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Top U.S. Scientific Misconduct Official Quits In Frustration With Bureaucracy

sandbagger writes "The director of the U.S. government office that monitors scientific misconduct in biomedical research has resigned after 2 years out of frustration with the 'remarkably dysfunctional' federal bureaucracy. Officials at the Office of Scientific Integrity spent 'exorbitant amounts of time' in meetings and generating data and reports to make their divisions look productive, David Wright writes. He huge amount of time he spent trying to get things done made much of his time at ORI 'the very worst job I have ever had.'"

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  1. Just like where I work ... by Old97 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and its a large corporation in the private sector. Its hard for very large organizations to be efficient.

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    1. Re:Just like where I work ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've worked in both. Government is an order of magnitude worse in my experience.

    2. Re:Just like where I work ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I greatly enjoy telling people stuff like that. People labor under the misconception that Corporate America is "efficient". Sadly, even in small businesses, there are many forces at work that make them disgustingly inefficient. In large organizations, every layer of management invariably imposes yet another layer of paperwork and delay to the simple process of DOING THE WORK. That's just normal inclination and doesn't even touch of each layer engaging in "empire building".

    3. Re:Just like where I work ... by tiberus · · Score: 1

      and its a large corporation in the private sector. Its hard for very large organizations to be efficient.

      I'd add a couple corollaries to that:

      1. when you don't trust your co-workers and/or subordinates
      2. when you don't know how to run a meeting

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    4. Re:Just like where I work ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      His baseline for comparison is University politics.
          This is not a high standard of efficiency.

      The fact that DHS compares so poorly to this not so high standard is quite outstanding.

    5. Re:Just like where I work ... by tomhath · · Score: 2

      People labor under the misconception that Corporate America is "efficient".

      I've never heard anyone make that claim. Perhaps "least bad" compared to Socialist or Totalitarian, but not efficient.

    6. Re:Just like where I work ... by firex726 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You can often see such a position argues in favor of having Private industry take over Public work in some areas.

      > The Government is bloated and slow and has no incentive, but the Private sector is competitive and results driven, so they should manage our prisons, red light cameras, etc...

      But then as it turns out the Private firm overestimated the cost savings and ends up cutting costs while costing the government the same or more for less quality service.

    7. Re:Just like where I work ... by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      This is a fact of life in government contracting. The govt. attempts to get something at the lowest cost, so everyone lowballs in an attempt to win.

      I've been on both sides of the equation. On the govt. side, there's virtually no competition, and little incentive to work hard. Try that in the private sector, and see how long you last.

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    8. Re:Just like where I work ... by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      The problem with privatization is that it ends up being worse than having the government do it directly, because there's no consequences for failure. Several companies bid on the project, but they low-ball the bid to win the project because the lowest bidder almost always wins. But then the project costs much more, and somehow the government is on the hook for these cost overruns, instead of the contractor being responsible (since they did, after all, bid a certain amount). The problem here is the government agrees to contracts which allow enormous overruns at the government's expense. If the contractor fails, what's the penalty? At worst, they get dismissed (and keep all the cash) and someone new takes over.

      It's simple: make the bids binding, and if the contractor fails to meet the terms, they pay to get it right, and if they can't, they forfeit their company and the officers are all personally responsible.

    9. Re:Just like where I work ... by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

      This is an important distinction. A competitive environment encourages at least some level of efficiency, as long as there are real consequences. "Private" isn't some magic wand that will solve problems. If you take a government run monopoly and turn it over to a privately run monopoly, you aren't going to see much improvement.

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    10. Re:Just like where I work ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I've never heard anyone make that claim.

      Get serious. Corporate behavior is always labeled "efficient". Capitalism and the free market are also labeled such. In the media and in academia. That's why I noted how wrong the claim is.

    11. Re:Just like where I work ... by kellymcdonald78 · · Score: 2

      Obviously you've never been involved in a government contract. Often, one of the biggest reasons for cost overruns is because the government has no clue what they actually want and then change their mind on a daily basis. In some cases the government spends years (yes years) putting together the requirements for an RFP and after submitting several 1000's of pages of response material, interviews, shortlisting, etc, etc, etc. Some company is awarded a contract. Then the fun begins, because most of the requirements are out of date, were written by somone who had no idea what they were asking for, or are missing critical pieces of functionality or details. As a result the requirements gathering starts all over again, and then the costly change order process starts.Then you find out you need to integrate with a 35 year old Wang mainframe that runs some weird esoteric algorithm that no one alive understands. Then they decide your project has to comply with some new reporting requirement that adds hundreds of people years of effort to your project. Your "simple" solution, assuming anyone would ever bid on a contract that could resulting them in "forfeiting their company", would result in the delivery of a car with square wheels, no steering wheel and only capable of running on leaded gasoline, however fully complient with the "terms" of the contract

    12. Re:Just like where I work ... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Again, this should all be covered by the company that wins the bid. If they don't like it, they shouldn't bid on the contract.

      >because most of the requirements are out of date,

      Contractor's fault. If the requirements are impossible, tell the customer and don't bid.

      >were written by somone who had no idea what they were asking for

      Same as above.

      >or are missing critical pieces of functionality or details.

      Same as above.

      >Then you find out you need to integrate with a 35 year old Wang mainframe that runs some weird esoteric algorithm that no one alive understands.

      If that's in the contract you signed, you need to do it. If it isn't in the contract, don't do it, or re-bid for that portion.

      This would all be much simpler if both parties simply adhered to the terms of the contract. If the terms are unrealistic or impossible, don't bid.

    13. Re:Just like where I work ... by kellymcdonald78 · · Score: 1

      Ahh, so your "solution" is either that no one should bid on a government contract, ever... or, deliver a car with square wheels and no steering wheel.. gotcha "Telling the customer" also doesn't work in government, because you arn't allowed to "talk to the customer". In order to ensure "fairness and transparency" you are only allowed to talk to a procurement officer who knows precicely zero about the project in question (They do however know everything about government procurement procedures and rules). You've also proposed a classic prisoners dillema situation. Sure, if no one bids on any government contract, then eventually someone might try to fix the god foresaken world of government procurement, however if just one person bids, they win the contract. So all we need is perfect collusion between all government contractors not to bid on anything

    14. Re:Just like where I work ... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Exactly. If no one bids on anything (because the consequences are too grave), then the government will be forced to change its procurement procedures. Doing things the way they're working now obviously isn't working, and the definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing and expect a different result, yet that's exactly what most people seem to want to do.

    15. Re:Just like where I work ... by kellymcdonald78 · · Score: 1

      So in order to force the government to change their procurement processes, all we need them to do is change their procurement processes (to impose the grave consequences needed to drive companies not to bid on anything, so government will change their procurement processes). This would also mean that government procurement would grind to a halt for several years as they develop these new procurement procedures. (Hope their stocked up on pens and paper) There is a difference between advocating that everyone "keep doing everything the same thing" and pointing out the flaws in your simplistic idea to "fix" the problem. I don't think anyone denies that government procurement is a trainwreck,

    16. Re:Just like where I work ... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Sometime you have to tear things down and start all over in order to rebuild something better.

  2. Been there. by Narcocide · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The sickness is endemic, and not just in government either; pretty much all big business suffers from this once it reaches critical mass. Basically, when you have a hierarchy of people who are so separated by degrees of management tier that the bulk of them no longer care about the actual stated goal or task of the organization and don't interact socially or even actually know anyone high enough up in the organization who does, and then you let them self-schedule their time in business meetings, every business meeting will become an elaborate excuse to not do any work. The meetings themselves look like work from a distance though, so this type of dysfunctional situation can persist for decades without anyone who cares actually noticing.

    1. Re:Been there. by 50000BTU_barbecue · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The reason is quite simple: we have all the technology and resources required so that people DON'T need to work, that was the whole concept behind the leisure society.

      But instead we choose to continue with this outdated mentality of "40 hours a week for everyone" otherwise you're not a worthy human being.

      So, what do you do with all these people? Well, you make them spend exorbitant amounts of time in meetings and generating data and reports to make them look productive.

      We are squandering the most glorious time in history in terms of energy resources, technology and machinery in order to maintain a social order that comes from the caves.

      Everyone is *so* productive in today's world! Oh my yes! That's why it takes two people working in a household today to barely maintain the lifestyle my single-income parents had 40 years ago!

      We're so productive, but *what* are we producing and for *who*?

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    2. Re:Been there. by Frobnicator · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The sickness is endemic, and not just in government either; pretty much all big business suffers from this once it reaches critical mass. ... every business meeting will become an elaborate excuse to not do any work.

      I think the description in his resignation goes far beyond the sickness you describe. In big business it gets broken up, either by intervention or by just firing everybody. This is far beyond just not working.

      One paragraph of the resignation letter that shows it off spectacularly:

      "On another occasion I asked your deputy why you didn’t conduct an evaluation by the Op-Divs of the immediate office administrative services to try to improve them. She responded that that had been tried a few years ago and the results were so negative that no further evaluations have been conducted."

      So the person in charge says they tried to make it better years ago, but the environment was such a cesspool that they decided to not even bother trying to make it better.

      How do you even...?

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    3. Re:Been there. by kilfarsnar · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We're so productive, but *what* are we producing and for *who*?

      Great post. That's the million dollar question, right there. We certainly are propping up an outdated socio-economic system. But powerful people retain their power through this system. That's the obstacle I see. Otherwise we could all be working much less, have full employment and much more time for personal pursuits.

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    4. Re:Been there. by Racemaniac · · Score: 2, Funny

      i gues for the most we're producing money to go up the chain to those who deserve it?

    5. Re:Been there. by boristdog · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Bob, I'd say in a week I do an average of 15 minutes of real work."

    6. Re:Been there. by CaptSlaq · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We're so productive, but *what* are we producing and for *who*?

      Great post. That's the million dollar question, right there. We certainly are propping up an outdated socio-economic system. But powerful people retain their power through this system. That's the obstacle I see. Otherwise we could all be working much less, have full employment and much more time for personal pursuits.

      Your "outdated socio-economic system" is someone else's "reality". While we are rapidly eliminating jobs for people on the left side of whatever IQ test you wish to use, we still have to pay people for food and to build stuff. When we automate THOSE jobs, we'll STILL have to pay for the energy production, energy usage, and maintenance of said automation, energy production and energy distribution.

      "Powerful people" aren't the problem. Energy and materials science is. Until energy production and transmission is zero cost, or close enough to it that it becomes an advertising expense, the leisure society isn't going to happen. I also don't believe that "Powerful people" are hiding the near zero cost energy production silver bullet. To speculate that it is so leads down the dark hole of conspiracy. Near zero cost energy not going to be in my lifetime, and probably not in my child's either. If the NIF (or any of its analogs) produce a self-sustaining fusion reaction, that will be tipping point. The materials science problem is nearly taken care of, but said materials (Iconel, among others) are too expensive and (again) energy intensive to produce in large quantities.

      There is speculation that if we actually get to the zero cost for energy society, mankind will inadvertently self-exterminate. I can see this being a very real possibility.

    7. Re:Been there. by 50000BTU_barbecue · · Score: 5, Interesting
      My parents had a washing machine, television, radio, a car, a house, heating, food from a supermarket, paved roads, clean drinking water, municipal waste collection, etc... All this with one salary for a blue collar job with decent job security, benefits and a pension plan. That's what I'm talking about.

      I'd gladly trade your "instant communications" (of mostly trivial garbage) for that. I walked to the library then, I can still do it now. I just don't understand why we accept diminishing returns for all these technologies except for a few people on top. Because they deserve it. Sure.

      But I'm talking nonsense.

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    8. Re:Been there. by acid_andy · · Score: 1

      The other problem (arguably greater in Europe than the States) is increased competition over land. As a local population increases due to a high birth rate and / or net immigration, individuals need careers to make a profit relative to their competitors so they can stake a claim to a patch of land to live on. If human population growth is expected to continue indefinitely, the competition over land will become more and more fierce so working hours and desire for income will not reduce. Population growth is encouraged because that's what fuels economic growth.

      In the short term the "powerful people" are a problem too though as they keep the land and property prices propped up and encourage the population growth and competition. In the long term it will increase with or without them though.

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    9. Re:Been there. by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Your "outdated socio-economic system" is someone else's "reality".

      The reality is that as worker productivity has increased by orders of magnitude, worker pay adjusted for inflation has decreased sharply. There's no defense for that.

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    10. Re:Been there. by schnell · · Score: 2

      All this with one salary for a blue collar job with decent job security, benefits and a pension plan.

      True, and that's also a highly desirable state for us to get back to. But it's not going to happen anytime soon, and for some very good reasons.

      High-paying blue collar jobs have been disappearing in the US for decades, largely due to globalization. For every person who might once have had a blue-collar manufacturing job here, there is probably someone elsewhere in the world willing to do it for less. And that's bad for American blue collar workers but actually good for the world overall - there are a lot of people in countries like Bangladesh, China etc. who a generation ago who might have been subsistence farmers not really participating in the global economy and now they are moving to cities, taking jobs and buying things. That fuels tax revenues in their countries, allowing the building of infrastructure and the improvement of quality of life in many of these third world countries. Again, that's bad for us but good for the world's economic development overall.

      This is certainly an arguable point among economists, but there is a lot of data pointing to the idea that pensions were always a bit of a ponzi scheme. When people are living longer, it's just not economically sustainable to carry costs like that when you could be spending that money on hiring new workers or paying your active workers more. Paying for retiree pensions and health care benefits used to add around $1500 in "dead weight" to the cost of each car for General Motors, as I recall. You saw in most of the recent airline bankruptcies that their pension obligations were the first thing that they shed to return themselves to sustainable profitability. Defined benefit plans are on the way out everywhere in the US - except the government - and arguably should be because, while it's great for the worker - was never really going to make sense in the long run to begin with.

      And job security has always been a bit of a lie. In the postwar US economy that the baby boomers grew up in, the economy as a whole expanded significantly and a rising tide lifted all boats. Nobody needed to be laid off because everything was growing. But when you reach a point where some industries are going away, others change rapidly and companies reach an equilibrium point where they grow or shrink organically, people are going to lose their jobs sometimes. It's unfortunate but it's a reality.

      So all your points are desirable and the US really does need to find a way to bring back a real blue collar middle class. But many of the things these folks got used to were temporary things rather than permanent. The US economy is rapidly splitting in two, into a blue-collar/lower education economy where unemployment is high and job prospects are low; and a white-collar/higher education economy where unemployment is low and that's where all the growth is happening (tech, finance, etc.) That's unlikely to change in the foreseeable future and the US needs to find a way to bring more of its workforce into the second economy where there are jobs because the first one is just not coming back.

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    11. Re:Been there. by 50000BTU_barbecue · · Score: 1

      I just want the benefits of technology because *we* deserve it, not one or two people on top who either came from the right uterus or have silly papers in their name.

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    12. Re:Been there. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      There is a defense for that. Worker productivity has increased due to capital improvements. A large factory with economy of scale with expensive and sophisticated processes that required a lot of R&D to devise and a lot of money to build are what make workers more productive. What did the workers do to make themselves more productive? Not much. The american worker isn't inherently better than those from other countries that our productivity is higher, yet we do get some of the benefit from it. The reality is that worker pay (in the US) will continue to go down as the effects of globalization continue until worker pay balances out more evenly internationally. That will happen primarily through worker pay increasing in other countries. Over a billion people lifted out of poverty in just a couple decades is a pretty darn good track record for these "powerful people" of yours.

    13. Re:Been there. by jader3rd · · Score: 1

      The reality is that as worker productivity has increased by orders of magnitude, worker pay adjusted for inflation has decreased sharply. There's no defense for that.

      What if the worker productivity isn't due to anything the workers have done, but from capitol investments the employers have made to increase their employee's productivity?

    14. Re:Been there. by CMYKjunkie · · Score: 2

      ...Everyone is *so* productive in today's world! Oh my yes! That's why it takes two people working in a household today to barely maintain the lifestyle my single-income parents had 40 years ago!...

      I would guess that 40 years ago your parents had...

      1 single family home, less than 2000 sq.ft., 3 bedrooms or less, 1 bathroom
      1 car (maybe 2?)
      1 television (maybe a second in a basement that was old?) with over-the-air programming of less than 20 channels
      1 landline telephone
      1 still, film camera
      1 stay at home mom

      Whereas today I am guessing your two incomes support...
      1 single family home, greater than 2000 sq.ft., 3 bedrooms or more, 2 bathrooms or more
      2 cars (or more)
      3 or more televisions with pay tv programming in excess of 300 channels plus time shifting/DVR technology
      1 mobile phone PER PERSON over age 13 with access to worldwide information resources; point-to-point videoconferencing; a multi-thousand long collection of music, photos, and video; still-photograph and high resolution video capability
      Paid child care for dependents under 6 years old

      The above situation is true for my household. If we lived like my parents did even 30 years ago, one of us could stay home AND we could sock some money away to the bank.

      Our standards of "normal lifestyle" has changed.

    15. Re:Been there. by ThatsDrDangerToYou · · Score: 1

      ^-- This. What did we ever do without Siri? .. and her monotonous sounding Android cousin?

    16. Re:Been there. by ducomputergeek · · Score: 2

      Seriously this. Before I owned my company, had a start up which we turned into a successful company and sold for enough that I now can live comfortably.

      After about a year off, I had spent the last 5 working 70 hours a week or more at times, a new start up approached me. They had all the technical talent they ever needed, but wanted some help on the business side. I had been in their shoes and I worked about 30 - 40 hours a week for the first 5 months developing and getting their sales/marketing implemented.

      Well here we are a year later and I really only do about 15 hours a week of work if that. Things have been successful. We are meeting sales goals, now have 3 sales people plus one trainer on staff. Literally I got to sales meetings on Tuesdays & Thursdays and then spend a couple hours making sure emails are being sent and going over numbers. And I get paid salary for 40 hours a week. The other 30 hours a week really are "In case something comes up". That may happen once or twice a month where I spend 20 hours actually doing work instead of 15.

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    17. Re:Been there. by khallow · · Score: 1

      The reason is quite simple: we have all the technology and resources required so that people DON'T need to work, that was the whole concept behind the leisure society.

      There's an even simpler reason. Because people make choices. They may not want to work, but they do want the things they can get by working.

      So, what do you do with all these people? Well, you make them spend exorbitant amounts of time in meetings and generating data and reports to make them look productive.

      Or their employer can have them doing useful work when they're doing work. That in turn creates more opportunities for useful work elsewhere in the economy, should anyone be interested enough in it.

      We are squandering the most glorious time in history in terms of energy resources, technology and machinery in order to maintain a social order that comes from the caves.

      Nah, that's an agrarian society thing. I'd say the leisure society ideal is actually more the caveman thing since both have a strong emphasis on doing as little work as possible.

    18. Re:Been there. by khallow · · Score: 1

      The reality is that as worker productivity has increased by orders of magnitude, worker pay adjusted for inflation has decreased sharply.

      People who say things like this don't get that there is more to the world than their little slice of developed world. The rest of the world's wages, which is considerably more numerous, is improving when adjusted for inflation.

    19. Re:Been there. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That capital was paid for by profits. The workers generated those profits through the difference between their wages and the value of their labor. So the workers did in fact make themselves more productive and even paid for it.

    20. Re:Been there. by Livius · · Score: 1

      There's no defense for that.

      Unless worker pay is determined by supply and demand, as in, say, a capitalist economy.

    21. Re:Been there. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Unless worker pay is determined by supply and demand, as in, say, a capitalist economy.

      When workers become commodities, we call that slavery.

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    22. Re:Been there. by AkkarAnadyr · · Score: 1

      2% inflation robs a worker of half his wealth over 30 years.

      Calling that a 'capitalist' economy whitewashes the very real fraud, malfeasance and misdirection that drains that worker's wealth even as the grifters exhort all to 'produce more and reap the rewards!" ... next budget cycle, of course, since we're a little constrained just now ... aaaaaand it's gone.

      Our debt-hyped economy goads employer and employee alike to settle for a pittance of what they produce, while rentier parasites skim off huge undeserved rewards.

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    23. Re:Been there. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      What do you call workers demanding more pay than can be sustained by the employer, because the employer is not able to sell the goods the worker produces for a value greater than that of the cost of the worker himself?

      If the worker is demanding a living wage, then you call that a business which deserves to fail, as there is clearly insufficient demand for its services to keep it operating without resorting to slavery, which is unacceptable.

      In any case, this is overwhelmingly not what is happening in big business.

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    24. Re:Been there. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Ah, so it's better that this worker take a "living wage" from the government, transfering someone else's tax dollars to them, and that job just be eliminated.

      It's better that the government not steal our money for the purpose of handing it to rich people, or using it to murder brown people so that those same rich people can profit. And the cost of entitlements to business (which includes nearly every war we've been in, with a couple of obvious exceptions) so far dwarfs the entitlements for the poor as to be laughable, if it weren't so sad.

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    25. Re:Been there. by Feyshtey · · Score: 1

      Oh, and this is all ensures that you control anyone that you give that free living wage to. You essentially have them hostage from that point on. Everyone becomes wholly reliant on the government for their basic existence unless they happen to be one of the people who's working harder. Which means that if they step out of line and rebel against what the government says they should have, or what they should say, or what they should eat, or what they should do with their freetime, the government can strongarm them.

      And I know you're thinking that this President would never do that, because he's such a great guy *coughbulllshit*. But can you promise that the elected officials 50 years from now will be so noble? No. you cant. But you're sure as hell happy enough to give them all the power they need now to fuck you completely then.

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    26. Re:Been there. by Feyshtey · · Score: 1

      So the government you believe kills innocent people, and believe has become corrupt and give favors to the rich and powerful in return for other favors; that government is the one you trust to make millions (perhaps most) of people become wholly reliant on it for food, housing, heat, power, communication, etc, and never abuse that power over them to coerce them to act / say / think exactly what that government demands them to. .

      Brilliant. Way to think that one thru.

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    27. Re:Been there. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      It doesn't work that way. Government is not an invalid concept because we have failed to maintain ours. Thinking, how does it work?!?!?!

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    28. Re:Been there. by Feyshtey · · Score: 1

      So we've only failed to control our government in how it kills "brown people" and its inscestuous relationship with "the evil rich". It works perfectly when it comes to benefits programs and entitlements. Those are different bureaucrats who are immune to corruption, misjudgement, and unintended consequences?

      Tell me, which government at any point in history has held sufficient enough power and wealth to provide for the basic needs of every citizen, and has:
      - Protected Liberty of thought, religion, parental rights, etc.
      - Has been even mostly free of corruption
      - Has, thru even one century, maintained the good of the people as paramount
      - Has not been warlike.
      - Has not imprissoned political dissidents
      - Has not had deaths due to famine, disease, or other causes directly related to the activity of that government.
      - Has not collapsed under its own weight, or from the over-indulgences of its citizens.

      See, you have this notion that government is either something that isnt run by people (who are inherently flawed), or that all we need is a specific kind of person in every position of authority in government. Both are wholly false notions. Government is run by people. And in general anyone who desires a position of authority (and therefore power) who would run for office in government is already compromised by that desire for power. Their personality type will leave them more open to the very corruption and compromise that you say is our fault for allowing (which I do not totally disagree with, btw).

      You further believe that this authoritarian government will mandate levels of involvement on all, and that everyone being mandated will agree on it!

      While it's true that "government" is not an invalid concept, a powerful authoritarian government (which is by definition what you describe) is dangerous and historicailly devolves into collapse at best , or attrocities commited "for the good of the people" at worst.

      I'm picturing a fly slamming into a window pane: "This time it'll work and I will fly right through. Ok, this time. No, this time. This time.This timeThis timeThis timeThis time."

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    29. Re:Been there. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      So we've only failed to control our government in how it kills "brown people" and its inscestuous relationship with "the evil rich". It works perfectly when it comes to benefits programs and entitlements.

      That's the opposite of what I said, but keep going. I'll make popcorn.

      I'm picturing a fly slamming into a window pane: "This time it'll work and I will fly right through. Ok, this time. No, this time. This time.This timeThis timeThis timeThis time."

      You will do better than the fly if you read before replying and take your head out from the warm dark place where you store your prejudices and suppositions.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    30. Re:Been there. by Feyshtey · · Score: 1

      Oh, so you believe we have controlled our government well when it comes to keeping it from killing "brown people" or from making deals with industrialists? And that it does a great job in giving to those in need?

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    31. Re:Been there. by Livius · · Score: 1

      What about the worker who already has a living wage?

    32. Re:Been there. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Oh, so you believe we have controlled our government well when it comes to keeping it from killing "brown people" or from making deals with industrialists?

      Well, that's something else I didn't say, or even suggest.

      What else have you assumed that I said when all I said that was the problem was that we're not controlling our government enough?

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    33. Re:Been there. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      It's not compensation unless you receive it. You don't get to count things like payroll taxes or compliance costs as compensation. Those are expenses. However, those expenses are far less than the increases in productivity, even counting the ones which are compensation. It costs only about 40% on top of a worker's salary for all that stuff. Maybe 50% or even 60% now, let's say. That's still less than one order of magnitude, so it's still a stupid and invalid argument.

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    34. Re:Been there. by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      Your "outdated socio-economic system" is someone else's "reality". While we are rapidly eliminating jobs for people on the left side of whatever IQ test you wish to use, we still have to pay people for food and to build stuff. When we automate THOSE jobs, we'll STILL have to pay for the energy production, energy usage, and maintenance of said automation, energy production and energy distribution.

      I dig that. The outdated economic system is my reality too, but I can only speak for my society. I'm not saying that people wouldn't have to work. I'm saying we could all work less. Stuff will still need to be manufactured and energy produced. But I also know that i live in a society who's needs (overall) are overfilled. Businesses create new markets now to sell their products. They are not meeting a need, they are creating one. It seems that we could reduce our production, work less, and still meet our needs. It just wouldn't be as profitable. That's when the powerful people come in with their needs of more and more profit.

      "Powerful people" aren't the problem. Energy and materials science is. Until energy production and transmission is zero cost, or close enough to it that it becomes an advertising expense, the leisure society isn't going to happen. I also don't believe that "Powerful people" are hiding the near zero cost energy production silver bullet. To speculate that it is so leads down the dark hole of conspiracy. Near zero cost energy not going to be in my lifetime, and probably not in my child's either. If the NIF (or any of its analogs) produce a self-sustaining fusion reaction, that will be tipping point. The materials science problem is nearly taken care of, but said materials (Iconel, among others) are too expensive and (again) energy intensive to produce in large quantities.

      There is speculation that if we actually get to the zero cost for energy society, mankind will inadvertently self-exterminate. I can see this being a very real possibility.

      Sure, I agree that we will need new and better power sources. Zero point energy sounds intriguing, but that's about it at this point; it's vaporware. I'm all for conspiracy theories (I believe they happen more than most people think) but that one has a lot of heat and not much light. I also think that powerful people exert more control over society than most people believe. But there is not one reason for the world being the way it is.

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    35. Re:Been there. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      So suggesting that because industry has given workers better tools and requires them to be less trained, that they deserve more money is pretty asinine.

      Suggesting that industry has given workers better tools and requires them to be less trained is asinine. They need training just to use the tools. They're expected to know more today than ever before.

      Then factor in the myriad cases where things like unions require that there be 1 guy to pick up the cable, and a 2nd guy to put down the cable, and a 3rd guy to plug in the cable, all when 1 guy could easily have done all three if he were just allowed to do it, and you have split the pay that one person might have made between 3 who are now bitching about how much they make to do a third of a job.

      I'm not in love with unions, but worker productivity has increased by orders of magnitude, and you're using a threefold increase in workers as an excuse as to why we don't pay our workers commensurate with their productivity? Your math doesn't work out.

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    36. Re:Been there. by Feyshtey · · Score: 1

      It's better that the government not steal our money for the purpose of handing it to rich people, or using it to murder brown people so that those same rich people can profit. And the cost of entitlements to business (which includes nearly every war we've been in, with a couple of obvious exceptions) so far dwarfs the entitlements for the poor as to be laughable, if it weren't so sad.

      Are you suggesting this sarcasm? Or were you just doing a cut and paste of random words that happen to suggest that with money our government "[hands] it to rich people" , that it "murder[s] brown people" and that those costs "dwarf the entitltements for the poor".

      Either you're a fucking idiot, or you're hoping desperately that we are.

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  3. Been there, quit that. by luckytroll · · Score: 5, Informative

    I spent a lost year of my life working for a similar agency. The systematic fear and redundant covering of asses made for endless meetings.

    The only thing worse than busywork is busywork with a profound sense of importance attached to it.

    1. Re:Been there, quit that. by alen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      the micromanaging is there due to the media

      no one is perfect and sometimes something happens where the media picks up on it, turns it into a major issue and starts calling for people in the government who made the decision to be fired.
      government workers know this and so they CYA everything they do down to the exact letter of the law or regulation

    2. Re:Been there, quit that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not just the media. It's also Congress. Any member of Congress could decide to turn your group into a political football at any time. This is especially likely if you have spent money on something that is easy to mock.

      The problem is that "something that is easy to mock" can be fruit fly research or volcano monitoring. So basically any time you do your job, it could have negative political consequences. The only solution is to not do your job....

    3. Re:Been there, quit that. by alen · · Score: 1

      yep

      worked for a DoD agency one time that was a major conduit of pork money for infrastructure projects. the PHB's would go to DC to testify to congress on a regular basis and they had briefing books for every member of congress of every committee that they reported to

  4. The Federal Government in a Nutshell by MetalliQaZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In a system where your rewards are based on the look of powerpoint presentations that are delivered to directors, you end up spending all your time optimizing the data on the slides. The same principle is applied all over the place, in almost every human endeavor. Using the wrong measure of progress means we waste time and effort. It also has a side effect of making everyone miserable, like the guy in this story. See health care, prison system, etc.

    By the way, this isn't a problem unique to the government. His gripes sound very similar to my reality. I work in a large aerospace company.

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    1. Re:The Federal Government in a Nutshell by the_skywise · · Score: 1

      Heck I saw the same level of politicking, bureaucracy and CYA'ing in a small start up with SIX people! (and believe it or not, the company STILL exists now 20 years on)

  5. Feynman by scottnix · · Score: 5, Informative

    This reminds me of what Richard Feynman went through while investigating the Shuttle Discovery disaster.
    They made a movie about it: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt24...

    1. Re:Feynman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Came here to say exactly that.

      Also, when he had to deal with the school books bullshit. (in surely you're joking)

    2. Re:Feynman by Headrick · · Score: 2

      I haven't seen the movie but this is also covered in Feynman's book "What Do You Care What Other People Think?". Lots of other good stuff in there too.

      Of course don't forget to read "Surely You're Joking Mr. Feynman". Feynman was a guy I would've really have liked to have known.

  6. +1 mod parent by seven+of+five · · Score: 1

    Great post, thanks.

  7. /r/politics by edibobb · · Score: 2

    Why is Fox News politics on Slashdot?

    1. Re:/r/politics by JazzHarper · · Score: 2

      Science magazine is not published by News Corp.

    2. Re:/r/politics by operagost · · Score: 1

      So you see every article that might possibly be critical of any tiny facet of the current Administration to be a work of supposed right-wing radicals?

      You're part of the problem.

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    3. Re:/r/politics by interkin3tic · · Score: 2
      Hi. SCIENCE. Turn in your nerd card if you don't see why this is slashdot material. We need more nerds engaged in politics, not more nerds being apathetic about it. Especially on this issue.

      Bureaucracy getting in the way of research is a very real issue. Administration of research funding has increased dramatically more than actual funding for research. Not unique to research of course, that's just bureaucracy. It's getting in the way of science. From the guy's letter

      On one occasion, I was invited to give a talk on research integrity and misconduct to a large group of AAAS fellows. I needed to spend $35 to convert some old cassette tapes to CDs for use in the presentation. The immediate office denied my request after a couple of days of noodling. A university did the conversion for me in twenty minutes, and refused payment when I told them it was for an educational purpose.

      I would disagree with his point here: the red tape is bad at universities. In my thesis work, we ran into an issue where we had too much data and needed to buy external hard drives to backup the data. Data that would be required by the grant to be stored. However, buying hard drives was prohibited by the funding, according to our administration. Eventually, someone coughed up the money from their pocket. I'm quite certain at my university, the same issue would have come up. It's possible the university in the guy's anecdote did too, someone just handed an administrator $35 from their own wallet.

      Cable news viewers aren't going to demand red tape be cut for biomedical research, they'd be more likely to demand the opposite. Ironically, they advocate the opposite for private industry on the grounds that it stifles innovation. Then they bemoan research funds being spent on fruit fly research while alzheimers hasn't been cured. Nerds need to demand the issue be solved.

    4. Re:/r/politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why is Fox News politics on Slashdot?

      Didn't you get the memo? Slashdot is becoming a libertarian "business intelligence" website. Just look at the most popular posts recently... And the beta features...

    5. Re:/r/politics by asylumx · · Score: 1

      Wish I had a mod point for you.

  8. Been Here Too . . . by tiberus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Add to this the lack of incentive to save money and you've got a right good mess. After spending time and effort to save funds on a program (government in this case), we ended the year with a surplus of funds (in the 10x of 1,000's range, I know it's a drop in the bucket but, we were quite proud at the time). When next year rolled around we were suddenly "poor estimators" and had "poor financial management", so our budget was cut by several times over our savings from last year.

    That was many years ago but, since then I experienced a similar mentality in the private sector, especially when dealing with government contracts.

    Also, our parent company recently took over management of our capital purchases. We have the money, we have the need, we have reviewed the data but, now it takes and extra 4-6 months to purchase something (e.g. a upgraded SAN). It seems that another subsidiary had some issue with their purchasing process, so rather than deal with the problem, Mother (our loving term for our parent company), created several more.

    1. Re:Been Here Too . . . by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

      hahahahah "mother" I love that, I will use it

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    2. Re:Been Here Too . . . by rnturn · · Score: 1

      I actually heard some stuffed shirt in the government who decided to sit in on a project meeting (I think he'd been invited as he was new to the department) state that our having completed a project ahead of schedule and under budget indicated poor project planning. Apparently, for some government bureaucrats, you should not build in any time to deal with problems that are likely to crop up. A schedule and/or budget overrun seems to be preferable because more meetings! (To justify, I guess, Mr. Stuffedshirt's existence on the government payroll.) Anyway... the actual government project manager gave him a look that -- if looks could kill -- would have gotten him twenty-to-life.

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  9. I wonder how many forms he had to fill out to quit by JoeyRox · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh the irony.

  10. Re:Why is the Office of Scientific Integrity... by Captain+Hook · · Score: 3, Informative

    Office of Research Integrity

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  11. Form a watchdog maybe? by pr0t0 · · Score: 1

    Given his recent experience with the ORI, I wonder if David Wright's talents might serve the public better by forming a watchdog group that essentially does the same thing as the ORI. It wouldn't have the teeth the ORI has in terms of access to data, that in itself may make it a non-starter; but if possible the group could serve to inform the public, and when necessary, embarrass the ORI by pointing out inaction.

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  12. He huge by Megahard · · Score: 3, Funny

    If true he could get another job where there's no paperwork.

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  13. True. Worst corporate bureaucracy = best govt bure by raymorris · · Score: 1, Insightful

    That is so true, in my experience also. Large companies have slow bureaucracies because they're large, and there's a lot of management overhead. The federal government is several orders of magnitude larger, and there's no incentive to succeed. Google is big, but Google employees know that if they don't get the job done , Apple and Microsoft will eat their lunch. If the federal bureau of whatever doesn't get the job done ... nothing, they'll still be there next year. Add to that the extra layers and layers of paperwork and crap because it's taxpayer money ...

    We see examples on Slashdot all the time. Some government decided to build a fiber network. Ten years and a billion dollars later, it's still not working. Google takes over and six months later - happy customers.

    Big companies are bureaucratic like an elephant is big.
    Government is bureaucratic like Jupiter is big.

  14. Kind of echoes my experience as well... by erp_consultant · · Score: 3, Informative

    I spent a few years as a public servant before doing what I do now. It was, to say the least, an eye opening experience. If you want to learn exactly how NOT to run a business go work for the government for a while.

    The procurement system is completely whacked. Everyone seems to know it but nobody wants to do anything to fix it. Democrats and Republicans alike have both had ample opportunity to fix it and both have shied away from it.

    It is nearly impossible to fire an incompetent federal employee. The best management can do is put the person in a crummy job and hope they quit. Likewise, management is forbidden from giving bonuses to top performing employees. It doesn't take long before people realize that they get paid the same whether they put in an honest days work or sit there with their feet up on the desk.

    Efficiency in government is punished, not rewarded. If you find a way to save money your reward is a reduced budget for next year. No raise, no promotion, no bonus, no thanks. So you end up with year end spending sprees to ensure that you spend every penny allocated to your department.

    It's very difficult to measure success in government. If you are selling a product you can say we sold X last year and this year we sold X+2. Therefore, this year was better than last. In public service how do you measure it? We had fewer complaints this year than last?

    It seemed to me that if you worked in government you had one of two choices. You could either suck it up and wait for your pension or leave and do something else. I chose to leave. I did find a lot of good, hard working people in government. I also found a lot of lazy, good for nothing doorstops. Such is life.

    1. Re:Kind of echoes my experience as well... by PeterM+from+Berkeley · · Score: 1

      Reforms are being put in place, though are being partially ignored.

      For example, in our Gov't organization, we are on a 'contribution based' system. In theory, low performers get pay decreases and if not remedied, get fired. In theory, high performers get raises.

      In practice, it seems that high performers get raises and the only pay decreases handed out are due to inflation: (I know of only one outright pay cut) outright cuts rarely happen and no one is ever fired. This is argueably a misadminstration of how our system is supposed to work. But at least underperformers don't get automatic raises.

      As to how money is managed, in our organization you (yearly) estimate how much money you need, and you either get it or part of it and adjust your schedule/goals accordingly. If you end up with extra money, or aren't using the money you have, you give it back and management finds another use for it. Management doesn't seem to keep a FIRM memory of what happened before: if you under-spent last year you can STILL get your FULL budget request if you argue for it effectively and your objective aligns with organizational goals. No one gets budget automatically.

      Budgeting's actually pretty enlightened, not the automatic stupidity you describe.

      --PM

    2. Re:Kind of echoes my experience as well... by erp_consultant · · Score: 1

      Well, that's a step in the right direction. But having rules in place and enforcing those rules are two different matters entirely. It's a big ship and it takes a long time to change the direction.

  15. Parkinson's Law by tomhath · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Government exemplifies Parkinson's Law. With essentially unlimited resources (just raise taxes) the bureaucracy can expand indefinitely until all "work" being done is perpetuating the bureaucracy and nothing useful is accomplished.

  16. get your mental back-light fixed by epine · · Score: 1, Informative

    He huge amount of time he spent trying to get things done made much of his time at ORI 'the very worst job I have ever had'.

    Have people stopped reading the last sentence of the typically summary altogether with the part of the brain that doesn't type?

    On a not-so-tangential side note, it would be nice in the eagerly awaited Beta Redux to be able to click preview prior to furnishing the subject line, and actually get the preview to go along with the lecture. Just about every time this happens to me I want to paste "cat got your tongue" into the subject line until I've actually seen the damn preview I requested, at which point I'm far less than entirely motivated to go back and remove the shim.

    It's like childhood. You ask a question. Someone corrects how you presented the question. The question itself never gets answered. If the question can't be properly understood, it needs to be addressed before diving off into an answer. If it's just a matter of persnicketty dress code, probably the answer needs to come first if you're raising a young scientist rather than a young bureauocrat.

    However, one must make an exception to this basis rule in extreme cases of shifting the burden: when someone publishes something for thousands to read, and every damn reader has to read the final sentence three times because you've changed "The" into "He"—a hundred times worse than the natural error "he"—which is enough to turn us all into syntactic Cylons.

    FFS whoever submitted that, get your mental back-light fixed.

    1. Re:get your mental back-light fixed by rnturn · · Score: 1

      I very nearly gave up on it when I saw "ORI". Shouldn't that "R" have been "S"? Or did the OP, all of a sudden, start talking about a different government office?

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  17. self-reply by epine · · Score: 1

    s/basis rule/basic rule

    That's a natural error, where my brain had the right word, and my speedy fingers went "close enough" as they often do when there's a hot, fresh, unfinished coffee on my desk they're trying to rush off and levitate.

    Semantic interference often contributes. I think my brain went square dancing for a brief moment with the Peano postulates.

  18. As director he should have directed otherwise by magarity · · Score: 2

    What good is it to be director of the agency if he couldn't streamline their processes? Don't like frivilous reports? Give bad performance reviews to people who write them. Don't like meetings? Remove all the chairs from meeting rooms. Etc.

  19. Re:True. Worst corporate bureaucracy = best govt b by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It would seem to me that the solution is to put an end to guarenteeing the jobs of Federal employees.

    Maybe the department would still be there next year, but the fear of individuals having their position removed or getting fired and replaced might be enough to keep things moving.

    Just my two cents -- I don't and never have worked for the government, so I can't say too much.

  20. Re:True. Worst corporate bureaucracy = best govt b by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I know of a large telecom operator that's been offering virtual datacenter services to its (also large) enterprise customers. There's this rumor that it takes the tech guy around 5 to 15 minutes to create a virtual machine for a customer...which is always preceded by 20 days of paperwork and approvals.

    ymmv

  21. Re:True. Worst corporate bureaucracy = best govt b by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
    You know, I think what got me was finding out that we actually have a federal position of: " U.S. government office that monitors scientific misconduct in biomedical research"

    Seriously, we have a paid staff looking into this?? WTF business is that of the federal govt?

    Seems like that should be something policed by the biomedical community, no?

    Is biomedical misconduct in research against the law or something???

    If not, what is the govt doing spending tax money on this?

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  22. Re:True. Worst corporate bureaucracy = best govt b by GerryGilmore · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd say that you're buying into the whole "governments are bad, mkay..." syndrome that affects a large swath of the population these days. In my experience, I've had great government work experiences and ultra-crappy private sector experiences and vice-versa. Perhaps the reason that government project failures get more attention is a combination of a very active propaganda machine always on the lookout for any government failure so that they can hype it mercilessly and that - overall - government projects tend to be larger. Just a thought....

  23. Re:True. Worst corporate bureaucracy = best govt b by MightyYar · · Score: 1

    I'd like to see a (I think) novel approach: contract the exact same job twice. Concoct some metrics for success and reward the contractor who "wins" each year with a bonus.

    You don't have to be too wasteful - the work can be divvied up so that you are not literally doing the work twice.

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  24. not a bad idea. 2X private. But paperwork! by raymorris · · Score: 2

    That may not be a bad idea, even if you are doing the same work twice. A project that Google or Apple would spend $100M on could pay $75M to the loser and $130M to the winner and still come out better than the current system.

    However, to make it worth doing for $150M, you'd need to seriously reduce the government paperwork and delays, the layers of approvals for little minor stuff. Where I work, a government agency, the budget specificity is maddening. The state approves $X million for new computers, I had to spend $4,800 on a new workstation even though the old one has 16GB of RAM, four monitors, etc. A few months later, my UPS battery went bad and needed a $25 replacement. It's been weeks and I'm still waiting for approval to replace the battery.

    My colleague saved $30,000 on a project by pointing out we had already purchased the thing we were supposed to spend $30,000 on. This is a big problem, trying to figure out how to send that $30,000 to /dev/null. We can't spend it on things we need, like batteries, because it's not approved for that use.

    1. Re:not a bad idea. 2X private. But paperwork! by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Yes, in this experiment, you'd be hoping that the incentive for the extra cash would outweigh the incentive to do funny business with the federal dollars. You'd have to keep a sharp eye on collusion above all else. I'm not saying it would work, but I think it would be an enlightening experiment. At first, do it on something like a highway and see what happens.

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    2. Re:not a bad idea. 2X private. But paperwork! by nmr_andrew · · Score: 1

      Yes, in this experiment, you'd be hoping that the incentive for the extra cash would outweigh the incentive to do funny business with the federal dollars. You'd have to keep a sharp eye on collusion above all else.

      Sadly, given human nature, the more money that's involved is likely to increase the chances of funny business - gotta keep those dollar coming! Not that I'm cynical or anything...

  25. Surprize! by BlazingATrail · · Score: 1

    It's government, what did you possibly think was going to happen?

  26. Re:True. Worst corporate bureaucracy = best govt b by ultranova · · Score: 1

    If the federal bureau of whatever doesn't get the job done ... nothing, they'll still be there next year.

    Because, as we all know, nations are eternal, can never collapse or experience hardship, and don't compete with each other.

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  27. Re:True. Worst corporate bureaucracy = best govt b by nmr_andrew · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, biomedical misconduct is against the law, especially when it's funded with federal dollars. ORI only investigates (when bureaucracy allows them to) alleged incidents that are reported to them which only applies to HHS funded research, which is mostly NIH funded research. So it's 100% the business of the federal government. A typical investigation doesn't cost the government that much, anyway, since a lot of it involves making the institution that was awarded the grant (typically a university) conduct most of the investigation and report back, and most will because they want to continue having their other investigators receive NIH funding. Not to mention the university doesn't want to have the reputation of having faculty who misrepresent their research.

    Now, if you want to argue that the government shouldn't be funding this research in the first place in which case this office wouldn't be necessary, that's a different story (although I personally disagree with that).

  28. Re:True. Worst corporate bureaucracy = best govt b by nmr_andrew · · Score: 1

    There is a push at the moment to replicate results, especially for potentially high impact studies. The problem is, who's going to pay for it? Granted, it should be cheaper to reproduce a result (or fail to do so) than it was to do the original research, but with the NIH payline currently only funding something like 12% of all proposals in the first place, which additional grants are you going to refuse to fund in order to do this? I really don't see the political will to change this, if anything the current budget's slight increase will keep things from getting worse w.r.t. funding. There's also the issue that "original" research is far sexier than reproducing other things.

    There's also an issue of WHO is going to do this. I think you'd need to set up an institute that does nothing but replicate results. No PI is going to spend 6-12 months and $10s of thousands doing work that is at most going to get a little note published saying "we got the same result" unless it's critically related to other things going on in the lab. Publish or perish, after all. Also, in niche fields, there may only be a few dozen individuals worldwide capable of doing the work.

    Finally, what if the research is on a rare disease that affects 10-20 people/year and requires enough subjects for a clinical trial? Where are you going to find a second set of individuals with the disease, who weren't part of the first trial and are both able and willing to take place in the second?

    Really, I'm not arguing that replication shouldn't be done, just trying to point out how impractical it can be.

  29. Re:True. Worst corporate bureaucracy = best govt b by pepty · · Score: 2

    I agree, it is a waste of time to investigate fraud. Every study should be independently replicated to catch all types of false results.

    It would be much more expensive to replicate each study than to investigate fraud; in some fields independent replication would be almost as expensive as the original. If we are going to flash anywhere near that amount of cash around I'd rather see grant proposals graded a bit more on bigger sample sizes and internal replication (reviewers could look at applicants' prior publications to see if they follow through on those promises) with funds increased accordingly. NIH could also have requirements for training in experimental design and data analysis for any grad students or postdocs that its grant money pays.

  30. How can you be scared of the Government? by number17 · · Score: 1

    I hear all the time that Americans are scared of their government. How can they be scared of a government that is apparently to inefficient to get something scary done?

    1. Re:How can you be scared of the Government? by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

      I think ogres have a similar rep.

  31. Re:True. Worst corporate bureaucracy = best govt b by khallow · · Score: 1

    And of course, mind-bogglingly vast government excess. That's a contributing factor too. When you do something for three orders of magnitude less than a corresponding government effort, here, launching an airship to 18 miles, 4 miles higher than anyone else, including two US defense companies has done, you tend to get cynical about such things.

    One of those defense companies, which was funded more than a billion dollars over the past couple of decades to develop high altitude airships, managed to hit about 4 miles before their 150 million dollar vehicle broke up. Sure, it had a bit more functionality, but "it works" beats functionality every time.

  32. Re:True. Worst corporate bureaucracy = best govt b by khallow · · Score: 1

    managed to hit about 6 miles

    Oops. I didn't remember the altitude correctly.

  33. Re:True. Worst corporate bureaucracy = best govt b by nmr_andrew · · Score: 1

    You know, it's not all or nothing. We can and should investigate allegations of fraud/misconduct, but you also bring up some other real problems.

    What you call p-hacking is a big problem in more biological/medical fields, I've seen a recent proposal for the grant agencies to fund and require someone be involved who actually understands statistics (and their limitations) with any project that's going to use p-values to "confirm" results.

    As for publication bias, I think this takes on 2 forms. The first is that something questionable gets published because the research is question is currently "hot", or because it's related to the editor's field. I'm really not sure how to deal with the first; most journals have multiple editors and I suppose you could recuse one in his/her own field, but at the same time that editor is best able to know who the external reviewers should be. Form #2 is more insidious; a paper gets published pretty much only because the lead investigator is a big name in the field, either solely because "he's big, this has to be good science" or because the editor/reviewer is afraid to recommend major changes or non-publication for fear of retaliation. I've seen this. The best solution, but one I fear most journals will be loathe to implement, is double blind reviewing where each paper is assigned a number when it gets to the editorial office and then the names are removed so it can be reviewed solely for the science. It's not perfect, and in many cases it's possible to have a strong suspicion which lab a paper came from, but would be a huge improvement over what we have now.

  34. NSA hasn't been shitcanned, WWI programs continue by raymorris · · Score: 1

    The NSA hasn't been cancelled, or even had a major budget cut. Ergo clearly bad government programs and agencies continue. Has even one person responsible for that mess been fired?

    "Temporary" programs designed to address conditions during the great depression continue to this day.

    Of course you can also find ridiculous examples of programs that worked well being shut down. It doesn't appear that there is any logic to it.

  35. Re:True. Worst corporate bureaucracy = best govt b by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    I'd say that you're buying into the whole "governments are bad, mkay..." syndrome that affects a large swath of the population these days

    If by "these days" you mean "all of human history and experience", then yes.

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  36. Re:NSA hasn't been shitcanned, WWI programs contin by ultranova · · Score: 1

    The NSA hasn't been cancelled, or even had a major budget cut. Ergo clearly bad government programs and agencies continue. Has even one person responsible for that mess been fired?

    Why would they be? The NSA "gets the job done". The job it's doing is dirty, but the fault for that lies on the feet of the people who gave it its mandate - ultimately American people.

    Besides, even if the NSA was destroyed, the problem that gave it birth would still exist: taking national security to be a concern overriding all other considerations, including rights of individuals. As long as America is more important than Americans, something like the NSA will always exist.

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  37. The world is colapse due to dumb over powering sma by ralphaostrander · · Score: 1

    The income gap got so wide that education could not out pace dumb. And it will pull down everything except very small pockets of ultra rich. The world will be right back in the dark ages I have no idea what we will call it. But it is happening so fast we no longer have graves for them all and cremation is now the norm.

  38. hard for very large organizations to be efficient by macraig · · Score: 1

    And yet, in spite of your accurate assessment, there are still legions of dogmatic libertarians and "conservatives" who resolutely insist that Big Government is inefficient and evil but Big Business is saintly and svelte and can efficiently solve all the world's problems where those inefficiently evil governments are doomed to fail.

    To those dogmatists I ask a simple question: when have you ever seen a business who customer base was exactly the size of the entire United States population? Or asked another way, if we scaled your eternally efficient business up to the size of the networking nightmare required to serve such a huge clientele such a diverse array of products and services, would your business still be more efficient?

  39. Structural unemployment and AI and robotics by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    "The US economy is rapidly splitting in two, into a blue-collar/lower education economy where unemployment is high and job prospects are low; and a white-collar/higher education economy where unemployment is low and that's where all the growth is happening (tech, finance, etc.)"

    I agree the first one is not coming back, but as I see it, the second one is mostly going away too. To over-simplify, robotics eliminated blue collar jobs, but AI eliminates white collar jobs. A "basic income" is one solution to this. Below is a further elaboration on that theme.

    Blue collar jobs making and mending things (and some "pink collar" service jobs like massage, hair cutting, bartending, nursing, and waitressing) are eliminated (or greatly reduced) by robotics and similar automation that can recognize and manipulate physical things (or empower one person to do more, like a powered exoskeleton or semi-autonomous welding rigs requiring only partial supervision). Better design of tools and products (including eventually 3D printing) also reduce such jobs by making "DIY" easier or making products that last longer or are easier to assemble and install yourself (like "John Guest" plumbing connections that press together).

    White collar jobs and some other "service jobs" (like librarians, accountants, insurance agents, travel agents, system administrators, managers, teachers, radiologists, telemarketers, telephone-based support positions) are eliminated by AI and lesser programs that can recognize and manipulate information, or at least amplify the ability of an individual to "Do it yourself" like tax software. Again, even if they don't replace such jobs, they can empower one person to do what used to take dozens of people.

    There is some overlap because most jobs in practice have a variety of aspects. Radiologists work mostly with visual patterns, for example, so software for robot vision is affecting them. Hair styling requires creative application of general principles to an individual with a certain shape of head and character of hair, so AI may be an important aspect for planing overall strategy. Improved telephone support may require recognizing human speech and holding a conversation.

    So, the value of hiring a human for any job is going to diminish over time as robotics, AI, ad other automation improves. We saw that first in agriculture (in the USA, going from 90% of employment to 2% over two centuries while output grows, although gardening remains a popular hobby). Now we are seeing it in manufacturing (in the USA, going from about 35% to 15% over 50 years and still falling while output grows, and while the hobby maker movement rises). We will see that with white color jobs too. That is why we need a healthy mix of basic income, an expanded gift economy, improved subsistence, and more participatory democratic government planning.

    By the way, it is true the USA imports more and more manufactured goods like from China. However, the smaller national US workforce still produces more than ever as well. The USA may bring those manufacturing back from China, but there will not be significantly more jobs from it because such jobs will be automated. Steve Jobs said this about Apple's manufacturing for example. The choice is between using humans acting like robots for pay in China (and shipping costs etc.) versus using real robots in the USA. Even China is automating to reduce labor costs. More discussion:
    http://www.theatlantic.com/bus...
    http://www.theatlantic.com/bus...

    Other issues make this worse, such as ultimately limited demand for most goods and services with a law of diminishing returns, as well as money supply issues as most money moves to a mostly zero-sum FIRE sector casino economy concentrated in fewer and fewer hands and away from most human

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  40. Beyond a Jobless Recovery by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    See my reply here agreeing with your main points:
    http://politics.slashdot.org/c...

    Here is an essay I put together with about 100 positive and negative responses to the situation.
    http://pdfernhout.net/beyond-a...
    "There are a large number of possible cures that can be tried either to create jobs or to deal with the problems posed by widespread chronic unemployment, each with various different long term societal consequences (both good and bad). There are also other possible economic models like a gift economy, a resource-based economy, a basic income economy where paid employment is not required to obtain basic goods and services, or a Gandhian swadeshi ecovillage economy that emphasizes community and family over abstract exchange. Some heterodox economists suggest moving towards those as another possible approach for dealing with the problems posed by a jobless recovery and other related economic issues like social equity and sustainability.
    There is a paradox that many people may be happier with more free time to spend with friends, families, and hobbies, if they still can acquire the basic goods and services they need somehow -- but this positive increase in satisfaction might appear as negative economic indicators like a shrinking GDP or a continually increasing unemployment rate. Also, not all jobs created by a recovery are equal in terms of their implications for overall societal well being (for example, more prison guard jobs may indicate some other social dysfunction is taking place). ...
    Here is a list of possible ways to deal with joblessness.[53] Some "cures" emerge mostly on their own; some require political action to start or to prevent. This list is intended to be complete in order to help in understanding the interaction between social changes and job creation; not all possibilities are desirable by most societies. The ones in the first half of the list (like wage subsidies, a shorter work week, or a basic income) in general would usually be considered more positive and adaptive responses than the ones in the second half of the list (like war, escapism, and luddism), although actual preferences or ordering of desirability and acceptability may vary depending on political beliefs and feelings about things like government intervention and taxation. Many of the items in the second half of the list have profit-making aspects for some individuals within the current economic system, although usually directly at the cost of others in society (like crime). Not all items on this list are compatible with each other. Not all might be considered moral or would be legal under international law or existing trade agreements. Some of these "cures" create new jobs (like public works), others make it easier to survive without a job (like frugality), others eliminate the unemployed individuals from the official statistics in various ways (like prisons), others in some way destroy abundance which has a side effect of creating jobs to build it back up (war), and some allow someone unemployed to take a job that someone else was doing but who no longer can do the job anymore for various reasons (like mandatory retirement). Some of the "cures" that help individuals survive without a job may actually increase the unemployment rate as they reduce demand for items in the market place produced by paid employment, contributing to overall increased joblessness even as the individual may be helped locally. Because these items may interact in unexpected ways, and people have many different feelings about them as different groups may benefit or be harmed in different ways, and many vested interests are involved, it is challenging for any economist, political scientist, politician or private citizen to make sense of all these issues or to pick a best way forward, even though people are trying in various ways to do that.[

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  41. diseconomies of scale, owner-agent problem by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 1

    Besides the somewhat obvious problem that with size comes not only economies of scale, but also diseconomies of scale, where things get harder to do, the bigger the organization. This is in part due to the "owner-agent problem". Unless the managers and owners are the same people, you have to deal with making the incentives for the managers align with those of the owners -- and make the incentives of the managers subordinates align, too. You have to take precautions against dishonesty, sloppiness, sloth. At some point, the effects of the economies of scale may get swamped by the diseconomies of scale, and getting bigger means getting less profitable (or less effective, if profit is not the objective). A company that fails goes bankrupt, and goes away. (Or, less ideally, gets bailed out by the government.) Its assets get sold to new owners, and its employees get hired by new employers, presumably better ones. If not, they go toes up, too. Failing government bureaucracies, on the other hand, don't generally get shut down. I'm hard-pressed to give an example of one, at the federal level. The FSLIC, perhaps. (Or did it just get folded into the FDIC, or some other quasi-independent government "corporation"?) There might be some at the state or local level.

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