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Ohio Attempting To Stop Tesla From Selling Cars, Again

cartechboy writes "Man the automotive dealer associations don't like Tesla. Remember that time the Ohio dealers attempted to block Tesla from selling its electric cars in in the Buckeye State. Now, it's happening again. The car dealers are once again pushing legislation that would keep Tesla from selling cars in Ohio. Senate Bill 260 would prohibit the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles from issuing car-dealer licenses to auto manufacturers. Since Tesla owns and operates its own network of 'dealerships' (aka galleries), this would make it so the automaker couldn't acquire a car-dealer license. Section 11 of the bill lists 'a manufacturer... applying for license to sell or lease new motor vehicles at retail' as one of the types of organization ineligible for a dealership license. On top of all this, the language isn't on the Senate floor as a standalone bill. No, it's inserted as an amendment to Senate Bill 137 which is an unrelated bill requiring Ohio drivers to move to the left while passing roadside maintenance vehicles. Is this yet another slimy tactic to try and undercut the new kid on the block?"

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  1. Pretty Much. by SlashdotWanker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes.

    1. Re:Pretty Much. by Guppy06 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ohio has a Republican governor and Republican supermajorities in both chambers of its state legislature. The three sponsors of this are all Republicans.

    2. Re:Pretty Much. by noobermin · · Score: 4, Informative

      Republican governor, Republican general assembly, not to mention a Republican introduced this amendment.

      Don't let facts get in your way.

      Now, since I happen to be a voter here, I'll make sure no bozos like these get elected in my district come November.

    3. Re:Pretty Much. by Kenja · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Which is even more baffling, I usually associate free market to republicans. Dems are usually supporters of bigger government.

      That's what Republicans claim, but there is very little recent evidence of this.

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    4. Re:Pretty Much. by nehril · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The history of why the car dealership system exists as it does is actually quite interesting. Back in the day, car dealerships were the good guy underdogs, and car manufacturers were pretty much the devil. The "Planet Money" podcast has a great episode on this:

      http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/02/12/171814201/episode-435-why-buying-a-car-is-so-awful

      Basically explains why buying a car in general sucks (consistently ranked as one of the worst consumer experiences), and why there isn't a "new car supermaket" where you can browse & buy cars from multiple manufacturers.

    5. Re:Pretty Much. by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Which is even more baffling, I usually associate free market to republicans. Dems are usually supporters of bigger government.

      The closer you get to the local level, the less each party matches their stereotype. When you get to small towns, you'll have democrats sounding very conservative, if that's the kind of people who live in the town (or vice-versa). Issues that are important at a national level just don't matter at a city level.

      What does the town of Riverbank, CA care about the US military budget? But they might have a strong opinion on whether their local car dealership goes out of business.

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    6. Re:Pretty Much. by jbmartin6 · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can always tell a liar by comparing the actions to the words. Words aside, Republicans have always been the party of big centralized government.

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    7. Re:Pretty Much. by Copid · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's pretty straightforward for two reasons:

      1) Parties bill themselves as X all the time without really being all about X. It often even gets built into the conventional wisdom, even though it's bullshit. Good examples are Republicans being about fiscal responsibility and Democrats being all about tolerating the viewpoints of others.
      2) These types of laws are bought by the dealerships. The independant dealerships are owned by local wealthy entrepeneurs. Local wealthy entrepeneurs are usually the biggest political donors, and they swing Republican, so when they want to place a phone call to their pet legislators, they're calling the Republican whose seat their advertising helped to win.

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    8. Re:Pretty Much. by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Funny

      You don't know many new car buyers.

      Around here (N Cal) apartment parking lots are full of brand new cars. Buying a new car that costs your entire yearly take home is common.

      It's all about status symbols. You can get a fairly reliable old Honda for well under 5K$.

      There is no group with a lower aggregate IQ then new car buyers. Not even 'audiophiles'.

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    9. Re:Pretty Much. by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 4, Informative

      Republicans are friends of big business. Not of the free market. Over the years the Republican Party has transformed from "conservative" and "liberal" to the Corporate Lobbyists Party. In essence they use the party as a means to pave their way into management level once they retire from politics, happily kissing asses along the way.

    10. Re:Pretty Much. by flaming+error · · Score: 4, Informative

      This. The obvious truth is that each party wants the programs they don't like to vanish, and the programs they do like to expand.

      Only purist libertarians honestly want the whole government small. Regardless of their rhetoric, the actions of every other party show they want the government to be ginormous, domineering, and bent on shoving their agenda down the world's throat.

    11. Re:Pretty Much. by Valdrax · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Which is even more baffling, I usually associate free market to republicans. Dems are usually supporters of bigger government.

      Don't buy the talking points of the parties. Each party has a number of conflicting interest groups within them, and which group is on top varies from region to region. Some conservatives believe in the free market almost religiously, while many others believe in the free market is only a great idea to apply *outside* of their industry. Furthermore, the lower you go down from the national level, the more an individual politician's interests will be tied into which big fish is willing to dribble money into their campaign, and that will more often than not be tied to the local rich guy.

      Car dealerships are local businesses that pull in a lot of money and which have long had a history of being big donors to local politics. There are a number of ideological reasons that Republicans would support protection of a local elite at the expense of what the public wants, but let's face it, a Democrat would probably support the same bill if his town had a politically active car dealership in it and just use different rhetoric for it.

      The "free market" is a principle, and principles frequently go AWOL when reelection funding is on the line. Or if you want to be even more cynical, you can consider it just the Republican's "branding" rather than beliefs. Something to keep the common voters rooting for the team, while the business of politics continues to be business.

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    12. Re:Pretty Much. by uniquename72 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The GOP has been fractured by a bunch of progressive lefts that pretend to be conservative. (Boehner, etc).

      I love how today's Republicans pretend to worship Ronald Reagan, while calling any existing Reagan Republican a RINO.

      Reagan raised taxes and the minimum wage when it was good for the economy, allowed fairly easy immigration for illegals already in the country, and happily met with the leaders of enemy states. Today, even talking about any of these things would have Fox News frothing at the mouth.

      Obama is to the right of Reagan on a host of issues, and still we get whining from today's Republicans.

    13. Re:Pretty Much. by blindseer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Really? Democrats are less corrupt? Perhaps I have a bias but I don't recall too many Republicans going to jail recently. I do recall quite a few Democrats sitting behind bars right now.

      Maybe the Republicans are just better at covering their tracks. If that is true then that just means the Democrats are corrupt, and also stupid.

      I'm not someone that is going to come running to defend the GOP. I'm also not going to stand by while someone tries to tell me with a straight face that Democrats are trustworthy. Democrats are notorious for election fraud. I'm just at a loss for words.

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  2. Protecting businesses again? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's not the first time politics try to protect businesses, but it's hardly been THIS blatant before.

    Free market is a thing of the past. Today you don't buy and sell goods and compete with your competitor with quality and price, you buy and sell laws and compete in who can bribe more politicians.

    It's a bit like papal elections in medieval times.

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  3. Once again ... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Once again, companies try to prevent competition through legislation ... and apparently some lawmakers aren't above giving it to them.

    This is just buggy whip makers trying to ensure they still get their cut.

    Free market my ass.

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  4. Re:Meh... by Gadget27 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Cutting out the middle man is not a crime, its an achievement.

    What would be the problem if Ford or Honda sold directly to the consumer? Are you suggesting that it's anti-competitive to set the price of your own product? In a scenario without dealerships, there would still be competition... not between dealerships, but between manufactures instead. If you could only buy a Ford from Ford, and the only cars on the market were Ford, then there could be a problem, but there is no shortage of auto manufactures to keep the market competitive.

  5. Not just targetting Tesla by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While Tesla is the only manufacturer who is attempting to sell cars without a dealer network, the dealers recognize that if Tesla is successful with this tactic other manufacturers will follow their lead. The car dealers are attempting to protect their business model. I hope the dealers fail because it is not at all clear to me that dealers add any value to the process. It appears that the dealers' association agrees with me. However, I am not positive that car dealers do not add value. If they do, and manufacturers are allowed to sell without them, we will quickly discover what value they add to the equation. In either case, this attempt to enshrine their existence into law is a bad idea.

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  6. Missed Opprutunity by EMG+at+MU · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Generally, politicians with (R) next to their name claim to be against regulations and state/federal interference with free enterprise. Therefore I would expect the (R) members of the Ohio Senate to be up in arms about this law, capitalizing on this opportunity to show that the (D) guys are always putting unreasonable burdens on private enterprise and stifling innovation and growth.

    But the fact that the sponsor and co sponsors of the bill are all (R)s contradicts that long held (R) stance. What gives? And why aren't there any reporters pointing out this contradiction?

  7. Re:It's disgusting how much control... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Informative

    Exactly! The main guys pushing this may have D's beside their names, but they are Republicans in all but name.

    No, they're Republicans in name too.

    They don't have D's next to their name.

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  8. Re:It's disgusting how much control... by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of course, this has nothing to do with Tesla or people buying Tesla's. Its about HOW cars are sold, not which cars are sold. It is dealership protection, plain and simple. Folks use Tesla to draw attention, but Teslas could be sold under the proposed law just like any car.. via dealerships.

    Now, I am very much against this protection of dealerships. But it has nothing to do with Tesla, or political parties. You'll find plenty of protectionism in both parties. It stifles competition. While there may be a few legitimate consumer protection concerns involving unscrupulous car sellers, it doesn't really measure up, and there other ways to afford those protections if they think they are needed.

    But anyone who jumps on the "republicans want to ban Tesla" wagon isn't really thinking very much about what really is at the core.

  9. Less government? Yeah right... by sjbe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The party of less government and pro-business.

    Pro-business. Mostly yes. Less government? Not so much. The republican party only wants less government when it suits them and keeps them in power. If the republicans REALLY were for less government they would be pushing to reduce the size of the military, reduce medicare, reduce social security and stay out of morality debates like stem cell research and gay marriage. They can pay lip services to "less government" all they want but their actions are not those of a party which actually wants less government.

  10. Dealers are (mostly) rip off artists by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The reason it's awful, is that for most people, a car is the most expensive item (apart from real estate) that they will ever buy, by a huge margin.

    The reason it is awful is because lots of dealers have a VERY well deserved reputation for trying to rip people off. If you've ever been through a negotiation to buy or sell a car through a dealer, you probably know that they will use every underhanded tactic in the book to try to get you to pay more than you need to. They try to sell you add ons that you do not need (like undercoating) or are overpriced. They try to take advantage of you and as a result, people resent them.