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Why NASA's Budget "Victory" Is Anything But

StartsWithABang (3485481) writes 'Earlier this week, attempts to cut NASA's budget were defeated, and it looks like the largest space agency in the world will actually be getting nearly a 2% budget increase overall. While common news outlets are touting this as a great budget victory, the reality is that this is shaping up to be just another year of pathetic funding levels, putting our greatest dreams of exploring and understanding the Universe on hold. A sobering read for anyone who hasn't realized what we could be doing.'

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  1. Government fails again by Kohath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe we shouldn't put our greatest dreams in the hands of government.

    1. Re:Government fails again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sure, Enron, JP Morgan, Bank of America, AOL Time Warner, Blackwater, Haliburton, Malaysia Airlines, ValuJet et al would do it much better and cheaper...

    2. Re:Government fails again by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe we shouldn't put our greatest dreams in the hands of government.

      6:30 a.m. You are awakened by your clock radio. You know it is actually 6:30 because the National Institute of Standards and Technology keeps the official time. And you can listen to your favorite radio station only because the Federal Communications Commission brings organization and coherence to our vast telecommunications system. It ensures, for example, that radio stations do not overlap and that stations signals are not interfered with by the numerous other devices â" cell phones, satellite television, wireless computers, etc. â" whose signals crowd our nationâ(TM)s airwaves.

      6:35 a.m. Like 17 million other Americans, you have asthma. But as you get out of bed you notice that you are breathing freely this morning. This is thanks in part to government clean air laws that reduce the air pollution that would otherwise greatly worsen your condition.

      6:38 a.m. You go into the kitchen for breakfast. You pour some water into your coffeemaker. You simply take for granted that this water is safe to drink. But in fact you count on your city water department to constantly monitor the quality of your water and to immediately take measures to correct any potential problems with this vital resource.

      6:39 a.m. You flip the switch on the coffee maker. There is no short in the outlet or in the electrical line and there is no resulting fire in your house. Why? Because when your house was being built, the electrical system had to be inspected to make sure it was properly installed â" a service provided by your local government. And it was installed by an electrician who was licensed by your state government to ensure his competence and your safety.

      Your greatest dreams are in the hands of the government everyday.
      And those are just the ones from the first 10 minutes after you wake up.

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    3. Re:Government fails again by rockout · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because without government we could never accomplish these things. I'm sure if this guy eventually gets dressed and drives to work you'd bring up the roads, too, another impossibility to do without our benevolent rulers. :)

      yeah, we COULD accomplish these things. Problem is, we wouldn't. Except in that one country where there's no government and they have clean water and clean air and electricity, and yes, even roads that you can safely drive 70 mph on. Where is that again? RIght, in the figment of an AC's mind.

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    4. Re:Government fails again by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bullshit. The government has done more in my lifetime in the way of killing my dreams than any other single entity.

      You are free to move to any of the great countries around the world that have a very small central government and whose reach barely extends past the capital. Wait, you're still here? It couldn't be because of the entirely predictable problems that those countries face, wouldn't it? No, I'm sure it's just because John Galt is still slaving away in some factory, held down by the man. It's just a matter of time - Galt's Gulch is just around the corner, I'm sure of it. And then you'll show us all poor sheeple just how awesome government-less life is, and how screwed we all are without you.

      Go ahead, I'll wait. Just like I'm still waiting for the Communists to really do their thing.

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    5. Re:Government fails again by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, you are proving his point. It's people like you that are the reason for government being weakened so much that these corporations are allowed to influence it to such a great degree.

      Back when patriotism was a thing just a few decades ago, companies didn't wield even a fraction of political power they have today.

    6. Re:Government fails again by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I present to you Somalia, the country without effective government. It lacks all those things.

      Strange correlation if this isn't causation, wouldn't you think?

    7. Re:Government fails again by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "You get in your car and check your sticker. Your local road was built by Freetrans, your state's #1 private road construction company. Fortunately your toll sticker is good for another two weeks before you need to pay another $300 for the monthly renewal. Sure, it's a steep price, but you only have one road to your driveway - so whatever Freetrans wants, you have to pay. There used to be a bus service, but Freetrans declined their license years ago - individual car tolls are just more lucrative."

  2. We can't afford it! by s.petry · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seriously think about it. How can we pay for the NSA to spy on everyone, our Military to bomb anyone, our CIA to fund terrorist groups in the Middle East (and everywhere else for that matter), pay for Welfare instead of actually doing something to fix the economy, continue to let the top .01% live tax free lives of luxury (and allow them to offshore most of their money), provide strike force military equipment to local police and sheriff departments so that they can enforce "Free Speech Zones", pay for expansions in DHS and TSA so that they can frisk little children and search colostomy bags for explosives, have the Federal Reserve give hundreds of billions of dollars to whatever country they feel like propping up today, and give your tax money to countries like the Ukraine so that they can revolt and join NATO if we are spending money on bettering mankind?

    I really and truly wish that something in my list was a joke, but sadly it's actually a very short list of how the US is being mismanaged by corrupted people holding offices.

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  3. Re:our greatest hopes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I always cringe at comments like this.
    Space exploration can be an end to itself, but it has also proven to be a massive driver for improvements in life in general.
    The spinoffs alone are huge, let alone the jobs created, the money moving around the economy.

    https://www.sac.edu/AcademicProgs/ScienceMathHealth/Planetarium/Pages/Benefits-of-the-NASA-Space-Program.aspx

    $18 Billion is what, $70 a year per person in the US? (rough guess there).

    If you want money to help you live a better life, have a look at the defense budget. For the Joint Strike Fighter in the development phase, $14 billion was spent on 35-40 prototypes over 3 years.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II#Procurement_costs

    How much does a nuclear missile cost? The NSA?

     

  4. Re:NASA vs SpaceX by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sigh. It's not NASA vs SpaceX. It's NASA and SpaceX/Bigelow/etc, versus NASA and LM/ATK/etc.

    It's a crew capsule built for NASA for around a billion dollars total, versus a crew capsule built for NASA for around a billion dollars per year.

    It's a launcher that will cost NASA less than $100m per launch for 50 tonnes to LEO, versus a launcher that costs NASA $2 billion per year every year for one launch of 70 tonnes to LEO once every year or two.

    It's commercial space stations that cost $100-150m/yr each for NASA to lease, versus a space station that costs NASA $3 billion/yr to operate and is dependent on Russian modules and Russian crew capsules (costing an extra $75m per seat.)

    It's about the most cost effective way for US taxpayers to achieve the things they apparently want to do, versus repeating the same costly mistakes over and over.

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  5. For perspective by korbulon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Qatar is investing enough money to host the football world cup - a tournament that lasts one month - to fund NASA for ten years.

    http://keepingscore.blogs.time...>/

    What a world.

  6. Closer Look by strack · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Dont count your cookies just yet. Senator Shelby has inserted a poison pill amendment into the spending bill to put onerous accounting requirements on spacex missions for NASA, in order to make them less competitive with the SLS, a lot of which is being developed in Alabama, Senator Shelbys state.

  7. Re:Pittance by hawkinspeter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This planet might not seem confining to you, but it's most definitely a case of all of our eggs in one basket. There have been extinction level events in the past and there will be in the future. On a long enough time-scale, humans will certainly be in a lot of trouble if we only exist on this one planet.

    You're argument seems to be "it's okay to have all your eggs in one basket as it's a really big basket. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mindbogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to the size of the earth, listen...".

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  8. Yes, but by Ecuador · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes, but, apart from timekeeping, radio, clean air, water, electricity, education and roads and public order, what has the Government ever done for us?

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