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India Plans Mission To Probe Sun By 2020
An anonymous reader writes "India is planning a mission to probe the Sun before 2020. The nation launched a Moon mission a few years ago and sent a Mars mission late last year. From the article: 'Indian Space Research Organization has lined up over a dozen missions, including its first probe on the Sun, Isro chairman K Radhakrishnan said on Friday. Though, the mission to probe the Sun was already on the cards, the agency now has a clear picture of its plan and had put a timeframe within which it hoped to undertake it, Radhakrishnan said, while addressing students at a private University here. He said the "Aditya" mission to the Sun had been planned between 2017 and 2020.'"
How are they to withstand the heat and gravity sending a probe to the sun? Surely this is just to get close to take closeup pictures. But we have Helios for that. And will the probe be named the Icarus 1?
liberare massarum ex ignorantia, clausa descendit molestie.
They'll go at night
They could take all the rapists and put them on a manned mission. Two birds, one stone.
Plus I hear the rent there is horrendous.
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Which country are you from? Is the per capita rape rate in your country much better?
With all of the problems that exist in India, I don't see how they are going to get it done. Even if they do, at what ultimate cost? I think of all those who will suffer as a result of a government fools errand.
They can now, because they're not a part of the British Empire anymore.
Ezekiel 23:20
Not really...
a.) India always does it cheaper.
b.) The capability will go towards providing commercial space services. Its a money maker, rather than a drain. India is already doing this.
c.) The problem India has now is not so much as not having money. It does not have non-corrupt institutions to properly distribute the resources. They will improve as education improves in subsequent generations who will then elect better politicians, demand cleaner systems and more effectively fight for their rights. Projects like these inspire students.
Vice President Quayle declared that the US should be the first nation to complete a manned space to the Sun.
In related news: Food is dependent on the sun. Understanding the sun better could be key to increasing yields.
In other news: Space tech often makes it way down to doing practical things, including help feed the poor
Im playing KSP, and I know it is damn hard to get to the sun^W^Wkerbol, even with infinite fuel enabled!
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India does get foreign aid. But I would not call it "dependent".
They'll name it Icarus, of course. It's just what you do when sending anything towards the sun.
Rape isn't comperable between countries. As Assange found out, consentual sex in sweeden can be "rape" and as such, the defintions are not uniform. And reported rapes are low in Saudi Arabia, where being raped is a capital crime. Some places encourage reported rapes, others discourage it, and the definition not being uniform leads to an inability to reliably compare rape statistics between countries.
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Chances are that he's not from a country which sentences people to gang-rape:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/worl...
Sure, it's a cultural thing; best not interfere or comment, right?
Actually India offers foreign aids to other foreign countries too. India is still a net gainer in foreign aid (receives more foreign aid, that it gives out to other countries), but calling them dependent on foreign aid is ridiculous. It is peanuts compared to their yearly budget.
Isn't that what Americans were saying about Apollo? Here you go:
A rat done bit my sister Nell.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Her face and arms began to swell.
(and Whitey's on the moon)
I can't pay no doctor bill.
(but Whitey's on the moon)
Ten years from now I'll be payin' still.
(while Whitey's on the moon)
The man jus' upped my rent las' night.
('cause Whitey's on the moon)
No hot water, no toilets, no lights.
(but Whitey's on the moon)
I wonder why he's uppi' me?
('cause Whitey's on the moon?)
I wuz already payin' 'im fifty a week.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Taxes takin' my whole damn check,
Junkies makin' me a nervous wreck,
The price of food is goin' up,
An' as if all that shit wuzn't enough:
A rat done bit my sister Nell.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Her face an' arm began to swell.
(but Whitey's on the moon)
Was all that money I made las' year
(for Whitey on the moon?)
How come there ain't no money here?
(Hmm! Whitey's on the moon)
Y'know I jus' 'bout had my fill
(of Whitey on the moon)
I think I'll sen' these doctor bills,
Airmail special
(to Whitey on the moon)
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In related news - America still has a mission to feed its poor.
They know better than that. The actual plans call for them to fly all the way around and land on the dark side of the sun.
Are you serious? Do you really think that this probe to the sun is going to result in better growing of crops? Seriously? Do you really think that India's money spent on a sun probe will result in more food than say the same investment in solar panels for a more steady electricity supply?
Yes, I do think that a probe into the sun to understand some of the environment which makes up the photosphere and the outer layers of the Sun better will indeed be far better spent money than dumping that into a bunch of foreign-made solar panels in some remote village to provide a steady supply of electricity. This is especially true for a country with as many people as live in India, where the individual investment into such a project is quite small per person and the pay-off can be so much more.
Try to learn about basic research and the benefits that have come from it. I certainly don't feel bad about myself feeling this way nor should SJHillman for that matter either. Basic research in space (including the stuff going on with the ISS) has been able to feed, clothe, and in general improve the overall standard of living for far more people than any other single endeavor in the past hundred years. It is literally saving lives, lives which in many cases can even be counted. I will even go so far as to suggest that we've only just started on the ways it can help humanity as a whole, and India in particular.
For this particular research in particular, it can help explain some of the non-anthroprogenic causes of global warming (IMHO something useful to know about too) and can certainly pave the way to help with much more accurate weather forecasts and other tools that can most certainly help out that village you are so concerned about. The pay-off for spending this money may take decades or even centuries to completely realize, but it will happen. A bit of a risk I suppose and knowing it is helping all of mankind at the same time rather than just the one village, but I certainly congratulate India on trying this project.
North Korea Lands First Ever Man On The Sun
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To keep everything organized, I recommend that all posts mentioning going at night be arranged under this one.
LOL!
That's a fascinating read.
A 4 hour filight to the sun(at night, to avoid being burned up!), landed and collected sunspot samples to bring back for the Supreme Leader, and back home by 9:00 P.M. in bed for school the next day...all by a 17 year old boy/astronaut.
Truly remarkable!
The best our youth(USA) can do is cost their fathers $80,000 by posting crap on facebook...sad, really. ;-)
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Really ? .. just when does that begin ?
I thought Americas priority was subsidizing Monsanto, Exxon and helping out all those starving billionaires
"Suppose you were an idiot...and suppose you were a member of Congress...but I repeat myself." Mark Twain
Being raped is not a capital crime in Saudi Arabia. The myth of that got out when a married woman claimed she was raped, and since there wasn't enough evidence to prove it, the prosecutor decided to charge her with adultery. It's screwed up and Muslims around the world protested the case, but they're a US-backed dictatorship and that's that.
Adultry isn't just married infidelity. Sex outside marriage is adultry (not just being married and having sex with a non-spouse, but having any sex with someone you aren't married to, regardless of your and their marriage status) in many of "those places". Being raped is not a defense for adultry. So yes, being raped can be a capital crime. That's not a myth. That's the law.
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Citation needed. Sex outside of marriage is referred to as "Zina" in Saudi Arabia, which is not a capital offense. Adultery is a subset of sex crime law, and is punished by flogging if unmarried, only married people qualify for capital punishment for adultery..
... you guys just have to make crude jokes ?
I mean, India has all the rights that all the other nations (whether it be USA or Russia) have to send their craft to Sun, Moon, Mars or wherever they want to send them to.
Or just because it's India that you guys think they'll somehow fucked up ?
The truth is everybody has had hick-ups in their own space missions - NASA included.
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This is how Anonymous Cowards think ....
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
In related news - mission to feed the poor in India still dependent on foreign aid
[citation needed]
As far as I know, India actually sent foreign aids amounts to millions of dollars to African countries.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but a country which is rich enough and has the money to send aids to other countries suppose to be not receiving any more aids.
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
The War on poverty was the first of many hopeless wars on abstractions. It was proposed by Lyndon Johnson at his inaugural in 1964.
Help stamp out iliturcy.
They do not need anyone's backing and that definitely includes the US. China would gladly replace the US in SA. As long as they can sell their oil to anyone they want they hardly need US backing. People claiming the US backs dictators and non-democratic leaders are practically calling for the US to interfere in another countries internal matters. On the other hand they also complain when the US does interfere so the best course of action would be to do nothing which appears to be the current US foreign policy.
Current US foreign policy is not "do nothing." The US government backed the Bahraini dictatorship and looked the other way as their police fired on pro-democracy protestors and refused to sanction the government despite its documented use of torture and human rights abuses. Why? Because the Bahraini king allowed the US Navy to park its ships there. The US government approved the sale of weapons to the Saudi dictatorship that human rights groups warned would be used on protestors and for torture (e.g. selling huge shipments of cattle prods to the Saudi government even though they don't have many cows). It's creating a whole generation of people who dislike America, despite the fact that the US was quite popular up until recently.
c.) The problem [India | United States | China etc etc etc] has now is not so much as not having money. It does not have non-corrupt institutions to properly distribute the resources. They will improve as education improves in subsequent generations who will then elect better politicians, demand cleaner systems and more effectively fight for their rights. Projects like these inspire students.
FTFY. Also, the part about fixing it being reality is the funniest bit of satire I've read in a long time
:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Just because your superpower is on the decline and no longer has the capability to do a manned space mission, you don't need to piss on the rising ones for taking their first steps. 40 years from now when they're mining asteroids and outsourcing their cheap crap to the USA, they might come back and rub your nose in it.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Correct which is why India will no longer receive aid in the amounts it was once given.
As much as we love to hate, the US is far less corrupt in basically every way measurable than India and China, and India makes China look like Northern Europe.
We don't believe in radical loony monotheistic religions from the middle east -- we're Christians.
A Third-World country of religious crazies who have nuclear weapons announcing that they're pushing ahead with advanced missile - oops, did I say that? I mean "payload delivery system" development.
What's not to like?
People demanding the government distribute resources is the PROBLEM, not the solution. We tried communism about 10 times in the last 100 years, it does not work. Markets remain the most efficient and on-target way to "distribute resources".
Im also not sure what you think "corruption" means if youre placing the US, China, and India all in the same category.
I hope they will do the needful to make sure probe can kindly revert with gathered data.
On serious note, what does it mean that "mission would be around Earth"? Are we talking about some small sattelite orbiting Earth, which happens to have lenses directed at Sun? And this is "Mission to Probe Sun"? In such case, Hubble telescope was a mission to probe thousands of galaxies and millions of starts...
In related news, India exports food, just like the USA, and has some people that live on the streets without enough to eat, just like the USA.
Would it be seen as anti-Semetic to mention Israel at this point? Or would it be seen as just pointing out a place with damn good lobbyists and enough of an economy that they don't really need that aid money.
Before you wrap up in the flag and sing about how much better your country is than theirs it may be worth noticing that their economy is growing and they don't have nearly half their elected officials trying to sabotage it so they can blame it on the half that is currently in charge.
In other news: Space tech often makes it way down to doing practical things, including help feed the poor
You mean like frying up all that food they don't have in Teflon frying pans? I kid, I kid.
But you gotta admit that usually the link between space exploration and feeding the poor is quite indirect and relies on one of those "trickle down" types of theories.
Well played sir.
The myth of that got out when a married woman claimed she was raped, and since there wasn't enough evidence to prove it, the prosecutor decided to charge her with adultery.
Which means that the myth is not really a myth and is in fact a fact, as you have just illustrated.
India also supports other developing countries in a way which makes much more impact than the raw dollars they put into aid - patent-free medicine.
But that's military aid, which is an important part of the global war on humanity.
My mistake.
It's also an important source of technology transfer - for instance the "businessmen" who sold a tank targeting system unavailable to all other US allies to a Chinese company, who then onsold it to Iran! To be fair the government of Israel were very unhappy about that one.
Agreed. It's too dark at night. They should go in the day but during the winter.
if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail
Casteism
Exactly how did they back the Bahraini government? Deploy troops? Issue dire warnings and threats against protestors? Initiate drone strikes on the protesters? They issued a standard statement to the effect that people have complaints that should be solved peacefully through dialog and not violence, Anything more than that and it is considered interfering in another countries internal business isn't it?
Compare how the US responded to similar actions in Iran; the president held press conferences and pressed the issue at the UN and got Europe to agree to sanctions. With Bahrain, no action was taken; the implication being that protesters' livesans democracy are worth less than navy parking spaces.
US-made tanks sold to Saudi stormed into Bahrain and crushed the protests. The US government decided that was not enough reason to deny further sales.
-- Smashmouth Now, If I were the Sun, I'd be upset by an alien probe.
You cannot compare the US relationship with Bahrain with US relations with Iran. Last time I checked Bahrain was not funding and arming just about every terrorist group in the region for the express purpose of undermining US policy. Hezbollah and Hamas are Iran's version of an NGO. When it comes to real world international relations every situation is different. In this case the Iranians were supporting and encouraging the Bahrain protesters to undermine the government of Bahrain. You know just like the US is always being accused of doing. The last thing the US wanted was to help Iran destabilize Bahrain. Haven't you noticed that lately the US is really not doing anything but issuing tough sounding statements followed up with no discernible actions? Frankly it would be better if they would cease making any statements at all. And like I mentioned before not selling US military tech to SA would change nothing. SA can get arms from a number of other countries. Why should the US give up the money earned by military sales when it will not effect the situation? The US is not the only game in town these days and the constant demonizing of the US has allowed other countries such as Russia, China, North Korea, Syria, and Iran to slip under the radar and do anything they want. If you want to see what real "backing" is just look at the Russian and Iranian support of Syria.
Let's not lump everything under communism which has many extra connotations. At most, what you are talking about is socialism. In India, almost everyone agrees that the country needs more education and that no one should have to starve (US poor are a different kind of poor, nothing like Indian poor). The problem is getting the resources to the most needy without most of it leaking out on the way there. Contrast US medicare. Even with some fraud, it is extremely efficient (in terms of money reaching recipients). India does not have such systems yet.
Besides, you don't get to tell people of a democratic country, to have capitalism or socialism (which is what US did in its dictator driven satellite states, which were not yet ready for capitalism). They will choose. If the bulk of the population does not have entrepreneurial opportunity (lack of education to think systematically, assess risk, exploit capital channels etc), capitalism is meaningless and it will simply become code for feudalism.
The question in India is - HOW. The question in US often is - WHETHER. Both are good questions in their respective contexts.
US has less need for socialistic safeguards, while India still does (but less now, than 60 years ago). What India and China are at least theoretically doing is proper. First use socialism to get the basics right, get everyone operational and then peel it away slowly once the people can compete. Its the way we raise babies. We are not Spartans.
When criticizing India or China, remember that these have been away from foreign domination only relatively recently (60 yrs), compared to US and Europe (several centuries). They are progressing nicely.
> spiraling shithole
Since its independence from colonial rule, the country made advances in nearly every index. Go ahead, prove me wrong by finding charts to the contrary.
> Indian parasites
Parasites? Indian diaspora are quite productive and successful. In US, they have the highest per-capita incomes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01...
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org...
http://www.npr.org/2012/05/29/...
Today, an Indian-American runs Microsoft, an Indian-American is Miss USA and Indian-Americans reign spelling bee.
Of course, facts don't matter to you - a vanilla racist bigot.
Correction: Miss America, not Miss USA