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Ask Slashdot: What Does Edward Snowden Deserve?

Nerval's Lobster writes "U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder made government whistleblower Edward Snowden a very peculiar offer last week: plead guilty, and the U.S. government would consider how to handle his criminal case. That seems an inverted way of doing things—in the United States, the discussions (if not the trial) usually come before the guilty plea—but Holder's statement hints yet again at the conundrum facing the government when it comes to Snowden, a former subcontractor for the National Security Agency (NSA) who leaked secrets about that group's intelligence operations to a number of newspapers, most notably The Guardian. It's unlikely that the U.S. government would ever consider giving full clemency to Snowden, but now it seems that various officials are willing to offer something other than locking him in a deep, dark cell and throwing away the key. If Snowden ever risked coming back to the United States (or if he was forced to return, thanks to the Russians kicking him out and no other country willing to give him asylum), and you were Holder and Obama, what sort of deal would you try to strike with everybody's favorite secrets-leaker?"

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  1. It might be an unpopular opinion... by The123king · · Score: 5, Interesting

    but a pardon for his crimes, a pack of beers and a a badge that says "I stated the obvious"

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    1. Re:It might be an unpopular opinion... by RailGunner · · Score: 5, Informative

      More popular then you think. Mr. Snowden is a whistleblower who pointed out that the NSA was breaking the law.

      Full pardon.

    2. Re: It might be an unpopular opinion... by icebike · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Full Pardon, and Presidential Medal of Freedom.

      Anything less is a travesty.

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    3. Re:It might be an unpopular opinion... by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If they're offering deals then I think they're worried about what else he knows.

      Maybe he's saving the good stuff 'til last.

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    4. Re:It might be an unpopular opinion... by GameMaster · · Score: 5, Funny

      Honestly, I voted for Obama (and would vote for him again simply because of how much crazier the GOP is) but I think Snowden should get Obama's Peace Prize.

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    5. Re:It might be an unpopular opinion... by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Interesting

      He deserves a ticker tape parade and to be listed among the great patriots who sacrificed personal safety and comfort in the name of liberty.

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    6. Re:It might be an unpopular opinion... by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 5, Funny

      It all depends if you consider him a whistleblower or not. Whistleblowers are protected.

    7. Re:It might be an unpopular opinion... by amorsen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Did you expect the NSA to spy on Siemens so that American companies could beat their sealed offers? Is that really a valid use of government power?

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    8. Re:It might be an unpopular opinion... by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not a 'criminal', simply a 'traitor' - a traitor can have good motives (good enough for him), but we-all used to shoot a lot of 'em.

      Question for the "Snowden is a traitor" camp:

      Upon what evidence do you make the claim that Edward Snowden either gave and and comfort to enemies of the American People, or declared war on the same?

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    9. Re:It might be an unpopular opinion... by khelms · · Score: 5, Informative

      I believe torture is against international laws that we have agreed to follow, but I haven't seen anyone charged with crimes for black prisons, extraordinary renditions, and torture.

    10. Re: It might be an unpopular opinion... by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Informative

      Then the COURTS will look at EVIDENCE and decide if he qualifies for Whistleblower status.

      Snowden and others have already talked about this at length.
      The law does not allow for him (a contractor) to be a whistleblower.
      If Snowden goes before a court, he'll be prosecuted under the Espionage Act,
      most of the evidence against him will be classified, and he'll be convicted in a fairly open and shut case.

      And the COURTS will tell the Executive to pound sand.

      That's a wonderful scenario, but extremely unlikely.
      The courts will follow the law, which leaves no room for Snowden to be found innocent.

      Right now Snowden is not "wanted" for any listed CRIMES.

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-charges-snowden-with-espionage/2013/06/21/507497d8-dab1-11e2-a016-92547bf094cc_story.html
      06/21/2013

      Snowden was charged with theft, "unauthorized communication of national defense information" and "willful communication of classified communications intelligence information to an unauthorized person," according to the complaint. The last two charges were brought under the 1917 Espionage Act.

      Your post needs less CAPS and more facts.

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    11. Re:It might be an unpopular opinion... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 5, Informative

      The government is breaking the law, and continues to act illegally.
      A civilian breaks the law (oh how convenient) to expose the illegal activities.
      Why is the civilian prosecuted and the original offender let off scott free??
      Why again are we also not trying and sentencing the government officials who broke the law in the first place??

      You seem to be misunderstanding "Civil Disobedience". Here is a refresher course: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R...

  2. At the very least... by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Presidential Medal of Freedom.

    Shoot, he deserves it 100x more than the FEMA directory to whom W. awarded it in response to Hurricane Katrina.

  3. What kind of idiot by hsmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Would agree to terms before they even tell you what the terms are?

    And lets be fair, it isn't like the Obama Admin could be trusted to live up to the terms of the agreement anyway.

    1. Re:What kind of idiot by Scutter · · Score: 5, Funny

      "But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it – away from the fog of the controversy."
        - Nancy Pelosi

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    2. Re:What kind of idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm no fan of Nancy Pelosi but I believe she was referring to the fact that the House and Senate much each pass their versions of a bill before reconciliation and a final vote. If one body of congress has passed a bill and the other has not, it is true that you won't know what may be in the final bill. She's a life long politician and should've known better than to say something like that. I'm sure to her, the difference between bills and laws is evident but she should've known the general population wouldn't construe it that way.

  4. Even if the spooks don't kill him by jobsagoodun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Some nut-job will.

  5. Assassination by Dan+East · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The alternative could be assassination, and I don't mean by the USA. There are many groups active in Russia who would kill Snowden simply to make the USA look bad (if he dies, regardless of the circumstances, most people will assume he was killed by the US). Returning to the US would alleviate living under that kind of fear (assuming he recognizes it).

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  6. Full Pardon. by dcollins · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Full Pardon. Presidential Medal of Freedom. Full stop.

    (a) It's time to highlight the oft-neglected Presidential power of pardon and what it's meant to be used for. (b) The Obama White House contact webpage still claims that "President Obama is committed to creating the most open and accessible administration in American history." It's time put up or shut up on that BS.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact

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    1. Re:Full Pardon. by SirGarlon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "President Obama is committed to creating the most open and accessible administration in American history."

      Maybe that's just an extraordinarily low bar.

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  7. Nobel Peace Prize by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe Obama can give him his, since he's not using it.

  8. No deal at all by GlobalEcho · · Score: 5, Funny

    This guy cost the government untold fortunes -- not only in dollars but in goodwill. He poisoned relationships with the international community, undermined the confidence of the citizenry in our institutions and ignored the democratic process. He should be in jail, no question.

    Oh, whoops! I thought you were asking about Dick Cheney!

  9. Lots of things by ravenswood1000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    He deserves a full pardon, nobel prize, ignobal prize, several million dollars, some firm handshakes and "atta boys" and the job as CEO at Microsoft.

    1. Re:Lots of things by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 5, Funny

      and the job as CEO at Microsoft

      You evil evil bastard. Have you no compassion in your soul?

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  10. A fucking medal. by therealkevinkretz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    that's what.

  11. Let us not forget... by jmd · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The other whistleblowers. Manning, Assange, Jeremy Hammond..etc etc.

    Whether or not you like their methods these people are effectively doing the same thing. Uncovering and making known actions of the US (and other gov'ts) that are in direct conflict with humanity and the exisiting legal framework.

  12. Maybe you're asking the wrong question by i_want_you_to_throw_ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's always the same: "What does Edward Snowden deserve?". How about "what should we do about NSA's over reach?". Lost in this discussion seems to be any kind of seriousness about reigning in NSA. At least in the 70s when the CIA was caught engineering coups they had to have congressional oversight placed upon them.

  13. He Deserves His Rights by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He deserves his right to speak freely without fear of government retribution.

    He deserves his right to a fair and speedy trial, by a jury of his peers.

    He deserves his right to face his accusers, the accusations they make, and the evidence being presented against him.

    He deserves his right (and duty) to out traitors to the American People, so they may be tried for their crimes as well.

    Unfortunately, the government authorized by the Constitution doesn't seem to agree with anything the aforementioned document says, so neither Snowden, nor the traitors, nor any of the rest of us will be getting what he/they/we deserve.

    So it goes, as Vonnegut would say.

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  14. The Presidency by camperdave · · Score: 5, Funny

    Make him the President, then he can see how much it costs to put up with people of his ilk. On the flip side, we'll find out the truth about the Kennedy assassination, Roswell, and Area 51.

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  15. Re:It might be an unpopular and stupid opinion... by DickBreath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ok. Then what about prosecuting people who committed crimes of violating the constitution. All our other laws are derived from the authority of the constitution. If you do something unconstitutional, then it should not be crime to have someone else blow the whistle on you.

    The excuse "but I was just following orders" has already been tried.

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  16. Re:What Everyone is entitled to by jmd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The trail has already happened. The US government is guilty.

  17. Re:at this point by hypergreatthing · · Score: 5, Insightful

    let me get to the point.
    Crimes and illegal actions should never be hidden under the guise of national security and security clearance. They should be brought to light by whatever means necessary and the people who are committing those transgressions should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
    Anything other than that is a fraud.

  18. Revealing the bad isn't doing it, it's curing it. by cervesaebraciator · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But, when you run off to our biggest political rivals [...]

    Mitt? Is that you?

    and tell the world the details of how we spy [...]

    If we're to have an open and democratic system, the American people must be told when their laws are being violated by their supposed servants. In an open system, you cannot tell the people without telling the world.

    And, for what purpose did it serve? It did nothing to help the American people.

    Nothing?

    [...] he revealed some shady intelligence gathering programs the US was running against its own people [...]

    That's not nothing.

  19. Re:It might be an unpopular and stupid opinion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Capricious application of the law is a prime signifier of a corrupt system.

  20. Re:It might be an unpopular and stupid opinion... by HeckRuler · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There's a group of congressmen out for James Clapper's blood. He lied to congress. Under oath. That's perjury. They're all republican too. Which means I'm a little disappointed in the democrats.