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Elderly Mice Perk Up With Transfused Blood

Some exciting news, as reported by the Wall Street Journal, might make you glad that human blood is a renewable resource: "Giving old mice blood from young ones makes them smarter and improves such functions as exercise capacity, according to reports from two research teams that point to new ways to study and potentially treat diseases of aging. In one study, researchers at Stanford University and the University of California, San Francisco found that blood transfusions from young mice reversed cognitive effects of aging, improving the old mice's memory and learning ability. The report was published Sunday in the journal Nature Medicine. Two other reports appearing in Science from researchers at Harvard University found that exposing old mice to a protein present at high levels in the blood of young mice and people improved both brain and exercise capability. An earlier report by some of the same researchers linked injections of the protein to reversal of the effects of aging on the heart. ... What isn't known from all this research, said Buck Institute's Dr. [Brian] Kennedy, is whether young blood might also increase the life span of mice and, if so, what such implications for humans might be."

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  1. Vampirism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can see the dystopia: Young people selling blood to old folks to pay the interest on student debt, mortgage debt, credit card debt... the old generation literally sucking the blood of the new generation.

    1. Re:Vampirism by Torp · · Score: 1

      Norman Spinrad's "Bug Jack Barron" :)
      Although it wasn't blood i think, and the young donors died.

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    2. Re:Vampirism by fractoid · · Score: 1

      Interestingly, in Heinlein's books there are lifespan-prolonging treatments based on regular blood transfusions. They only became popular once blood was able to be made artificially, though.

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    3. Re:Vampirism by ketomax · · Score: 2

      Tru Blood is no match for true blood, if you ask me.

    4. Re:Vampirism by pablo_max · · Score: 1

      I think you mean figuratively sucking the blood of the new generation. Since, you know, the heart pumps the blood out, so there is no sucking required. ;)

    5. Re:Vampirism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is how they keep Keith Richards alive, isn't it?

    6. Re:Vampirism by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      That was the first thing I thought of as well. When the greater part of humanity becomes aware that extreme lifetimes are possible (Howard families), that spurs longevity research which ends up producing the idea of "young blood" transfusions to keep people perpetually healthy. At the time, I thought it was probably completely unscientific (that is, something he'd come up with absent any evidence it would work). Now I wonder... was there evidence suggesting this result, fifty-odd years ago?

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    7. Re:Vampirism by ozmanjusri · · Score: 2

      Norman Spinrad's "Bug Jack Barron"

      Or the first step to the pervasive organlegging in Larry Niven's Known Space. Where's Jack Brennan when you need him?

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    8. Re:Vampirism by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The young poor will be forced to give blood to the old rich. The old poor will be expected to die before they start actually using their social security.

    9. Re:Vampirism by ketomax · · Score: 2

      Here I diffed it for you.

      *** current.scenario 2014-05-05 14:16:07.554773500 +0530
      --- dystopian.scenario 2024-02-30 14:16:31.182773500 +0530
      ***************
      *** 1 ****
      ! Young people selling blood to old folks to pay the interest on student debt, mortgage debt, credit card debt... the old generation sucking the blood of the new generation.
      --- 1 ----
      ! Young people selling blood to old folks to pay the interest on student debt, mortgage debt, credit card debt, internet (neutrality) debt... the old generation literally sucking the blood of the new generation.

      Although, won't we be in the ruling class by then?

    10. Re: Vampirism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      (Another AC here)

      Anti-aging doesn't necessarily mean living longer, it can mean living in better health.

    11. Re:Vampirism by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      It's already happening in China. I know students who old a kidney to pay for their education. The UK isn't far behind, with sites catering to sugar babies looking for a daddy to fund their studies in exchange for sex.

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    12. Re:Vampirism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I can see the dystopia: Young people selling blood to old folks to pay the interest on student debt, mortgage debt, credit card debt... the old generation literally sucking the blood of the new generation.

      And what percentage of the population do you think will engage in such a dark activity?

      If I had to guess, I'd say about.... 1%

    13. Re:Vampirism by Cryacin · · Score: 2

      How about Montgomery Burns? He's been doing it for years!

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    14. Re:Vampirism by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      You'll be old by then. So yes.

    15. Re:Vampirism by SuperDre · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Well, what do you think would happen if we all lived much longer? Overpopulation.... And all those people need a job, but there aren't any.. We first need to rethink our society before we actually go and create 'immortality'...

    16. Re:Vampirism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you read the summary you'd see they need young mouse blood not people blood.

    17. Re:Vampirism by Flavianoep · · Score: 1

      Gross! Now it will take me this whole week to recover my faith on humanity.

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    18. Re:Vampirism by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      Well, what do you think would happen if we all lived much longer?

      Fewer children, since people won't be in such a hurry to have them before it's too late.

      Which means population decline along with an aging population.

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    19. Re:Vampirism by akpoff · · Score: 2

      My first thought as well: Methuselah's Children. IIRC this is where we first meet Lazarus Long.

      In the story Lazarus Long and others are long-lived due to breeding program that financially rewards people whose parents and grandparents are long-lived who marry. For many years they stay under the radar of popular society and government but when they're found out no one will believe it's genetic. Rather they believe the long-lived must have some secret.

      The long-lived escape Earth on a stolen spaceship. While they're gone scientists discover that blood transfusions extend life. And as ffactoid noted, it only became popular and viable once artificial blood becomes generally available.

    20. Re:Vampirism by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1

      Except the exact opposite is happening, in most developed countries the population is stable or even in decline.

    21. Re:Vampirism by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 2

      Just out of interest, where were you planning to go? Every country has its problems, and being honest the tradeoff between benefits and disadvantages in the US is one of the better ones, globally. It sure as hell could be a lot better and I don't like the direction it's going in, but lets be realistic here.

    22. Re:Vampirism by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      It's called the oldest profession for a reason. Pussy is a valuable commodity. Women used to get a lifetime of support, these days they can only get rent.

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    23. Re:Vampirism by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Likely the same people who do the plasma donation thing now.

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    24. Re:Vampirism by EvolutionInAction · · Score: 1

      Either that's going to happen anyway and we should just get it over with, or it's never going to happen.

      Either way it's a horrible argument. We're inventive! We're good at surviving. We'll come up with something.

    25. Re:Vampirism by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      We can't necessarily make an artificial version cheaper than we could simply pay people to donate. We can't clone blood cells in a vat yet, and probably not any time soon.

    26. Re:Vampirism by WormholeFiend · · Score: 2

      Yea but it does not explain Ozzy

    27. Re:Vampirism by Travis+Mansbridge · · Score: 2

      You're looking at it from the wrong perspective. Your username is EvolutionInAction, well death is evolution in action. It's uncomfortable to think about, but the long refinement process of evolution requires the old generation to die off after passing on the most beneficial genes to the new generation. Without death, species would not advance.

      Rather, we should not be afraid of death as some ultimate end, but instead realize our real opportunity for life beyond death, i.e. living through the genes and memes we have passed on in our lifetime. Through these, our "spirit" can be said to live on, in a very literal way.

    28. Re:Vampirism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If it's higher levels of a certain protein, they'll just find a way to make that. Modify and enslave some bacteria or something.

    29. Re:Vampirism by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      If you read the summary you'd see they need young mouse blood not people blood.

      Giving a new twist to the age old question "are you a man or a mouse"?

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    30. Re:Vampirism by jeffmeden · · Score: 2

      Well, what do you think would happen if we all lived much longer? Overpopulation.... And all those people need a job, but there aren't any.. We first need to rethink our society before we actually go and create 'immortality'...

      I know your comment was partly tongue-in-cheek but the reality is that if you improve the quality of life for individuals that are highly experienced (i.e. almost everyone that is old) you end up with a much more capable workforce. We already crossed the bridge of geriatric overpopulation back in the 70s when we got good at organ transplants and heart attack/stroke care. If we can keep the aging population feeling good and contributing to society we will end up much farther ahead than if we just keep going on the path of preventing death.

    31. Re:Vampirism by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      How is this different then now. Other than the blood today is more metaphorical

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    32. Re:Vampirism by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

      If so, how long have select groups of people already been doing it?

    33. Re:Vampirism by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't be surprised if long term use of blood transfusions could cause allergies.

      What you really want is a brain dead clone to tap blood from (and supply replacement parts when necessary).

    34. Re: Vampirism by Johann+Lau · · Score: 1

      I don't give two fucks if it's natural, but I recognize deluded, selfish junkies when I see 'em. The idea is that it's better for 100 people to live 100 years each, than for me to live 10000 years. The idea is to shit, get off the pot, and let someone else have a turn.

      Instead of being cancer.

      Just like power, longer lives will be utterly wasted by those who crave them the most. The people who would be pleasurable to have around longer, are fine with playing a mere not in a symphony. The people who do want it, are generally too fucked in the head to be allowed to get it.

    35. Re:Vampirism by marcello_dl · · Score: 1

      In fact, I guess primitive life forms could well have been potentially immortal, and mortality could have been proven a good long term strategy.

      I have another argument: immortality is a statistical impossibility because whatever nearly impossible thing WILL happen to you, if you become potentially immortal. You'll get hit by a meteorite. So, you are looking at a looooooong time and then die anyway, and you can bet that one of your pseudo-immortal peers will be guys much powerful and/or much afraid to die.
      Picture a couple million years with Silvio Berlusconi around. Now still want to live?

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    36. Re:Vampirism by nomasteryoda · · Score: 1

      Wait, they did this in the Dark Crystal. Hmmmmmmmmm, Gefling life essence.

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    37. Re:Vampirism by R_Harrold · · Score: 1

      Heinlein covered this in "Methuselah's Children" back in 1941. The non-methuselahs set up cultured blood sources to bypass the deleterious effects on the young donors... -Robert H

    38. Re: Vampirism by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      This sucks because eventually in the future there will be a generation born that won't die.

      They'll die, eventually. Anti-aging cures won't keep you from being killed by a speeding bus.

    39. Re:Vampirism by EvolutionInAction · · Score: 1

      Hmm, what's the best way I can put this?

      BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

      No. Evolution happens when offspring get mutated genes from their parents. Actually, the older an organism gets the more mutations it's likely to pass on to its offspring! But this of course misses the larger point: Evolution is not good nor bad, it just IS. There's no advancing, wonderful goal. It's just a process that happens over time. We don't need to respect it or some garbage like that. We are alive, and we can do wonderful things. The only reason people romanticize death and "living forever by passing on our ideas" is because we have no choice. We've been beaten by death for so long that we have to try and justify it to stay sane.

      There is some truth to the saying that science (and everything else) advances one death at a time. Entrenched interests and viewpoints are hard to get rid of when they won't die off. On the other hand, I refuse to condemn people to death because I find their viewpoints annoying.

    40. Re: Vampirism by geekoid · · Score: 1

      I read that 1600 years would be about the longest someone would live based on accident probabilities.

      I did nothing to confirm that, but ir was written by people who do actuary and have Phd in statistics, so I took it at face value.
      I know, I know.

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    41. Re: Vampirism by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Bullshit.

      I want to live forever. I want to see where things go, I want to be there when we establish the first off world community, I want to watch great achievements, participate if events that are unimaginable at this time.
      I don't mind working while I do it.

      As for you? I have no problem if you end it at 100. Assuming you don't leave some else with an undue burden

      There is no 'idea' their is just what happens.

      So fuck you, you lazy quitter, I get shit to do.

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    42. Re:Vampirism by geekoid · · Score: 1

      We won't do that until we have a 'immortality' of sorts at first.

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    43. Re:Vampirism by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Specifically, countries with women who are educated and haven't had there reproductive rights stripped from them.

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    44. Re:Vampirism by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "...well death is evolution in action..."
      False.

      "Without death, species would not advance."
      wrong.

      Cheese's Christo*, you have no clue of what evolution is.

      *I'm hungry

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    45. Re:Vampirism by geekoid · · Score: 1

      There are immortal Jelly Fish.

      " Now still want to live?"
      Yes.

      Tech becomes cheaper with time.

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    46. Re:Vampirism by geekoid · · Score: 1

      So short sighted. What you want to to repaid the organ that puts whatever chemical causes this to happen.

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    47. Re: Vampirism by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Sounds reasonable to me. However, that's probably assuming current accident rates. If, for instance, we mostly abandoned private cars and mass-transit buses, and moved instead to SkyTran automated personal rapid transit, very few people would die in road accidents. That'd probably leave natural disasters and murders as the main killers of humans: storms, asteroids, tornadoes, etc. Also, childhood accidents (kids falling out of trees, etc.).

    48. Re: Vampirism by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

      Yes, right now everything that lives ages and wears out and dies, making room for new generations. But why? If people can live longer PRODUCTIVELY and CREATIVELY, why not do so? I wouldn't want to be old and feeble and sick forever, but if I could be in my 30s or 40s forever . . . . or take hundreds of years to age from my 30s to 50s instead of just twenty . . . Think of the experience to be gained! OTOH think of the ossification of society if we all become Struldbrugs. Think of adventurous people being able to make long trips to other planets because we can afford the time! (Cities in Flight, James Blish) OTOH think of the bubble-wrapping as other people are terrified that an accidental death means losing centuries rather than decades, and safety regulations overcome everything else in life (Larry Niven touches on this in discussion of "boosterspice").

    49. Re:Vampirism by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

      Depends on whether fertility (with healthy children) continues through the longer lifespan. Perhaps people will be in MORE of a hurry to have a few children while they are young and healthy, and then start taking anti-aging drugs in their late 30s or early 40s. Ideas of marriage and relationships might change; even the happiest couple might want a change after 50 or 100 years . . . And why do people need a job? Buckminster Fuller pointed out in the 1950s that there IS enough to go around (at least, there was then).

    50. Re:Vampirism by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1

      Tha'ts an interesting perspective, not the education aspect but the abortion one. A spot of idle Googling reveals alarm in Japan that the country had 260,000 fewer people from one year to the next, while at least 210,000 abortions were carried out (probably more). I'd have serious doubts that the population decline in these countries is solely due to abortions though despite the close numerical correlation, look up "herbivore men" for an example of much larger contributory social trends.

    51. Re: Vampirism by Flagran · · Score: 2

      I think you just made Johann's point for him. Your death will lead to a more pleasurable existence for those future generations.

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  2. Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303417104579541950544978572

    1. Re:Link by Noishkel · · Score: 1

      thanks. For some reason the link didn't want to show up for me. Must be one of my extensions.

    2. Re:Link by LordLimecat · · Score: 2

      It doesnt show up because someone didnt complete the A tag. This is the source of the summary:
      [a] makes them smarter and improves such functions as exercise capacity[/a]

      Whoops. Missing an HREF there.

    3. Re:Link by Smurf · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the link to TFA. (I included a hyperlinked version for the benefit of the copy-paste impaired).

      Reading that WSJ article allowed me to find the actual scientific paper in Nature Medicine , for those so inclined. Unfortunately it's paywalled except for the abstract and figures but those in the target audience of the paper probably have access through their institutions.

    4. Re:Link by hutsell · · Score: 1

      http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303417104579541950544978572

      The article written by Bruce Goldman of the Stanford University School of Medicine is a closer source to the original research without being paywalled. It's better than the Wall Street's version; there's less fluff with a little more depth in the explanation and also includes additional links to related sources.

      Ineterestingly noted was that this is considered an unsophisticated critical experiment; unsophisticated in that anyone could have done this decades ago without any real knowledge on the workings of the brain itself; critical because of the type results that could be acquired based on the experiment's simplicity in design — it hadn't occurred to anyone to try.

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  3. Scientific Vamperisim! by Noishkel · · Score: 1

    I LIKE this idea. Catch the slow and the stupid so that I might drain them of their own precious bodily fluids so that I might prolong my own life.

    On a somewhat less silly note I do wonder just how much of an improvement can be had via this. And more importantly how might it be applied to new treatment techniques. Using some of the regenerative techniques maybe we could culture, say, the bone marrow of a baby and use it to constantly produce fresh blood. Maybe every few years go in for a completely 'oil change'.

    1. Re:Scientific Vamperisim! by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      Sigma protocol.

    2. Re:Scientific Vamperisim! by Noishkel · · Score: 1

      Never heard of that novel. But it DOES look interesting.

      And really I was thinking a bit more of some of Heinlein's later works. One way they slowed aging involved replacement blood.

    3. Re:Scientific Vamperisim! by hutsell · · Score: 1

      It seems surprisingly close in detail to The Hunger, 1983, Starring: Catherine Deneuve, David Bowie, and Susan Sarandon.

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    4. Re:Scientific Vamperisim! by alexhs · · Score: 1

      Also Traitement de choc (USA: Shock Treatment, UK: Doctor in the Nude).

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    5. Re:Scientific Vamperisim! by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Apparently you can give blood every 56 days. How often are transfusions needed, and would be able to store enough of your young blood to have a noticeable impact in old age. I wonder if this would work with storing your own blood when you're young, freezing it, and then transfusing it when you are older. If not, perhaps an organization could be developed such that people could donate into the system, for immediate use, and they'd be able to take out an equivalent amount of blood later when they needed it. Kind of like a pension plan or social security for blood. Any excess blood that wasn't needed because people paying in died in an accident and didn't need it could be used for the emergency blood transfusions. Could be a decent way of getting the current blood supply up.

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    6. Re:Scientific Vamperisim! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Blood can't be stored for prolonged periods of time. Don't offhand recall the time span, but it's weeks or months rather than years or decades.

      What might be the answer is long term storage of blood stem cells, like so called 'cord blood' repositories. Here parents send off a small sample of the newborn's child blood from the umbilical cord and deep freeze it. The original idea was that if the child developed leukemia, you could use the cord blood to restart the bone marrow after you killed all the cancerous cells.

      As manipulative technology improves, it could possibly be used to make in vitro samples of your own blood many years later. Of course, that's going to be expensive. Success not guaranteed. Not covered by Obama Care (or any other insurance). YMMV.

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    7. Re:Scientific Vamperisim! by chooks · · Score: 1

      You can store blood, properly prepared for up to 10 years at -65C. You have to use glycerol as a storage medium. People with rare phenotypes can freeze their own blood for use later when they need it. Athletes can freeze their blood to use it for doping at the appropriate time (see Tyler Hamilton's book The Secret Race for more of this type of usage).

      Fresh blood can be stored from anywhere 35-42 days, depending on the storage solution used (e.g. CPDA-1 or CPD + additives).

      ...the more you know

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    8. Re:Scientific Vamperisim! by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

      We don't have enough people donating for current medical needs, I don't see people donating for this unless it pays well.

  4. Not quite the "Quadrupling of life span".... by wisebabo · · Score: 2

    ... that they got from another study: http://www.grg.org/SMelov.htm

    but at least these mice weren't genetically engineered to only live a week to begin with so this result may have a (lot) more relevance.

    Fortunately despite the worries of the (first!) poster, hopefully we won't descend into a civilization where the old literally becomes a vampiritic parasite on the young. They've already identified, isolated and synthetically produced (the?) protein which causes this effect so we'll be able to get the benefits without bloodletting. Still makes (made?) a great premise for science fiction/vampire movies.

    As an aside, I'm impressed by how Harvard, a decade or two ago, seemed to make the decision not to go into (what I thought) was the trendy/hot science of genetic engineering but instead has invested hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars into becoming the(?) center for stem cell research. Meanwhile, genetic engineering seemed to have been sidetracked by "junk DNA" and epigenetics and in general the overwhelming complexity of the human genome (although the invention of CRISPR is a major major advance). Was it obvious to biologists that this was the right decision? Go Crimson!

  5. bathing in the blood of young peasants by jsepeta · · Score: 3, Funny

    maybe vlad the impaler's wife was on to something!

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    1. Re:bathing in the blood of young peasants by FauxReal · · Score: 2

      I thought the legend was about Elizabeth Báthory?

    2. Re:bathing in the blood of young peasants by Torp · · Score: 2

      You've got to give him points for attributing it to the wife and not to Vlad the Impaler himself :)
      But i don't mind the Bathory chick being mixed with Vlad - leads to more tourism.

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  6. Overlords! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I, for one, welcome our new vampire overlords!

    1. Re:Overlords! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I, for one, welcome our new vampire overlords!

      The fact that you don't think they've been doing this for years to you suggests that the victims are very unaware they are a host to feed on.

      You know, kind of like that same stinky cloud of ignorance around social media. The average consumer has no fucking clue they are the product.

  7. Plasm + brain action by phantomfive · · Score: 2

    The injected 'young' plasma, which improved the ability of the hippocampus, which improved learning and memory. Obviously they are trying to isolate what exactly is different about the blood that is different.

    The focus is on the protein GDF11, which seems to cause improvements. The article suggests it will be three years before human testing of GDF11.

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  8. Isolate the Protiens by steeleyeball · · Score: 1

    Isolate the protiens the young mice have that the old mice don't have. Blood transfusions aren't necessary... Just saline and protien.

    1. Re:Isolate the Protiens by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

      Salty protein injection joke here...

    2. Re:Isolate the Protiens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Salty protein injection joke here...

      OK.

      Don't think this will work. Otherwise, Mary Kay would have been promoting swallowing years ago to maintain a good complexion, and the divorce rate would be at 2%.

      If this were true, Sephora would own every sperm bank in the country, and young men could pay their way through college jerking off. Ah, the American Dream...

    3. Re:Isolate the Protiens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's spelled "protein" for fuck's sake. Do you not see that red squiggly line?

    4. Re:Isolate the Protiens by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      This is not a hoax, though it's reported as one.

      http://campalicious.tribe.net/...

      Ladies, swallow. It's for your own good.

      Forgot where I was for a second. Show the study to your moms and give them my #.

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    5. Re:Isolate the Protiens by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      I tend to trust Snopes on this one:
      http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/...

      Sadly.

    6. Re:Isolate the Protiens by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      What you believe isn't really key to the discussion? What does your woman believe.

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    7. Re:Isolate the Protiens by Remus+Shepherd · · Score: 1

      It might not be that the young mice have something the old mice don't. It might be that old blood has too much debris -- malformed platelets, histamines, hormones, viruses, and rubble from collapsed cell walls. That junk could be gunking up the metabolic works in the elderly. Then you're not looking for a protein factor, you're looking for a filter, which is much more difficult to develop.

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  9. The blood of a virgin .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Wait ... I can just use my own :(

  10. When do we do human trials? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    We need to progress this technology quick. We need to progress human trials. It is important we know if this method could improve human function as well such as doing endurance sports like cycling.

  11. Re:Scientific Vampirism! by Camael · · Score: 2

    I LIKE this idea. Catch the slow and the stupid so that I might drain them of their own precious bodily fluids so that I might prolong my own life.

    You do realise that the rich and powerful can easily pay the fast and the strong to catch you so that they can drain your precious bodily fluids so that they can prolong their own lives. Still like the idea?

  12. Dayam! by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    I just saw a Spiderman movie with a similar plot

  13. Thieving American Scientists!!!!! by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 1

    Stealing advanced Romanian scientific discovery!!!!!

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  14. Saw this with my mom. by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 5, Interesting

    She would recover for about six weeks.

    But on the third time- she died of blood poisoning- which is a risk from getting a blood transfusion.

    But it was kinda like I got to see her again after she had been gone for a long time, replaced by a sort of dotty, eccentric person. She was suddenly sharp, intelligent and the fuzziness went away.

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    1. Re:Saw this with my mom. by kyrsjo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sorry for your loss :(

      May I ask why was she getting blood transfusions in the first place, and how old she was? And recover from what?

    2. Re:Saw this with my mom. by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 2

      The way I understand, it was high ammonia levels from her body not cleaning her blood enough. So probably a liver issue of some kind.

      She was in her early 70's.

      For several years she'd gotten kinda dotty and spooky. We had all assumed it was just part of the aging process. The first time she had to get a transfusion- she recovered her faculties. It was like going from a 100iq to a 120iq.

      The way she described it was "foggy thinking" and "hard to think". Apparently nothing they could do with the underlying condition that caused the blood cleanup problems.

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    3. Re:Saw this with my mom. by kyrsjo · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that sounds about right:
      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pm...
      a paper found by a google search on amonia regulation in the body. It mentions that amonia is important for creating "hepatic coma" and high amonia levels are correlated to "meat intoxication".

      It's interesting that the symptoms sounds remarkably similar to the dementia old people often get. I wonder if one could treat exess amonia with dialysis?

  15. Actually, not really a new thing here... by tlambert · · Score: 3, Informative

    Isolate the protiens the young mice have that the old mice don't have. Blood transfusions aren't necessary... Just saline and protien.

    The previous studies that had the same result eventually concluded that it was the pluripotent stem cells in the blood which had come out of the marrow as part of normal blood production.

    On this basis, a treatment was developed (and insurance approved) using autologous stem cell transplantation; it's a common treatment for some types of cardiac events. There are also transplants involving harvesting of marrow stem cells, and then separating leukotic stem cells from those which are non-leukotic, and then growing and storing them while the patient undergoes radiation or chemotherapy to kill of their remaining marrow (this requires frequent transfusions to keep the blood volume of functional cells up, as the body is no longer replacing them itself at a high enough rate). Subsequent to this, the saved and separated cells are then transplanted back into the long bones (the rest of the interior areas of the smaller bones are allowed to be recolonoized by stem cells that escape the long bones). Since the treaments are autologous, you about conditions like interstitial pneomonitis, or the need for anti-rejection therapy, which is sometimes problematic when using a heterologous cell source.

    See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...

    1. Re:Actually, not really a new thing here... by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Stem cells appear to be a non-renewable resource, and there are signs in the very elderly that as the remaining count approaches zero, so does the life expectancy.
      Would that not imply that transplants and transfusions prolongs the life expectancy and quality of the recipients while at the same time reducing it for the donors?

      In other countries, the blood and marrow of aborted foetuses might be used as a source, but here in the magic-thinking US, that won't fly for several more generations.
      So who is going to provide the young blood stem cells? The prison population, perhaps?

  16. Good for the economy? by wjcofkc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As it stands, hundreds of thousands of people in the United States donate blood and plasma everyday, not out of goodness of heart, but for the quick $50 you get. If it turns out that this procedure not only works on humans, but that the effects are substantial, and the FDA actually approved the practice, the value and price of blood would go up and the number of donors would skyrocket. This could cause problems like increasing the cost of a blood transfusion for someone who is bleeding out from a bad accident. It may introduce social problems like a suddenly expanding elderly population, but perhaps they would be better able to take care of themselves and would require less age-disease related medication. Then their is the problem of who pays for it. People who retired with a lot of money may be able to pay what could be a hefty price, but what of people in lower classes? If this extends life, would it not be a right to life issue where anyone past a certain age is guaranteed the procedure? Would Medicare pick up the bill? What about retirement and the employment market? Ideally we will discover that a whole blood transfusion is not necessary but that instead there is just one component of young blood that would need distilled, cloned, grown in a lab and infused in smaller amounts then a full transfusion.

    At the end of the day, life extension is one of the major goals of modern medicine, and aging itself is increasingly be viewed as a disease. Whether or not this pans out, eventually something will, and we will then enter into stranger times then we already live. Cheers to the future for better or worse.

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    1. Re:Good for the economy? by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      $50!?! Seriously I'm surprised that not everyone does it for that price. I'm pretty sure you don't get paid in Canada. It's always referred to as "donating" blood. Apparently you can give blood every 56 days. I think that many people would welcome an extra $300 a year.

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    2. Re:Good for the economy? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      You don't generally get paid for whole blood. But they do for plasma, which can also be donated more regularly.

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    3. Re:Good for the economy? by operagost · · Score: 1

      value and price of blood would go up and the number of donors would skyrocket. This could cause problems like increasing the cost of a blood transfusion for someone who is bleeding out from a bad accident

      Not once the "number of donors... skyrocket".

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  17. Mr Burns... by nhat11 · · Score: 1

    Exxcccceellleennntt

  18. There's also a cancer risk by MyNicknameSucks · · Score: 2

    Most of the coverage of this story is reporting the "Happy happy joy joy!" aspects (cure heart disease! reverse aging! improving mental agility!), but a few outlets are reporting that there's also a risk for cancer.

    1. Re:There's also a cancer risk by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Realistically, curing heart disease, reversing aging, and improving mental agility are worth some cancer risk.

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  19. Next Google investment by NapalmV · · Score: 1

    Next Google investment you'll hear about is mice.

    https://plus.google.com/+Larry...
    .

  20. Ozzy by Elder+Entropist · · Score: 1

    Ozzy uses young bats.

    1. Re:Ozzy by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      I heard about blood doping sometime in the late 80s or early 90s. They take their own blood weeks in advance, refrigerate it and give it back to themselves prior to a sporting events to increase their endurance. There were rumors that rock stars were doing it for tours also.

    2. Re:Ozzy by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P... found it I knew I remember something about this from the 80s it was banned at the Olympics.

    3. Re:Ozzy by Ol+Biscuitbarrel · · Score: 1

      Ozzy's longevity you can chalk up to his Neanderthal lineage.

  21. Blood by Maxx169 · · Score: 1

    Ah, so now consuming the blood of virgins won't count as a purely recreational activity...

    1. Re:Blood by DQKennard · · Score: 1

      Ah, so now consuming the blood of virgins won't count as a purely recreational activity...

      Which means you may be able to deduct the cost as a medical expense.

  22. Stolen from the plot of some Movie.. by lippydude · · Score: 1

    The Immortal, 1969

    1. Re:Stolen from the plot of some Movie.. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I actually saw the pilot of that series as a kid.

  23. It's a trick... by mtrachtenberg · · Score: 1

    It's a trick to get the world's powerful sociopaths to worry about global warming.

  24. Mouse blood for humans? by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

    Does this work across species? Does this work if you inject young mouse blood into old humans? How about pig blood? As creepy as it sounds, I could imagine an enterprise that harvests animal blood and sells it to humans.

    Could you inject old human blood into young people as some sort of punishment? Or to educate them about what it feels like to get older?

    1. Re:Mouse blood for humans? by mtrachtenberg · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I can even imagine an enterprise that harvests animal flesh and sells it to humans.

    2. Re:Mouse blood for humans? by Walter+Bishop · · Score: 1

      Hum, no, you can't transfuse yourself blood from non-human animals. It would coagulate rapidly upon entering your bloodstream as it is attacked as a foreign body and quite possibly kill you by provoking a stroke / heart attack should the resulting clots reach the vessels around your heart or brain.

      Even with human-to-human transfusion you have to be very careful with blood groups, and blood has to be treated to remove immune cells (normally irradiated) so as to avoid triggering graft-vs-host disease (GVHD), a very severe illness in which two non-compatible immune systems fight against each other destroying your organs (skin, liver, muscles, lungs, mucosa, ect.).

  25. 1 year old dupe by mick129 · · Score: 1

    Is there some more information since last year?
    http://science.slashdot.org/st...

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  26. So South Park was on to something... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    ... with the "Krazy Kripples" story line where Christopher Reeve sucks down fetus blood to cure his quadriplegia and gain super-human strength:

    In "Krazy Kripples", Christopher Reeve comes to town to promote stem cell research. In order to 'cure' his quadriplegia, he is shown sucking the fluids out of fetuses from a medical bio-hazard container. With each fetus he sucks dry, Reeves becomes healthier and more dependent on them for his developing super human strength.

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  27. What about iron overload ? by Walter+Bishop · · Score: 1

    One harmful side-effect in multiple transfusion recipients is iron overload. Some people are more prone to this than others, depending on how good their genetics is at conserving iron. Overdose of iron can lead to liver damage in acute intoxication, liver cancer and increased oxidation phenomena in chronic cases. There are even hypotheses about surplus iron being at the origin of degenerative diseases like alzheimers / parkinsons. So people doing transfusions of young blood as a way to stay young might be exchanging a temporary increase in performance for steeply increasing risks of cancer and degenerative disorders.

  28. Instead of opening a bar when I retire... by Huge_UID · · Score: 1

    ...I will be opening a day care center.

  29. You kids .... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... stay off my lawn!

    On second thought, come on over and play.

    Muhaaahaaahaaa!

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  30. Good news, bad news by DQKennard · · Score: 1

    The good news is that you've been offered an intern position at a major healthcare provider, providing critical support for elderly patients...