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The "Triple Package" Explains Why Some Cultural Groups Are More Successful
Hugh Pickens DOT Com writes "Yale Law School professors Amy Chua, the self-proclaimed 'Tiger Mom,' and her husband Jed Rubenfeld write in the NYT that it may be taboo to say it, but certain ethnic, religious and national-origin groups are doing strikingly better than Americans overall and Chua and Rubenfeld claim to have identified the three factors that account some group's upward mobility. 'It turns out that for all their diversity, the strikingly successful groups in America today share three traits that, together, propel success,' write Chua and Rubenfeld. 'The first is a superiority complex — a deep-seated belief in their exceptionality. The second appears to be the opposite — insecurity, a feeling that you or what you've done is not good enough. The third is impulse control.' Ironically, each element of the Triple Package violates a core tenet of contemporary American thinking. For example, that insecurity should be a lever of success is anathema in American culture. Feelings of inadequacy are cause for concern or even therapy and parents deliberately instilling insecurity in their children is almost unthinkable. Yet insecurity runs deep in every one of America's rising groups; and consciously or unconsciously, they tend to instill it in their children. Being an outsider in a society — and America's most successful groups are all outsiders in one way or another — is a source of insecurity in itself. Immigrants worry about whether they can survive in a strange land, often communicating a sense of life's precariousness to their children. Hence the common credo: They can take away your home or business, but never your education, so study harder. 'The United States itself was born a Triple Package nation, with an outsized belief in its own exceptionality, a goading desire to prove itself to aristocratic Europe and a Puritan inheritance of impulse control,' conclude Chua and Rubenfeld adding that prosperity and power had their predictable effect, eroding the insecurity and self-restraint that led to them. 'Thus the trials of recent years — the unwon wars, the financial collapse, the rise of China — have, perversely, had a beneficial effect: the return of insecurity...America has always been at its best when it has had to overcome adversity and prove its mettle on the world stage. For better and worse, it has that opportunity again today.'"
Makes us really nervous when people talk this way.
...in that some feeling of superiority or supremacy for either the group that one hails from, be it family, community, race, whatever, gives one the belief that one can achieve, or can achieve more than others.
Feeling of inadequacy guilts one into taking action, to actually attempt to strive to meet that perceived superiority.
Impulse control prevents one from going for instant short-term benefits when those benefits are small, when one can see longer-term benefits by being willing to settle for something lesser now.
I'm not going to get into the racism and other unfortunate points of the argument, but it's not that surprising to me that those that feel that they can achieve will achieve, while those that don't feel that they can achieve won't, by the averages.
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
This piece of "outrage journalism" was "news" two weeks ago. /. regurgitating it? And why after waiting two weeks?
Why is
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
It must sux to be an American parent. Every time you open news you will learn another reason why you are bad parent. It does not even matter which news, even technical sites are now joining in fun.
Apparently American parents are too easy on kids while over scheduling and overworking them. They spend too little time with their kids while helicoptering over them. They do not care about school while bothering teachers with questions about little Johny every other day. They are not careful enough and tend to hurt their self esteem while making their kids to have too much self esteem. They helicopter and do not allow their toddlers to fall in play and thus do not allow them to naturally learn, But OMG, that toddler has bruise, no one caught his fall!!! Child neglect call CPS!!!
really the older one since he is the only one in school
tell him if he doesn't study and put an effort in that he is going to be kicked back to day care
This explains why my manager is a psycho :D
Build a Man a Fire, and He'll Be Warm for a Day. Set a Man on Fire, and He'll Be Warm for the Rest of His Life.
So, basically, success boils down to not making dumb decisions, feeling like to need to prove yourself, and knowing you can do better than where you are in life? Seems like a blinding flash of the obvious, in a lot of ways...and the Irish and Italians proved this a hundred or more years ago.
Talent and damn hard work.
Its all very well being some extrovert but insecure snake oil salesman , but if you really have nothing behind the shiny smile and/or you're lazy then the odds are you're not going to get very far.
On the other hand I'm come across plenty of shy retiring types who may not have all the smart ass patter and have no more insecurity than anyone else - but they have brains and they do well.
at least here in NYC i see lots of American young kids spending insane amounts of money in rent to live in the trendy and hip neighborhoods to spend even more money on overpriced alcohol at bars and whatever
the immigrants are the ones who own the million dollar homes in the best school zones here in places lots of new yorkers have never heard of
a paranoid (insecure) psychopath (superiority) with a certain devious strain (impulse control) ,that causes him to wait, would be what they are talking about. I guess you can find that in any cultural group.
Correlation doesn't prove causality. Perhaps they don't teach this principle in law school.
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I am a very successful (by most metrics. education, job security, networth, income, family, status/respect among the peers) Indian American. Any statistics about Indian Americans suffers from terrible sample bias. Almost all the Indian immigrants to USA fall into exactly two categories. 1. Highly educated (post grad + in India from top Indian universities, IITs, IIMs, IISc, AIIMSs, NITs, RECs, etc). 2. Emigres from Gujrat business communities. Both groups would be very successful wherever they go, not because of any of this triple package.
The Gujarati business community is world wide and they thrive in every corner of the world. A huge percentage of grocery stores, motels, retail stores and pawn shops in Africa, Caribbean and Pacific islands are owned by them, and they are making big inroads into USA, UK, Canada, New Zeland, Australia etc as their immigration polices are getting relaxed .
The educated Indians were bottled up in India, when it was pursuing socialistic policies. A small trickle of engineers and doctors from India in 1960s became a veritable torrent during 1990s. Stated with F1 student visa, and then H1B work visas. They are all college educated.
The achievements of Indian children in academics in the USA is not very much out place compared to the Whites, Jews, the African Americans or Chinese, if you draw a sample with same level of education/wealth from these communities.
This triple package theory does not explain why, despite being endowed with the triple package in the dyed in wool pristine form, India and Nigeria are so corrupt and so mired in poverty.
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All these, except impulse control, are strong indicators of an imbalanced and immature personality. These people are a problem. Their "success" is essentially of negative worth to society, and, I suspect, to themselves.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Is there some sort of scientific study backing this up. If not then wtf is it doing on slashdot
Indeed. Superiority founded only on an irrational believe of being superior. In fact, these people are a problem.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
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I was a young boy, it was 4th grade and I was living in Taiwan. (no I was not a military brat)
Our "American" school took us on a field trip to a Taiwanese school to see what it was like for local kids our age. At my school we did math problems such as 23 x 65 = ?, yes... that's all the more difficult it was.
At the Taiwanese school they did problems such as 34251 x 67453 = ?, but that wasn't all they did, a lot of what was on their board I didn't even understand.
It's been suggested that a lot of the kids at the "American" school were military, and that's why the bar was set low, the truth is I don't know why there were such low expectations.
What I do know is that expectations were much higher in Taiwan and else where for the same age group.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
this shit be racist "claim to have identified the three factors that account some group's..."
Everything else is just a matter of time. Impulse control + desire to achieve -> success in the long run, unless you get beaten up by people without impulse control who find you annoying.
When I arrived on the shore of America I had nothing.
I didn't even speak English.
To make the long story short - two of the three factors were very vital for my survival, and ultimately put me to where I am - except for the "superiority" factor, because I was less than a nothing back then.
As I grow more accustomed to the American lives, I get to know people from different cultures - for one reason or another, I find one group very very interesting - the Jews.
They are in so many ways so similar to the Chinese - and yet, they are far superior to the Chinese (yes, insecurity complex at play here) in that the Jews have a purpose in their own private lives and also for their community lives - on the other hand, most Chinese do not.
At the end of the day, the success of the Jews is not a fluke - their culture is structured in such a way that death of one member is nothing - even a massacre of millions to the Jews is nothing - as long as their culture gets to live on.
BBC has a very interesting program on the revival of Jewish culture in Krakow, Poland -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programme...
What the Chinese have is number. What the Jews have is determination.
But other than that, in many other aspect in lives, what the Jews are can very much be found in the Chinese.
And I am not the only one who is saying this - read the following article (written by a Jew) to find out what he says ---
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/C...
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Even after they've earned more than me. Kung Pow Triple is tasty.
Northern Mexico has the same resources as the Southwest US/Texas.
It is all about specific types ofintelligence - logical-mathematical. In layman's terms - geeks do better in our techno-centric society. The ethnicity with most geeks ends up with an advantage, then the resulting socioeconomic factors cement the advantage..
Sadly, whatever it is is blocked where I am. The first guess I'd level out the gate is that it's an extension of "scientific racism" wherein "racial traits" are determined at a broad-based statistical level, and used for inferences about individuals in a way that only justifies biases and doesn't really inform.
Is that what it was?
1. The three things pointed out by the authors do not have anything to do with race in my opinion. I think what the authors have stated is quiet obvious, for example in my home country (Morocco) the people with highest degree of motivation for upward mobility are from disadvantaged financial and social background. Their findings are correct but at a very high âoeGeneralizedâ almost sterotypical level. 2. The upward mobility the authors are referring is what I would classify as âoeMedium Incomeâ expansion. In United States, this is common occurrence because of waves of new immigrant every generation. Of course after time most immigrants move up even those who come from very disadvantaged backgrounds. Human nature be adaptive and learn to get what you want.
Would you rather be successful and miserable, or a happy failure?
I'm told that Hawaii, for example, has an odd vibe where a lot of people lead frugal lives with clapped out cars and McJobs, but they're there because it's a wonderful place to live. Do they deserve contempt for their lack of ambition? Praise for their ability to value the things that really matter? Respect despite having chosen a path we might not choose for ourselves?
Well, I guess we can tell which groups you're not in.
Everybody should be given an equal opportunity, not everybody is equally capable of taking an advantage of such opportunity.
I think i would add a 4th catagory...
The lack of crazy.
So many countries and cultures are bogged down in truely ANCIENT crazy beliefs and superstitions that they can't get shit done.
Something that america as a whole has rejected mostly. Even tho it's made up of people from every culture on the planet... For example the thing in japan with gift giving.. Yeah.. If you're from japan and come here... We'll pretty much reject that completely. We're not doing it.
Or the excessive politeness of some places like pakistan... Yeah no. We don't deal with that whole mess.
And most every other culture on the planet has these insane oudated quirks that really impedes progress daily. And here in the US. Nope. Fuck that. We got stuff to do.
Now if we could just get rid of religion we'd be making some real headway on getting shit done. But it's going to take a long time to wipe out that particular mental illness im afraid.
I know I can write the best comment here,
but I'm not sure if the one I'm writing now is all that good.
I guess I'll think about it a bit more before I post.
Well, it always depends on how you measure success ... who's more successful, the small guy who manages to get around with minimum wage jobs, or the top manager who tanks several companies but always leaves with the golden parachute?
Mankind has grown great in eternal struggle, and only in eternal peace does it perish. -Adolf Hitler
I love that they made impulse control one of the three important characteristics. I think it's an important factor to be sure and one that really sets different people apart from each other.
Teenagers are famous for their lack of impulse control. Either it is my age showing or there really does seem to be an decrease of impulse control among American teens. It might be convenient to blame race for some of this... no, it really is easy when you look at the whole world instead of just what goes on in the U.S. But we're all human and we have a component of what we learn and are taught. Impulse control is 'behavior' and it comes largely from parenting.
The article highlights asian success who are also pretty famous for their parenting. Most people in the US find the style a bit restrictive to say the least and even distasteful. But the result speak for themselves do they not? And over the last few decades or more, there has been a constant stream of complaints by older people who keep talking about kids today and "family values" and parenting and all that. Mostly, this all falls on deaf ears of people who think they know better or that the old ways are no longer valid in "today's world."
And when you look at trending among different ethnicities in the US, where you see an increase in fatherless families or otherwise single parents you see more and more of these problems we call "impulse control" issues. (Back in the day, we said "criminal tendencies") But it's a bit sad and also gratifying that this story is not about what makes the white man in America successful. After all, the white man in America is the target of blame for other ethnicities' shortcomings. But I am glad this study points out that other non-white people can do better than white people and white people don't seem to be resentful or trying to take them down, let alone "keeping them down." (In fact, I would go so far as to say the white man is generally in awe of and are looking up to the successful asians.) So isn't it about time we stop listening to the complaints which even today continue to sound about the white man in America?
At he end of the day, each of us only have ourselves to blame for what we can and cannot do. (Within some reason of course.) But impulse control is huge. It's what affects the decisions and courses we take in life. I once or twice explained to my sons that life is a series of forks and paths. Some are mutually exclusive. When you make one choice, many other choices disappear. For example, getting a facial tattoo would close a LOT of doors in a person's future. (And those damned gauged earrings? Who, outside of a cannibalistic clan, would think that is acceptable in society?)
I have a sense of responsibility. I have this dark inner feeling that the things my family and especially my children do are a reflection on me. So I do what I can to ensure they reflect as well as possible. I hope my sons feel the same way as they go through life. It's a driving factor in family values. We need a lot more of this. No more single parents. No more running away from responsibility. Life isn't about whether or not you're happy any more. That's on you, but it's not on you to make another person's life worse because you're unhappy. That's a violation.
It's just a coincidence of course, but this insane couple happens to be Jewish and Chinese, two of the 'superior' minorities they mention. Wow, who'da thunk it. Ridiculous individuals.
You just need to be crazy and acting out your psycosis on the rest of society: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder
Schools are failing because students don't listen or pay attention in class, and there is nothing the teacher can do. A friend of mine teaches. It sounds like a war zone where the students have all the weapons. And mommy and daddy never think it is their child's fault.
More ridiculous marketing drivel from pop psychologists to get couch appearances on daytime TV (who need guests who are pushing their new book), etc
The "chosen people" are "chosen" in the sense they have extra requirements, not superiority. They are expected to lead by example, by adhering to 613 commandments while the rest of the world is only expected to adhere to 7 commandments: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...
All this is to say, anyone who believes they are superior because they were born X or Y is missing the point. People of any ethnic or religious background can achieve the same "level" by helping to make the world a better place. You are judged by your deeds, not your words. That's all that matters.
Well, it always depends on how you measure success ... who's more successful, the small guy who manages to get around with minimum wage jobs, or the top manager who tanks several companies but always leaves with the golden parachute?
So, you obviously measure success by how much earthly capital a person acquires throughout their lives.
I measure it by being able to do what I want and be happy, without having to be a selfish douche-bag.
In accordance with that metric, I know homeless people who are far more successful than any corporate executive.
An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
Hard to say. In his first sentence, Jim Goad used a four-letter word for female genitalia to describe Amy Chu. That may be his opinion, but it's not important outside his head. Starting the article that way did not create the impression that an insightful and well-reasoned analysis will follow. I quit reading.
[Sir Garlon] is the marvellest knight that is now living, for he destroyeth many good knights, for he goeth invisible.
I won't say what industry I work in, but it's common knowledge that certain group(s) are given raises and promotions solely because of their ethnic makeup.
"If you're a ____________ let me know, you're getting a raise."
Because some groups go to extreme lengths to help each other.
As they say it's not what you know, it's who you know.
'The first is a superiority complex — a deep-seated belief in their exceptionality. The second appears to be the opposite — insecurity, a feeling that you or what you've done is not good enough. The third is impulse control.'
This is an almost textbook description of a SOCIOPATH.
Our society is structured so sociopaths achieve great power and wealth and are celebrated in our entertainment (how many more movies can Leonardo DeCaprio make where he plays a "Wealthy douche-bag" and be celebrated and nominated for academy awards for them?)
Take a look at the search criteria for any Fortune 500 executive position and you will see a litany of SOCIOPATH behaviors as "requirements" for the job.
Take a look at those who survive the rise to national political office and you will see each and every one of them displays sociopath tendencies.
We all give lip-service to the platitudes of tolerance and meritocracy but then turn around and celebrate and congratulate the successes of the ruthless sociopaths among us (Amy Chua is a perfect example.)
"Tiger Moms" create "successful" sociopaths (you all know them, they are your "Managers and/or CEO/VP from Hell" you endlessly bitch about.)
Is that what we really want?
That's the key to success? Sounds like conservative values to me. Especially when the author says "Ironically, each element of the Triple Package violates a core tenet of contemporary American thinking."
Among other detriments, contemporary American thinking assigns virtue to victimhood; a fallacy, for sure. It gives disadvantaged people a false moral high ground and one-sided sense of entitlement; an excuse factory. "Blame the system". Mean while the system has grown to be more of what it has been before, and people are still thriving and overcoming their hurdles.
Karl Marx is still dead wrong (see Communist Manifesto). Instead of going with it, he lamented progress as an enabler of the rich to get richer. For a guy who admired Darwin's work, his philosophy advocated protesting and complaining instead of adapting to survive and thrive, while he himself took advantage of the system. He had his sugar daddy Engels, and his wife's multiple inheritances to keep him going, while telling other people that the rich were screwing everyone.
The reason many immigrant groups thrive and surpass their previous is because they come here seeing not a system that is going to screw them, but a system they can take advantage of when they can, and a system they can go around when they can. Must be better than where they came from, otherwise they wouldn't see an incentive to being here.
You don't need the most expensive surfboard to ride the waves; to certain degrees of success and form you can even ride them with just a plank of wood. Anything is better than standing in the shore pouting while throwing stones at other surfers. Go out there and wipe out once or twice. I already wiped out once for a lack of Puritan impulse control, and I'm getting ready to go back out again and see what happens this time.
"Now, I doubt any of you would prefer a rolled up newspaper as a weapon against a dictator or a criminal intruder."
I hope he dies like Roland did.
This is some serious racial/ethnic flame war fuel right here.
I would hazard a guess that many of the immigrants who come here are already motivated to do better, why else would they leave their home to come here? They aren't going to let their kids sit in front of a video game for hours when they busted their ass to relocate to another country and build a better future. They also want to make sure their kids are pushed into prestigious, high income jobs like business management, lawyers and doctors. You can't blame them for trying to ensure their kids are successful.
"Native" kids and their parents don't know the hardships such as poverty, disease or oppressive governments their immigrant parents experienced in their homeland. They take their comfortable life for granted and don't have the same motivation to succeed because they already feel successful. As long as they get to play video games, go out on a weekend to party and have enough money to pay rent and bills, they are satisfied. This usually happens around the second or third generation born here.
And as a side note:
You want to know the secret to success? Risk. Immigrants took a big risk to come here. Their kids will also take risks like starting a business or changing jobs at the drop of a hat for more pay. Of all the people I know, the ones who are successful are the ones who took risks career wise and went into business or made major job/career changes.
... that those who proclaim the U. S. "the greatest country on earth" are really sabotaging the nation they claim to love?
Another factor perhaps? From The Economist magazine:
"That personality, along with intelligence, is at least partly heritable is becoming increasingly clear; so, presumably, the tendency to be happy or miserable is, to some extent, passed on through DNA. To try to establish just what that extent is, a group of scientists from University College, London; Harvard Medical School; the University of California, San Diego; and the University of Zurich examined over 1,000 pairs of twins from a huge study on the health of American adolescents.
The adolescents in Dr De Neve's study were asked to grade themselves from very satisfied to very dissatisfied. Dr De Neve found that those with one long allele were 8% more likely than those with none to describe themselves as very satisfied; those with two long alleles were 17% more likely.
Where the story could become controversial is when the ethnic origins of the volunteers are taken into account. All were Americans, but they were asked to classify themselves by race as well. On average, the Asian Americans in the sample had 0.69 long genes, the black Americans had 1.47 and the white Americans had 1.12."
-- "The Genetics of Happiness", The Economist, 15 Oct 2011
I think if you took a second look at what problems these cultures have you'd change your mind about how successful they are. We may have severe inequality in the US and problems with educating and employing our citizens (for a given value of education and employment), but at least we don't have to deal with centuries' worth of cultural baggage and the problems that come with it.
Frankly the US still comes out on top not because it has the best and the brightest but because if you live within its borders you are an "American" first and everything else second.
The wording of the first two traits is strong, and easily misinterpreted, like mistaking humility with being a pushover. "Superiority complex" might be better rendered as "the knowledge one can do better than this"; "insecurity" is crippling compared to "the sense that the present condition is unttnable")
I'll add one last one to the trio though: "fails often" or rather, being able to recognize that failure is a milestone in an endeavour, not a gravestone; failure is a better teacher than success. This concept is alive and well amongst entrepreneurs of all cultures, and is essential to not erode the forward drive offered by the "superiority complex."
The ability to digest one's own failure is also an essential trait to continue to foster curiosity and experimentation - an ability easily lost in our obsession of being right first time, embodied by our acceptance of "do or do not, there is no try."
-- "Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability." --Dijkstra
Seriously, it's been underfunded for decades, and that's going to f**k your chances of succeeding in the global race.
Yes, "they can never never take away your education" but unless you go to superlative efforts to get the best you can out of the system (what's left of it), then you're not getting much of an education to take away. Still, at least you're feeling insecure now, as that'll help?!
Foreign underachievers eventually return to their home countries. That inflates the results of those that stay.
There is a correlation between achievement in the US and the poverty levels in those coutries. Escaping dire conditions is a compelling reason.
Top performers are also the most likely to find opportunitie globally.
over a fourth of Nigerian-Americans have a graduate or professional degree, as compared with only about 11 percent of whites.
Yes and I bet that along with their degrees they all have a brother trying to move $ 1,000,000,000 billion USD [sic] out of Nigeria and who will give you 10% if you help them.
Well, those things and a self-loathing liberal dogma bent on supporting *anyone* but fellow Americans. It's kind of hard to be upwardly mobile when you have a certain hyper vocal segment of the society constantly shrieking about "privilege." Look no further than a recent idea floated in Michigan to give Detroit its own visas to import 50,000 foreign workers. American government doesn't want Americans. It wants nice passive, desperate foreign workers grateful for a pittance and always ready to kiss the king's ring. I say, fine. Let them have it. We'll see who laughs last.
The statement "For better and worse, it has that opportunity again today." is probably the most significant. We've turned insecurity itself into an industry. People use social media because they're alone or not around people often enough when they're not feeling good about themselves or their situations. It used to be that if you were alone, then you weren't doing something right - there wasn't a Facebook to fall back on, you pretty much needed to go out and get a life. There's a strong, positive association with feeling good and having a smart phone, and the manufacturers use it to sell new ones to people every year especially to people who, realistically, can't really even afford a smart phone or its monthly plan. It's jarring when iPhone users line up for days outside of a store just to get the newest model when they already have last year's. So, yeah, even though I think if there's an oppurtunity for us to improve we may be squelching it.
> This is basically racist bullshit packaged as folklorish anecdotal "science".
There are plenty of blacks that fit the 3 characteristics. They are a minority though since there is also a cultural pathology that discourages assimilation.
On the other hand, I have seen fat and happy n-th generation white suburbanites complain at the degree to which Asian parents drive their children.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Other studies have shown that impulse control is very important to be successful in any field. Especially when it comes to frustration tolerance. If you can stop yourself from procrastination, then you are more successful in the end. However, to much impulse control will make you a mentally sick person, which can result in any sort of lower fun in life for you and others.
or it could just be that certain "groups"have had the time and access to totaly subvert the systems to make sure that they do well at everybody else's cost. i notice the authors are very cateful to NOT name any group in the article. it just shows how moraly and ethicaly bankrupt many "americans" are,as one of the things not mentioned is the high percentage of supposedly more successful groups tend to have dual nationality or rights in another county apart from america. the easy way to say it quickly is that certain groups are more willing to "succeed" at others cost than are some other groups. usualy involving border line or straight criminal methods,but have gamed system to such an extent thst its either legalised or is never enforced.
She's a lawyer, that's her training. She's a crank. Even if she's "right," i.e., even if the hypothesis has some legitimate factual support, it's purely incidental. She needs to stick to her area of expertise.
I believe the Triple Package was at the core of the Nazi ideology.
More seriously, though, shouldn't we conclude that the Jews owe their success to their Germanness. The East-European Jews were culturally German as is the Ashkenazi Israel. The American Jewry is fast merging with the relaxed Anglo/Afro culture but the older generation remains -- German.
The qualities of success are delusions, paranoid, and a saturnine disposition!? What happened to good ideas and hard work?
...everyone knows white males are the problem!!!!
Seriously though, will we now see feminists targeting Indians and Iranians for being successful? Can't wait!
I kind of get the theory that those traits lead to higher than average levels of success in education, where single-mindedness and superiority lead kids to excel in exams. I'm not completely convinced that those same skills transfer all that well to the workplace though. I find the people who do best in the workplace are not strongly correlated with the highest achievers at school in careers where almost everyone can be considered a relative high achiever (STEM, law etc...). In fact anecdotally, I think traits like superiority and being a bad team player are pretty detrimental to a successful career in modern business.
The top-manager is an utterly evil, dangerous parasite and needs to be put down. The small guy still creates more worth than he consumes, if only marginally. Who do you think creates all that wealth that the "top-manager" gets to destroy?
Society can tolerate only so much destruction of wealth. After that, it begins to collapse.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
... In his first sentence, Jim Goad used a four-letter word for female genitalia to describe Amy Chu
One of the people that I admire is Mahatma Gandhi. One time he was heard saying the following:
"âoeFirst they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, and then you win."
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
Hey, if the vagina fits...
How is this person employed anywhere? Their logic is screwy: 1) find some data that you like 2) come up with some half-cooked half-cocked theory that "perfectly fits the data" and the agenda you are trying to push. 3) profit! (sell books, whatever). About 50 years ago it was all white men. When people tried to apply what this 'tiger mom' is doing, they were called 'racist' and 'insensitive'. Was it because they were white, or men? Only they can be racist? Everyone else can say whatever they like about other people and get a free pass? The 'tiger mom' sounds like a racist bitch.
The maturity of the article, combined with the vulgar name calling and his own admission that he did not read the book, makes me question anything he has to say. A quick search shows his penchant for beating people up and getting himself incarcerated, none of which particularly helps his case.
In contrast, Amy and Jed are both Yale professors, and if nothing else, their hypotheses are backed up by some semblance of data.
He also employs sheer hyperbole in interpreting the piece:
If he had read the piece, he'd have read the following:
So yeah, I don't think the word "salient" really applies here. He's nothing more than a dimwit troll, and his language, demeanor, and reading skills only highlight that.
The second sentence of your link says specifically that Jim Goad did not read the book. What can he possibly have to say about the book when he hasn't even read it (and mischaracterizes it in the next phrase)?
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Plus his own admission that he did not read her book on tiger mothers.
Jewish people in the US have not received anything close to the oppression that black people have
I can pick up your keyword even with my eyes closed:
Oppression
Now, sir, lemme ask you this:
Who hasn't been oppressed before ?
The one difference between the Jews and the so-called "black people" is that the Jews do not dwell on how oppressed they were, in the hand of the others.
You know, if the Jews want to play this game, they could !
There was a ship load of Jewish refugees from Europe that arrived at an American port. That was during Hitler's extermination campaign against the Jews were in full force. That ship was turned back.
When the ship finally reached Europe, all the Jewish passengers ended up in the ovens.
How many times the Jews play that "oppression song" ? How many times the Jews had to remind the world that "you owe us and you must pay back what you owe us" ?
No doubt. There are some Jews (mostly the losers) who have a liking to that kind of tune, but the vast majority of the Jews - what happened, happened, and they took that as a valuable lessen to remind themselves that they will never let themselves to be in that kind of situation again.
On the other hand ... how long has slavery been ended in America ? Please tell us, how long,. Sir ?
I am not denying that many blacks are impoverished and disenfranchised. But before they continue their "I am dying because you ain't coming to help me" moaning, why don't they look at the "boat people" - the Vietnamese who arrived in the 1970's to the 1990's ?
Those Vietnamese arrived with practically _nothing_, and initially they were in a much dire strait than those blacks.
10, 20, 30, 40 years have passed, those Vietnamese climbed up the social ladder, while the blacks still remained at the bottom.
Why don't you ask yourself "Why ?" ?
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
You told us that you are from a Jewish family and then you start sprouting off the same old "blacks are being oppressed" tune.
Oh, come on !
You also stated the following:
So how do you account for the fact that the Vietnamese are not a particularly successful immigrant group?
How often have you gone to the Vietnamese community, Sir ?
When you said what you said above, immediately I know that you are full of shit !
The Vietnamese arrived at America with practically nothing. They were almost at the same situation as me when I arrived.
And yet, throughout the years (and yes, I do keep an eye on the Vietnamese) they climbed up the social ladder, while ... your favorite group, the Black People, are still, for one reason or another, still stuck at the bottom.
Now, please give us a satisfactory explanation on why the Vietnamese can go up while that special group of people can't (or don't want to) ?
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
is finding that the racists were right after all, right?
The problem is that the ethnics and females are allowed to act as collectives whereas the white males are compelled to act as individuals absolute.
Solution: exterminate the liberals. It will be the only genocide apart from wiping out the Canaanites that posterity would benefit.
It will be hard to find a more unfortunate sentence than that on /. today
I know that I am full of shit, but even with full of shit that I am, I still am interested in why you think that that sentence that i wrote turned out to be a very unfortunate sentence on today's edition of slashdot ?
What I am interested in is ... where you do think I am wrong ?
Are you saying that the Chinese are far superior to the Jews ?
I am a Chinese, and as a Chinese I compare what my culture brought, and what I learned from the Jewish culture (I learned them from many Jewish friends, many of them are very well verse in Jewish tradition / culture / history), and the result was a devastating defeat for the Chinese.
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
Repeal the Fourteenth Amendment via Article V US Constitution using the Convention of the States to propose Amendments.
They have been through a hell of a lot, just want to point out that there is no evidence or record of the Exodus. In a period that kept meticulous records, a mass escape of prisoners would have been noted.
I wonder, if the contemporary state of affairs is incidental or a result of deliberate actions by those, who always considered the United States "too strong" (for their comfort) and a threat... Yes, I am talking about anti-Americans both foreign and domestic.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
I just raised my kids to work hard, have manners, and respect others.
Seems to work pretty damn well. All their lives we have been complimented on how polite and well behaved they are. As young adults, they are doing well in life.
Disclaimer- We were very poor for most of their young lives. We are comfortable middle class now. They have never been hungry like I grew up. Their needs were met (food, shelter, clothing), but they seldom had things they wanted until the oldest was about 16.
"Spotting the Losers: Seven Signs of Non-Competitive States" by Ralph Peters.
Two law school professors wrote an opinion piece.They even have anecdotes!
I'm really tired of hearing about these narcissistic masturbatory fantasies that this bitch advocates. First you try to say that Chinese tiger moms are superior. Well guess what, Ms Chua, That's the mentality that produced the culture of your ancestral homeland, an overpopulated pile of shit, where the ultra rich shit on the poor and the poor shit on each other, serve each other poisoned milk, and rat meat cooked in arsenic laced recycled ditch oil, and let two year old babies die in the street because they couldn't be bothered to pick up the phone. Wow, what a superior culture, I'm so envious. You married an American, who was likely a much higher caliber guy than you could have even dreamed of getting had you married a Chinese man, no doubt making you the envy of all your relatives and friends. But now you want to play both sides of the fence and tell Americans that it's your superior cultural heritage that will make you and your children great successes in life. Seriously? Oh, I see now... He's not just a regular American, he's _Jewish_ American, so he is superior too. Sorry honey, you're just an overachieving narcissist. Your brand of child rearing is just what comes naturally to narcissist, and your attempts to dress it up are pathetic. Once your kids realize what an unempathetic selfish bitch you are, and they realize that your love for them is directly proportional to the amount of glory that they bring you, while other kids' parents just loved them as they were, then they'll just abandon you when you're old, as they should.
The real issue with immigrants has little to do with culture, immigrants by their very nature have self-selected to be more ambitious. If good enough is good enough then you stay in your home country, immigrating to another country is a great deal of work. I wouldn't look at the culture but rather of the qualities of the individuals themselves. Of course people come to the U.S. for all kinds of reasons, so the nature of how they came matters. Where culture does matter is in expectations. When you look for something, once you find it you tend to stop looking. At the end of the day your culture doesn’t accept good enough, then you won’t either. Of course high expectations and cultural pressure has a personal cost also and can lead to unethical behavior.
... of course...
Now, where was that other article I saw today about DETROIT... (LOL)
Ironically, each element of the Triple Package violates a core tenet of contemporary American thinking.
WTF? Each one EXEMPLIFIES an American attitude.
1) "Superiority" American Exceptionalism is a very real and prominent philosophy, borne of knowing we've hit on one of the better governing models to date, and personally take care of each other in away few other cultures do (see: personal charitable contribution rates). In fact people from other cultures complain about this very aspect of Americans all the time.
2) "Insecurity" - Americans have long held the belief there's no job done that couldn't be done better. See: Edward Demming and his statistical ratcheting up of quality.
3) "Impulse Control" - This is just Individualism by another name, Americans have always held personal responsibility in high regard which means doing the right thing instead of the easy thing.... see: Libertarianism.
All together the immigrants that do well are simply following the lesson of other successful Americans, a philosophy which is very much still alive in many people and not just some subcategories of immigrant workers.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Also this stupid idea that "success" is some kind of binary thing where you either work really hard all the time and make a lot of money, and thus are successful, or you are a failure, not worth mention. If you don't have the right kind of job in the right field that pays the right amount of money and has the right kind of prestige then you just suck, your life sucks, and you are useless.
I think that is an exceedingly unhealthy and narrow minded outlook. This, really overtly material attitude at its core where success is equated to jobs that pay a lot. I think it is much healthier to worry about what makes you happy. Stop comparing your life to others, stop worrying about how much you make so long as what you make is enough to let you have a good life. Work to live, don't live to work.
Intelligence Quotient. Most reliable.
Mean intelligence of ethnic groups ( 15).
Jews: 115
Han Chinese: 109
General Population: 100
African Americans 85.
Source: Herrnstein and Murray. The Bell Curve
jews did WTC
I came here to post essentially the same thing.
It seems to me that what America lacks now is impulse control. By that I mean the obesity epidemic, the drugs epidemic, and most particularly the debt epidemic (consumers and government both). What happens when you've got superiority, insecurity but no impulse control? The fall of the Roman Empire?
(I'm almost positive you're either of white or Asian descent from your posts. If that's incorrect, please correct me)
- How many times have you been roughed up and searched by the police for the crime of walking down the street?
- How often have you been tailed by security and police when you had just gone into a store to buy something?
- If you applied for a mortgage, did the bank try to push you towards a subprime mortgage broker instead?
- How often have you been turned down for jobs because you weren't "a good cultural fit for our organization"? How often have you been passed over for promotion while being the most experienced and highest performing employee?
- How often have you been pulled over while driving less than 5 mph over the speed limit (or when committing no traffic offense at all)?
- When you get pulled over, how often are you ordered out of your vehicle?
- If you go to visit the neighborhood where you grew up, do you and/or your friends use different pronunciations and grammar than you do at work?
- How many of your elementary school friends have been murdered? How many have been shot by the police?
- How often have you ever spent more than an hour waiting in line to vote?
- Have you ever been arrested trying to break into your own house?
My guess is that you have no clue what it's like to be black in America. I'm white, so I'm no expert on it, but both my black friends (who are educated and employed) and numerous academic studies and government statistics say that all of those things that I mentioned are part of being a black person in America right now. Not 40 years ago, not 50 years ago, right now.
I am officially gone from
Hail, Eris!
"A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head."
I hope they don't get paid for work like this! There are 'experts' claiming aliens built the pyramids. I don't believe them either.
Must not get sucked into comments. Must stop wasting time on Slashdot. OK, this comment does not count, and maybe I could read just one more story---it may expand my mind in unexpected ways, after all. But I will get to work! I will close this tab and not post this comment. Damn. Hey, I'm kind of hungry. Anyone up for going out to lunch?
I refuse to consider half-digested opinions disguised as objectivity
Now throw that definition away and go sit in the corner. Success is not the accumulation of wealth. That is not your beautiful house, how did you get there?
Until we, as a society, are willing to rebel against the establishment's naive definition of success, we will continue to see widespread harm including lack of sleep, obesity, etc.
Let's stop playing King of the Hill and start building a better society predicated on pursuit of happiness not of colonial precious metals and incrementing fictive registers belonging to banking computers.
Thanks.
In general, conservatives want life to be hard in order to keep the USA productive and competitive. Progressives, on the other hand believe that wealth and the benefits of society should be spread in order to make life easier.
The conservative argument is in some ways contradictory: work hard so you can buy more stuff, but if you work hard and are always on edge (to be motivated), then merely buying stuff won't make you feel comfortable because then you wouldn't be on edge. It's almost like you have to trick yourself into believing "more stuff" makes you happier, when it facts it's not supposed to; it's just a carrot dangling in front of a fast-spinning treadmill. Maybe somebody else can figure out how it's supposed to work.
Table-ized A.I.
The second sentence of your link says specifically that Jim Goad did not read the book. What can he possibly have to say about the book when he hasn't even read it (and mischaracterizes it in the next phrase)?
To be accurate, Goad's critique of the book is probably as useful as most people's critique of the Bible is.
It is the most popular book in the world but that doesn't mean people actually read it before they criticize believers (who may or may not have read the damn thing either).
in other words, useless critique of unread books is a fairly common behavior in society.
"their culture is structured in such a way that death of one member is nothing - even a massacre of millions to the Jews is nothing - as long as their culture gets to live on."
That is by far the most bizarre thing I've ever read on Slashdot. A) you make "them" sound 100% like the Borg B) if your theory was correct it would be applicable to any religious group not just Jews. And finally C) go ahead and next time you talk to a Jew ask them if the massacre of millions is considered "nothing" as long as some structure/Jewish traditions live on and I think you'll find a ever so slightly different take on how resistant Jews are to genocide.
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
... yes, "We're all the same", "Diversity is our strength", LOL.
Whose strength? White people's strength? No - non-white PARASITES' strength, that's all 'diversity' is... DIE-versity, more like.
Are you sick of this? Are you sick of watching your once safe, prosperous WHITE country being turned into a tower of Babel, being turned into a third world shithole like Brazil? Are you sick of fellow whites being traitors who would ruin your life and get you sacked from your job in a heartbeat, for merely SAYING things that aren't 'Left of Lenin'?
This is one of the traits that I have noticed in highly successful people. Nearly everyone I know who is successful, including myself, is constantly pushing themselves to be better because they believe that they are not good enough. I spent my entire childhood around generally older, higher IQ people (mostly at 2600 meetings, the early Defcons, etc). Because of that, I always saw myself as slightly below average. My perception of average was skewed. (For reference purposes, I never graduated college, but I currently run IT operations for a consulting practice that did over $60 million in revenue last year.)
I am currently 35, and it was not until two years ago that I came to accept and be comfortable with the fact that I outperform most of my peers. I had to check myself and my expectations of others because I expected others to be at my level. In the work place this was creating conflicts. I am fortunate because I get to do IT for a living and I really enjoy what I do. When people enjoy what we do, we tend to be willing to put in "extra effort" because it comes naturally. I would get frustrated when I would have to share responsibility with others, or "even worse", rely on others to perform tasks for me (like configuring servers for example). I have dealt with this by pivoting mentally and adopting a mentoring mentality, even with people at my own level. My challenge is to not come across as condescending and be genuinely interested in helping them.
On a related subject, one of the core issues with "entitlement programs" like welfare, HUD, Section8 housing, EBT/SNAP and the like is that too many of the recipients feel like they are entitled to those benefits. They have an inflated sense of self worth, because they have never had to work to provide the basics for themselves. They feel like they are doing what they need to be doing in society, and are therefore deserving of the handouts. This is compounded by the challenges of low wages. By that I mean, most of the jobs that young welfare recipients are qualified for do not pay them enough to give them a better quality of life than they already have. They work harder (or even work in the first place), but bring home less. Meanwhile, their peers laugh at them for "doing the right thing" because "that is for suckers".
Why do some races have more success?
Well there are these 3 factors that make certain races have more success, and some races have it and are successful and some races that don't and are not.
OK so why do these races have these successful traits? Is it genetic?
No it turns out it probably isn't
Ok so we have established that successful people have traits which make them successful. I don't see how that could have been false.
So unless someone knows a way to make all the unsuccessful races feel the right kind of superiority, inadequacy, and impulse control, then even if this is true, I don;t see how this is even slightly useful
This is like saying the reason that some kids do better in math is because they have 3 traits. The are all good at algebra, geometry and trigonometry. And none of the kids who were bad at any of these were good at math, so it proves that being good in these areas causes you to be good in math.
And yet they were still crushed by the United States. So much for the asian tigers.
What defines success? If we're just talking about money, well, that's not my definition.
Three things account for my success: first, a tight pussy; second, loose shoes; and third, a warm place to shit.
"Immigrants from many West Indian and African countries, such as Jamaica, Ghana, and Haiti, are climbing Americaâ(TM)s higher education ladder, but perhaps the most prominent are Nigerians. Nigerians make up less than 1 percent of the black population in the United States, yet in 2013 nearly one-quarter of the black students at Harvard Business School were of Nigerian ancestry; over a fourth of Nigerian-Americans have a graduate or professional degree, as compared with only about 11 percent of whites."
This is a solid example of networking and nepotism, not of Nigerian culture being "superior".
To think yourself exceptional yet being insecure or masking deep-seated insecurity is a combination behind narcissistic personality, which is quite the common disorder in American culture. The third feature, impulse control, counters the mental illness tendency of the first two traits. Its lack is the tale of individuals that founder on the reefs of deception and megalomania, many a public figure, every laughable fall from grace that makes the evening news.
The condition is a transition for an out-group to become an in-group and to have to unlearn the exceptionalism, seem between generations of every ethnic minority that has ever arrived on our shores.
The formula could become lethal for Mankind as he becomes powerful enough to permanently damage the environment when the urge to self-centered greed is not tempered by the damage it does. So being hard-bitten and aggressive can rapidly become lethal. This may be the fate of many technical civilizations that have appeared in the Universe. If we find evidence of intelligent life in the Universe, it may be fossils and ruins of races that evolutionary biology had given competitive tools, but not enough wisdom to temper the lust for power, something religion in our species does not temper. In that since religion is a product of evolutionary biology of this particular omnivour, not a check on it.
Yes, Amy and Jed are both Yale professors. But it has been suggested that Amy got her job through nepotism. (Her husband was assistant dean at the time of her hire.) She did not have a strong research record before her hire, nor has she developed one since. Actually, she admits in her book that she doesn't have the intellectual curiosity her peers have.
anymore! Now that I know their poverty is caused by deep-seated personal flaws, and not a deeply flawed and racist system, I can feel secure in my superiority and "earned" success. Hooray!
"a 2005 study of over 20,000 adolescents found that third-generation Asian-American students performed no better academically than white students."
Asians typically have more distrust of white-run countries, as they know they are corrupted by bankers that like to limit the abilities of people. That's why the above is true. Asian people are not inherently better at Math, quite the opposite. Where I live, a Vietnamese girl once said to me "All Asians are good at Math, right?" and I cringed. Isaac Newton wasn't Asian, he also wasn't that good at "Math" because the Math yea learned when he was young was severely limited compared to the Math he himself developed. Many of the worlds top Nobel laureates were blond, or dirty blond. Very few Asians are. This Vietnamese girl might think she's smarter than Newton because she could parrot off equations she didn't develop herself but she's not better. She's just too naive and ignorant to know what being good at something is really about.