yet support the biggest ad company there is. It's pure schizophrenia.
And why? Because they are "open" ( except for all the good and important parts) and release some unimportant source code. It boggles my mind why so many are supporting Google.
And I haven't even mentioned the ever declining quality of their services yet.
If huge companies that are highly profitable don't spend and invest their money, how is that money ever going to get back into the economy? It seems to me that if giant companies like Google don't expand into other sectors of the economy then the only other alternative is for them to hoard immense piles of cash, which would keep that money from circulating in the economy, which would be a bad thing for the average person.
Some dorks are hipsters. All hipsters are dorks. So what you and the GP are saying are both equally true.
Those "JavaScript engineers" you talk of are almost all hipsters (and thus dorks, too). The people involved with the pathetic modern "startups" you mention are also hipsters (and thus dorks, too).
Technical innovation will never come from people who are very concerned with how they dress, or with how they style their mustaches and beards, or with how obscure their music is, or with being "ironic" (whatever the hell that actually means).
and Apple too, to powerful with its digital music and its (gasp) Walled Garden.
Abusive definitely, their behaviour in the disgusting Book caper where they raised the price of Ebooks for none Apple users is something they continue to act unapologetic . The Control they have with Carriers forcing none Apple users again to pay for Apples products. I would argue their control of Digital music is still too high...fortunately the trend for that has dropped. As for the Walled garden thing...I am not really sure how it is related; The FSF protected Apple users from Apple!? allowing jailbreak to be legal again. Personally though I think people should be made aware of Apple abuses and alternatives exist.
Isn't this a Google Article?
I'd say they are becoming more like "Buy N Large" from Wall-E - all pervasive, all providing.
"She's furniture with a pulse"
So it isn't grey goo after all, just goo.
They will grow far to large and bloated, people will call from them to be broken up, and the anti-trust lawsuits will follow. It seems to be a vicious cycle that every large American tech company goes through. In 20 years time we will start seeing the articles "How Google lost its mojo" and "Google strives to get back on top". Its inevitable.
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. -Carl Sagan
... that separates large governments and mega-corporations is intent. As events continue to demonstrate, neither's intent is benign, so it's kind of a toss up as to who is the bigger, badder brother.
No big gains and it will possibly fall? Then short it! Don't forget to quit your day job, you should be doing this professionally!
Google has always been in the data business. Putting sensors into our homes fits perfectly into that business model.
I looked into this recently, and was kind of surprised at what I found.
Mostly, my surprise is that they aren't that big. By revenue, they are 55th on the Fortune 500 list. For comparison, Dell is 51. Now Google is far more profitable, has a much larger market cap, and is growing very quickly... but still, I was shocked that they aren't larger. If you get a lot of your news from tech press like I do, then you could be led to believe that Google is swallowing up the world. But in fact, they are still smaller than Amazon, smaller than Microsoft, half the size of IBM, and 1/3 the size of Apple. Google definitely gets an outsized amount of press attention compared to their revenue, and get blamed for a lot of things that their size just doesn't support.
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Shorting won't pay off if it just goes flat like MS did for a decade.
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Sounds like a chat program that would be useful in a room full of computers, i.e. in a Jr. High School classroom.
The problem with being big in the innovation world is how that affects the startup/venture capital market for other ventures. While anyone with a novel idea has to worry about the Googleplex paralleling their efforts, the other side of this coin is the payoff of acquisition. There is a market for your startup other than the cold, cruel world of having to run your own business for the rest of your life.
The big Google overhang of the innovation market doesn't seem to be as bad as the feared Microsoft shadow once was. There, if you didn't buy into Microsoft's vision of the world, they would very probably try to kill your venture off. And you had to explain your strategy for working around this to any VC firm you made a pitch to. Google (and Apple) don't seem to be pushing the market around to this extent. You want to build for the Android platform? Fine. Nothing wrong with an Apple, Windows, or even (shudder) a Linux version as well. If you are a business and you want a mix of desktops, no problem. There is no Windows volume discount that magically happens to kick in only when the last competing OS installation is carried off to the dumpster.
Google's size might harm their own innovation. But so long as they don't try to drag the rest of the market down to their level, that will only be their own problem to correct.
Have gnu, will travel.
Mainly he wants to sell you his old PS2 so he can afford a PS4.
Thank goodness mom is there to remind you what a sucky deal that would be.
ante hoc ergo non propter hoc.
and moved into research parks like Triangle Research Park (North Carolina, NC) and Cummins Research Park (Huntsville, AL).
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Rather than complain about Google's size, I'd love it if they would branch out into at least one more category - online auctions. They're the only company that I can think of that could seriously challenge Ebay, and Ebay needs challenging. Even from a privacy perspective, Google auctions would be superior: recall that Ebay publicly handed over all information on their users without a warrant and declared that any company which didn't do so was unpatriotic.
I'd say they are becoming more like "Buy N Large" from Wall-E - all pervasive, all providing.
BNL was also the government.
The "Civilized World" jumped the shark ca. 1973.
Er, no. Go read a history of Google. The search engine came first and for several years they had no idea how to fund it at all. They sold search services to Yahoo and Netscape. They put their code in a box and tried to sell the Google Search Appliance. They did a bunch of other random things before they eventually tried out keyword based advertising. To say the search engine was a byproduct of a desire to serve ads just makes you look like an idiot who is making stuff up as you go along.
Why the fuck is this untruth interesting? Google search engine was just a research project with no revenue to speak of. Thy had no revenue till they stole Overture's idea of showing advertisements along with search results. Yahoo went on to buy Overture and Google settled with Yahoo in 2004.
Google does a lot other things that could potentially bring in the dough without having anything to do with tracking and advertising. Unlike an iPhone or my USD 2.5K Windows laptop(changed to Fedora), my investment in Google when I use their search, chrome browser and Nexus phone is zero. I could move to competing products on a whim. But when I buy Apple, I can never think of using another app store legally. When I buy a decent laptop and want to avoid the Apple or Microsoft tax, it is next to impossible.
By market cap, those numbers are totally wrong. Google is bigger than all those companies, other than Apple.
I'm gonna need a spec.
Market penetration? Yes, it's hard to do better than revenue vs. peers. Influence? That's much more nebulous. I'm definitely suggesting that Google has an influence much greater than it's revenue would seem to indicate. As I said, I was surprised at just how small it was.
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Market cap is a measure of how big/profitable the market thinks the company will be someday, not how large the company is now. The market may very well be right, and Google may someday swallow the earth - but today, the idea that they are this unprecedented or exceptionally large entity is a little exaggerated.
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Yes, I'm aware that their revenue is large for a services company - but note that MS and IBM also don't see much hardware relative to their revenue, and they are both larger.
I'm not sure what you mean by "judge them by revenue". I agree that it makes little sense to judge a company based on revenue alone, but if I see a market cap as big as Google has, you can bet I'm going to examine prospects for revenue growth before making an investment.
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I agree with that statement. I think we are basically saying the same thing. A company with poor future prospects will have a low stock price, even if it is currently doing well. A company with bright prospects (like Google) will trade well above what it's current finances warrant. The true value of a company is quite obviously the current stock price.
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Like eh.... a search engine?
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little piece of black electrical tape...?
They are working hard to move on from "BigBrother" status to "skyNet" status.
How would you react to THIS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dWMIuipn_c
Google's core business has always been about finding patterns in large amounts of data. Matching advertisements to users is just another form of pattern matching.