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DC Revolving Door: Ex-FCC Commissioner Is Now Head CTIA Lobbyist

jfruh (300774) writes "Up until three years ago, Meredith Attwell Baker was an Obama-appointed FCC commissioner. Now she's the newly minted CEO of the CTIA, the nation's largest lobbying group for the mobile phone industry. How can we expect regulators to keep a careful watch over industries when high-paying jobs in those industries await them after retirement? One of the most damning sentences in that article: 'More than 80 percent of FCC commissioners since 1980 have gone on to work for companies or groups in the industries they used to regulate.'"

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  1. Re:80% of people working in a field by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    wow. being purposefully ignorant is twice as blissful.

  2. What's the problem? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    98% of the voters approve... You gotta give them what they ask for, or they might end up voting for somebody else, right?

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    1. Re:What's the problem? by bobbied · · Score: 1

      98% of the voters approve... You gotta give them what they ask for, or they might end up voting for somebody else, right?

      Where are you getting the 98% number?

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    2. Re:What's the problem? by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      2012 election... 51.1% democrat + 47.2% republican = 98.3%

      I'm off by 0.3%. Sue me...

      Congressional reelection rate around 91%

      Yes, the voters most definitely approve, despite all their whining.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    3. Re:What's the problem? by PortHaven · · Score: 1

      Well, when they have passes laws preventing any alternatives. What choice do you have?

      And you're doing your math wrong. You are saying 98% of voters support it. But you're forgetting that the percentage of voters is rather low, around 50% of eligible voters. And lower than 2004 and 2008. So in that regards, at least half the population has voted NO to the Democrats and Republicans.

      http://www.abc15.com/news/nati...

    4. Re:What's the problem? by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      I only counted the ballots. If the people who don't vote disapprove, then they need to raise their voices, otherwise they get written off, rightly or wrongly, as lazy and apathetic.

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    5. Re:What's the problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Incumbent congress critters get re-elected because:
      "everyone but MY congress critter is the problem!"
      "it's the idiots from [$STATE | $REGION | $COAST] that are screwing everything up!"

    6. Re:What's the problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they just voted NO to being engaged in the process. They voted YES for apathy.

      Doesn't stop them from bitching, though.

    7. Re:What's the problem? by bobbied · · Score: 2

      Huh? Dang clever there with your figures..

      Just to throw a spanner into all this math you are doing... I voted in 2012, and along with almost half of the actual voters here, do not approve of what this administration is currently doing... Just ask Cruz, I voted for him too. Was I in the 2%? No, there where a lot more than 2% who voted as I did, even nation wide. In total, it was within 5% on the national race for president, and many of the elections for congress finished within 10% (Even the with his gaff, Akin only lost by about 12%). Harry Reid was only 6% over his challenger in 2010.

      So, I consider your 98% number a bit misleading. The actual segment of the population that made the choice we now live with is vanishingly narrow. Yea, there are some places where the outcome is pretty much set (Say the Texas Governor's race, which will go republican by something approaching 20%), but in a lot of places this margin is a lot closer. It is the people in the middle who actually make the choice.

      So, if you look at the swing voters, the people really making the decision are usually less than 10%, which is totally different from your number.

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    8. Re:What's the problem? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      If you vote democrat or republican you are part of that 98%.

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    9. Re:What's the problem? by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Nice try... I didn't approve of most of this and voted accordingly but my view didn't prevail. Nearly 50% of voters didn't approve of it either. Then figure not everybody voted last time and there is NO WAY 98% agreed to anything.

      What's that saying?

      There are Lies, damn lies, and statistics?

      or was it?

      Figures never lie, but lairs figure..

      Full Stop..

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    10. Re:What's the problem? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      If you voted for a democrat or republican then you do approve. If you didn't, then you don't. 98% of the counted ballots indicate full approval. That leaves less than 2% that didn't approve and voted accordingly for somebody different. It is illogical and irrational to vote for something you disapprove of, unless, of course, you are playing the "lesser evil" charade.

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  3. Re:80% of people working in a field by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's still a conflict of interest and ripe for quid pro quo job opportunities. Essentially, don't make our company suffer and we'll land you a lucrative job you'll be able to retire on once you leave government.

  4. Re:80% of people working in a field by CmdrEdem · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That is not the issue. The issue is if the regulator, instead of stopping abuse, let it slide for the promise of a future high paying job. In my book that is bribery, and I'm sure many people agrees with me.

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  5. Re:80% of people working in a field by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So how much did you send to the Obama campaign?

  6. Re:80% of people working in a field by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What I can't put my finger on is exactly when this behavior and conflict of interest in general because fine. It's rife throughout government. We see it in a big way in the SCOTUS, and the state governments are even worse than the federal government. But *NO ONE* seems to care. This wasn't the same in the 70s and 80s, or perhaps it was and the difference is that these idiots aren't even embarrassed by it any more.

  7. Re:80% of people working in a field by jythie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Regulator and lobbyists do not have a 'field', their skills are not related to any particular domain or technology. They could leave the FCC and go work for the farm industry and have pretty much the same transferability.

    This is rewarding regulators with well paying jobs.

  8. Re:80% of people working in a field by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They have an incentive not just to 'let it slide' but to actively help the telcos just to ensure any kind of job security.

  9. where else is she supposed to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if all she knows is telecom, then it makes sense that she would go work at a telecom lobby. She was a top dog in the FCC, dozens of companies probably tried to hire her for name recognition.

    The cream rises to the top. In charge here, switch jobs, go be in charge there.

    Should she have to start at the bottom everywhere she goes to work?

    STUPID ARTICLE

    1. Re:where else is she supposed to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You Winner!

      CORPORATE WHORE

    2. Re:where else is she supposed to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      agreed, it may seem sinister but the issue should not be what they do afterwards it should be what they do while in charge. Would the hiring company really want to hire them if they were aware of this person being corrupt and accepting bribes? seems to me if they did their job with integrity and represented the interests of their employer that may make them more desirable to the company interested in them i mean really who says "hey remember that government guy that we gave cookies too so that he would allow us to build a factory that runs on ground up babies lets put him in charge and hope he doesn't sell us out for something shinny"

    3. Re:where else is she supposed to work by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      If they accepted bribes in the form of a well-paying job after leaving the regulatory position ,and if that new job has no access or authority sufficient to harm the new employer, then yes. The whole issue here is the perception if not the actual action of the job being the bribe.

    4. Re:where else is she supposed to work by hypergreatthing · · Score: 1

      She should be barred for life for working at any companies that were affected by the regulatory body she was in charge of for at least 5 years.
      It's a conflict of interest otherwise. You cannot regulate an industry for the best interest of citizens while being in bed with the same people you plan on regulating.

    5. Re:where else is she supposed to work by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      She should be barred for life...for at least 5 years.

      What?

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    6. Re:where else is she supposed to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And sentenced to life in prison, but only for 5 years.

  10. Lets not forget Tom Wheeler by bleh-of-the-huns · · Score: 4, Informative

    The current FCC Chairman was a paid lobbyist for the Telecommunications industry before he became the FCC chair....

    As long as our politicians are bought and paid for, things will never change for the better.

    I mean the recent issue with Verizon and the state of NJ, NJ let them off the hook for not building out the infrastructure promised in the early 90's by a mere technicality by considering heavily capped LTE as an alternative to wiring the entire state. Then stating that they would wire areas that do not have wireless service, only if 35 or more people request it.. except they know that wireless reaches every spot in NJ where there is no VZ service, so it is a cop out, they know, the PUC knows it, and how anyone in their right mind could possibly think that this is good for consumers. This only benefits the telecoms.

    This is what we have in stall for our FCC chairs of the future.. not exactly this scenario, but people that would vote in a similar vein under the pretense it is good for the consumer.

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    1. Re:Lets not forget Tom Wheeler by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Crony Politics as usual.. Actually, worse than usual for DC, unless you are from Chicago, in which case it looks like the wind driven snow...

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    2. Re:Lets not forget Tom Wheeler by yuhong · · Score: 1

      Seems like he left the CTIA in 2004. IMO, he should be at the bottom of the list, if at all.

  11. Lobbyists will not run my White House by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Anyone remember who said that?

    I seem to remember a President saying that.

    Who could it have been?

    1. Re:Lobbyists will not run my White House by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Hey now.. They don't RUN the place... Yet.... At least that's the story.

      This is Crony politics as usual...

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  12. Democracy by asmkm22 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And this is one of the many reasons why the US really isn't a democracy.

    1. Re:Democracy by kwiqsilver · · Score: 1, Informative

      The US isn't supposed to be a democracy, it's a republic.

      In a democracy, majorities can impose their will on minorities, no matter how stupid, or evil their ideas. In a republic, the constitution is supposed to limit the power of the government.

      Unfortunately though, this is exactly what a representative democracy turns into: as long as the corrupt politician can convince 51% of his buddies to vote for his boondoggle (usually by promising to vote for theirs in return), it passes.

    2. Re:Democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In a democracy, majorities can impose their will on minorities, no matter how stupid, or evil their ideas. In a republic, the constitution is supposed to limit the power of the government.

      Three words: Gay. Marriage. Bans.

      Three more: Creationism. Science. Class.

      Four more: Abstinence. Only. Sex. Education.

      Sorry bub, but it's happening anyway. Because, quite frankly, your government is ignoring your constitution anyway. And the Christian right has no problem imposing their will on the rest of society.

      You are neither a democracy nor a republic, you are an oligarchy, you just don't seem to know it yet.

    3. Re:Democracy by tomhath · · Score: 1

      Not sure what you mean by that. But compromises have to be made in any form of government, especially in a Democracy. Allowing people to move back and forth from government to private industry is one of the compromises needed to make both work reasonably well. Would it be this way in a perfect society? Perhaps, perhaps not. We'll never know because there will never be one.

    4. Re:Democracy by bobbied · · Score: 2

      And this is one of the many reasons why the US really isn't a democracy.

      Being nit picky... The USA is not and it's never been a democracy. We where founded as a constitutional representative republic, which is decidedly NOT a democracy.

      What are they teaching in school these days? We tried democracy, determined it didn't work very well for large groups. So the founders went with a representative republic instead. Kids...

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    5. Re:Democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so the original comment should have said "... why the US doesnt have representation from representatives" . It is an oligarchy, which is only representative to a highly select few.

    6. Re:Democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Aside from the usual "Democracy"/"Republic" semantic reminders we have on every story, can we start reminding people that the USA is Lesterland?

      Once enough people appreciate this point maybe we can move to fix it. As Larry says in his TED talk, no matter what your cause is, you'll need to put this first.

      lesterland.lessig.org

    7. Re:Democracy by kwiqsilver · · Score: 1

      I never said it is a republic, I said supposed to be. It is a fascist, crony-laden representative democracy. It is the system Alexander Hamilton, and later the whigs and early republicans, dreamed of.

      I am not any form of government, I am a human. The government that claims dominion over the land where I live and spend most of my days abandoned being an oligarchy long ago, it is now becoming a fascist police state. But then authoritarianism of one form or another is always the end state for any government.

      Ours did hold out for almost two centuries though, which is more than most. Hopefully the growing mistrust of the people toward the TSA, NSA, IRS, ATF, ACA, CIA, FRB, and all the other acronyms of evil (AOE?) will cause a push from statism back toward liberty.

    8. Re:Democracy by tomhath · · Score: 1

      The US isn't supposed to be a democracy, it's a republic.

      Republic is a type of Democracy.

    9. Re:Democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this is one of the many reasons why the US really isn't a democracy.

      Oh come on now, this is obviously just a coincidence. After all the Supreme Court recently said that unlimited bribery of politicians cannot ever result in corruption . . .

    10. Re:Democracy by kwiqsilver · · Score: 2

      That's absolutely false. A democracy is a majority rules system. A republic is a system where the government is limited in the powers it can exercise.

      The founding fathers of the US knew the difference. Most of them despised the idea of democracy, because they knew it would devolve into corruption.

    11. Re:Democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'The United States is the world's oldest surviving federation. It is a constitutional republic and representative democracy, "in which majority rule is tempered by minority rights protected by law"' Scheb, John M.; Scheb, John M. II (2002). An Introduction to the American Legal System. Florence, KY: Delmar, p. 6.

  13. Re:80% of people working in a field by tommeke100 · · Score: 1

    That's exactly the excuse they use when they appoint cushy top public administration jobs to members of the current ministers cabinet in Belgium. "Well hey, they happen to have the credentials, know the business and have the network!".

  14. Re:80% of people working in a field by QuantumPion · · Score: 1, Troll

    Regulator and lobbyists do not have a 'field', their skills are not related to any particular domain or technology.

    Yes we must purge the FDA of all doctors, the NRC of all engineers, FWS of all biologists, etc because clearly they are all beholden to their special interests and thus can't be trusted.

  15. Remove Tom Wheeler. Restore Net Neutrality by fightinfilipino · · Score: 1
  16. Re:80% of people working in a field by alen · · Score: 1

    yes, but knowing all the relevant laws and regulations and the workflow of the agencies you will work with is a big help

  17. The iron fist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The iron fist has been revealed slowly. We're not sure when the fat lady went from humming a few bars to singing a mournful tune. The frog? Its dead, Jim. Gradually boiled by a thousand conspiracies...none of which exist, apparently.

  18. we need to pay gov employees like CEOs by alen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    if you don't want any conflict of interest. pay the agency heads $20 million a year and stipulate they are not allowed to work for any private entity for 5 years after they leave government

    1. Re:we need to pay gov employees like CEOs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      never underestimate greed, $20mil is not enough. I doubt there is enough to stop this crap.

      "I'm not working for them, I'm just an unpaid adviser." (With some perks of courst, have to travel. Then after 5 years they get hired at some obscene salary)

      This is fixed by appointing people that believe in the policies you want enacted. Want net neutrality, appoint someone from the EFF not a telcom lobbyist.

    2. Re:we need to pay gov employees like CEOs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd actually be ok with that.

    3. Re:we need to pay gov employees like CEOs by Sabriel · · Score: 1

      No. These people are already socially disconnected from the public they are supposed to represent. Ludicrous wealth makes that kind of problem worse, not better.

    4. Re:we need to pay gov employees like CEOs by RyoShin · · Score: 1

      Whether it's $20MM or a more-reasonable-but-still-high sum, like $500K/yr (more than the President makes) and then force the person to retire forever, it still wouldn't stop such crony antics because there's still no downside or punishment to working for the industry prior and then working for the government to oppose *winkwinknudgenudge* some industry practices. Then the person retires altogether, their evil deeds already done and money absconded with.

      Instead there need to be constraints for blocking those who would obviously be conflicted, but writing those rules (or even just guidelines) is no easy task. You can't simply ban everyone who has worked in the industry or hasn't spent the last X years outside the industry, because a clueless person would make things worse by ignorance rather than malice. You can't favor certain companies/groups over others (I'm sure many of us would love to see someone from the EFF be appointed to the FCC) because then it just makes the industries work hard to get "their guy" into the favored company, even as lip service, and then still get the President to appoint the person to do their dirty work. (As a tangentially-related example, see the "approval" for OOXML.)

      Really, the problem here (as in most things political these days, it seems) is Congress. Certainly President Obama (and Bush, and whoever replaces Obama in 2016) is no innocent party here, but Congress is able to raise the red flags and block appointing. Unfortunately, any blocking recently has been mostly along party lines and done not because they oppose the appointee for potential corruption/conflict of interest, but because their party doesn't control the White House and so make mostly-unrelated reasons (http://swampland.time.com/2013/10/28/lindsey-graham-vows-to-block-obama-nominees-until-benghazi-survivors-testify/). The "minority" side would be just as happy to pass through such blowhards when their turn comes again.

      Of course, "fixing" Congress is a far harder and larger task than fixing the "revolving door", but I don't know how we get that second one done without doing the first. If we, as The People, could start a popular cause to appoint from within (so someone who has been with the department/commission in question for some time), rather than someone who hasn't recently worked there (or ever.) It doesn't guarantee a lack of cronyism, but it would give us a look as to what the person did or proposed for/against the industry (when possible; another issue is that most of their work will be that ordered from the crooked head), rather than just "for" the industry.

      (And, of course, Congress could be "fixed" through the will of the people, but the Establishment Party has become quite good at playing the sides off each other so they won't even consider a third party or even someone of their own party who speaks against a "big issue"--which too often is really not that big--for fear of the "other side" gaining power.)

  19. Conflict of Interest vs Right to Work by Ronin+Developer · · Score: 1

    No, I am not a big proponent of this action as it "smells" funny. That being said...

    Did anybody else notice she held the position from 2009-2011 in a two year appointment? She didn't jump right from the FCC to the CTIA.

    She hasn't been working for the FCC as a regulator in three years. My guess is her contract or appointment included a clause restricting her from working for the CTIA or other groups she regulated for at least 1-2 years.

    Naturally, the CTIA wants her as they hope she has the connections to make things move more smoothly in their direction. But, has she done anything unethical or otherwise illegal?

    1. Re:Conflict of Interest vs Right to Work by bleh-of-the-huns · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You are correct, she did not go directly to the CTA..

      Even worse, she jumped to Comcast 3 months after pushing for the Comcast NBC merger. Bought and paid for by your tax dollars.

      This was the restriction placed on her (came from wikipedia, so take with a grain of salt.)

      "While Baker may immediately lobby Congress and supervise employees who directly lobby the FCC, to comply with President Barack Obama's ethics pledge, she may not personally lobby any executive branch political appointee (including the FCC) while Obama is in office. However after two years, she may lobby non-political appointees at the FCC. Additionally she may never personally lobby anyone on the Comcast/NBC merger agreement"

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  20. Re:80% of people working in a field by spire3661 · · Score: 2

    Allowing only business people to sit on these boards means they inevitably ignore the commons in favor of business. We need someone to chair the FCC that understands that internet connectivity should be regulated as a utility and the only way to make more profit is to offer faster service. The bare minimum of service is 1 GB/sec (just like 240v/120v standard electric service). If you cant provide that level of service, you dont get right-of-way. Further, this person needs to re-instate the rules of old where is you transmitted media you couldn't own the media you were transmitting. NO business person is ever going to do that. We need the heads of our nation to represent the people, not represent them with progress through profit.

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  21. Conflict... or just good business? by zarmanto · · Score: 3, Informative

    The conflict of interest is pretty unmistakable, here... but we have to keep in mind that even absent that conflict, this would still be the most obvious choice for both the former FCC commissioners and for the lobbying groups. The commissioners obviously have an interest in the field, and the lobbying groups would want to hire someone who knows more then a little bit about the inner workings of their "arch nemesis."

    I mean... sure, moves like this will always have that sort'a greasy slimy feel to them, no matter how you cut it. But where else are they going to go?

    (Plus, there's some pretty darned good scratch in going all turncoat!)

  22. Let's all remember by argStyopa · · Score: 2

    "Hope"

    "Change"

    And please don't ASSume that we live in some sort of binary world where criticizing Obama means I think Bush 2 was any less of a piece of crap. However, I don't recall Bush 2's election(s) being accompanied with the sort of priapic panegyrics about how "everything was going to be different" and the administration was going to be "lobbyist-free", either.

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    1. Re:Let's all remember by bobbied · · Score: 2

      Crony politics at it's best... (Or worst, depending on how you want to look at it.)

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    2. Re:Let's all remember by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Clearly you missed the run up to the Iraq War.

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  24. The cream? SOUR MILK = more like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shitbags that go in & out of industry into areas of gov't. that regulate it (paid off with bribes (cut the "lobbying" bullshit term that's meant to desensitize you to the REAL CRIME occurring here, bribery))? No thank you. They go in, change the rules or lay off of the company that's going to hire them after their political term (or that put them into the job in the 1st place - since let's face it. that IS how it REALLY works in that case too)) - that's utter outright insane bullshit, & yet it keeps on happening. We're fucked.

  25. Running the show by Carnivore24 · · Score: 2

    Interest groups and lobbyists run the country. Voters enable it.

    1. Re:Running the show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Voters have nothing to do with running the country either way. They are like lifestock picking the head butcher.

  26. Money rules by jmd · · Score: 2

    Votes do not.

    Welcome to the new world order. The age of enlightenment seems to be over.

    1. Re:Money rules by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      It depends on the vote.

      John Q. Public vote: not very valuable.
      US House of Representatives vote: Valuable.
      US Senate vote: Quite Valuable.
      Regulatory Commissioner vote: Extremely Valuable.
      Presidential Veto: Invaluable.

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    2. Re:Money rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this is why I hate the English language.

      Inflammable means flammable? What a country!

    3. Re:Money rules by k6mfw · · Score: 2

      Inflammable means flammable? What a country!

      back in the days (when FCC did their job) when those gasoline tanker trucks had huge lettering INFLAMMABLE but people were confused, "does that mean it is inflammable?" So to avoid confusion it was changed to FLAMMABLE. Of course everyone knew those rolling tanks labeled Flying A, ESSO, and Richfield contained explosive liquid so a warning of inflammable was not needed.

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  27. The Beatles had it right by jacobsm · · Score: 1

    Money can't buy you love, but can and does buy influence.

  28. Not unusual by kwiqsilver · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This isn't unusual, nor should it be unexpected. Regulatory agencies are there to provide advantages for the established companies over upstart competitors and their customers. The stories about working for the interests of the consumer are just what the politicians tell voters, as they take money from politically connected companies, to create bureaucracies that further the interests of those companies.
    It's how a fascist (a.k.a. mercantilist, cronyist) economy works.

    1. Re:Not unusual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit laws paid for by tax dollars.

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  31. Re:80% of people working in a field by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's a poor-ass strawman and you know it.

    This isn't about fields of expertise. This is about being beholden to specific economic interests. You can get doctors in the FDA that aren't beholden to Pfiser or Eli Lilly.

    The "oh, but they are experts" is a very weak defense of corporate behavior that captures regulatory organizations.

  32. Just so much wrong here.... by NormAtHome · · Score: 1

    Like the other article yesterday about net neutrality, this just goes to show people that in the end big company's like Verizon can just buy anything they want and make the regulators and politicians dance to their tune and it's the general public that gets the short end at every turn and the regulators who are supposed to protect the interests of the people are not doing their jobs.

    1. Re:Just so much wrong here.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting more and more countries are adding net neutrality rules to their laws.

      One large reason for writing laws like this because governments are requiring their citizens to use the Internet to communicate with the government (example you are required to file taxes through the Internet in the Netherlands). When a government requires a citizen to have Internet access it means that the Internet is a primary living need. Primary living needs must be strongly regulated for fairness.

      I wonder what will happen when the U.S.A Internet stands alone with its non-neutrality laws. Will European companies pay off all US ISPs to carry their traffic, or will they simply drop the US customer base.

      US customers are also in a unique position to put their own packet shaper and send every internet service company a bill for carrying their traffic into your home. For example:
      - Setup a packet shaper.
      - Subscribe to World of Warcraft.
      - Complain at customer service that the game is not working while your other internet access works fine.
      - Then when they finally figure out you are running a packet shaper you can make a deal with them to add a rule to the shaper's configuration.

  33. Another offense by MitchDev · · Score: 0

    That should be considered a form of treason...

  34. Re:80% of people working in a field by usuallylost · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This was going on in the 70's and 80's and before that. The difference now is we have the Internet and the 24x7 news cycle so you are actually hearing about it. It also isn't just the regulatory agencies that are in on this scam. Look how many former members of congress land at suspiciously cushy jobs after they retire. My fear is that what we have here is effectively a bribe laundering scheme. Oh yeah you do what we want and you get a nice office, important sounding title, generous salary and a big benefits package for your post Government life.

    That isn't the only such scheme in place in government either. Look at politicans setting up various not for profits, charities and think tanks. That looks like outright bribe laundering. Also some of the members of congress have really suspicous investment dealings that look like outright money laundering.

  35. Simple answer: by MikeRT · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How can we expect regulators to keep a careful watch over industries when high-paying jobs in those industries await them after retirement?

    The post government employment surtax by libertarian Glenn Reynolds:

    SO OBAMA’S PEOPLE ARE TALKING TAX INCREASES AGAIN. Here’s my proposal: A 50% surtax on anything earned within five years after leaving the federal government, above whatever the federal salary was. Leave a $150K job at the White House, take a $1M job with Goldman, Sachs, pay a $425K surtax. Some House Republican should add this to a bill and watch the Dems react.

    50%, no deductions, no credits, just outright confiscation to ensure less profit from leveaging any potential leads from the government to win insider deals.

    1. Re:Simple answer: by Amtrak · · Score: 1

      I'd vote for that since I never plan on working for the feds. However, how would this work for someone who works as a "contractor". What about retired military personnel. What's keeping congress from writing themselves out of the law. What about income from investments (i.e. dividends or capital gains.) vs earned income? Do benefits count for gross income in this law?

      I feel like by the time congress is done "debating" such a law it will be toothless and full of pork. Why not just be blatant about this and let our elected representatives sack everyone and hire there own cronies at least they could set policy it would be obvious to everyone how corrupt everything really is. Just saying.

    2. Re:Simple answer: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Libertarians suggesting taxes? Surely a sign of the end times.

    3. Re:Simple answer: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hah, I called one Mr. and told him I wasn't interested in the bullshit he was peddling. I got a talking to for using the phrases "bullshit" and "retarded".

      For the record, he is a real VP at Ratheon, not just a titled lobbyist, and he is technically aware of the bullshit he was trying to peddle.

    4. Re:Simple answer: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting idea...what rank does it end at? Majors and Colonels get cushy contracting jobs too, but then you hurt the men and women who retire to work on the family dairy farm being taxed 50%.

    5. Re:Simple answer: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except Republicans would never want this either, because they do it in equal numbers.

      Or are you proposing that Republicans are by their nature more ethical than Democrats?

    6. Re:Simple answer: by UdoKeir · · Score: 1

      He doesn't sound much like a libertarian. More like a Republican trying to look cool.

    7. Re:Simple answer: by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Easy. O-4 and above.

      That would exclude the rank-and-file Lieutenants and the odd Captain, but include anyone close to policy making.

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    8. Re:Simple answer: by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      50%, no deductions, no credits, just outright confiscation to ensure less profit from leveaging any potential leads from the government to win insider deals.

      Executives don't gets a salary, they get a "compensation package."

      Stuff like the company paying for a car, use of a private jet, free hotel rooms, an executive assistant, etc etc etc.
      And if you're good at negotiating, the gravy train doesn't have to end when you quit,
      as some Executives keep getting these perks while they're between jobs.

      So really, there's a lot more to the job than just a paycheck.

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  36. Re:80% of people working in a field by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Up until three years ago, Meredith Attwell Baker(D) was an Obama(D)-appointed FCC commissioner. Now she's the newly minted CEO of the CTIA, the nation's largest lobbying group for the mobile phone industry."

    TFTFY

  37. Re:80% of people working in a field by idontgno · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In theory, true.

    Just like a good manager can manage anything.

    In practice, however, a lobbyist is much more valuable if he or she has cultivated contacts and inside access to a particular regulatory bureaucracy. They guy pestering the Assistant Deputy Undersecretary in the lobby is vastly less effective, and commands much less money, than the guy who can dial the private phone number of the department head's own secretary and schedule a couple hours with his immediate successor in the job of department head.

    And that's where the conflict of interest lives: a person gained access and personal trust in the context of public service. He cashes in on that asset, originally conferred for the benefit of the public, for his own personal benefit (bigtime lobbying contracts) and the benefit of his private clients (in the regulated field). Plus, you know, regulatory capture.

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  38. Re:80% of people working in a field by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    careful, push hard and someone will decide it's a brilliant idea to give outgoing regulators a lifetime stipend so they won't be tempted by this sort of thing... then we'll be paying for them forever... And they will still make decisions based on the hope that they will be hired on as well afterwards. Doesn't have to be an agreement, it could just be person after person making calculated decisions for their own future and hoping it works out...

  39. Re:80% of people working in a field by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What I can't put my finger on is exactly when this behavior and conflict of interest in general because fine. It's rife throughout government. We see it in a big way in the SCOTUS, and the state governments are even worse than the federal government. But *NO ONE* seems to care. This wasn't the same in the 70s and 80s, or perhaps it was and the difference is that these idiots aren't even embarrassed by it any more.

    What changed? The size of the federal government.

    Federal, State, Local Spending in 20th Century

    At the start of the 20th century, government spending was principally local government spending. Out of a total of 7 percent of GDP, a full 4 percent was spent at the local level. Federal spending spiked in World War I, but in the 1920s, local government still represented about half of all government spending. In the 1930s this changed, and federal spending surged to about half of all government spending. After the spike of World War II the federal share increased again and state government spending also began to increase as a percent of GDP, so that by the 2010s federal spending checked in at over 20 percent of GDP, state spending amounted to 8 to 9 percent of GDP and local spending exceeded 10 percent of GDP.

    Spending equals power. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    So why the hell do people think we can solve our problems by giving this government MORE power?

    Giving this out-of-control power-mad government more money and more power will make things BETTER? For WHO?

  40. We need some new Constitutional Admendments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If we don't fight for new protections, we will lose our rights forever.

    1. Re:We need some new Constitutional Admendments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can have my right to party when they pry it from my cold dead hands!

  41. Marvel > DC by sproketboy · · Score: 2

    Oh you mean DC.....

  42. Slowly revolving door by tomhath · · Score: 1

    In general a person who makes contracting or regulatory decisions must wait a year after leaving government before working for a company related to their government work in the US. Other countries have different waiting periods (e.g. France is three years).

    That's not perfect, but I don't see anyone suggesting a better alternative. A permanent ban on working in the industry after government service is unrealistic; Ms. Baker is 45 years old and has spent her entire career in telecom, I doubt you could get anyone with telecom experience if it meant their career was over when they left the government job.

    I suppose you could eliminate political appointees altogether and fill those positions from career civil servants, but that has its own problems.

  43. How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > How can we expect regulators to keep a careful watch over industries when high-paying jobs in those industries await them after retirement?

    We can't.

  44. Re:80% of people working in a field by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The same one that said they'd have no lobbyists working for them? Sadly, nothing...

  45. Re:80% of people working in a field by GarethIwanFairclough · · Score: 2

    Regulator and lobbyists do not have a 'field', their skills are not related to any particular domain or technology.

    Yes we must purge the FDA of all doctors, the NRC of all engineers, FWS of all biologists, etc because clearly they are all beholden to their special interests and thus can't be trusted.

    You mean they haven't done that already?!

  46. Re:80% of people working in a field by ZahrGnosis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I see that there's the potential for abuse there, and I'm sure it is abused this way sometimes, but I don't see the job offers as proof that it's happening. It DOES make good sense for these companies to hire people with inside, high profile jobs from the governing organizations, whether or not the policies they enacted hurt the company (in some ways probably more so). These are very strong job candidates even without bribery being a consideration. Even if we were omnisciently certain that no quid-pro-quo existed, these are people who would get (and arguably deserve) great job offers.

    The questions then become how do we identify actual abuse (vs normal labor market forces) and how do we stop it?

    In non-government positions, if this were a concern (not to the public, but to the original employer), there would be a non-compete clause of some sort. I'm not aware of government jobs ever having non-compete clauses, but it would probably be prohibitively difficult to do (not that it shouldn't be done, but it's so difficult to fire most US government employees that I can't imagine it being easy to implement even more labor restrictions). We could perhaps lobby for that, but it's doubtful to happen. I'm open to suggestions, but without other options this just seems like unconstructive complaining.

  47. Oh, so this is the new spin? by rabbin · · Score: 1

    Right, an individual passing through the revolving door does not represent a conflict of interest, but rather just the hiring of experienced/knowledgeable individuals. Here are some cherry picked statistics to prove my point /s

    Please tell me this isn't where the PR spin is headed, because I fully believe people will buy it (if it's repeated often enough and made tribal). I mean, the spindoctors have already convinced too many people that bribery is "free speech" and 99% of climate scientists are frauds.

  48. And yet, no calls for less Washington power by Kohath · · Score: 1

    People are told to hate corporations and give the government more power. That power gets co-opted by corporate interests to be used against the people.

    Will anyone ever learn that power should not be concentrated in government hands?

    1. Re:And yet, no calls for less Washington power by Amtrak · · Score: 1

      Exactly it's a lot harder and more expensive to "bribe" 50 different regulators. It's why things like this should be left to the States. But business and Washington bureaucrats would hate that. However, while there are departments that could be decentralized such as Education, or maybe to lesser extent FCC (Radio travels a good distance and the Military has a want to regulate it.) there are other regulators that you can't really do that with. I mean can you imagine how pissed Tennessee would be if we broke up the Nuclear Regulatory committee and then say Arkansas decides that it's OK to build a nuclear power plant with lax safety standards across the Mississippi from Memphis. Think about that one for a second, it sounds to me like it might clearly fall into the purview of the federal government at that point.

    2. Re:And yet, no calls for less Washington power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But.... but.... but... Obama is the best President Ebah!!11!!!!
       
      Clinton/Biden 2016!!!!

    3. Re:And yet, no calls for less Washington power by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      What?!?

      So you state that corporations are corrupt and will use their power against people but you still blame the government....wow...that's some pretty tortured logic.

    4. Re:And yet, no calls for less Washington power by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Apparently you haven't met the oil industry.

  49. Re:80% of people working in a field by Kohath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Government agencies regard the people as a rancher regards his cattle.

  50. Re:80% of people working in a field by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Informative

    wow. being purposefully ignorant is twice as blissful.

    Yeah, ignorant - and only HALF of the story in this headline.

    Tom Wheeler, the new incoming FCC Chairman is a leading industry lobbyist. GIGO.

    "Wheeler has been around telecommunications policy circles for years and has served as a lobbyist for the cable industry's trade group, the National Cable and Telecommunications Association, and the wireless industry's trade association, CTIA-The Wireless Association. He spent 12 years as the head of the CTIA."
    http://www.cnet.com/news/senate-confirms-tom-wheeler-as-fccs-new-chairman/

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  51. Purge the FDA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Have you bothered to look up Meredith Attwell Baker's history? She Is a Lawyer & Lobbyist by profession with connections to various politically families (Bushes, Bakers, etc). Her education is in Spanish & journalism, what about this would make her a good fit for the mobile phone industry. She is a career lobbyist, nothing more, nothing less. Why she was ever the FCC commissioner is beyond my comprehension.

    1. Re:Purge the FDA by Lennie · · Score: 1

      "She is a career lobbyist" ...

      " Why she was ever the FCC commissioner is beyond my comprehension."

      Seems pretty clear to me, the answer is right there. :-)

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  52. What is the alternative? by dirk · · Score: 2

    I can easily see why this would cause problems, but the one thing no one seems to address is what is the alternative? If we want someone to head the regulatory body for telecommunications (for instance) we need someone who has a vast knowledge of the telecommunications field. That means pretty exclusively someone who has worked for years in telecommunications businesses. You can't pull someone from another field because they don't know anything about what they are meant to be regulating. When these people leave the government regulation jobs, they are obviously going to go back to the telecommunications field (with the other option being lobbying for the telecommunications field since they now have telecommunications experience and government experience).

    So what are our options? We can't ban them from going back and working in the field, since that is what their expertise is in no one would take the job. We can't the hiring to people not in the field, since that is just silly. We could try to limit hiring of industry insiders but that severely limits your hiring pool and potentially swings the pendulum too far the other way. The only thing I can think of that is reasonable and doable is to try and regulate the quid pro quo going on, but that is all but impossible. So what exactly is the fix?

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    1. Re:What is the alternative? by synaptik · · Score: 1

      Who do you want setting telecommunication policy: experts in that field, or experts at winning elections? 200+ years ago, when our system of government first formed, life was simple enough that the qualifications for competent governance were not much above a grade-school education. Today's world is far more complex. The bar to entry into Congress is too low to fill those shoes competently.

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    2. Re:What is the alternative? by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      These are lobbyists not experts. Try again Zippy.

    3. Re:What is the alternative? by synaptik · · Score: 1

      They are both.

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  53. Welcome to the real world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Silly activist! You've never heard of "regulatory capture" before? It didn't occur to you that big bad media corps rely on "compliance" rent seeking behavior by the FCC to flush out the little guys and FCC hacks rely on big bad media for upward mobility in the so-called private sector? Sheesh, you'd think that we'd be able to appoint a Moses to head the FCC to implement social justice just the way Cmdr Taco and similar self-appointed experts would expect them to do.

    Innovation, not regulation, folks. Regulators are self-interested bureaucrats, and bureaucracy gives you the status quo.

  54. It's a subtle political problem by Beeftopia · · Score: 1

    We keep voting for these politicians - BUT - the politicians who make it through the primary process are the only ones we are allowed to vote for, and they are already beholden to those special interests which facilitate their victory. 3rd parties are aggressively suppressed.

    Very interesting TED talk by Lawrence Lessig on the issue: "There is a corruption at the heart of American politics, caused by the dependence of Congressional candidates on funding from the tiniest percentage of citizens. That's the argument at the core of this blistering talk by legal scholar Lawrence Lessig."

    There are many countries in the world where a de facto "Supreme Council" determines which candidates are allowed to stand at election. They are sham democracies. We are falling into that model more and more.

    1. Re:It's a subtle political problem by PortHaven · · Score: 1

      We don't vote for these people. Heck, half the times the exit polls are in total conflict with the results. Districts show no or less votes than people who actually cast their ballots.

      What we need is a national election website. Where every candidate basically has a page. Can discuss their views on specific issues. Post videos. Etc.

      And then we can elect the one we actually like. Instead of getting selected politicians.

  55. Regulatory capture by PapayaSF · · Score: 5, Informative

    The issue is if the regulator, instead of stopping abuse, let it slide for the promise of a future high paying job. In my book that is bribery, and I'm sure many people agrees with me.

    That's part of it, but there's more. The topic is called regulatory capture. An inherent problem in all regulation is that those being regulated have a vested interest in "capturing" the regulators and influencing them for their own interests. It's often not as simple as bribery or a promise of a future job. It can be (and often is) things like convincing regulators that certain kinds of regulation are great ideas, regulations that 1) make the regulators think they are doing something, 2) can be easily implemented by that regulated entity, and (entirely coincidentally!) 3) hinder the competitors of the regulated entity. Whenever you read about bankers being in favor of Dodd-Frank, or health insurers being pro-Obamacare, or a large company that supports raising the minimum wage, look for something like #3. Such support does not usually come from the goodness of their hearts.

    As pointed out in this thread, who knows the complexity of a set of regulations better than someone who used to be in charge of them? So too much separation between regulators and regulated would be dysfunctional: you don't want carpenters regulating doctors, or vice versa. But the whole field shows some of the inherent problems of all regulations, especially complex ones.

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  56. Re:80% of people working in a field by Kohath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So... can we have less government power over everything in everyone's life then? Since it ends up being used against us by Washington insiders...?

  57. Pay them more by jratcliffe · · Score: 1

    If we want to get top-quality people for a job like FCC Commissioner, which doesn't last that long and doesn't pay well, but don't want them to take industry jobs when they leave, we need to pay them more. Pay the Commissioners $2 million a year each, plus $1 million per year for the ten years after they leave the FCC, but make a condition of taking the job that they can't take outside employment in the industry during that ten year period. The incremental cost to the budget would be trivial, and it would remove the revolving door.

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  59. Inevitable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As long as our politicians are bought and paid for, things will never change for the better

    "When the buying and selling is controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are the legislators."

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  61. Re:80% of people working in a field by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

    when they leave the place they work for, move to companies in a similar field?

    wow

    people with a knowledge of telecom/rf going on to work at telco's unpossible

    No, its far more sinister than that. It isn't even really a job, it is basically just a cushy retirement package. They get paid for doing nothing. They offer this AFTER the person has already plaid ball for years. Everyone in government knows this, and knows if policy offends too many in the industry, their retirement is screwed. Why do you think presidents because millionaires after they leave office? They get hundreds of thousands of dollars for what amounts to giving 30min inspirational speeches. Bill Clinton is a great example and G.W. Bush is quickly catching him. Obama will do the same. You think those speeches are really worth that kind of money to industry execs?

  62. Re:80% of people working in a field by postbigbang · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're naive.

    Often, such abuse only surfaces after the damage is done, and after fabulous sums in attorney's fees are paid, with a likely outcome of plea deal-- if it gets that far.

    The ethics problem here is huge. These were insiders, and party to all of the internal sausage that makes decisions work, and know intimately, the vulnerabilities. Fueled with the grease of lobbying money, they arrive again with seemingly wonderful arguments, except that instead of representing the people of the United States, they now represent shareholders looking for revenue, two completely and potentially opposite ideals.

    This very constructive complaining, as net neutrality is the egalitarian backbone principal of Internet access. It's being destroyed with a "more equal than other equals" sort of Orwellian lie perpetrated by the telecoms strictly for favor of their shareholders. Open your eyes to what's happening in front of you: a new privileged Internet, where privilege comes directly out of your wallet.

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  63. majorities can impose their will on minorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No more so than currently, and there are simply fixes for preventing such situations even in pure democracies (require 2/3 or more vote to pass basic laws, 85% or more to modify constitution, etc). A few years ago you could have made the claim that "well reps have more time to analyze the issues" but I think that myth has been pretty much debunked. Most congressman/woman don't actually read the legislation they are passing & can't even answer basic questions in regards to it. At bare minimum I think we need a "third branch" of congress, a group of randomly selected citizens that would act as a buffer against the current engrained culture in Washington. Say 100 randomly selected citizens from all states, after legislation is passed by the senate & house it goes to them. If even 1/3 vote in favor it goes on to the president, if 65% vote against its kicked back to congress, if 90% vote against it the sponsors of the bill get permanently ejected from federal government work.

    1. Re: majorities can impose their will on minorities by Agent0013 · · Score: 1

      if 90% vote against it the sponsors of the bill get permanently ejected from federal government work.

      I like this idea. I would only add that the sponsors also get the guillotine. Otherwise someone else can try to adjust the wording of the law a little bit and keep trying to slip it through. We need zero tolerance for the people who abuse the constitution and pass illegal laws.

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    2. Re: majorities can impose their will on minorities by kwiqsilver · · Score: 1

      I've been a supporter of the super-majority requirement for a while (or better yet, the super-duper-majority: 80% or more). It's easy to get 80% of people (hopefully more like 99.999%) to agree murder, rape, kidnapping, arson, etc. are bad. It would be impossible to get 80% to agree to slavery, unjust wars, NSA spying, the Patriot [sic] Act, taxes for wealth redistribution (most of which in the US goes to the über rich banking and corporate crony crowd, not the poor), and other statist dreams.

      Another useful trick would be automatic sunset clauses, e.g. every law expires after five years. And the sunset period could be limited by the support gained. E.g. if 60% approve, it lasts a year, if 70%, 2 years, etc.

      I also propose the ability to remove bad laws easily (one of the problems we have in the US, e.g. repealing the 1934 National Firearms Act): Repealing a law should consist of proposing the exact law again, but if it fails to pass at any stage, it should not only fail to extend the law, but it should immediately repeal the existing instance of that law.

  64. Re:80% of people working in a field by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

    It's not an innocent employment move. It's retroactive bribery.

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  65. Re:80% of people working in a field by rezme · · Score: 2

    I doubt that would solve anything... "There is substantial academic literature suggesting that smaller government units are easier for small, concentrated industries to capture than large ones. For example a group of states or provinces with a large timber industry might have their legislature and/or their delegation to the national legislature captured by lumber companies. These states or provinces then becomes the voice of the industry, even to the point of blocking national policies that would be preferred by the majority across the whole federation. Moore and Giovinazzo (2012) call this "distortion". - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R...

  66. Millions of people care... by PortHaven · · Score: 1

    But what difference does that make. People have realized that voting, if you even still believe your votes are valid, doesn't make a difference.

    People basically feel that a) this is wrong b) no one listens c) there is nothing they can do

    And if you think this is going to go on forever, look at BLM and Nevada. People are starting to feel their only means of stopping such corrupt government beauracracy is the use of arms.

    That is sad...we should never be at that point.

    1. Re:Millions of people care... by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      That is sad...we should never be at that point.

      We started at that point. This country was founded by people who would nowadays be libeled* as "terrorists," remember?

      Maybe it's about time for the "tree of liberty" to be refreshed.

      (*not a typo)

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  67. Re:80% of people working in a field by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    This wasn't the same in the 70s and 80s...

    Actually, it is. Reelection rates were pretty much the same back then as they are now, about 90%. Despite all our fancy internet, we are making very little, if any, progress in governance.

    About the only thing that has changed dramatically since then is airline safety. So, at least the government is doing something worthwhile

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  68. We pretty much did that... by PortHaven · · Score: 0

    Most of the FDA are lawyers and beauracrats and would have a tough time telling a cow apart from an ass, without looking in a mirror.

  69. Re:80% of people working in a field by Kohath · · Score: 2

    So instead of choosing smaller government overlords or bigger government overlords, let's just not have any level of government control most of the things in our lives.

    But if there has to be government control, then it should be as local as possible so it's easier to escape by just moving away.

  70. Pass a law by bl968 · · Score: 1

    The law would state that government employees with regulation powers are prohibited from working in the industry they regulated for a period of 10 years after they leave their government position. This would apply to commissioners as well as congressmen.

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    1. Re:Pass a law by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

      And...

      Any lobbyist or employee of a regulated firm cannot serve as a government regulator for 10 years after the last day on which they acted as a lobbyist or an employee of a regulated company.

  71. Re:80% of people working in a field by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    > plaid ball

    Usually referred to as a ceilidh.

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  72. This topic covered in Republic, Lost. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Among others. It's a huge conflict of interest.

  73. Re:80% of people working in a field by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the USA they call it 'lobbying'. The rest of the world calls it by it's true name: corruption.

  74. Need to stop this by grheller · · Score: 1

    "More than 80 percent of FCC commissioners since 1980 have gone on to work for companies or groups in the industries they used to regulate" Guess what folks they didn't get those jobs by pissing people off in the industry while performing their duties for the government. Needs to be some non-compete in their contracts that prevents them from taking a job in the industry they regulated for a certain amount of time. These politicians are screwing the citizens at every chance they get. I guess there is no way to stop the corruption in Washington. We need to take control of our government again, we need term limits for all elected and appointed officials.

    1. Re:Need to stop this by tomhath · · Score: 1

      Needs to be some non-compete in their contracts that prevents them from taking a job in the industry they regulated for a certain amount of time

      There already is. Although it probably doesn't apply in this case since she's working for a lobbying group, which the FCC would not have any regulatory authority over.

  75. It's systemic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The problem is at this point it's been systemic of people in lobbying moving into the regulator role and people in the regulator role moving into lobbying, including congress critters. I don't care how versed you are in the topic, when virtually all of the people are specifically from lobbying when going into regulation, then place lenient regulations in place, then go back to lobbying, there is a major problem. Lobbyists should not be regulators and regulators should not be lobbyists. It's corrupt. The way you stop it is by putting people in the role who actually understand the implications, i.e. the engineers, the people who actually do the work. I find it hard to believe that someone with a communications or a liberal arts degree is *always* the best choice for leading a technical regulatory group.

  76. So lets find a way to DO something about this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So guys... what can we DO about this BLATANT EROSION of our Internet rights? Net neutrality must be maintained. Lets try and come up with solutions and suggestions to take action.

  77. Re:80% of people working in a field by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Constructive" implies offering suggestions not just criticism.

  78. Re:80% of people working in a field by postbigbang · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Lots of easy constructive ideas:

    1) vote
    2) boycott
    3) inform those in Wash DC of their folly
    4) vote with $$ just like the big guys do
    5) present the facts, and let people decide.

    Etc. Doesn't take imagination. We've been here before.

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  79. Re:80% of people working in a field by ZahrGnosis · · Score: 1

    I don't know if I'm naive... I admitted it happens, although I may underestimate how much (and you may overestimate how much; it's really difficult to know). But I asked for possible solutions; I even offered non-competes as a conversation starter. I suppose there's some value in just complaining about it, since it brings attention to a topic, but it's MORE constructive to actually discuss solutions as well as the problem. What do you propose? Force someone who retired from a government job to avoid any conflict of interest until death? Limit lobbying to make these post-retirement positions less attractive? We need to attract more qualified people into government jobs, so any solution that provides a disincentive to work for the government could backfire in that regard.

    I ask in earnest. I'd like to see transparency and I agree that in general the power-sway between corporations and citizens seems imbalanced when it comes to lobbying, but I truly don't see any conversation about a workable solution in the article, and little in the ./ threads.

  80. Re:80% of people working in a field by postbigbang · · Score: 1

    You offer binary solutions to a problem that has none. There's often a time-out period for government employees that's imposed as a condition of their employment, before they can lobby the entity from where they were employed. It's a good practice.

    Your voice == 1. Paid voices, those that hold the purse strings to campaign funds and legal bribes== an exponentiation of 2.

    If you're looking to seek a rational or workable solution, consider campaign finance reform. Consider the mandate of arduous public policy hearings to vet such radical changes. Consider that the telecoms have a monopoly attitude, and the real concept of historical common carrier law is now in a ditch, run off the road by unbridled greed in the quest for shareholder rewards in a world that is run by Wall Street, not the voting booth!

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  81. Re:80% of people working in a field by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Well, cynically speaking, the evidence of the actual abuse are all around you. It's in the fact that we can't get Net Neutrality, and how they can reverse what Net Neutrality means and STILL pitch it as 'Net Neutrality'. It's in our Internet connections and wireless plans that are some of the slowest and most expensive in the world. It's in the Ham radio spectrum, a public domain resource, that continues to be fragmented up and sold to the highest private bidder. It's in the posters from other countries that are going "You really let this happen? What the hell is wrong with you?" because apparently their governments figured out that this is a bad thing.

  82. Re:80% of people working in a field by ZahrGnosis · · Score: 1

    See? That wasn't hard. :-)

  83. Re:80% of people working in a field by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    How about we simply pass laws that prevent any employment in an industry that one once regulated for a period of 15 years? We might also want to back that up with laws that place an absolute income cap on former government officials.

  84. Hire me! by DarthVain · · Score: 2

    Hell, pay me 20 million and I will sign a contract that I won't work anymore ever! :)

  85. Re:80% of people working in a field by LMariachi · · Score: 1

    Right, that explains all the former FCC chairmen now lobbying for ConAgra and Monsanto.

  86. Natural consequence of big government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you grow a government to huge proportions and inject it into all aspects of your economy, you need an army of people to do all the work. When you add-in a political class to "run" things, they'll bring-in their "friends" to fill all the management spots.... and when control of the beast shifts from one party to another, the political appointees of the party losing power get the boot - and appointees of the inbound party get all those management spots. All these political appointees being human, they tend to want to buy homes, have families, and develop "roots" in their communities. As a result, there ends-up being a permanent class of people in each party who live in the vicinity of the capitol city who work in government when their party is in power and who need jobs outside government (but in their fields) when their party is not in power. There's your revolving doors. In the US, both parties have certain "friendly" companies where they "park" their friends. Goldman Sachs, for example gives money to politicians on both sides of the aisle but it's also a great place to park Democrats as are Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The Republicans like to park people in defense contractors. Smart companies that like the public to see them as non-partisan will happily park people from both parties.... after all, you never know when your multi-billion dollar company mign need some favors in D.C. and having some former (and future) employees there to answer your phone calls can sure be handy in in Crony-Capitalist world.....

    You can ONLY end this with smaller government (NOT a panacea, but a good start). When government is small and not involved in much, businesses have far fewer reasons to get involved in government corruption, the politicians have far fewer spots to fill with appointees, and the public has far fewer people and departments to scrutinize for signs of corruption. Shrinking the government shrinks the petri dish in which corruption grows.

  87. The more the government ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The more the government gets involved in the private economy through regulation, the more opportunities there will be for this kind of self-dealing ... no wonder politicians are so eager to expand the reach of government ...

  88. Where government spying is actually useful... by TiggertheMad · · Score: 1

    There is an easy solution, re-target the NSA to spy the rats nest that is Washington. If you get a public office, it should be a given that you are held up to scrutiny. Spy on all these people, and when you catch them doing something wrong, throw them in the federal pen for 20 years. Once word gets around that relationships with elected officials are monitored and offering quid pro quo bribes will land everybody involved in federal prison, the practice will greatly cease.

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    1. Re:Where government spying is actually useful... by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      More and more, I believe that it's already taken place, and the NSA buys its own policies via blackmail and extortion, J.Edgar Hoover-style. It's one of the few non-partisan issues that seems to be stanched by, ummm, important officials.

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  89. It's called regulatory capture. Link in this post. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Regulatory Capture is exactly what is going on here. Regulatory Capture is a failure-mode of government.

  90. At least FCC streamlined getting accepted type by k6mfw · · Score: 2

    Instead having your radio go through FCC labs for Part 90 type acceptance, just say it's Part 90, pay the dues, and voila you are done. Maybe not as factious as this but it sure seems like that. Especially for some Part 15 devices which really cause havoc in radio interference and I wonder how they managed to get it on the market.

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  91. Re:Easy by dublin · · Score: 1

    You're not the first to suggest this - a surtax on earnings above the government salary is a *really* good way to deal with this.

    University of Tennessee law professor and blogger Glenn Reynolds is one of the more outspoken proponents of this approach (he suggests a 50-75% surtax on earnings above the government official's salary for five years after leaving office.)

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/...

    http://pjmedia.com/instapundit...

    Although it's just a small step in eliminating cronyism and corruption, it's a meaningful and effective one, and we should all make sure that this is a major issue in every congressional election until it passes.

    Ideally, this would apply to both elected and unelected officials, but the chances of getting congress to limit thier own feed trough is pretty slim given the heinous corruption levels we already have. (How *did* Harry Reid (and many others) get to be a multimillionaire *after* becoming an elected official?)

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  92. Re:80% of people working in a field by cdwiegand · · Score: 1

    Do you WANT ex-farm-administrators to decide how wireless spectrum should be sold?? ARE YOU CRAZY!? No, I want someone with some experience managing bandwidth. Someone who understands how commercial, public service, amateur radio and broadcast radio all interact. Someone who understands what broadband internet means (no, Hughes/Net is NOT broadband, Mr. Farmer!).

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  93. Re:80% of people working in a field by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The way I see it, they get your money, taken from you by a third party, allowed to do so by them.

    A counter move would need some more direct democracy: a part of your taxes should be steerable by you, taxpayer. That would not be at discretion of government, but could be used for public purposes. You could allocate it to some purpose, or retract it back into vault if you feel you have been conned - somewhat like stock market, but in government spending. The only thing you couldn't legally do is to monetize it, and there would be a law that could make such a scheme punishable harshly enough.

    Now comes the interesting (for matters of high officials corruption) part: you could allocate the portion of your money to an appreciation fund which will be collected by official after she leaves office, IF the taxpayers were satisfied (didn't retract the money). In a way, citizens, who are, after all, the prime source of bribe money, are short-circuiting and outbidding the middleman (briber, a company, or a lobby group) by providing a better offer for the official, which in the end costs citizens less.

  94. Re:80% of people working in a field by postbigbang · · Score: 1

    Civics mandates preservation of public safety and the common good. Not your common good, rather, everyone's common good.

    While a small amount of discretion is plausible, it's a slippery slope into divisiveness in the way that poor people are currently abused. It's a wonder that they have a shred of dignity left after the process that they must now go thru.

    The democratic republic that we were has now become a plutocracy, especially when one considers the vastly pro-business/anti-citizen decisions made recently by the Roberts Supreme Court. We need to bend it back towards the citizenry.

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  95. Re:80% of people working in a field by rezme · · Score: 1

    "so it's easier to escape by just moving away" Moving away isn't as simple or as easy as you make it seem. I've been trying to save enough money to leave Florida for ten years, but the pay rates here are so shitty I make just enough to pay my bills and put food on the table. My point is that crowing about small government changes nothing. We've seen where small government got us in terms of worker conditions. Sweatshops in the 1800s with ten year olds sewing clothes. Companies that dump toxic waste into the backyards of low income neighborhoods. Indentured servitude. Big corporations are just as bad as big government, and in fact might be worse. At least the government's stated aim is to work for the people. Big business works only for the CEOs and shareholders. The constitution limits what government can do to you. The only control we have over business is regulation, it's our "constitution" limiting how badly they can fuck us over. If you think that removing all government regulation wouldn't return us to the sweatshop days, then you're hopelessly naive.

  96. Re:80% of people working in a field by q4Fry · · Score: 1

    The Sunlight Foundation has an investigative series on government workers who go to the lobbying side. I highly recommend it.

  97. Re:80% of people working in a field by spectrumlogic · · Score: 1

    THIS...is the problem. Easy as the practical limit, generic to remain indistinguishable (or at least harmless) yet ineffective as an aggregator of sentiment or momentum. What's missing may be more fundamental. Isn't this really about transparency and accountability (the answer is yes if you have ever ought information about such conduct). Such ethical conundrums require an element of will/desire to preserve a baseline of integrity as a first line of defense (self governance). Failing that, the cascade of increasing resistance to discovery/censure has to be de-railed and the monetary requirement removed. Corruption is a self-fulfilling prophecy in the presence of apathy...it must be prioritized. Once embedded, there is no simple solution.

  98. Re:80% of people working in a field by postbigbang · · Score: 1

    There are options other than sedition. It requires organization of the electorate and fundamental and pragmatic disciplined marshalling of voter resources.

    Campaign reform as a campaign agenda. Requisite methods of information dissemination in an open atmosphere. How many more must die in oil wars? What does a pledge of allegiance mean when the government is a plutocracy?

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  99. Regulatory capture by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 1

    I am shocked, shocked to learn that regulatory capture continues to exist, even after I learned the name for it.

    http://duckduckgo.com/?q=regul...

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  100. You think the FCC is bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Take a look at the revolving door at the Pentagon. Civilian and military personnel responsible for awarding and overseeing billions of dollars worth of contracts have been retiring from Government service to take up senior positions at the very companies they wrote giant checks to as civil servants for years.

    Its one giant incestuous cesspool. They get away with it because they can.