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Leonard Nimoy: Smoking Is Illogical

An anonymous reader writes "My boyhood hero, actor Leonard Nimoy, has developed lung disease. To those still smoking and in the grips of marketing induced denial, he says 'quit now.' Small acts of goodness make the universe a better place."

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  1. Illogical by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're 82, Leonard. Holding yourself up as an example of the ravages of smoking after reaching the age of 82 is illogical. Refusing to accept death at 82 is illogical. Go with grace.

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    1. Re:Illogical by Mitreya · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're 82, Leonard. ... Refusing to accept death at 82 is illogical. Go with grace.

      Let's see if you feel the same way if and when you reach the age of 82.

    2. Re:Illogical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Refusing to accept that man wasn't meant to fly is illogical. Stay on the ground. How can the raging technophiles on Slashdot suddenly be such conservative anti-science luddites when it comes to lifespan? Yeah, all of a sudden you're all about limits. Why is that?

      Shouldn't the entire species also go with grace when it reaches its limits? You know, as opposed to the grand visions of the species colonizing the universe and being forever an ape that lasts a few decades before completely falling apart?

      No, no, that's different. Space is the Holy Manifest Destiny of the species, but only if we keep aging and dying like we did a thousand years ago. No technology must be developed to extend youth.

      Uncomfortable yet? Or only your pithy little statements are the truth??

    3. Re:Illogical by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Informative

      You're 82, Leonard. Holding yourself up as an example of the ravages of smoking after reaching the age of 82 is illogical. Refusing to accept death at 82 is illogical. Go with grace.

      His problem is that 'grace' isn't really one of the features of COPD. First the coughing starts. Then you begin to experience difficulty breathing and shortness of breath. These become more severe until you can't maintain adequate O2 saturation without supplemental oxygen. Then they become more severe until you can't maintain adequate O2 saturation with supplemental oxygen. Then you die. Available treatments are largely aimed at easing the symptoms, and rarely effective in halting the disease's progression.

      It's hardly the worst (there's a lot of competition); but a long, futile, struggle to breath isn't a pretty exit. If he's really lucky, something else will kill him fast and first.

    4. Re:Illogical by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

      I want to die peacefully in my sleep - like my grandfather.

      Not screaming in terror, like the passengers in his car.

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  2. Re:Seriously - GTFO by cold+fjord · · Score: 4, Funny

    Exactly! Why would Slashdot ever carry a story about Leonard Nimoy? Wasn't he in some westerns, like Gunsmoke and The Virginian? Anything else that we should know about? Did he ever travel? Any famous treks to relate that nerds would care about?

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  3. Re:Seriously - GTFO by cold+fjord · · Score: 4, Informative

    Better link for The Virginian. The doctor with him looks familiar too, good old DeForest Kelly, another old hand in the Westerns.

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  4. Re:Seriously - GTFO by icebike · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think the well is drying up, because people are sick of beta or the arguments about beta, nobody is submitting any real stories.
    So they are left with these useless stories.

    The social oriented market segment that Dice is seemingly courting seems to be the only segment left.
    All the tech and nerd types have left the building.

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  5. Re:82 years old by EvilSS · · Score: 5, Funny

    Smoking has pluses and minuses.

    Such as???

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  6. Re:Seriously - GTFO by 1s44c · · Score: 5, Informative

    Nimoy didn't get lung cancer, he got COPD.

    Smoking does heavily increase your chance of getting lung cancer but it's not the sole cause of it. Smoking does make you far more likely to suffer from one or more of a very large array of nasty illnesses during your lifetime. It also reduces your life span significantly.

    Quit smoking if you care at all about the risks of illness and disability that smoking causes. Or accept that you are a nicotine junkie and that you are lying to yourself about your habit because you can't face withdrawal.

  7. Re:82 years old by Kohath · · Score: 5, Interesting

    People have been smoking tobacco for about 1000 years now. Why do you think they started doing that? How far up your own ass would you have to be to deny even the possibility of a pleasant neurochemical effect?

    Here's a quote an article:

    This chemical enters the blood and after about seven seconds, it enters the brain, affecting exactly the same dopamine receptors, giving the brain the message that a rewarding activity has just been performed. Smokers report a feeling of calmness and mild euphoria when they have a puff of a cigarette.

  8. Re: two spock quotes come to mind by master5o1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    He is both Spock and not Spock at the same time?

    What is this, some sort of Schrödinger's Cat joke?

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  9. Re:What do you expect? by anubi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not only will there be fewer stupid comments when these guru types leave... there will also be fewer of the gems these guys also leave. If I wanted social chitchat - I would go to facebook. Try asking a technical question over there.

    It will be a lot easier to destroy Slashdot than it was to build it. I just really hate to see it go. I just lost my other favorite site, TheOilDrum, not too long ago. Sure, there are other similar sites, but they are not the same. It was like having my favorite watering hole burn down.

    There is only one Slashdotter I know personally, the rest of you I only know by your presence here, yet in a way I feel I am among peers and friends here. You have been very generous to help me when I had problems, as well as give me sanity checks when I go overboard. I do not want to see this go away.

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  10. Re:Beta is illogical by deviated_prevert · · Score: 5, Interesting

    " But as TFA shows the sad thing is you WILL get COPD, doesn't matter how long ago you quit as you WILL get it if something else don't get you first. So if you are quitting do it because you don't want to be smelling like smoke or be out of breath, because if you have smoked more than a couple of years you might as well accept COPD is in your future regardless."

    Negative thinking is a large part of what causes the addiction to be so difficult to break. Beat me it feels good syndrome. IT IS NOT true that you are doomed even if you quit. Also the only attitude to take is that you will be tempted for the rest of your life to smoke. The difference is that you need to make a habit out of not smoking. Don't get all sweated up there is no doubt that in the first week after quitting it will be difficult, such is the nature of the drug. Another misconception about tobacco is the fact that it calms your nerves. THE BULLSHIT fact is that it is essentially a speed ball concoction, at first the carbon monoxide brings you down as does the reduction of 02 in your blood stream. Yes it calms your nerves and the nicotine acts initially as a sedative as well, but the fact is that then after about 4 minutes it actually increases your heart rate and in reality nicotine is a form of speed as well. Most people are not aware of these facts and think that they are actually settling their nerves by havin' a butt. BUT IT IS A LIE, and you fool yourself into believing the soothing tones of the Marlboro Man lighting up on horseback.

    Remember dada, dada dada, --dada, dada dada. As Yule Brynner rides off into the sunset. The tobacco companies up in Canada actually own part of one of the largest drug store chains, they did not suffer, but their victims do every day.

    DON'T GIVE UP THE FIGHT and roll over and play dead, it can be beaten. Besides the more you try to quit the more you will learn how not to smoke and also reduce the insult to your body. But don't be negative to others about quitting it is just plain wrong and I am sure Mr. Spock and even the Marlboro man would agree.

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  11. Re:82 years old by arkhan_jg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The high goes away pretty quickly as your brain adapts, though nicotine remains a mild stimulant. After that, you mainly just get the relief of feeding the addiction - you go into withdrawal pretty quickly once you're addicted. In addition, it's psychologically addictive as you get used to the relief, and associate it with the physical act of smoking. Thus quitting is very hard, even with nicotine replacement therapy, and why most who try to quit fail, repeatedly. Nicotine is supposedly as hard to quit as heroin.

    Personally, I've switched to vaping from e-cigs. The same stress relief my brain associates with the physical act of smoking, a much lower dose of nicotine* (similar to caffeine in its effects) without all the tar, benzene and the many other carcinogens from combustion. Better to quit outright of course, but this is a workable half-way house for now, and much cheaper to boot.

    * I've scaled down the amount of nicotine in the liquid to much lower than I started with.

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  12. Re:Beta is illogical by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Informative

    Looks like some moderators are participating in the protests by modding on topic comments "offtopic".

    As to quitting smoking, it depends on your genes and when you quit. My mother and her husband quit 30 years ago when he developed emphysema, he died from pretty much all his organs shutting down last year, Mom's only now starting to get COPD at age 85, but all but three of her twelve siblings are alive and in their nineties.

    Generally, though, they say if you quit before you're 40, by the time you're 50 your lungs will be as healthy as a 50 year old who never smoked. And the more you smoke, the more damage there is to the lungs.

    If I get COPD it will probably be from reefer, all smoke is bad for your lungs. But at least pot doesn't cause cancer.