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How Open Government Data Saved New Yorkers Thousands On Parking Tickets

jfruh (300774) writes "Ben Wellington is a New Yorker and city planner with an interest in NYC Open Data, the city's online open government initiative. One thing he noticed in this vast dataset was that just two fire hydrants in the city generated tens of thousands of dollars a year in tickets. The sleuthing by which he figured out why is a great example of how open government data can help citizens in concrete ways."

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  1. Classic NYPD objections too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    There have been some detractors along the way; a senior attorney for the NYPD said in 2012 during a council hearing that releasing NYPD data in csv format was a problem because they were “concerned with the integrity of the data itself” and because “data could be manipulated by people who want ‘to make a point’ of some sort”.

    1. Re:Classic NYPD objections too by AuralityKev · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No kidding - "Shut up before people realize we're SOAKING THEM!"

    2. Re:Classic NYPD objections too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Really, it's true. People shouldn't try to make or have points. I make it a policy of my own to never have a point. Now where was I going with this?

    3. Re:Classic NYPD objections too by plover · · Score: 2

      Exactly. This use of Open Data just cost the taxpayers of New York City $55,000 in revenue that they'll have to make up in some other obscure and slightly unethical way.

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    4. Re:Classic NYPD objections too by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 2

      Fire hydrant pun intended?

  2. If people would fight their tickets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...this would be resolved. It's clear from the first picture there's two competing rules. It's marked by the city as valid parking, but there's a fire hydrant. Which law supersedes the other? Probably the fire hydrant law, but a decent judge would have understood how the mistake was made and would throw out the ticket. If the city paid attention, they'd know to fix the space so as not to waste their meter maid's time.

    But nobody bothers to fight their tickets anymore. If you receive one that makes 100% sense, go ahead and eat it, but when there's some doubt, like this, fight it!

    1. Re:If people would fight their tickets... by itsenrique · · Score: 4, Informative

      Having been in traffic court a few too many times, let me tell you: fighting tickets is NOT what the judge is looking for. For this type of small time high volume casework they HEAVILY steer you toward making a plea and not stating your case to save time. They are usually not willing to hear people out and more punitive if you claim not guilty vs going the no contest route (what they want). I'm talking mostly about speeders, I've never been to court for a parking ticket, but I believe it may be the same court.

    2. Re:If people would fight their tickets... by bjackson1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Here is my problem with contesting parking tickets. I once had a rental in Chicago (as I did not own a car at the time) that I had for a weekend. About a month later I got a parking ticket in the mail forwarded on from the car rental agency for parking in a no-parking zone. However, I never parked there, nor was in that part of the city. I am guessing the meter maid wrote down the wrong date or time on the citation as I was never there.

      However, I was presented with two choices: 1) Pay 75 dollar fine 2) Take a day of vacation time to go to the city and contest it on a Thursday.

      At the time, I made an after-tax rate of around 150 dollars per day. Even if I could do it in a half day, I am paying 75 dollars to possibly recoup 75 dollars. If I lost the argument, I paid 75 dollars to pay another 75 dollars. This is a real kobiyashi maru type situation for me, in which I just paid the ticket. It wasn't fair, it wasn't right, but it's the choice that makes the most sense.

      I've also got a parking ticket that I didn't feel was just for being parked in front of a fire hydrant. That time it was me driving, however, I had pulled over to the side of the road to use my phone as I was getting an important call. While I was on the phone, (with four way blinkers on) a police officer came up and asked me to move, which I did. Before asking me to move, they took a picture of my car and sent in the ticket. This was completely legal (I was 'parked' in front of the hydrant), but completely unjust to me. Again, it wasn't worth my time to try to contest it. It was legal but unjust (in my mind)

    3. Re:If people would fight their tickets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If the engine was on and you were in the vehicle, you weren't "parked," you were "standing." Most municipalities have different rules for "no parking" and "no standing" because if there was a real problem (e.g. the building caught fire and they needed the hydrant) you'd presumably notice and get the hell out of the way.

    4. Re:If people would fight their tickets... by ahabswhale · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually for all crimes, regardless of severity, plea bargains are the order of the day. The legal system couldn't come close to handling even 10% of the cases if they were to go to court.

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    5. Re:If people would fight their tickets... by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've defended myself in such cases when I was in college and the local police were making a significant amount of their revenue through frivolous tickets. They brought in witnesses and everything in one case. Every time the city was extremely angry with me for taking it to court. The judge was ok with it however. The police officers were literally rolling their eyes in court. I asked one if she needed eye drops and the judge snickered.

      The problem with parking tickets is they are usually based on Ordinances which, in the USA, are often passed by committee... sometimes even by the local law enforcement and can be changed on a whim. In one case, they'd required a permit for certain parking spots which I had, but a few days before I got my ticket they "revoked" permit parking in that area with no notification or indication. I lost that case with the judges sympathy. The fines are too small to get a real lawyer for, but taking them to court at least deprives local government of any profit. Also, it's fun to play Perry Mason and give a cops a hard time on the stand. Just be respectful and don't argue with the judge. If the judge appears not to like you and/or be a "hanging judge" just sit back and lose. You might make things worse by being talking too much. In my experience though, you wont run into much of that in traffic court. Familly court however? Those judges, understandably, have a bad day, ever day... Just nod and agree with them.

    6. Re:If people would fight their tickets... by bzipitidoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You have to fight more creatively than that. As others have noted, many authorities cynically use situations like this to "generate" revenue. They've set the system up to make it difficult to fight and change. Going through whatever process they set up is not likely to have any effect.

      I tried their system on a red light camera ticket. Had my evidence that their yellow was too short and requested a hearing. The hearing was a total kangaroo trial. My evidence was ignored. It was picture number one showing that the light was red before the car crossed the painted line, and picture number two showing the red light and the car in the intersection. Verdict: guilty. End of discussion. That the light in picture number one would have been yellow if it had been set to the correct time was not considered. The judge advised me that I could go on to municipal court and raise that question there, where it would be considered. Well, maybe. But I was through with them. What would happen next if I went on? The muni court would rule against me and tell me I could appeal?

      They've also cunningly set their shakedown price at a low enough level that it's not worth fighting. The ticket was "only" $75. I fought anyway, but lost of course. Also, to dodge around the requirement that the accused gets to confront the accuser, they made this an offense against a city ordinance, not a traffic violation. So you don't get screwed by your auto insurance company seizing on this as an excuse to consider you a more dangerous driver, and raising your rates. This dodges around another problem, which is that they have nothing to show who was actually driving the car. They simply fine the owner, never mind who was driving.

      There's a flip side to this weaseling out of those legal requirements. The simplest way to fight is to refuse to pay. Their power to compel payment is much more limited. They can't put a black mark on your record and have the state stop you from renewing your driver's license or car license, because it's not a traffic violation.

      So, what to do? I can't vote against the politicians who set this all up, as I don't live in that city. I can however boycott businesses in that city, and I do. It's not just pure revenge, it's also prudence. I don't risk any more tickets if I never drive there.

      In a similar vein, I fight against the MAFIAA creatively. One can pirate, of course, and millions do. But what I did was dig into the backgrounds of the people they use in their battles to terrorize ordinary citizens. Specifically, their expert witnesses. In one case, the witness was affiliated with a university, and was using their name. I inquired of that university's provost whether they approved of this activity by their employee. Turned out, they didn't even know about it. And when they found out thanks to me telling them about it, they definitely didn't like it. Haven't heard a peep out of that expert witness since.

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    7. Re:If people would fight their tickets... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Last time I fought a ticket was in Lynnwood, WA. I won - it was a bogus ticket. The magistrate threw it right out within 10 seconds of the start of my case. Of course, the administrative fee for going to court was $125 - as much as the ticket itself. So what did I gain, except the loss of half a day?

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    8. Re:If people would fight their tickets... by rogoshen1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      how is that even remotely fair? if you get charged with something, you have to pay a fee to even argue the merits of that accusation?????

    9. Re:If people would fight their tickets... by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 2

      When I fought my ticket (officer thought I had no seat-belt when I did), there were no fees except for forfeiting the "early payment" discount and my personal costs of time and transportation to get there. This was in western Canada, so YMMV elsewhere.

      Another thing to keep in mind is you can get the early discount on part of a ticket if you only plan to contest another part. For instance, my ticket was for speeding (which I was and they had a radar gun) and the seat-belt (which I was wearing). I got a discount on the speeding portion and still fought the seat-belt part (I won because the officer didn't appear in court).

    10. Re:If people would fight their tickets... by Agripa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's fair because they say it is fair.

    11. Re:If people would fight their tickets... by LVSlushdat · · Score: 2

      My wife and I visited her sister last Christmas. Sister lives on a street where they have posted no-parking-for-street-sweeping. The day in question was Wednesday, which coincidentally was Christmas Day.. I strongly suspected they wouldn't do street-sweeping on Christmas Day, but I parked in sisters driveway anyway, just in case. Since I suspected they would sweep the following day, I made sure to have the car either out on errands or in the driveway during the time listed on the signs.. About a month later, I get a letter from the city parking authority telling me I've been fined $58 for violating the no-parking law. Interesting thing about the notice.. It lists my Nevada license plate number correctly, but the date/time listed were from back in November 2013, when we were in Las Vegas, NOT Oceanside California (oops.. I let the "cat-out-of-the-bag" as to location)... The letter gave instructions on contesting the ticket, either by mail affidavit or in-person. I sent the form they gave requesting a written administrative hearing, about two weeks later, I get a letter saying my claim was rejected, but if I still want to pursue it, I can request a hearing from a uninterested party, again either by a written affidavit or in person, AFTER paying the $58.. So I pay the $58, and send the written affidavit showing the FACT that the citation was materially wrong.. Several weeks later, get another letter saying "claim denied"... Talk about being a money-making machine... Oceanside Calfornia CAN KISS MY ASS...

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    12. Re:If people would fight their tickets... by Insightfill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Of course, the administrative fee for going to court was $125 - as much as the ticket itself. So what did I gain, except the loss of half a day?

      In the City of Chicago, the court fee for arguing a parking ticket is MORE THAN THE TICKET. I learned that the hard way, when a "No Parking" sign was pointing at a hydrant, but apparently the "No Parking" zone extended another 100 feet to the next intersection. Pay $50, or go to court for $65? (These prices are from 10 years ago; I can't believe it's gotten better since then.)

    13. Re:If people would fight their tickets... by Whorhay · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A small town where I grew up was infamous in the area for always having a cop hiding in the immediate vicinity of a 25mph speed limit sign. They would ticket anybody and everybody that was going above the limit when they passed that sign. It was well known that the only reason they could have a police department at all was that speed trap, and it was their main source of revenue for the town. That went on for more than a decade until one day they ticketed the wrong person, he turned out to be a lawyer that knew state traffic laws pretty well. He recognized that they had illegally reduced the speed limit on a state route. the law being they couldn't lower it below 35 without an extenuating circumstance like the presence of a school. So he took them to court and forced them to repay over a decades worth of speeding ticket revenue. He managed to completely bankrupt the town government and no one has to fear a speed trap there anymore.

      There is a city about an hour away from where I live now that has a reputation for speed trapping though they haven't done anything illegal that I can tell. They've just lowered the speed limit on a 15 mile stretch of interstate from 70 to 55, for no apparent reason other than to have a ready supply of speeders whenever they want. I have to drive through there periodically and I refuse to stop and conduct any business in their municipality. And I go out of my way to bring up the whole thing whenever someone mentions that town.

    14. Re:If people would fight their tickets... by pbhj · · Score: 2

      Only an injust system would charge a successful defendant costs rather than make an award of [reasonable] costs against the plaintiff. Ridiculous.

    15. Re:If people would fight their tickets... by danlip · · Score: 2

      Got a speeding ticket in Denver, went to court, I was offered a plea: they had me plead guilty to a broken tail light instead - it carried the same fine (plus court costs) but no points on my license. That's right, they routinely have people (dozens each day) plead guilty to an offense they didn't commit. I took the plea, mostly because to actually fight it in court I would have to come back another day; you don't get to argue your case on your originally scheduled court date.

  3. Bad coloring. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You could also paint your fire hydrants fire engine red or bright green so people would notice them instead of the blackish brown in street view. But seriously, if you have a hydrant on the sidewalk, you should have some sort of marking in the space saying its illegal rather than the standard markings.

  4. So that you don't have to RTFA by Ecuador · · Score: 4, Informative

    There was a fire hydrant on the sidewalk, with a bike lane between it and drawn parking spaces. In US cities you can only park where there is a parking space explicitly drawn, so this spot had exactly what you were looking for and people parked. And got ticketed. And this happened all the time, since it looked like a perfectly fine parking spot, but the NYPD disagreed. Apparently no-one had complained loud enough (I'd think such tickets would be very easily contested), but when this guy blogged about it after seeing the data and it went viral, the DOT fixed it relatively quickly by marking it as a no-parking space.

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    1. Re:So that you don't have to RTFA by Richard_at_work · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I do find the whole fire hydrant thing in the US a bit odd - we have hydrant points here in the UK, but they are below ground with a small manhole cover over it, and are also positioned so they cannot be trivially blocked (either in the road, or on the pavement). We don't seem to have any major issues with inaccessibility, so why the US?

    2. Re:So that you don't have to RTFA by iMichka · · Score: 2

      I thinks it's a question of money: "underground" hydrants in the streets are more expensive, and have to be checked regularly for dirt ... (once in a year in Germany if I remember well). So the US went for the cheap solution, which is fine but needs to make sure nobody leaves his car in front of the hydrant.

    3. Re:So that you don't have to RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh you poor Brits... You guys would cry that the US is confusing if you found out that the average American tea drinker used his left hand to hold the cup instead of the right. You people are simply never happy.

    4. Re:So that you don't have to RTFA by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 2

      I thought all hydrants were dry-barrel. The firemen remove the side caps and connect hoses, then open the valve using the large nut on top of the hydrant. The valve itself is below ground at the water main, connected by a shaft to the nut.

      The reason crashing into the hydrant causes the geyser is because the valve is either broken by the impact at the top of its shaft, or the shaft is sheared off and the stopper in the valve is pushed out by water pressure.

      That's how it was explained to me anyway. Maybe other systems are different.

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    5. Re:So that you don't have to RTFA by dcw3 · · Score: 2

      Yeah, so just keep being a jackass. I hope this happens when you do...
      http://boston.cbslocal.com/201...

      For more...
      https://www.google.com/search?...

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    6. Re:So that you don't have to RTFA by gurps_npc · · Score: 3, Informative

      Snow. The design you talk about works well if there is no snow on the ground. But you can't find underground hydrants if there is snow covering them. But the US has a lot more snow in a lot more urban centers. As such, we standardized on a design that works well whether it is in the snowy north or the hot south.

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    7. Re:So that you don't have to RTFA by lars_stefan_axelsson · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Snow. The design you talk about works well if there is no snow on the ground.

      Well, thing is we have the same kind of fire hydrant in Sweden as well. So the snow argument doesn't "hold water"... They're not difficult to find since being in the street there's not much snow on top of it (we clear our streets, if the fire engine can get there, then the fire hydrant can be used) and there's a sign on a post marking the direction and distance to the fire hydrant.

      It bugs me though that I haven't ever gotten the "why are manhole covers round" when interviewing in the US. My first answer would be, "They're not. Fire hydrants are rectangular for instance. Next question please..." :-)

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  5. Why is he so astonished? by Gothmolly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why is he left wondering why the DOT didn't analyze the parking ticket data? BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO. DOT and their associated fines act as the Executive, as opposed to the Legislative or Judicial Branches.

    It's trendy to consider society as a single organism in which everyone works for an optimal outcome, but the approach is flawed. The DOT is not in the business of analyzing which parking areas generate the most money, if anything, they should be in the business of optimizing the parking areas which make the LEAST money.

    +1 for geekiness and making the data accessible, but righteous indignation is really out of place and show a remarkable degree of insulation from the real world.

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    1. Re:Why is he so astonished? by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The point of good governance is not to trick people into breaking the laws. Because if the law is fair it should be their for the public good. No parking next to a hydrant means that fire fighters can have quick access to it. Parking could delay the firefighting time, and cause far more damage then the fines would produce.
      So it is important that people follow the laws, and not just put things so we can just bring in revenue.

      As with any big data project. We just don't just store the data and magic happens. There are questions to try to figure out and answer. Having the public ask the questions means you get more out of the data.

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    2. Re:Why is he so astonished? by evilviper · · Score: 2

      Why is he left wondering why the DOT didn't analyze the parking ticket data?

      Because the DOT is responsible for EVERYTHING having to do at all with roads. No question they analyze data on a regular basis, at the very least, to find which areas have the most accidents and therefore require upgrades. Plenty of logistics involved in DOT operations, so they definitely have staff that is capable.

      Personally, I think the NYPD should be the ones throwing up red flags, and alerting the DOT to a very poorly marked section of road. They're the ones issuing all those tickets, so they have all that data (the DOT does not). The cops apparently know the law better than motorists, and can easily see that they're issuing tons of fines right there. Presuming any ONE of those meter maids has EVER driven a car, they could surely see that the markings are confusing enough that they, themselves, would likely have made a similar mistake.

      DOT and their associated fines act as the Executive, as opposed to the Legislative or Judicial Branches.

      Neither legislative nor judicial branches would be any more responsible to "analyze the parking ticket data" than the DOT. Why do you think the Executive branch of government is *supposed* to be blind and stupid?

      The DOT is not in the business of analyzing which parking areas generate the most money, if anything, they should be in the business of optimizing the parking areas which make the LEAST money.

      Doing either one of those, requires them to analyze the data to find which is which.

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  6. Re:parking tickets in NYC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I thought people take the subway or the taxi. I didn't see any parking lots or garages in New York City / Manhattan. I didn't see any cars parked along the curb. I must be missing something.

    Glasses, I assume.

  7. Coming up after the break... by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    How NYC has to increase taxes because of "increased costs" of Open Data, which will amount to about 60-100k a year...

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  8. Alternate headline by Minwee · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Hacker arrested for stealing $57,000 from NYPD"

    "After breaking into government computers and accessing unauthorized data, in much the same way that Aaron Swartz and Andrew Auernheimer did before him, notorious terrorist Ben Wellington manipulated government records to steal over fifty thousand dollars directly from the people of New York City. In the interests of protecting freedom and democracy, SWAT teams arrived at the homes of Wellington, who hides behind the non-de-crime of "I (redacted) NY", along with members of his immediate family and his dog who was shot while trying to resist arrest.

    "The criminal mastermind is being held without trial in a secure, undisclosed location and has been denied access to telecommunications equipment for fear that he might use a pay phone to break into the Pentagon and whistle the correct codes to launch nuclear missiles at Mayor Bloomberg."

    "The Attorney General's office then went on to congratulate itself for protecting freedom everywhere, and urged everyone to enjoy their new twenty gramme chocolate ration."

    1. Re:Alternate headline by Minwee · · Score: 2

      You do know that Mr. Bloomberg doesn't get to keep the title forever, right?

      ...and that was the only thing about that story that seemed wrong?

  9. The Real Story Should Be... by sycodon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...how the city most likely deliberately ignored the parking issue because they were bringing in so much money. There is no doubt that they knew what was happening and made a conscious decision to leave things as they were.

    Government at all levels have become adversarial as those who are employed by it seek to protect their revenue stream at all costs.

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    1. Re:The Real Story Should Be... by Spamalope · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We'll need a follow up to see if they change the markings back in a year. Every 3-6 months the same intersections in Houston have missing signs with an officer standing by to issue citations. After a few days that sign is returned and the office moves to the next intersection on the list that 'just happened' to lose it's sign *again*.

      The traffic light and painted arrows say it's a turn lane? Well, the fine print of the traffic law says it isn't without a sign too, so pay your fine. I feel safer already, and felt even better when I found several more intersections they were playing the same trick with round robin.

    2. Re:The Real Story Should Be... by Ravaldy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you get a parking ticket and there is no signs, you need to take a picture. That will get you off the hook without seeing the judge. At least that's the case where I live.

    3. Re:The Real Story Should Be... by DutchUncle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Every New Yorker knows not to park in front of a fire hydrant. The question is raised by the practice of making a "protected" bicycle lane (on multilane streets) by changing the "parking" lane into a bicycle lane and changing the first traffic lane into a "parking" lane through painted indicators. It is not obvious that parking in the new parking lane is still considered parking in front of the hydrant. It makes practical sense that a hose would go across that space when needed, but it is is marked as parking and is no longer clearly adjacent to, or blocking access to, the hydrant.

      The purpose of that particular parking rule is fire safety (through access to the hydrants). There is no excuse for poor markings.

    4. Re:The Real Story Should Be... by DutchUncle · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, they didn't respond to "a citizen", they responded to lots of publicity.

    5. Re:The Real Story Should Be... by sjames · · Score: 2

      Looking at the pictures, that wasn't quite the case. It looked like there was a marked parking space that was too close to the hydrant. In a fair system, the benefit of the ambiguity should go to the driver. Especially since, at least in the pictures, the hydrant was far enough away that someone without a tape measure could believe it was 15 feet.

      The stats from TFA certainly suggest that this was the case.

    6. Re:The Real Story Should Be... by suutar · · Score: 2

      indeed, they claim to not have heard from a citizen ("we have received no complaints")

    7. Re:The Real Story Should Be... by AF_Cheddar_Head · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ex-Firefighter here. Part of the problem is having working room at the pumper panel for the driver. You need space at the hydrant to connect the couplings and also working room at the pump panel for the driver to connect and run the pumps. All this depends on how you lay the hoses out but yeah working room at the hydrant for both hydrant hook up and the pumper is necessary.

      FYI you can have multiple types of pumper setups:
      - Reverse lay (Pumper is closer to the hydrant)
      - Straight-in lay (Pumper is closer to the fire scene)
      - Relay (Multiple pumpers, one at the hydrant and one at the scene)

      And many variations.

      I have never done it myself but witnessed the infamous smash the windows and put the hose through the car once.

    8. Re:The Real Story Should Be... by digiulian · · Score: 2

      I've always wondered why don't they make the hydrants taller than cars, so firefighters could run hose across the roof/hood/trunk?

      Not only would this potentially look terrible but it would probably be a lot more difficult to connect a hose to a 6ft tall hydrant.... What if a UHaul was parked in the spot?

      Let's keep it simple and continue the current practice of keeping the area around hydrants clear.

  10. Re:Saved New Yorkers Thousands On Parking Tickets by Virtucon · · Score: 2

    New York City is far from broke. It's one of the most taxed cities in the country. In fact it's the highest.

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  11. Re:Unwritten rule of parking tickets. by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 2

    It reminds me of an acquaintance who claimed to have worked at a red light camera company, where he bragged about at random times, the traffic signal light could flash red just for 50-100 ms, snap a picture, then change back to green. That way, they could keep the flow of red light camera tickets going but without being caught on driver dash cams with extremely short (or no) yellow lights.

    Probably the best way tourists can fight back is to blacklist towns doing those shenanigans, but with larger cities like NYC, that can't really be done.

    The best way to fight back is to blacklist everybody who has ever been employed by a red light camera company.

    Use LinkedIn to track them down, create a public website where you name and shame them.

    If you can find out where they live, confront them at their houses in front of their families and neighbors.

    Until there's a social cost which makes acting like an amoral mercenary unprofitable, the number of amoral mercenaries will continue to increase.

  12. Re:Saves NYers nothing by KingOfBLASH · · Score: 2

    You have to be careful here. You create an incentive for people to bring false charges against someone else.

    Property should not be seizable unless as a punishment from the judge and it should go to general government. If I commit a crime, my property's not involved.