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Scientists Revive a Giant 30,000 Year Old Virus From Ice

bmahersciwriter writes "It might be terrifying if we were amoebae. Instead, it's just fascinating. The virus, found in a hunk of Siberian ice, is huge, but also loosely packaged, which is strange says evolutionary biologist Jean-Michel Claverie: 'We thought it was a property of viruses that they pack DNA extremely tightly into the smallest particle possible, but this guy is 150 times less compacted than any bacteriophage [viruses that infect bacteria]. We don't understand anything anymore!'"

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  1. Welp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    This virus will be our undoing. The end is nigh!

    1. Re:Welp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Humanity is like a big baby left unsupervised, licking, poking, touching everything, because it can. Sooner or later, the fork ends up in the toaster or it drinks the dish washing liquid.

  2. Pray or Prey? by JimSadler · · Score: 5, Funny

    just hope that this bug is not designed to attack large, warm blooded, animals.

    1. Re:Pray or Prey? by halfEvilTech · · Score: 2

      well the assume anyways - other giant viruses are the same in that they only attack amoebae but this giant virus is also unlike anything they ever tested. The basically set the permafrost in a container and let it go to work. They didn't try other organisms. so their assumptions are partially based on the work of prior giant viruses.

    2. Re:Pray or Prey? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      I volunteer any member of Congress to go mano a mano with the virus. Friggin bunch of disorganized slime that they are, it might find some valid targets.

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  3. 30,000 year old nope by dgp · · Score: 5, Funny

    Revive a 30,000 year old virus, they said. It'll be fun they said.

    1. Re:30,000 year old nope by MaksimS · · Score: 5, Funny

      What could possibly go wrong?

    2. Re:30,000 year old nope by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 4, Funny

      What could possibly go wrong?

      Hey, are my eyes supposed to be going black?

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    3. Re:30,000 year old nope by cold+fjord · · Score: 2

      Hopefully it won't result in some form of mutant giant man-eating amoeba like things, or something. Of course a virulent microscopic blood-borne disease organism would be bad too.

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    4. Re:30,000 year old nope by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      30,000 years is a blink in the evolutionary time line. While it might have a few novel antigens, it should be mostly harmless.

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    5. Re:30,000 year old nope by steelfood · · Score: 2

      It'll be fun

      Famous last words.

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    6. Re:30,000 year old nope by Carewolf · · Score: 2

      A virus isn't living in the first place.

      It is made of living things and reproduces by attacking living things turning them into a selfdestructive mockery of live. Virus is not fully alive, it is UNDEAD.

  4. We were warned by grimStone · · Score: 2

    I seem to recall something similar happening on X-Files, Stargate, and Fringe. It didn't turn out so well.

  5. in prehistoric Russia by zlives · · Score: 5, Funny

    the virus catches you

  6. Over compacted, under compacted ... by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2

    Jean-Michel Claverie: 'We thought it was a property of viruses that they pack DNA extremely tightly into the smallest particle possible, but this guy is 150 times less compacted than any bacteriophage [viruses that infect bacteria].

    I am sure this scientist is going to be perplexed by this too. this . I expect him to say, "I expect the human torso to be kind of roundish in cross section and two hands hanging by the side. But this guy is over compacted. We don't understand any thing anymore."

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  7. Re:I think I've... by Xiver · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you like The Thing then read this. It is a short story from The Thing's point of view.

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  8. lol by hamburger+lady · · Score: 4, Funny

    "We don't understand anything anymore!" says the guy reviving a 30,000 year-old virus. sheesh.

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  9. 30,000 years old? by Zaiff+Urgulbunger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm surprised this thing is very different to modern viruses given that it's *only* 30K years old. I appreciate these things are always evolving, but I would've thought they'd have done most of their evolving in the previous 3-billion years or whatever. So presumably, being big wasn't a problem for a virus until relatively recently?

    1. Re:30,000 years old? by Mortiss · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, these viruses may have found a relatively safe niche in a biosphere, where large genome is not a huge disadvantage and simply stayed that way. These giant viruses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimivirus) seem to have acquired a large number of metabolic genes from their hosts, which in case of human viruses would be very disadvantageous, since in this environment large = easier to detect and eradicate.

    2. Re:30,000 years old? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm surprised this thing is very different to modern viruses given that it's *only* 30K years old. I appreciate these things are always evolving, but I would've thought they'd have done most of their evolving in the previous 3-billion years or whatever. So presumably, being big wasn't a problem for a virus until relatively recently?

      You're displaying your ignorance I'm afraid, and I don't mean that disparagingly. Viruses are short lived and the number of copies that reproduce is huge. That makes (at least some of) them ideal for studying evolution in short time spans. HIV/AIDS is a key one for studying evolution.

      http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/relevance/IA2HIV.shtml

  10. Has anybody asked.... by BenJeremy · · Score: 2

    ...what could possibly go wrong? Because, that simply can't be asked too many times, right?

    Ugh.

    It will actually turn out that this virus will simultaneously cure cancer and all known diseases in humans. They'll call it the Ponce de Leon infection as it also stops and even reverses the effects of old age, and will result in a sharp drop in mortality rates and a rapid increase in population.

    Eventually, the Earth's population of humans will outstrip its ability to support them.

    Then the real carnage begins.

  11. We don't know why it isn't densely packed. by Chas · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's possible that this one was warped by its environment.
    Another possibility is that we're looking at a sign of evolution here.

    It's possible that 30,000 years ago, the environment (and carriers) could support the existence of larger, loosely packed viruses.

    Then with the advance of medicine and sanitation (and possibly changes in climate), that behemoths like this simply weren't viable anymore. They were too fragile (or just too obviously large) to withstand the immune responses in healthier, cleaner hosts.

    As such, these oversized viruses died off the same way various megafauna did. Their ecological niche was either stressed (or closed). Thus the only survivors were smaller, more compact variants.

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  12. Re:Wow by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

    So no one who commented even bothered to read the SUMMARY? Is the internet full of fruit flies? THIS VIRUS CANNOT ATTACK MAMMALS, IT GOES FOR AMOEBAE YOU ILLITERATE ADHD PATIENTS!

    Then how come we haven't heard from the researchers for the past couple of weeks?

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  13. Re:"we don't understand anything anymore" by Natural+Philosopher · · Score: 2

    I'm no biologist, but... don't viruses mutate quickly and unpredictably? And perhaps into a strain that is able to infect mammals?