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CISPA 3.0: the Senate's New Bill As Bad As Ever

Daniel_Stuckey writes: "CISPA is back for a third time—it has lost the 'P,' but it's just as bad for civil liberties as ever. The Senate Intelligence Committee is considering a new cybersecurity bill that contains many of the provisions that civil liberties groups hated about the Cybersecurity Information Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA). Most notably, under the proposed bill companies could not be sued for incorrectly sharing too much customer information with the federal government, and broad law enforcement sharing could allow for the creation of backdoor wiretaps. The bill, called the Cybersecurity Information Sharing Act of 2014, was written by Senate Intelligence Chair Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.) and is currently circulating around the committee right now but has not yet been introduced. Right now, the bill is only a 'discussion draft,' and the committee is still looking to make revisions to the bill before it is officially introduced."

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  1. Sorry, Mr. Becket by fche · · Score: 4, Funny

    Will no one rid me of this turbulent senator?

    1. Re:Sorry, Mr. Becket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I've never voted for her since I don't share her views.

      Sharing.

      There's that word again.

      "I am working with Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.) on bipartisan legislation to facilitate the sharing of cyber related information among companies and with the government and to provide protection from liability,"

      I see it a lot in marketingspeak too. "This is how we share your private information with our marketing affiliates..."

      Why is it when individuals share the secrets of governments and corporations amongst themselves, it's "stealing" or "leaking," but when governments and corporations steal and resell our secrets to each other, it's called "sharing?"

      Orwell would be proud in more ways than one. Difi doubleplusgood duckspeak blackwhite doublethink.

    2. Re:Sorry, Mr. Becket by Spritzer · · Score: 2

      I've never voted for Tax-me Shameless(RINO-GA), but thankfully, he's retiring. I guess this is one of his last acts of idiocy before we get to replace him.

    3. Re:Sorry, Mr. Becket by erichill · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'd vote for a viable alternative in a heartbeat. Not only is she somehow beholden to the state security apparatus, she also does whatever Big Content wants. She's definitely in with, if not one of, the oligarchs.

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    4. Re:Sorry, Mr. Becket by BiIl_the_Engineer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are certainly a lot of RINOs and DINOs. The problem with terms like these is that they make it seem as if the parties aren't filled with these scumbags, but they are; the parties themselves are evil. This isn't just a few people; it's the entire parties.

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    5. Re:Sorry, Mr. Becket by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2
      She's also one of those people who believe that there should be no CCW permits...

      Except her CCW permit, of course.

      She thinks people like her having guns is perfectly fine, not so much the riffraff.

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      "I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
    6. Re:Sorry, Mr. Becket by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As a Representative of her constituents, mind telling me just what in the FUCK she thinks she's doing?

      I would like to know too. But let me ask you: when was the last time your elected representatives actually represented you?

      I am in contact with my Senator and Congresspeople regularly. Usually (especially in the case of the Democrats) in response I get a form letter telling me thanks for my interest but this is why they're going to do whatever the hell they want to do anyway.

      I strongly suggest starting at the bottom and working up. Your State legislature is much more likely to listen to reason. Once you get them whipped into shape, start working on the Federal.

      (Actually, work on them both. But concentrate on the bottom first, because that's the way it's going to change.)

  2. Let's try an experiment. by PortHaven · · Score: 3, Interesting

    On May 5th, 9pm EST....let's all think of Diane Fienstein dying of a natural cause. And see if thoughts actually influence the universe.

    1. Re:Let's try an experiment. by DigiShaman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      May 5th, 9pm EST, I will be praying to God to deliver justice upon her and people like her. Let Him decide her fate.

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    2. Re:Let's try an experiment. by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      Alarm set.

      See you in the collective unconscious.

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    3. Re:Let's try an experiment. by mellon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or, instead, here's a thought: go find out if your senator is on the Senate Intelligence Committee. If so, call them and tell them you don't want the bill to get out of committee. Explain why. Extra credit: go read TFA so that you know why before calling. But if you don't want to do that, you can always just tell the staffer that you don't like the bill. Make sure you don't identify it as "CISPA" since that's not its current name.

  3. Eventually it goes through by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They will simply continue to refluff the bill and push it on us again and again until it passes.

    The US government is a corrupt oligarchy and needs to be torn down.

    1. Re:Eventually it goes through by imatter · · Score: 2

      I have to imagine that the real reason they didn't pass before was because they weren't evil enough. I agree though, they will keep coming until one passes.

    2. Re:Eventually it goes through by crunchygranola · · Score: 2

      They will simply continue to refluff the bill and push it on us again and again until it passes.

      The US government is a corrupt oligarchy and needs to be torn down.

      Yep. Much like the "Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act", which was designed to make bankruptcy relief (used commonly by corporations to escape debt) virtually inaccessible to consumers. It was proposed in 1997 and rejected year after year until finally it passed in 2005. What the corporations and political establishment want, they will get - sooner or later.

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  4. Surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oh, look, Feinstein is once again taking action to fuck over the populace while positioning herself (and friends) in the elite ruling class.

    Isn't that shocking?

  5. When will this end by litehacksaur111 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think it would be nice if congress went on recess forever instead of returning to enact shit like this.

    1. Re:When will this end by Tokolosh · · Score: 2

      What the hell are you doing there? What is your purpose, soldier?

      My guess you are just making more people hate us.

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  6. Eternal Vigilance by Tokolosh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Agree with them or not, the NRA knows what is needed to protect their favorite amendment.

    We need to adopt similar structures and systems. To me, the EFF is a good rallying point, so I urge you to give all the support you can. I say, without irony, "Think of your children."

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    1. Re:Eternal Vigilance by BiIl_the_Engineer · · Score: 4, Funny

      Agree with them or not, the NRA knows what is needed to protect their favorite amendment.

      Obviously not, since they've accepted some amount of gun control.

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    2. Re:Eternal Vigilance by stoploss · · Score: 2

      Agree with them or not, the NRA knows what is needed to protect their favorite amendment.

      Obviously not, since they've accepted some amount of gun control.

      It's not for nothing that the NRA is sometimes referred to as "Negotiate Rights Away". That's why years ago I chose to avoid the compromise-loving, surrender monkey NRA and joined GOA instead.

      However, the NRA did a decent job helping to protect our rights after Newton, so perhaps they have finally grown a spine.

    3. Re:Eternal Vigilance by swillden · · Score: 2

      And in protecting it in the way they are, they are of course, contributing to the erosion of your rights in other quarters.

      Examples? I see no reason we have to pick and choose which rights to protect.

      It's sartorial nonsense as far as protecting liberty goes. After a moments thought, it's obvious why - shooting someone is illegal. If you shoot a public official, the legality of your gun and you carrying that gun is irrelevant. There is no way for you to exercise your right to a gun in a way that protects the erosion of the central liberties.

      You're conflating two different uses of the right. One is defense of the lives of self and others. I carry a handgun on a daily basis, but have no intention of every shooting a public official (unless that official happens to be illegally and imminently threatening someone's life and that's the only way I can stop it -- but that would be a legally justifiable shooting). For defense against tyranny my little 9mm (or .380 pocket pistol) is useless. My rifles, however, are not.

      As for the expected riposte about how semi-automatic rifles are also useless against machine guns, cannon, attack aircraft, helicopters, tanks, JDAMs and nuclear weapons other than to say that if you think rifles aren't effective against them you need to (a) study the history of guerrilla warfare and (b) think about the political aspects of armed resistance and how the members of the police and armed forces are likely to respond to being asked to fire upon their countrymen. If necessary, consult with a few policemen and soldiers to clarify any uncertainty you may have about (b).

      The reason I carry a handgun is the same reason police officers carry a handgun, for self-defense. Handguns are defensive weapons. Rifles are offensive weapons, which is why they're carried by soldiers. Oh, and before you tell me I have no idea what I'm talking about, I should probably also mention I'm a former police officer and a former soldier and a current (part-time) firearms instructor.

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  7. Re:whatever haven't to rioting... by mmell · · Score: 3
    In the old days, rioters were young active people who cared deeply about their country, their government and their world.

    Looked at the average internet user lately? Hell, let's go above average - looked at the average /. user lately? I don't know about the rest of you, but it'll damned near take an act of G*D to get me to put down the mouse (well, an act of G*D or needing to refill my bowl of chips so I can fill my bowel with chips).

    Just sayin'. Give 'em bread and circuses, they'll pipe down quickly enough.

  8. They learned it from us? by mmell · · Score: 4, Funny
    I don't steal mp3's, I share them.

    Not saying it's right, just that it's so.

    1. Re:They learned it from us? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't steal mp3's, I share them. Not saying it's right, just that it's so.

      No, it isn't.

      Copying and downloading have NEVER been "theft", according to U.S. law.

      Further, you want to see how the copyright owners treat the content creators?

      Before you start making arguments about ethics and karma, maybe you should make sure you're on the right side of said argument.

    2. Re:They learned it from us? by mmell · · Score: 2
      It wasn't an argument, merely an observation. One based on my personal experiences and opinions. Yours may differ - but I still feel that they can define what they do with the information we give them as sharing. More so than sharing music online - in the case of corporations and the government, there's definitely an understanding between both parties involved. To be honest, when I've shared music, I doubt seriously that the original source was ever specifically aware of my existence. When corporations and the government share data, they do so (hopefully) with the clear understanding that it is taking place.

      Incidentally, I know your opinions and ethics differ from mine, but I'm not interested in arguing. Feel free to state a differing opinion, but don't expect me to suddenly change mine. I may end up on the losing side of this debate - but I'm not so sure it'll be the wrong one.

  9. My email to my Congress Critter. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Subject: CISPA version 3.0 - Also known as Feinstien's CISA

    Right now, Senator Feinstien (D-CA) and Sen. Chambliss (R-GA) are currently circulating around a "discussion draft" of a bill called "Cybersecurity Information Sharing Act of 2014." This is just as bad for civil liberties as the original CISPA - the Cybersecurity Information Sharing and Protection Act - and I would appreciate it, assuming that this bill actually makes it out of comittee, if you were to vote against it. Please remember that every vote you make influences our civil rights, and give or denies political currency to those who wish to curtail them. This bill will attract national and international attention from those people, both allies and enemies of the United States, who wish to justify the suppression of the rights of others. If, by allowing this bill to pass, we create an environment where neither the Bill of Rights or the Constitution are respected in the digital realm, what is to prevent future politicians from pointing at CISA and saying "Oh.. look, these politicians did it here, so we can get away with doing worse here" in the physical realm. CISA basically brings the concepts of "guilt by association," "wiretaps everywhere," "constructive prosecution," and "ubiquitous permanent surveillance" from NSA's Big Data (Facebook, Twitter, etc) wish-list to actuality. The security, privacy, and rights of future generations of American, and likely the world's, citizens are in your hands. Please be as vigilant in defending our rights as you are with yours.

  10. No pretense of protection this time by Culture20 · · Score: 2

    They must be feeling pretty secure if they don't need to pretend they're protecting us.

  11. Bipartisanship.. I think it's wonderful by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    We should be grateful that republicans and democrats come together in our time of need to provide a *safe and secure society*.

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  12. Thank you, US by johanw · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For destroying your own cloud industry and giving companies in other countries a better market. I hear already commercials each morning on the radio when I drive to work about a local Dutch company (KPN) advertizing their cloud because no forieghn governments have access to it.

    Cisco and Juniper will be pleased too when they find that more customers move to Huawei. At least the Chinese are not interested in "regime changes" in other countries.

  13. Re:You've proved that? by DigiShaman · · Score: 2

    The AC is correct in that you can't prove a negative. Meaning, you can't prove God exists, but can't prove he doesn't either. Faith and science are two entirely separate systems. Science through it's process describe the 'how' of the universe. Faith attempts to address the 'why'. And while I freely admit that my belief in God is based on faith, you still can't touch it with science =).

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  14. We need to win each time. They need to win once. by sandbagger · · Score: 2

    Here we go again. As politics is not an additive art, one hopes that the they managed to lean no lessons last time. One also hopes that the recent revelations will help make it easier for the public to see that unfettered 'We need all the powers, so trust us' lacks credibility.

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