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First time accepted submitter GPS Pilot writes "Previous reports said the rock that suddenly appeared out of nowhere was merely 'the size of a jelly doughnut.' Now, a color image shows additional reasons for this metaphor: 'It's white around the outside, in the middle there's kind of a low spot that's dark red,' said lead scientist Steve Squyres. In the image, the object does stick out like a sore thumb amidst the surrounding orange rocks and soil. Its composition is 'like nothing we've ever seen before. It's very high in sulfur, it's very high in magnesium, it's got twice as much manganese as we've ever seen in anything on Mars.'"

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  1. It's Aliens! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    .... See subject. I think the evidence speaks for itself.

    1. Re:It's Aliens! by sqorbit · · Score: 3, Funny

      Since it was a rock that must have been thrown in front of the camera it has to be alien bigfoot. Bigfoot is known for throwing rocks.

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    2. Re:It's Aliens! by icebike · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The experts think the rock was "Tiddleywinked" by the rover's own wheels while turning or maneuvering on the ground.

      One possible location where it might have come from is also pretty obvious when you get wider field photographs than the sensational press like so publish.

      For instance, Compare this is a wider field shot of the ares BEFORE the appearance:

      Pic 1: http://marsrover.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/p/3528/1P441385599EFFCADPP2385R1M1.JPG

      To a wider shot of the area AFTER the appearance.

      Pic 2: http://marsrover.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/p/3540/1P442453328EFFCAEFP2594R1M1.JPG

      Notice that scuff mark in the lower left corner of the Pic 2, and find the same location in
      Pic 1. (Its diagonally down and to the right of the "bald eagle head shot" in Pic 1.)

      A little trench has been exposed, dirt turned over and some material is missing. A rock is clearly missing from this hole.
      Could the rock have been un-Marsed from this hole by a wheel, and thrown that far, landing it upside down such that we see an un-weathered surface? Not saying for sure this is where it came from, (hole looks a little small), but a simple widefield view will probably reveal similar candidate sources.

      I Hope JPL holds off on releasing any new imagery until the conspiracy nut jobs work their way into a screaming lather. The deflation is so much more fun that way,

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    3. Re:It's Aliens! by icebike · · Score: 4, Informative

      By the way, to get a better size perspective of the rock, check out this show from the front Hazcam:

      http://marsrover.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/f/3540/1F442454318EFFCAEOP1214L0M1.JPG

      You can easily see that this object could have been tossed by the wheels when you see the size comparison to the wheels.

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    4. Re:It's Aliens! by Hatta · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's obviously the Illudium Q-36 space modulator.

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    5. Re:It's Aliens! by g0bshiTe · · Score: 2

      I counter instead of getting kicked up, which would imply either getting caught in the tread or slippage in traction throwing the rock, the rock rolled inside the wheel well and got carried on the inside of the hub and rolled back out and into it's new mystical resting spot.

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    6. Re:It's Aliens! by LifesABeach · · Score: 2

      Could it be a "pop" rock?

    7. Re:It's Aliens! by icebike · · Score: 2

      Agreed. All reasonable assumptions.

      One of the linked articles suggests they have analized the make up of the rock and find it quite different from the surrounding rocks, so some weight is given to the theory that it maybe it bounced in from impact, maybe miles away.

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    8. Re:It's Aliens! by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 4, Funny

      One of the linked articles suggests they have analized the make up of the rock

      Typical Humans. Landed less than five minutes ago and already we're molesting the locals.

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    9. Re:It's Aliens! by Zynder · · Score: 2

      Nope, not possible. There was no Earth-shattering kaboom. There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering kaboom!

  2. ROCK LOBSTER! by danbert8 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Maybe it's not a rock...

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  3. Another bad assumption by cold+fjord · · Score: 2

    Almost everyone has assumed that if aliens ever show up that it would be a big show: "We come in peace. Take us to your leader" Or, if not that, then something like, "We've been here watching for decades | hundreds | thousands of years." I don't think anyone ever considers it possible that an alien presence would be revealed by a prank to be followed by the intergalactic equivalent of Nelson's "Ha ha!" or "You guys are a hoot! You're our favorite 4D TV show!" Well, it beats being eaten.

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  4. Occam's by gmuslera · · Score: 2

    Sometimes a rock is just a rock, could had ended there because winds, a chain reaction caused by the rover, even a small asteroid hitting the planet and spreading pebbles around is easier to happen than life forms moving it.

    1. Re:Occam's by cusco · · Score: 2

      The Unmanned Space Flight forums have some better images than most you'll see on the standard snews sites. There are at least two rocks and some sand that has appeared in the image. That's on the uphill side of the rover, it's likely that this stuff rolled down the hill. What started it rolling is unknown, of course.

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    2. Re:Occam's by cusco · · Score: 5, Informative

      Link directly to the image.

      And to the forum thread.
       

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  5. Storms by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2

    With 1/3 the gravity of Earth I can see typical 80 mph winds carrying something as small as a doughnut

    1. Re: Storms by Namarrgon · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Martian atmosphere is about 0.6kPa, compared to Earth's 101kPa. It's just not dense enough to move anything more substantial than dust.

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  6. damn. by Frontier+Owner · · Score: 2

    some poor martian is trying to figure out how to snatch his breakfast without the camera seeing him...

  7. NASA says Mars' wind can't move rocks by GPS+Pilot · · Score: 5, Informative

    The wind on Mars is not "strong" enough to move rocks on the surface. Even though winds on Mars can probably reach large speeds, the atmospheric density is so low, that the force the wind can impose on a rock is quite small. For instance, a wind of 10 meters per second (about 20 miles per hour) here on Earth produces a force which is four times stronger than does a 50 meter per second wind (a bit more than 100 miles per hour) on the surface of Mars. So, since a 20 mile per hour wind here on Earth does not generally move rocks about on the surface (though it does raise dust), the winds on Mars don't move rocks on the surface either.

    Jim Murphy
    Mars Pathfinder ASI/MET Science Team

    Source: http://quest.arc.nasa.gov/mars/ask/atmosphere/Feel_of_Wind_on_Mars.txt

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  8. Re:Mars is Boring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If any of your endeavors involve a 54.6 million km journey through space I'm sure you'll get your share of free marketing too.

  9. Re:Fuel for the improbability drive by camperdave · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Horta, from the episode 26, Devil in the Dark. Now, where are my 600 quatloos?

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  10. Moving rock by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

    So this rock moved when we weren't looking at it... Do you realize what this means? It's a Weeping Angel! Get that rover out of there now! (But don't look away. Don't even blink. Blink and you're dead.)

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    1. Re:Moving rock by Zordak · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, it's their cousin species, the Weeping Jelly Doughnuts, who are much less of a menace to the universe. Instead of zapping you back in time 80 years and feeding on your residual potential, they zap you back in time to last Tuesday, where you eagerly devour an unwitting jelly doughnut that will now never get a chance to zap you back in time to last Tuesday, thus creating a paradox and canceling its own existence. There's a reason they're all but extinct.

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  11. Re:Mars is Boring by farble1670 · · Score: 2

    if you meant mars, because it'd be a learning experience, then yes.

    if you meant mars because it might be more hospitable than a future earth, then no. earth could be hit by a big rock and would still be far more hospitable than mars.

  12. Re:Post a link, please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.php?showtopic=7708&st=345

    These are some picture posted there:
    http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=31925
    http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=31954

  13. Re: Definitely by tleaf100 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    science baffles scientist,still.

  14. Take with a grain of salt by TotalDisdain · · Score: 2

    News Alert. Authorities in California are raiding Justin Bieber's home looking for evidence through his security videos of him throwing rocks at the Mars Rover Opportunity.

  15. There are other rocks also by madhatter256 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you look in the photo provided by CNN in the article, look at the rock which casts a shadow near the top left corner of the photo.

    That same rock is there in the newer photo with the donut-rock. Now, just look down a little bit and slight right you will see a darker spot that wasn't that dark in the earlier picture and it appears to cast a shadow. Therefore, there are more rocks (at least two) that weren't there before.

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  16. Re:Fuel for the improbability drive by icebike · · Score: 3, Funny

    Not to mention the Warp Drive, the least reliable propulsion system in history, and the nut job that compensated for that by adding a holo deck.

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  17. Comparison by RdeCourtney · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've done a very quick animated gif: https://imgflip.com/gif/69vpc If you see the circled area, that looks like the area the rock has come from, probably flicked there by the front wheels?

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  18. It was a janitor by itamblyn · · Score: 4, Funny

    The whole thing is being shot in a Hollywood studio. A night janitor was goofing around with the set and didn't put things back properly. Happens all the time.

  19. Saw that movie in the 60s... by TimOBrien8837 · · Score: 2

    If it moves again, KILL IT! (I grew up watching those movies...)

  20. Dry ice pop rocks by An+dochasac · · Score: 2

    A bit of dry ice forms in a crack in a stone and stays below freezing for a day or a million years before a rover tyre moves some soil and exposes it to the heat of the sun. The dry ice sublimates but instead of earth water's slow process of expanding and cracking a rock, sublimated dry ice occasionally pops a rock shard quite a long distance. Like pop-rocks.

    Pop rock manufacture (from Wikipedia): The candy is made by mixing its ingredients and heating them until they melt into a syrup, then exposing the mixture to pressurized carbon dioxide gas (about 600 pounds per square inch or 40 bar) and allowing it to cool. The process causes tiny high-pressure bubbles to be trapped inside the candy.