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Elderly Mice Perk Up With Transfused Blood

Some exciting news, as reported by the Wall Street Journal, might make you glad that human blood is a renewable resource: "Giving old mice blood from young ones makes them smarter and improves such functions as exercise capacity, according to reports from two research teams that point to new ways to study and potentially treat diseases of aging. In one study, researchers at Stanford University and the University of California, San Francisco found that blood transfusions from young mice reversed cognitive effects of aging, improving the old mice's memory and learning ability. The report was published Sunday in the journal Nature Medicine. Two other reports appearing in Science from researchers at Harvard University found that exposing old mice to a protein present at high levels in the blood of young mice and people improved both brain and exercise capability. An earlier report by some of the same researchers linked injections of the protein to reversal of the effects of aging on the heart. ... What isn't known from all this research, said Buck Institute's Dr. [Brian] Kennedy, is whether young blood might also increase the life span of mice and, if so, what such implications for humans might be."

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  1. Vampirism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can see the dystopia: Young people selling blood to old folks to pay the interest on student debt, mortgage debt, credit card debt... the old generation literally sucking the blood of the new generation.

    1. Re:Vampirism by ketomax · · Score: 2

      Tru Blood is no match for true blood, if you ask me.

    2. Re:Vampirism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is how they keep Keith Richards alive, isn't it?

    3. Re:Vampirism by ozmanjusri · · Score: 2

      Norman Spinrad's "Bug Jack Barron"

      Or the first step to the pervasive organlegging in Larry Niven's Known Space. Where's Jack Brennan when you need him?

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    4. Re:Vampirism by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The young poor will be forced to give blood to the old rich. The old poor will be expected to die before they start actually using their social security.

    5. Re:Vampirism by ketomax · · Score: 2

      Here I diffed it for you.

      *** current.scenario 2014-05-05 14:16:07.554773500 +0530
      --- dystopian.scenario 2024-02-30 14:16:31.182773500 +0530
      ***************
      *** 1 ****
      ! Young people selling blood to old folks to pay the interest on student debt, mortgage debt, credit card debt... the old generation sucking the blood of the new generation.
      --- 1 ----
      ! Young people selling blood to old folks to pay the interest on student debt, mortgage debt, credit card debt, internet (neutrality) debt... the old generation literally sucking the blood of the new generation.

      Although, won't we be in the ruling class by then?

    6. Re: Vampirism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      (Another AC here)

      Anti-aging doesn't necessarily mean living longer, it can mean living in better health.

    7. Re:Vampirism by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      It's already happening in China. I know students who old a kidney to pay for their education. The UK isn't far behind, with sites catering to sugar babies looking for a daddy to fund their studies in exchange for sex.

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    8. Re:Vampirism by Cryacin · · Score: 2

      How about Montgomery Burns? He's been doing it for years!

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    9. Re:Vampirism by akpoff · · Score: 2

      My first thought as well: Methuselah's Children. IIRC this is where we first meet Lazarus Long.

      In the story Lazarus Long and others are long-lived due to breeding program that financially rewards people whose parents and grandparents are long-lived who marry. For many years they stay under the radar of popular society and government but when they're found out no one will believe it's genetic. Rather they believe the long-lived must have some secret.

      The long-lived escape Earth on a stolen spaceship. While they're gone scientists discover that blood transfusions extend life. And as ffactoid noted, it only became popular and viable once artificial blood becomes generally available.

    10. Re:Vampirism by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 2

      Just out of interest, where were you planning to go? Every country has its problems, and being honest the tradeoff between benefits and disadvantages in the US is one of the better ones, globally. It sure as hell could be a lot better and I don't like the direction it's going in, but lets be realistic here.

    11. Re:Vampirism by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      It's called the oldest profession for a reason. Pussy is a valuable commodity. Women used to get a lifetime of support, these days they can only get rent.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    12. Re:Vampirism by WormholeFiend · · Score: 2

      Yea but it does not explain Ozzy

    13. Re:Vampirism by Travis+Mansbridge · · Score: 2

      You're looking at it from the wrong perspective. Your username is EvolutionInAction, well death is evolution in action. It's uncomfortable to think about, but the long refinement process of evolution requires the old generation to die off after passing on the most beneficial genes to the new generation. Without death, species would not advance.

      Rather, we should not be afraid of death as some ultimate end, but instead realize our real opportunity for life beyond death, i.e. living through the genes and memes we have passed on in our lifetime. Through these, our "spirit" can be said to live on, in a very literal way.

    14. Re:Vampirism by jeffmeden · · Score: 2

      Well, what do you think would happen if we all lived much longer? Overpopulation.... And all those people need a job, but there aren't any.. We first need to rethink our society before we actually go and create 'immortality'...

      I know your comment was partly tongue-in-cheek but the reality is that if you improve the quality of life for individuals that are highly experienced (i.e. almost everyone that is old) you end up with a much more capable workforce. We already crossed the bridge of geriatric overpopulation back in the 70s when we got good at organ transplants and heart attack/stroke care. If we can keep the aging population feeling good and contributing to society we will end up much farther ahead than if we just keep going on the path of preventing death.

    15. Re: Vampirism by Flagran · · Score: 2

      I think you just made Johann's point for him. Your death will lead to a more pleasurable existence for those future generations.

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  2. Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303417104579541950544978572

    1. Re:Link by LordLimecat · · Score: 2

      It doesnt show up because someone didnt complete the A tag. This is the source of the summary:
      [a] makes them smarter and improves such functions as exercise capacity[/a]

      Whoops. Missing an HREF there.

  3. Not quite the "Quadrupling of life span".... by wisebabo · · Score: 2

    ... that they got from another study: http://www.grg.org/SMelov.htm

    but at least these mice weren't genetically engineered to only live a week to begin with so this result may have a (lot) more relevance.

    Fortunately despite the worries of the (first!) poster, hopefully we won't descend into a civilization where the old literally becomes a vampiritic parasite on the young. They've already identified, isolated and synthetically produced (the?) protein which causes this effect so we'll be able to get the benefits without bloodletting. Still makes (made?) a great premise for science fiction/vampire movies.

    As an aside, I'm impressed by how Harvard, a decade or two ago, seemed to make the decision not to go into (what I thought) was the trendy/hot science of genetic engineering but instead has invested hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars into becoming the(?) center for stem cell research. Meanwhile, genetic engineering seemed to have been sidetracked by "junk DNA" and epigenetics and in general the overwhelming complexity of the human genome (although the invention of CRISPR is a major major advance). Was it obvious to biologists that this was the right decision? Go Crimson!

  4. bathing in the blood of young peasants by jsepeta · · Score: 3, Funny

    maybe vlad the impaler's wife was on to something!

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    1. Re:bathing in the blood of young peasants by FauxReal · · Score: 2

      I thought the legend was about Elizabeth Báthory?

    2. Re:bathing in the blood of young peasants by Torp · · Score: 2

      You've got to give him points for attributing it to the wife and not to Vlad the Impaler himself :)
      But i don't mind the Bathory chick being mixed with Vlad - leads to more tourism.

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  5. Plasm + brain action by phantomfive · · Score: 2

    The injected 'young' plasma, which improved the ability of the hippocampus, which improved learning and memory. Obviously they are trying to isolate what exactly is different about the blood that is different.

    The focus is on the protein GDF11, which seems to cause improvements. The article suggests it will be three years before human testing of GDF11.

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  6. Re:Scientific Vampirism! by Camael · · Score: 2

    I LIKE this idea. Catch the slow and the stupid so that I might drain them of their own precious bodily fluids so that I might prolong my own life.

    You do realise that the rich and powerful can easily pay the fast and the strong to catch you so that they can drain your precious bodily fluids so that they can prolong their own lives. Still like the idea?

  7. Saw this with my mom. by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 5, Interesting

    She would recover for about six weeks.

    But on the third time- she died of blood poisoning- which is a risk from getting a blood transfusion.

    But it was kinda like I got to see her again after she had been gone for a long time, replaced by a sort of dotty, eccentric person. She was suddenly sharp, intelligent and the fuzziness went away.

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    1. Re:Saw this with my mom. by kyrsjo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sorry for your loss :(

      May I ask why was she getting blood transfusions in the first place, and how old she was? And recover from what?

    2. Re:Saw this with my mom. by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 2

      The way I understand, it was high ammonia levels from her body not cleaning her blood enough. So probably a liver issue of some kind.

      She was in her early 70's.

      For several years she'd gotten kinda dotty and spooky. We had all assumed it was just part of the aging process. The first time she had to get a transfusion- she recovered her faculties. It was like going from a 100iq to a 120iq.

      The way she described it was "foggy thinking" and "hard to think". Apparently nothing they could do with the underlying condition that caused the blood cleanup problems.

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  8. Actually, not really a new thing here... by tlambert · · Score: 3, Informative

    Isolate the protiens the young mice have that the old mice don't have. Blood transfusions aren't necessary... Just saline and protien.

    The previous studies that had the same result eventually concluded that it was the pluripotent stem cells in the blood which had come out of the marrow as part of normal blood production.

    On this basis, a treatment was developed (and insurance approved) using autologous stem cell transplantation; it's a common treatment for some types of cardiac events. There are also transplants involving harvesting of marrow stem cells, and then separating leukotic stem cells from those which are non-leukotic, and then growing and storing them while the patient undergoes radiation or chemotherapy to kill of their remaining marrow (this requires frequent transfusions to keep the blood volume of functional cells up, as the body is no longer replacing them itself at a high enough rate). Subsequent to this, the saved and separated cells are then transplanted back into the long bones (the rest of the interior areas of the smaller bones are allowed to be recolonoized by stem cells that escape the long bones). Since the treaments are autologous, you about conditions like interstitial pneomonitis, or the need for anti-rejection therapy, which is sometimes problematic when using a heterologous cell source.

    See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...

  9. Good for the economy? by wjcofkc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As it stands, hundreds of thousands of people in the United States donate blood and plasma everyday, not out of goodness of heart, but for the quick $50 you get. If it turns out that this procedure not only works on humans, but that the effects are substantial, and the FDA actually approved the practice, the value and price of blood would go up and the number of donors would skyrocket. This could cause problems like increasing the cost of a blood transfusion for someone who is bleeding out from a bad accident. It may introduce social problems like a suddenly expanding elderly population, but perhaps they would be better able to take care of themselves and would require less age-disease related medication. Then their is the problem of who pays for it. People who retired with a lot of money may be able to pay what could be a hefty price, but what of people in lower classes? If this extends life, would it not be a right to life issue where anyone past a certain age is guaranteed the procedure? Would Medicare pick up the bill? What about retirement and the employment market? Ideally we will discover that a whole blood transfusion is not necessary but that instead there is just one component of young blood that would need distilled, cloned, grown in a lab and infused in smaller amounts then a full transfusion.

    At the end of the day, life extension is one of the major goals of modern medicine, and aging itself is increasingly be viewed as a disease. Whether or not this pans out, eventually something will, and we will then enter into stranger times then we already live. Cheers to the future for better or worse.

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  10. There's also a cancer risk by MyNicknameSucks · · Score: 2

    Most of the coverage of this story is reporting the "Happy happy joy joy!" aspects (cure heart disease! reverse aging! improving mental agility!), but a few outlets are reporting that there's also a risk for cancer.