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Russian GLONASS Down For 12 Hours
An anonymous reader writes "In an unprecedented total disruption of a fully operational GNSS constellation, all satellites in the Russian GLONASS broadcast corrupt information for 11 hours, from just past midnight until noon Russian time (UTC+4), on April 2 (or 5 p.m. on April 1 to 4 a.m. April 2, U.S. Eastern time). This rendered the system completely unusable to all worldwide GLONASS receivers."
maybe.
Newer phones have location chipsets that support both GPS and GLONASS. Do they figure out automatically that the GLONASS information is bad and switch to using GPS exclusively?
I've noticed much increased performance since I upgraded to a phone that uses both systems, especially in cities with a lot of tall buildings like NYC and Chicago.
The system shutting down while still broadcasting "gibberish" seems awfully inconvenient. Sure they just didn't switch to encrypted transmissions?
Did not mean to cross the Ukrainian border, satnav was broken.
Careful when you shoot across bows. World Wars are easy to start, not always so easy to finish the way you want them to.
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
Over a GPS satellite? Not likely.
I used them along with the US GPS satellites, until a couple months back, but found I was having some serious accuracy issues. Disabling them resolved the issue and I haven't used them since. GPSr unit: Garmin Oregon 600
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
Careful when you shoot across bows. World Wars are easy to start, not always so easy to finish the way you want them to.
I doubt the US would do it, if we did want to disable it for any reason, such as missile guidance, we wouldn't tip our hand so casually.
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When all their guided missiles rely on said system? I'd call that a major breach of national security
Until very recently the US would intentionally degrade the GPS signal to all but military traffic (all the time). Considering the major military actions going on in the Ukraine by Russia one could suppose this is actually the case, particularly if perhaps the Ukraine military also uses the same system... I would not be terribly surprised if this is the case. The US did the same when they invaded Iraq.
Unless the gibberish it was transmitting was: 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42. Then someone needs to press a damn button!
Wishful thinking. Playing around with Russia in 2014 is very different from doing so with Iraq in 1991. You would have to be insane to do that and believe that they would not respond in kind or worse. More likely to the result of an internal update.
Anyone else think this is a shot across the Russian bow? Demonstrating to the Russians that the US really does control space even if we have to bum rides to ISS at the moment?
Seriously? The US does not even control its inner cities. Have you been in Detroit, in Trenton, etc. lately?
Instead of such "Star Wars" the money could be better spent to tackle the severe social problems at home.
Actually, most of their high value missiles use inertial navigation- just like those of every other country. Nobody trusts navigation satellites for anything more important than short and medium range cruise missiles.
YOU get lost.
The scary thing about Russia is that they don't need guided missiles to burn the world. They have enough nuclear bombs that they can just point all of them in a general direction and assume at least some of them will hit there targets.
I suggest you read up how WW-I was started over nothing.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Now we know why that US DOD mini shuttle was up for so long, recently. It was hacking into the Russian satellites.
"We have nothing in common, your attitude annoys me, and your political views are appalling."
"Seriously? The US does not even control its inner cities. Have you been in Detroit, in Trenton, etc. lately? "
If you dont think this is intentional then you are nuts. they know that these cities are out of control cesspools, and it is intentional they are still that way. We have the resources to clean them up and restore order easily, but you don't have a easily controlled scared populace when you do that. DC is a cesspool because it is more effective to have an element of fear to point at to help shove things down the public's throats. Like the PATRIOT act for example.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Actually, it was last weeks NCIS:LA "Zero Days", which aired 3/25/14, and involved the NCIS techies corrupting GLONASS to divert a missile aimed at San Francisco. See TVRage
There's no money in that.
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
How is this possible?! NCIS:LA's Eric totally fixed the zero day in GLONASS on episode 5x18! During a gun battle on a roof no less!
“Bad ephemerides were uploaded to satellites. Those bad ephemerides became active at 1:00 am Moscow time,” reported one knowledgeable source.
It still could have be the US, who knows.
So much speculation from people who do not appear to have even read the article.
FTA: “Bad ephemerides were uploaded to satellites. Those bad ephemerides became active at 1:00 am Moscow time... a GLONASS fix could not take effect until each satellite in turn passed back over control stations in the Northern Hemisphere to be reset, thus taking nearly 12 hours.”
The article concludes that the outage was probably due to a human error which "...could conceivably occur with GPS, Galileo, or BeiDou" and advises consumers not to rely on only one system.
My [completely uninformed and speculative] guess is that the Russians probably rushed a software update to meet some military deadline and it backfired on them - now Putin's troops amassed along the Ukrainian boarder may have to do without whatever feature they were trying to quickly enable.
So no one else could it. Might have been something to do with Ukraine issue.
If you're suggesting that a single assassination was the reason for starting it, you may wish to go read some more about it. The major players had been itching for a fight for decades. It was essentially an attempt to resolve differences left from the Prussian wars of the 1860s-1870s, which set the stage for 120 years of a crapsack continent.
My heart goes out to the Russian Resistance team for their downtime.
Gee, I feel better already.....
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
And presumably missiles are designed to failover to other forms of navigation if the GPS is being disrupted or at odds with other navigational hints the missile might be programmed with such as terrain contours.
"hit there targets". Their, their, their, THEIR! Basic kingergarten-level knowledge. Damn idiocracy. 10 years from now, everyone will spell "right" as "rite" and posts complaining about it will get downvoted. Mark my words. (after all, most people already think "definitely" is spelled "definately", and can't tell the difference between "doing good" and "doing well")
And the world right now is all peace and love?
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The editors realize that Russia spans 9 time zones right? I think they meant to say Moscow Time. Can you imagine if an article was posted referring to American Time as a time zone?
Unlikely... More likely it's them checking their (not announced) scrambling works, ready for an invasion.
Just sayin'.
Or Russian Wodka. It would give them a good excuse to take over Ukraine by accident - sorry wrong turn!
One person's gibberish is another's encrypted data. Perhaps Russia was testing a encrypted "secure" mode that would switch to in time on conflict, such as an invasion or something like that.
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Russia is not the only country capable of this type of action. After all how much precision is really necessary when you are dealing with nukes?
Obviously not, but from the 1930-to-1955 period had between eighty and 100 million dead. Relatively speaking, things are safer.
There is always an excuse when you make a mistake.
Should I respond to your error with a rant on spelling?
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It was. The chain of event that follow the assassination were a pretty rapid and unlikely chain of events to have happened without that assassination.
If you are curious, reading the account of what was happening the day the Archduke Franz Ferdinand was assassinated is a comedy of errors.
It's also highly unlikely the WWII would have happened without WWI, since there would not have been the poverty and economic status Hitler used to gain power.
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Actually, it's easier to manipulate comfortable people who feel safe. When was the last time a government was overthrown because it's populace was secure and well fed?
The PATRIOT act was easy because of 9/11. Not becasue states won't take care of their cities.
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The cities are part of a state and the state responsibility. The military is a federal organization.
The government of Michigan is letting those people down, not the feds.
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Is it possible that GLONASS went into fully encrypted mode? Sort of like GPS did partially during the first Gulf War? It is made for the Russian military, you know. Perhaps they are about ready to invade the Ukraine.... ;-(
It will be interesting times ahead. The US used to get away with so much of it's foreign policy because of the mythic aura of the American-Dream that made it so palatable to poor developing countries. With the recent constant revelations of just how hypocritical the US is, and the fact they're running out of countries that they haven't fucked over, they're losing their carefully built image and status as "policer-of-the-free-world". It'll be fun to see just how far the bullies will go now that they realize there is no functional deterrent to their actions.
...unless you take out their gps...
Don't complain about syntax, grammar, or spelling. There is no.hell like input on android.
Following GLONASS directions on your Garmin gets you lost....
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You're right, we'd make it look like Chinese hackers did it...
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Impossible means not yet done." ~~ Julia Ecklar
For those of us who don't have any idea what GNSS or GLONASS stand for...it would really be nice to tell us what the hell this article is actually about.
GNSS = global navigation satellite system
GLONASS = "acronym for Globalnaya navigatsionnaya sputnikovaya sistema or Global Navigation Satellite System, is a space-based satellite navigation system operated by the Russian Aerospace Defence Forces. It provides an alternative to Global Positioning System (GPS) and is the only alternative navigational system in operation with global coverage and of comparable precision."
Oh, so it's GPS. See how easy that was?
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Glasnost seems to be dead too.
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Sorry, I'm only a 1336 h4x0r.
If you are a civilian that is close to an area, you should feel better. Less chance of civilian casualty.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
It wasn't the timing data that was bad, it was the ephemeris. Which is computed periodically by the ground controllers and just repeated by the satellite.
Modern satellites can operate for quite a while without updates, by using a pre-programmed series of predicted ephemerides. But that doesn't protect them from a corrupted update.
Apparently what happened was a bad upload, and they had to wait for the satellites to complete an orbit (12 hours) and come back in view of the control station to receive a corrected upload.
"In an unprecedented total disruption of a fully operational GNSS constellation, all satellites in the Russian GLONASS broadcast corrupt information for 11 hours [...] This rendered the system completely unusable to all worldwide GLONASS receivers."
Ok! Ok! I must have, I must have put a decimal point in the wrong place or something. Shit. I always do that. I always mess up some mundane detail.
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
My spelling mistake was just a mistype on Samsung's stupid virtual keyboard. But if you confuse "there" with "their", it means that, for you, use of english is nothing more than parroting a bunch or sounds
ROFL.... "my mistake was the computer's fault, your mistake was a sign of your intellectual inadequacy".
Or perhaps the OP also has a virtual keyboard (or some other not-terribly-bright auto-correct mechanism) that auto-converted a slight misspelling of "their" (e.g. "ther") into "there" and wasn't noticed in time.
But don't let that stop you from telling the OP how superior your language skills are to his. You clearly are a prodigy, that's why you get to post to Slashdot.
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
If you dont think this is intentional then you are nuts
Of course it's intentional but not for the reason you think. The reason that Detroit, Trenton and (at least previously) DC were/are cesspools is because of the evil force known as democracy. The residents of those cities and states voted for crap politicians who drove their respective areas into the ground economically. Nobody from outside imposed Marion Barry or Kwame Kilpatrick onto their cities, and nobody had to nefariously conspire to make them suck, they did that perfectly well on their own. Externalities can hurt a city or state, but to get it into Detroit territory you have to actively keep making it worse on your own - and the residents of those areas have nobody but their own votes to thank for it.
Seriously... not EVERYTHING is a gubmint conspiracy. Sometimes it's just stupid people electing terrible leaders, and that's the downside of democracy that comes along with all the other good stuff. Ask the people of Venezuela how electing people who promise free goodies works out in the long run.
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That's a relief. Everywhere I go I'm close to an area. It's like I'm surrounded.
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I'm afraid that I most commonly see "definitely" written as "defiantly", which leads to some strange initial interpretations before I fix things up:
"I am defiantly hungry!"
Where have you been for the past couple of decades? The US has gotten more blatant in it's actions. It is these very overt actions, without significant outcry from other countries, that is leading the other Big Powers to feel confident in making overt moves as well.
It will be interesting times ahead. The US used to get away with so much of it's foreign policy because of the mythic aura of the American-Dream that made it so palatable to poor developing countries.
No, the US used to get away with so much of it's foreign policy because the idea of foreign aid and economic trade with America made it very palatable to poor developing countries. See how everyone is starting to bend over backward to China as it begins to assert its economic weight.
With the recent constant revelations of just how hypocritical the US is, and the fact they're running out of countries that they haven't fucked over, they're losing their carefully built image and status as "policer-of-the-free-world".
What rock have *you* been living under for the last 100 years? Have you been paying any attention at all to US foreign policy in Latin America and the Middle East for, I don't know, the last century? Has there been a time when the US hasn't acted exactly as it has? Has there been one significant change in dipping their toes in other countries' affairs? The only change, ever, has been international press coverage of events. People interested in foreign policy have always seen the US for exactly what it is - it's just until 20 years ago there was a Soviet Union and a Warsaw Pact that made the US much more endearing.
It'll be fun to see just how far the bullies will go now that they realize there is no functional deterrent to their actions.
...unless you take out their gps...
Which is exactly as far as they would have gone before! Do you think bullshit brush wars are a new thing? Or that developed countries with strong militaries intervening in neighboring countries with weak ones is new, either? Wake up. The only international law worth a damn is the international law that's enforced at the point of a gun.
Light a fire for a man and he'll be warm for a day. Light a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Have you even been to DC? The vast majority of DC is a pretty cool place to live. When I lived there the only thing that vaguely made me feel threatened was terrorists with airplanes, anthrax and the sniper, who was from out of town.
Or Russian Wodka. It would give them a good excuse to take over Ukraine by accident - sorry wrong turn!
They've already used that excuse, without the vodka: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_submarine_S-363
"hit there targets". Their, their, their, THEIR! Basic kingergarten-level knowledge. Damn idiocracy. 10 years from now, everyone will spell "right" as "rite" and posts complaining about it will get downvoted. Mark my words. (after all, most people already think "definitely" is spelled "definately", and can't tell the difference between "doing good" and "doing well")
It's even worse than that. There/their/they're confusion has been around a long time, but what just baffles me is that younger people today actually think that "prolly" is a real word. I talked to a relative who is in college right now and pointed out to him that "prolly" wasn't a real word and it was "probably" and he looked just shocked as he replied to me that he did not ever recall seeing the word "probably" in his life.
Muphry's Law
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Even speaking maximally literally, I wouldn't call the future king being assassinated "nothing." Whether they thought the country the assassin was from had knowledge of his actions is another question.
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With a pistol, Princip shot and killed Franz Ferdinand and his wife Sophie. The reaction among the people in Austria was mild, almost indifferent. As historian Zbynk Zeman later wrote, "the event almost failed to make any impression whatsoever. On Sunday and Monday [June 28 and 29], the crowds in Vienna listened to music and drank wine, as if nothing had happened."
Escalation of violence in Bosnia and Herzegovina
However, in Sarajevo itself, Austrian authorities encouraged[32][33] violence against the Serb residents, which resulted in the Anti-Serb riots of Sarajevo, in which Croats and Bosnian Muslims killed two ethnic Serbs and damaged numerous Serb-owned buildings. The events have been described as having the characteristics of a pogrom. Writer Ivo Andri referred to the violence as the "Sarajevo frenzy of hate."[34] Violent actions against ethnic Serbs were organized not only in Sarajevo, but also in many other large Austro-Hungarian cities in modern-day Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Hmm. Looks like the Balkans were up to their usual hijinks. 80 years later and they went and did the same thing(ish). Sigh.
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Anyways, until recently, the regular population of most countries actually still believed that the "American" way was honourable and something to strive towards.
Don't complain about syntax, grammar, or spelling. There is no.hell like input on android.
I sense the shadowy hand of Lighthouse behind this :P
It was. The chain of event that follow the assassination were a pretty rapid and unlikely chain of events to have happened without that assassination.
Erm, no.
There had been an arms race between the European powers for decades before WWI, building more battleships, developing machine guns, bigger artillery pieces. Beyond this, the powers were signing mutual defence pacts. The assassination of Arch Duke Ferdinand was merely the spark that ignited the powder keg. The war was pretty inevitable due to the background behind it. Germany and England (as well as everyone else) was spoiling for a fight. If it weren't for Austria being backed by Germany Prussia and Italy and Serbia being backed up by Russia, UK and France the war between the two would likely not have started, but because both sides had the backing of major powers, they were both extremely belligerent and of course their allies were more than happy to get into the fight. Arch Duke Ferdinand was assassinated on 28 June 1914, the Austro-Hungarian empire declared war on 28 July 1914. What happened in between was a month of diplomacy, however this failed because each side had more interest in war than peace. The assassination in the end, was just an excuse for a war the European powers had been preparing for, for decades.
It's also highly unlikely the WWII would have happened without WWI, since there would not have been the poverty and economic status Hitler used to gain power.
Here I'd say you were half right. Hitler did use poverty and the dissatisfaction of the people with the government to seize power relatively bloodlessly. however it wasn't WWI directly that was the cause, rather the lopsided treaty of Versailles that kept Germany in poverty and the allies, specifically France and Russia were the instigators. Germany was lumped with war debts it couldn't pay so it made the perfect environment for an ultra nationalist party to come in and gain the popularity of the people by blaming all their problems on outside sources (and the Jews).
Churchill attributed the start of WWII directly to the treaty of Versailles. Rather than it being WWI that saw the rise of extreme nationalism in Germany, it was the allies treatment of the Germans after WWI that created the environment that allowed Nationalism to rise.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
LOL. Yeah, typing that in quickly on a droid can be difficult.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Calm down, it's just missing a comma:
"Hit there, targets!"
In Soviet Russia, targets hit you!
From Stargate SG1:
"Plausible deniability. In the event of a future breach of security, we'll be able to point to this television program. That is, if it stays on the air." - Hammond
Well they sure solved that last part... fast turnaround times. I wonder who had the idea first.. (i hope the engineers that developed it)
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