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Swedish Fare Dodgers Organize Against Transportation Authorities

An anonymous reader writes "Every transit network has its fare beaters, the riders who view payment as either optional or prohibitively expensive. Many cities, most notably New York, view turnstile-jumpers as a top policing priority, reasoning that scofflaws might graduate to more serious crimes if left alone. But in Stockholm, the offenders seem to have defeated the system. From the article: 'For over a decade, Mr. Tengblad has belonged to a group known as Planka.nu (rough translation: “free-ride.now”), an organization with only two prerequisites for admission: Members must pay a monthly fee of about $15 and, as part of a continuous demonstration against the fare, promise to evade payment every time they ride. If travelers keep their side of the agreement, the group will cover any of the roughly $180 fines that might result. (An unlimited ride pass for 30 days costs about $120.)'"

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  1. Insurance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's just an insurance scheme. With heavier penalties, it would not work.

    1. Re:Insurance by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      With heavier penalties, it would not work.

      If heavier penalties fixed anything, nobody in the USA would do drugs or drive drunk.

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    2. Re:Insurance by BasilBrush · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Singapore on the other hand, has a consistent and well-enforced policy: sell drugs, you get executed. Note that drug usage in SG is near zero.

      How do you know? An alternative theory is that the penalty just makes those that disobey the law more careful.

      For a tiny city state, it seems to have an awfully busy Narcotics Bureau, with many sizable drug trafficker incidents.
      http://www.cnb.gov.sg/newsroom...

      That's not near zero.

      In any country, the number caught is a fraction of the number that are not caught. It's quite likely that the fraction is even lower in Singapore as dealers take more care.

    3. Re:Insurance by sir-gold · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There is a certain addictive feeling that comes with stealing (or breaking the law, or simply lying habitually) and getting away with it. Similar to a "runner's high", but with less running.
      As with any drug, repeated exposure builds tolerance, doubly-so for a "drug" created by a stressful situation that isn't as stressful the second time around.
      This is why people who are addicted to "getting away with it" feel the need to escalate to bigger and bigger risks, in order to chase that same high.

      This is why Sweden doesn't want people to get "addicted" to fare jumping, they are afraid that it might escalate into something more

    4. Re:Insurance by Mashiki · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Considering the low level that's required to "blow over" for the last 10+ years? Pretty sure we've got a problem, considering two off the shelf beers will put you over the legal limit in most places, or a run-of-the-mill mixed drink.

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    5. Re:Insurance by Mitchell314 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just don't drink and drive. It's not rocket science.

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    6. Re:Insurance by Loki_1929 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The feds have stepped in before to shut down operations with no evidence of cross-border activity. If the trade of it crosses the border somewhere, the feds have jurisdiction. Just like in-state kidnappings are under the jurisdiction of the feds (if they want it). Because some kidnappings sometimes cross borders, the feds can assume that all do.

      The Feds have stepped all over states' rights since the founding of this country; moreso in the past few decades. The states have finally begun to take notice and many are working to reclaim those rights. The Feds have only been able to get away with it for so long because the states didn't try to stop them. With that changing, things are going to get more and more interesting. As evidence, there have been many recent proposed amendments to state bills on everything from guns to Marijuana that have directed state police to prevent Federal authorities from enforcing Federal laws contrary to the state laws where the state is given priority in the Constitution or at least to not assist Federal authorities in executing such Federal laws. Some have even called for the arrest of Federal authorities taking such actions. While these have been largely defeated thus far, the idea of proposing them would have been unthinkable just a decade ago. There's been a progression that seems to be leading toward state authorities actively resisting Federal authorities enforcing apparently unconstitutional laws.

      Ah, so the Supreme Court is wrong, and you are right. But nobody listens to you, so I'll quote the Supreme Court before you.

      Not the first time the Supreme Court has been wrong. The Supreme Court decided "separate but equal" was constitutional. It decided Japanese interment was constitutional. And it was apparently constitutional to fire teachers who were members of "subversive" groups. Well, at least until the Supreme Court reversed itself. That's happened numerous times before and it'll almost certainly happen again.

      The Supreme Court can rule that Catholicism is the national religion of the United States and that everyone in the US must convert to and practice it zealously. That doesn't make it correct. It can rule that a Federal law stripping all registered Democrats of the right to vote is constitutional. It isn't. Our system of government is imperfect, as is every other. It's run by imperfect humans who are subject to any number of influences that can impede their objectivity. We the people need to stand up, collectively, when our government gets something wrong and get it fixed; not throw our hands up and declare all hope lost because the Supreme Court issued a ruling. We need to be able to do that without a full blown revolution too, since those tend to be very bloody, expensive, and destructive. The way we seem to be tending toward handling this is through our state governments. I think that's one of the healthier ways to correct Federal mistakes and I hope to see the trend continue. As the states assert an increasing level of sovereignty, we'll see the power and scope of the Federal government diminish. Hopefully, that continues until it no longer has such horrifyingly complete dominion over the citizens of the United States.

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  2. In the US the people running the organization by mark_reh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    would be charged with criminal conspiracy.

    1. Re:In the US the people running the organization by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, what kind of barbaric country would stop people from planning to kill somebody?

      RICO, the primary American anti-racketeering law, has been used against political protesters.

    2. Re:In the US the people running the organization by mark_reh · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Taking advantage of loop-holes is perfectly legal and extremely American. We have always been about following the letter but not the intent of the law which is why we're still arguing about guns, abortion, and grazing fees on federal land. Mitt Romney takes advantage of loop-holes in tax laws to hide his money from US taxes by shuffling it around shell corporations in the Cayman islands. Mitt pays accountants and lawyers to set all that stuff up. The whole reason the US produces so many lawyers is to help rich people and corporations walk right up the the often fuzzy line between what is legal and what isn't.

      Taking advantage of loop-holes is not the same thing as breaking laws. The people in Sweden are breaking laws by not paying for tickets to ride mass transit. The group that is encouraging and assisting them to break the law is no different that any other organized criminal gang. Now that they've invented/discovered the advantage of organizing criminal activity (duh!), I wonder what business they might get into next. I hear there's a lot of money to be made in drugs and prostitution.

    3. Re:In the US the people running the organization by mark_reh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Political protest is not illegal in the US. However, breaking laws as a form of political protest (or as a means of generating income, or whatever other purpose you can think of for breaking laws) is illegal.

    4. Re:In the US the people running the organization by _Shad0w_ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Chapter 23 of the Swedish Penal Code is titled "On Attempt, Preparation, Conspiracy and Complicity".

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    5. Re:In the US the people running the organization by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Informative

      When RICO was used against political protesters, it was not used by prosecutors or police. It was used by their political opponents in a civil suit, and the penalties were not accessed against the protesters (who broke the law), but against the organizations the protestors were assumed to be representing, many of which did not condone the law breaking. This was not at all an attempt to punish lawbreaking, but was a clear attempt to silence dissent. In 2003, the Supreme Court ruled unanimously against this particular abuse of racketeering laws.

  3. Public transit by rossdee · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Or the Transit Authority can lower the monthly cost for a full time rider to $14.99, and get the government to covere the difference from tax revenue. It is a socialist country you know.
    Just increase the tax on petrol (or whatever is Swedish for gasoline)

    1. Re:Public transit by Zironic · · Score: 5, Informative

      The fine you get when you're caught dodging the fare is legally not a fine but a punitive ticket price(straffavgift). If you're caught by the police dodging the fare (Sometimes they stand around trying to catch criminals or illegal immigrants) then you get an actual fine (ordningsbot) which is actually not covered by planka.nu and can show up on your permanent record.

      Essentially it's important to understand that Sweden makes an extremely clear distinction between those that have the authority to handle criminal matters and those who do not, the metro does not.

    2. Re: Public transit by Strider- · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So people who drive cars, and therefore use public transportation less or not at all, should pay more so that people who do use the system pay less?

      Well, the drivers get the very real benefit of fewer vehicles on the roads. Even if we ignore Stockholm's (very good) subway system, a bus carrying 40 passengers probably means 15+ cars that are not on the road.

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    3. Re: Public transit by BasilBrush · · Score: 3, Informative

      So people who drive cars, and therefore use public transportation less or not at all, should pay more so that people who do use the system pay less?

      Absolutely! That's how you tackle congestion. The more people that use cheap public transport the less cars there are on the road.

      Did you know that the American cities that used to have good public tram systems lost them because the automobile industry bought them out and scrapped them, so people had no choice but to buy a car. That misdeed needs undoing.

  4. In other parts of the world... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is known as organized crime.

  5. Not heroes by JavaBear · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These people are parasites, and leeches, whose evasion is helping to drive UP the cost for everybody else.
    Public transportation is en expensive service, mostly subsidized through taxes, these hypocritical parasites help make it that much more expensive for everybody else.

    I hope the Swedish authorities take an idea that was floated when the same was about to happen in Denmark.

    The fines the "organization" pay, are to be treated as taxable income.

  6. In the US the people running the organization by Dereck1701 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because the US "justice" system is such a shining example for the world. Threatening college students with decades of prison for "stealing" public research papers. Approving no-knock warrants resulting in hundreds if not thousands of innocent deaths. Militarization of police forces and the use of SWAT teams for even the most benign crimes. Crushing people pirating a few songs/movies with hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines. Yes, the rest of the world would do well to emulate us.

  7. Easy to fix by WhiteZook · · Score: 5, Interesting
    1. 1. The authorities should sign up their own staff, and issue them fake fines (1-2 per month).
    2. 2. Send the fake fines to Planka.nu
    3. 3. Collect underpants
    4. 4. Get reimbursed for hundreds of dollars, while only paying $15 a month: profit!
    1. Re:Easy to fix by NilleKopparmynt · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That is a very good idea! But as a person who travels using the Stockholm public transport every day I must add that the problem is far bigger than just "planka.nu". It is effectively free to use the public transport in Stockholm. I see at least five different ways people avoid paying. 1. Planka.nu who simply says that they are not going to pay and know that the lonely conductor (on the trams) is not going to do anything. 2. Middle eastern immigrants in groups that just says fuck off! 3. Swedes that comes with strange excuses like "oh, i forgot but I am just going one station". 4. Nervous Swedes that jumps in and out of the tram depending on where the conductor is. 5. Immigrants who just shake their head when the ticket checker arrives.

      I have traveled with the tram to and from work in Stockholm for almost three years now and I have so far yet to see the first fine handed out. The problem with this is that people like me who pay properly are such fucking losers. I assume that the economic reality will catch up with this sooner or later.

      Sweden is full of idiots like this. The worst organization is not "planka.nu" but "allt åt alla" (everything to everyone). They think that all the tax money collected should be handed out to anyone who needs money. It is obvious that they aim to receive money and have no ambition to contribute. Basically a modern version of a cargo cult

      The great Swedish welfare state is dead. We do not have a working military anymore which makes even the Estonian president to complain. The healthcare is the same. It exists but not for everyone no matter how much tax you pay. Sweden has the fewest hospital beds per 1000 people in Europe. A 27 year old Swede can look forward to 40% of the salary as a pension. A Greek 120%. The School is falling in the PISA statistics. All can be found in different OECD reports.

      I am soon emigrating. I am not paying anymore.

  8. Re:hike up the fines by NicBenjamin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Since the fine is apparently equal to 12 months of fees to the organization, that implies people only get caught once every two years. As a turnstile jumper you'd actually be better off not being in the organization and putting that $15 a month into a bank account to pay the ticket.

    If the government put a couple extra cops on the ticket turnstile beat and doubled the amount of tickets you issued they'd only break even, and if they tripled the number of tickets the group'd start losing cash. If the average jumper starts getting caught every 8 months, that's 1.5 times a year, which means they pay fines of $270, and an insurer needs $22.50 a month in revenue to cover costs. The best strategy would probably be to double the fine and double enforcement on the train lines for a few months. Either option makes the group break even, and combined they'd mean the group has to double it's fee.

    Of course back in the real world the Swedish authorities could easily conclude this is just mischievous kids being mischievous, and therefore the group should not be forced out of business.

  9. Re:hike up the fines by Nemyst · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nah, that'd also punish people who legitimately forgot their ticket or something along those lines. The much better idea is to increase repeat offender fines. If the first fine's only like $50, but the fifth is more like $500, those fare dodgers would very quickly go broke while normal people wouldn't be affected.

  10. Re:Hop the strass by dreamchaser · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Literally meaning, I ain't got no money. You may know the concept better as, open source.

    Weak troll is weak. People who write OSS are willingly giving the product of their efforts away for free. That's got nothing to do with scofflaws who deliberately steal a service that they are not paying for.

  11. Re:Hop the strass by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Those services are funded by tax payer money

    Those services are partially funded by tax payer money

    There, I fixed that for you.

  12. Thiefs think others should pay by aliquis · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Thiefs think others should pay, news at 11.

    I'm from Sweden and well aware of the idiots who think they have the right to pay when others do pay.

    They simply suck.

    I wish they all got caught and I wish everyone reported these idiots when they saw them.

    I still hate that I didn't when I saw someone jump in the back of the bus once here in Örebro.

    (Supposedly the immigrants in an immigrant dence part of the town have been doing this / (possibly threatening / ignoring the bus driver) here too.)

    Ass-holes, nothing to brag about. Shouldn't any idiot understand that everyone should contribute to the society to get the benefits out from it?

    You're free to believe that the fares should be free but not paying isn't the way to make it so. Do it politically and pay through taxes (most of these idiots are likely youths or leftish individuals who don't work anyway) and also realize that demand on transports would increase if everyone could travel for free.

    1. Re:Thiefs think others should pay by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I hope you do realize that when a Swede labels someone as a mere "leftist", the "leftist" individual in question would probably scare the shit out of an average American?

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  13. Re:You can't have services without paying for them by Zironic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's hard to describe with words how deeply the core principles of the Swedish state would be violated by your proposal. You are essentially proposing breaking down the entire system of government.

    SL (The owner of the metro) is a private corporation that is owned by the local county. Having a private company employ police in the capacity of policemen is unthinkable, it can simply not happen, ever. It violates every principle about division of power and oversight of power.

    Yes, the Chief of Police has the authority to send all his police down in the metro to catch people dodging fares if he wanted to. But what sort of perverse mind control would you use on him to make him do such a thing and how many seconds do you think he would remain chief of police if he did so? Catching people dodging fares is not part of his mandate and by ordering the policemen to do so, he'd make them unable to actually prevent crime. That sort of thing would force the oversight board to remove him on the spot.