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FWD.us: GOP Voters To Be Targeted By Data Scientists
theodp writes: "We are excited to announce that FWD.us and Hackers/Founders are joining forces to host the 'DEBUG DC' Growthathon on June 21st & June 22nd," reads the blog over at FWD.us, the PAC whose Founders and Major Contributors include current and former CEOs from Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, AOL, and LinkedIn. "This is a unique opportunity to push the envelope in online advocacy for immigration reform." The blog entry explains, "The machine of government is wedged, and is in desperate need of debugging. How do we DEBUG DC? Step One: Target critical legislative districts. Step Two: Data mine these districts to find registered voters who are registered Republicans who we think are likely to support immigration reform. Step Three: Growth hack ways to motivate these people to effectively engage their legislators to tell them they want them to call for a vote on immigration reform. Step Four: Measure results. Step Five: Iterate." The Eventbrite invitation for the event includes a call for Data Scientists who are "pissed off about immigration and want to fix it," are "well versed in statistics and data analysis," and can "infer voter sentiment from sparse data." So, how does this jibe with the outrage expressed by the FWD.us supporters' companies over unauthorized government surveillance?
Everyone knows republicans don't like science or scientists. I hope the data scientists are calling themselves something else to encourage the republicans to actually talk with them.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
You average GOP voter strongly values privacy and will not look kindly at this kind of targeted approach.
That's right Republican voters! You too can help Microsoft and Google and Yahoo get immigration laws "reformed" so that we can stop this silly H1-B dance and REALLY start sucking up every warm body from India and the Philippines and anywhere else that thinks $14,000 a year is a hell of a lot of money!
Why would anyone participate in a program designed to lower their pay?
It would be nice to debug DC, but it's all about the H1-Bs...
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8. Profit!
Remember, You are unique...just like everyone else.
What about american voters? The hostility towards immigration is cultural and it's widespread and it crosses party lines.
The only reason there any debate at all over the subject (let alone the billions of dollars in research spent to "move the issue forward") is because a bunch of big corporations want to flood the market with cheap foreign labor. The other 99.999 percent of the population isn't too keen on having their wages further lowered by imported competition. These are the same companies that have been pushing like crazy to move every factory job overseas for the past 30 years. We all saw what a wonderful effect that had on factory workers.
The second one of the parties gets behind protectionism is a big way, it's going to create a tidal wave.
Why don't these guys simply pay attention to a scientific poll that was already run in Eric Cantor's district to see how successful this idea is!
Sheesh!
First time in history that Majority leader of the House has lost his seat- all because he supported some form of immigration reform.
That worked well for him didn't it.
Have you compiled your kernel today??
Your average GOP voter is the same as your average democrat voter, with different parents and geography. I have never, personally, met more than one republican that didn't like science, and she was a nut-job. Also, republican or democrat is not the dividing line for individual privacy. That's a non-partisan issue (unless you're libertarian, in which case it's your quest in life to remove all privacy violations). I was skeptical, at first, about targeted approaches generated from big-data problems. Then I got on google fiber. There were some HUGE privacy concerns there, since they basically keep a tcpdump (minus packet contents) of all your internet history as part of your google-fiber profile for 3 days. Before that, they just knew that I was an adult male. After being on google fiber, all my internet ads changed from gaming and porno to high end computer hardware and data center products. As it turns out, I greatly prefer seeing computer hardware ads (particularly when I'm at work). Targeted approaches bred from privacy violations aren't necessarily a bad thing, it's what people do with them that's the problem. Technologies can be used effectively to make the world a better place, or abused to make it worse, it doesn't mean the technology is inherently evil. I don't think democrats would have problem being data-mined and invited to public events surrounding global warming policy, and I doubt these GOP voters will care that they were selected by a computer to be invited to take part in something that they're interested in.
Didn't they already show they don't want amnesty/!?
This is really an effort by big multinationals to suppress tech job wages in the US by keeping up the H1B visa racket, and all the associated visa rackets.
http://cis.org/no-stem-shortag...
You can probably make a lot of arguments that immigration is broken in many ways but I don't see how this automatically leads to the conclusion that the fixes for what's broken are in agreement, or, even necessarily agreement on what's broken.
On some level this feels a little like astroturfing for more H1Bs if so many big companies are behind it, maybe with a little feel-good "reform" directed at some of the hardships experienced by run-of-the-mill illegals from Latin America.
Advocacy is not a scientist's job. Scientists are to describe or model reality as best they can, not attempt to change it. Changing things with technology is "engineering", and changing people's opinions with technology is "social engineering".
Scientists should be careful not to taint their reputation for objective analysis.
Table-ized A.I.
While Republican voters might appear to be for immigration reform by the polls, their idea of reform is vastly different than what these people are proposing.
They first want a secure border... meaning no flood of new illegals, drugs, gangs, etc.
They clearly feel lied to by democrats saying the border is the most secure ever. Just look at the 50,000 children who have just crossed since January. If you can't stop children, how do you plan on stopping the "bad guys"?
Republicans would also support more work visas -- both skilled and unskilled. They don't care about having more immigrants here. They want an orderly process which no administration has been able to provide.
Obama's blanket amnesty isn't too popular but most Republicans would be up for the debate if they were confident the problem wouldn't keep compounding itself with new illegals.
As a habitually Republican leaning voter and a geek myself, I find this insulting. Of course being treated as an optimization problem for data analysts is something that happens all the time in commerce and advertising. But I am turned off by multiple disingenuous elements here. Let's name a few:
1. It isn't about "immigration reform", it's about amnesty. The Democrat agenda will do nothing to reduce illegal immigration, but rather increase it.
2. Bringing in lots of new workers is a direct cause of lower wages and more job competition and unemployment in the USA.
3. Really rich, corporate Republicans want more labor because it benefits them fiscally.
4. Lots of Democrats in general want more immigrants because it strengthens the power of the government and the welfare state, and shifts voting demographics favorably for them (e.g. when they turn Texas blue, they win the presidency for the foreseeable future).
5. So the bottom line is that when they approach a presumably low information Republican voter, they will have to lie their little tails off about their agenda to get him/her to go along with their so-called "immigration reform".
(Do I sound a little mad?)
Delete email messages from folk I don't recognize either. The silent majority is much like me so it won't help in the final polls. :)
So while I'm not a tin-foil-hat wearing conspiracy theorist, I do note amongst the young technorati something of a double-standard. Surveillance, big data and privacy violations are bad when they're used to infringe social rights, but GOOD when they're used to attack people perceived as infringing social rights... C'est la vie.
But more to the point, single-issue activists ALWAYS misunderstand the voting habits of multi-issue voters. Particularly Republicans, who are not just straight-up conservatives as they are often portrayed, but often socially liberal _fiscal_ conservatives who choose not to vote based on social policy. Turning multi-issue swing voters into single-issue activists isn't a straight-forward process, even if you identify who they are.
Finally, this kind of effort makes the assumption that such voters are simply awaiting the right contact or motivation to write their congressperson and demand action. Whereas, in reality, while activists often view the disengaged as "against the cause", the reality is, in most instances, such voters just don't care about that cause.
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Just from the summary, I will infer that this entire discussion will be inferences made with sparse data.
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Second paragraph on the FWD.us page:
Our outdated immigration system does not meet Americaâ(TM)s workforce needs in a global economy. We have a system that tells talented immigrants that we don't welcome their contributions. It is a system that cannot keep the United States competitive in a global economy. The time is now for Congress to act on meaningful immigration reform that boosts the American economy and does right by American families.
This is not about amnesty for illegals, this is about H1B expansion.
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And then presumably the scientists get replaced by cheaper H1B "scientists"?
Anyone who is for illegal immigration is either:
A) nit witted
B) naive
C) unrealistically optimistic
D) un-American
E) All of the above
Oh, wait - hell is a Christian invention. Damned crafty of 'em, incidentally.
The left, using possibly illegal, ethically questionable and morally dubious tactics pioneered by the depravity in Silicon Valley? I thought the idea was to not become the monster you're trying to slay.
good ol' voter pattern research to hound the rascals out. everybody does it these days, not just the parties.
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
Forgot:
Step 5: ???
Step 6: PROFIT!
Surveillance by government is scary because the power and resources of the government. Data collection by large private corporations is scary because these corporations have privacy rights and their profit motive to get you every which way and how. Data collection of underfunded powerless advocacy group should not be compared to the first two.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
The NSA and CIA are spies that really don't give a fuck about the average person's day to day life. The closest to political suppression in this country, that there has been in a while, is the suspected IRS attacks on Tea Party type organizations. Imagine if Ron Paul, Monica Lewinsky, or Gennifer Flowers 'disappeared'. Quite frankly, most GOP voters are more afraid of the IRS. Corporations, on the other hand, sell data left and right, want to send out annoying advertisements, and want to figure out how to raise prices on the average person.
On a side note, I hope America keeps its expensive military out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and let NSA counter-intelligence do its job. Yes, there will be some terrorist attacks, but from an economic standpoint, I think it will be worth it. We should get more use out of those spies.
This sounds like an interesting method by which individual problems, such as immigration reform, might be solved, but we must recognize that the root cause of disfunction in DC today is money; that bribery in US politics is now legal and that the politicians see it as the norm. As a result, they -- particularly those in the federal government -- almost never care about what their constituents think: in 94-95% of all cases all they have to do is raise more money than their political opponents so that they can outspend them all in every next election.
When seen in this light, it becomes clear that issues such as immigration reform are not going to be solved unless those who fund our politicians also agree. Those donors are big corporations and very rich people, and in this case they seem to think that immigration reform will likely lead to higher wages and thus less profit, so they will tell the politicians to vote aginst any such reform or else their money will diverted to the next politician in line who will vote against it. The politicians think they have no choice in the matter, but that's also how they got elected in the first place (by doing what their donors told them to do).
So, anyone who thinks that the politicians they vote for should be acting primarily in the interests of their constituents, instead of the rich and powerful, should realize that we first all need to act together to get money our of politics. And it can be done! After that DC will once again start to get things done.
-1 or Poe's Law?
A transparently cynical ploy to increase their pipeline of Asian / Indian H1B visa slave labor. DIAF.
Why do so many people ignore those of us who are leftists and extremely OPPOSED to immigration reform? I do not in any way support making it easier for businesses to import poverty into the United States as a tool for suppressing wage growth. You know why real wages haven't grown much in the last 40 years? Importing poverty is why. Good luck targeting Republicans.
The "good", young, hip little liberals have, in the name of being "good", made themselves into a volunteer army of porpagandists and manipulatos in the service of big government and giant multi-billion-dollar multi-mational corporations who are desperate to push down wages of the middle class. Lenni Riefenstahl would be so very proud of them and their support for fascism.
Someday, when they realize just how completely they were duped into helping manipulate people into supporting evil policies that are tearing the country apart and doing real severe harm to middle class families, for the banefit of multi-billionares like Zuckerberg, all across the country some of them will have the common decency to be ashamed. Unfortunately, the supremely morally-blind and fiscally-ignorant among them will continue to call for "taxing the rich" (never noticing that those tax hikes only hit the middle class and are always dodged by Zuck, Soros, Gates, Bloomberg, Buffet, etc), screeching about "evil rich Republicans", and falling into the Alinsky-predicted path of the stupid - calling for more and more government to "solve" the problems that very government is creating to cause the problems that drive the stupid into its "loving embrace" in the first place...
True fiscal conservatism is often at odds with social conservatism. True fiscal conservatism isn't a bad thing - I think many Dems would actually lean more toward a purely fiscally based Republican party, but the social issues keep everyone split into their respective camps despite the similarities in fiscal policy. For example, a true free market conservative has no problem with abortion clinics. They provide a service for which there is a demand. No federal dollars are permitted to go to abortion services, although the clinics also provide everything from well baby services to OB/GYN services in rural areas that require some community funding to fully support (since it's not profitable to operate a small clinic in the middle of nowhere that only half the population + children will use.) Still, it makes monetary sense to fund those clinics at nominal levels rather than have pregnant women dying because they were unaware of ectopic pregnancies, so again, it's government money well spent. A social conservative looks at the clinic though and sees a horrible infestation of sin upon the world and has the urge to bomb it.
Another example would be the mandatory drug testing put in place in Florida for food stamp benefits. After the pilot program in which less than 2% of those tested failed the drug test and were denied benefits, it became clear that the state was losing money and the program should have been halted. (I believe it cost them $100,000 more than they saved to test everyone, even charging some people a fee for the test.) A business minded fiscal conservative would have killed the program because it cost more than it saved. A social conservative would freak out because The Undeserving could get free food if the program was cancelled.
It's this divide in thought between the two wings of the party that drives the fiscally conservative Democrats crazy. They might be willing to compromise with the Republican fiscal wing on some things, but the social wings of either party cannot compromise because they each think the other is Satan.
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These folks simply do not understand that the underlying goal is to drive U.S. wages to third world levels by introducing large labor surpluses. Not just unskilled/low skill labor, either. They want to greatly expand work visas for skilled and highly skilled workers to reduce labor costs and increase profits. Anyone who does not understand this needs to take some J.C. basic Economics courses. And, for those who talk about expanding the economy to accommodate millions of new workers; how's that working for you?
"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."
-- Pablo Picasso
Republicans already support immigration reform: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/la...
For some reason the media, the left and even republican leadership think immigration reform requires amnesty. You'll never get the law and order republican types to agree that those who broke the law should benefit where those who obeyed the law get stuck in south America. It's just not going to happen. Leave amnesty off the table and immigration reform would pass like grease lighting.
As a bi-racial, bisexual, agnostic, transgender, Alaskan basketball player, I thought it was hilarious.
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
> something that might shed light on the mysteries of the atom/universe/big bang.
Something like the Super Collider? That would be the archetypal Republican, Ronald Reagan. The space station? Reagan again. Increased funding for the national science foundation? Reagan. Research tax credits? Reagan.
Republicans oppose "give half a billion of taxpayer money to your largest campaign bundler's failing solar company", but that's not really research. That's more accurately termed a "slush fund".
Yes, republican presidents have their own slush funds. This president's slush fund just happens to be titled "alternative energy fund", but it has nothing to do with science.
BINGO!
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On the Florida drug test - the point was NOT to save welfare benefits. Since most benefits were tied to custody of children under 18, the point was to withhold benefits from people taking benefits from the state and using the benefits for drugs, not their children. People who failed were allowed to arrange to place their children with relatives, who could receive the benefit for the children, with at least some probability that the kids would actually benefit. The pilot program was in a restricted area and a final program for the state was (and may still be) delayed due to court challenges.
There are no fiscally conservative democrats. What brought the Gosnell abortion clinic to public recognition was a vain attempt to enforce the same health and safety regulations for abortion clinics that are standard for other types of health clinics.
Replace the current malware-infested microcode with the version currently available from the vendor (patch 27 is current)
Update the hardware to only run microcode signed by the vendor.
The bad news is the current OS won't run on the stock microcode (it depends on features in the malware),
so we'll have to reinstall the original OS and then apply patches that only use the features in the microcode.
At least the vendor has a procedure for signing user-written microcode patches (but it's very hard to get one approved).
LOL!!! Yeah, your post paints a picture of a reasonable left having to struggle with an unreasonable right. You don't have the blinders bolted to your head or anything.
I love how the "reasonable left" feel that they're open and willing to work with the right... just as long as they get their way. When the right asks for concessions the lefties start screaming that the right is holding them in gridlock. What about all the talk I heard about 6 years ago that the left doesn't need, nor do they want, the right to be involved in government?
Now it's come down to law breaking and winking at federal offenses by the president to try to pry his way into areas that he doesn't belong or that he doesn't have proper support into fixing in a legal manner.
Your presentation of "facts" only shows how deluded the left are about what their idiot king is really up to. At least Clinton knew when to move on... Obama wants to ram everything down everyone's throat.
The bug are those arrogant assholes who think they should havemore leverage because they have more money.
This is going to kill democracy. This is the biggest threat to our civilised society.
The space station? No. It was a precursor to Star Wars, which the NSF was helping build. While tripling the national debt ($1T to $3T).
Yay 'conservative' president!
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"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
So, how does this jibe with the outrage expressed by the FWD.us supporters' companies over unauthorized government surveillance?
It's totally in keeping with those companies current policies of tracking individuals themselves, so no inconsistancy.
This looks like an attempt to flood the USA with cheap(er) labor.
Instead of immigration reform, why not improve public schools and offer scholarships for Americans to enter STEM careers?
The party you are referring to exists - it's called the libertarian party - and it is mostly (but not entirely) ex-Republicans who think responsible adults should be treated like responsible adults -- e.g. left alone until they hurt somebody.
There _should_ be more liberals and democrats joining the libertarian cause, because the LP is much better than the dems on key issues dems claim to care about: anti-war, pro-civil liberties, anti-racism in law enforcement (especially the drug war), anti-corporatism..
So, I cannot tell you why there aren't more democrats who break ranks and join the libertarians.
One reason for that, I suspect, is that I simply cannot relate to democrats or understand how they came to be democrats in the first place. There are plenty of intelligent people who are democrats, but I've never been able to figure out how any of them "tick".
In any case, there are principled libertarians -- and that's how they've traditionally billed themselves. Principled in the sense that they think government morally/ethically should not do certain things.
Then there are pragmatic libertarians -- folks who figure government is _ineffective_ or even malicious at doing certain things, and therefore shouldn't do them. An example would be Gary Johnson.
The bottom line is that, if America were actually incredibly hungry for a fiscally conservative, socially permissive party -- that party has existed for decades. It has been getting more popular lately, but it's still basically a rounding error in most elections.
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As a bi-racial, bisexual, agnostic, transgender, Alaskan basketball player, I thought it was hilarious.
Friends of yours?
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Skilled immigrants are 10% of the immigrants. Unskilled are 90%.
This is bait and switch. They SAY it's for skilled, but it will mean loads of unskilled workers coming in. If you are an american citizen that hangs drywall, this is not good for you. If you are a US citizen that drives a fork lift, this is not good for you.
In short, if this REALLY was about skilled immigration, then they'd simply expand the H1B pool and call it good.
But this isnt' at all about skilled immigration. This is 100% about more unskilled people who will vote for the democrats. The dems want to turn texas blue. Full stop. The only way that will happen is via a massive influx of low-skilled workers.
This is disgusting and appalling. There is no shortage of workers. Studies have shown that there are in fact twice as many tech workers in the USA as there are jobs. These companies are basically funding all of this to increase their own profits while driving down the wages for workers by flooding the labor market with third world labor. This is devastating for American workers, if you are an American worker this means YOU will be laid off and lose your job to Indians who will gladly steal it from you. Do all you can to oppose Mark Suckerberg, Facebook and all the other large companies behind this obscene agenda to basically replace American citizens with foreign labor. All this is, is an effort by these large companies to dupe unsuspecting people into supporting policies which will harm workers, policies that actually run against our own best interests.
Remember that each one of these H1B visas means one fewer American without a job and it means lower wages for American workers. We must stop this immigration invasion and stop these corporations from manipulating the political system in this way.
Your average GOP is more concerned with unemployment than immigration reform.
You will not win any votes with this.
How about; Secure borders, enforce existing immigration laws, punish corporations that attempt to hire illegals, deport any remaining illegals, put welfare recipients to work in their place.
This isnt about immigration reform, its about the ability to move jobs overseas by bringing the overseas worker to here cheaply
This attempt at organizing a movement sets off alarms for me; it looks too much like MoveOn or OWS when they first started. Now they've added a new twist by trying to engage GOP voters rather than marginalize them.
All three movements have a legitimate complaint, and start out recruiting people to become involved. But they quickly change course to be far left political movements. And eventually it turns out they're funded by George Soros. Okay, this one hasn't been revealed as a Soros initiative, yet.
For example, a true free market conservative has no problem with abortion clinics.
This is false and a no scotsman argument. With your reasoning "a true free market conservative" should have no problem with murder, either.
You left out Republican Ron Paul. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...
Do we need more heroes like Snowden to lie, cheat and steal, call himself a hero and be afraid to take the consequences?
no
I think that your comments describe a larger fissure within the Republican party. With respect to social conservatives and libertarian conservatives, there just isn't as much common ground as there needs to be in order to form a political party from both groups.
By way of example, is forbidding same-sex marriage a pro-individual freedom, small-government value? No, it is not. Are Second Amendment rights an Evangelical Christian value? No, they are not. But we libertarians are supposed to clam up about certain freedoms to avoid alienating the evangelicals, and you've got these church groups advocating for gun rights to appease the libertarians. It's starting to come apart at the seams, and has resulted in The Tea Party.
The Tea Party isn't really a bunch of whack jobs like the media says. They're just Republicans who have been over-promised to and under-delivered to for too long. The libertarians are disaffected because the GOP is giving us big government after having promised us small. The Evangelicals are disaffected after having been promised abortion bans, faith-based initiatives, etc. You may not agree that any of the above policy goals are laudable, but you certainly have to admit that we've gotten the opposite of all that since Bush I. Can you blame Republican voters of all stripes for being fed up with the GOP establishment?
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Supposedly in the US each person has the same rights as government or a large business. The ability to collect data should conform to the notion of equality. However in this case the goal of identifying republicans with certain beliefs need not be about immigration. Instead we could locate those with right wing beliefs and compel them to visit or remain in mental health facilities until such time as they are sane and able to think clearly. The real mental game of the right wing is to be deliberately blind to consequences. They do not follow this pattern ( action A combined with Action B will lead to result C). By not foreseeing result C they can justify all kinds of evils. For example burning coal and dumping pollutants into the air not only does not cause people to die in misery it particularly can not attack their own lungs or their favorite childs lungs and turn them into bed rot heading for a grave yard. Build those pipelines, frack your water supply and burn that coal!!!!
I'm the one holding the sword. ;^)
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
What issues are we demanding to get "our way" on that the right has offered to compromise on? Please enumerate.
Occasionally living proof of the Ballmer peak.
Naw, a reduction in your potential consumer base is never a good thing, unless you run a mortuary or make coffins for a living. Also, fear of death erodes consumer confidence.
Occasionally living proof of the Ballmer peak.
Immigration reform should stop illegal immigration NOW! Problem is, idiot, moron, democrats think immigration reform should be open borders and a continuation of failed democrat 'look the other way', 'here take our free taxpayer money', 'dump the illegal children in conservative states', amnesty, etc. and other programs!!! Conservatives, which include many Republicans, would rather go back to an enforced border, removal of illegal aliens, NO amnesty, perhaps removing the laws that even allow immigration, etc. For those of you that think there are not enough skilled tech. workers to fill the jobs - I say BULL!! Because I know there are not enough jobs for the skilled tech workers where I am located! You folks need to stop whining and increase your salaries so you can hire skilled workers that are already here instead of importing cheap foreign labor!!! If you do not like what I have to say, then I invite you to give up your citizenship and move to the communist or socialist country of your choice, at your own expense, where I'm sure you will enjoy your life much better!!
and he could never get any of his spending cuts through the Democratic controlled Congress either which resulted in spending increases that outpaced the revenue increases.
I wonder how long it will take FWD.us to feel like they're paying to much to their American born Data Scientists and strive to replace them with H1B visa holders? Is that phase 6?
Who still has a Facebook account? If you do, you need to get rid of it ASAP. M. Zuckerburg and FWD.US should be the #1 enemy of American IT workers. To me, he's the face of evil. He's worth $26 billion but yet he feels compelled to find new ways to deny American workers their rightful wage as determined by the free market.
Your average GOP voter greatly values his privacy where the Government is involved. We all know that.
When it comes to private corporations however, your average GOP voter doesn't seem to worry overmuch. Even better, he/she tends to hold little sympathy towards attempts to restrict corporations in any way whatsoever.
As such, he/she takes a positively hostile position versus people who propose to regulate what data corporations can collect on you (and what they can do with it). Because that smacks of "expanding government". The number one red-flag issue for them.
So err does that mean that GOP voters will refrain from protesting as long as it's only honest for-profit corporations doing the data-mining? If only because for-profit corporations will be just as happy to profile/target the other side? Thereby evening the playing field as it were.
Of course GOP voters won't like the idea of being profiled with the express purpose of countering the political position they wish to see adopted any more than anybody else.
The rub is: what do they propose to do about it? Somehow I feel that they won't necessarily endorse additional legislation to that effect. Let alone government enforcement of the same. And by banning such practices, they would deprive themselves of the opportunity to use the same techniques.
What I think will happen is that GOP voters will ask themselves: will we benefit more from this technique than the opposition? If so, they'll oppose it only insofar and for as long as they feel they are currently lagging the opposition, and endorse it in every other respect.
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True American Party
Immigration
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1. Those already here:
If any Latino has been living in America for three years or longer (Standard Green Card wait); can prove lawful employment over those past three years; can prove they have a viable (Non-Government subsidized or paid for) residence that is not a SRO, Section-8, or other Well Fare paid place of residence; have been paying taxes; are not receiving any government programs, financial aid, food stamps, or the like; have no criminal history for the past three years while in America and are not wanted for any crimes back in the Country they left; take and pass the naturalization and citizens test which all new Americans must pass; agree not to need, take, or draw any government handouts such as well fare, food stamps, Section 8, or any other government handout services other than the schools for their children and any low income Medicaid (Obama Care, when it all gets sorted out) for a period of another two years, then at the end of those two years (New Citizen Probation Period) they shall become fully naturalized and legal citizens with all the rights and privileges to services, voting, and the full amount of rights all American citizens enjoy.
This system program should be open and available for a two year grace period, so as to only reward and help those Latinos who are already here, employed, honest, not coming to America just to loaf around and drain our governmental handout services and programs for the spoiled people on well fare and receiving assistance who are not sick, elderly, actively seeking employment, or are employed lawfully yet due to their region of residence and the employment they are able to find as a full time employee. The Federal, State, and Local Governments are running out of money, and are having a hard time helping those whom actually need a little bit of help through a rough patch, the truly sick or elderly or unable to work due to physical or psychological conditions, and unfortunately those who have been taught and believe that well fare is actually a career and they are some how owed money by the rest of society for God only knows what reason. However, all three categories of those receiving government help are all American born (Or AT LEAST THE FREAKING OUGHT TO BE!).
Given the current state of our economy, the resources we have, and the very real fact that every one wants free rent, food, and money, I believe this program made available to all immigrants (Not just Latinos) for a two year period to enter the program and take advantage of the immigration window is both fair and will benefit America by allowing in the type of citizens we want. Therefore, the Legislature should set a start date and an end date for such a program, and then those who qualify have two wait and prove their financial independence, willingness to work, willingness to play ball and use the system, and ability to be upstanding, non-criminal, non-needy citizens who can, do, and will add to American society and her economy by remaining employed as they must already have been (With a gap in employment no greater then 120 days, and with never seeking government handouts.) and paying taxes, rent, their bills, and all the things people usually associate with "model citizens."
This would help naturalize the millions of illegal Latinos already in America, who do behave like "model citizens," work, pay rent, actually pay into the system through taxes (And never take out, as they will get caught and deported... As they should. Paying into the system, and not getting ay back is the current and rightful price for illegally coming to America in my opinion.), buy property, and are good upstanding citizens. However, they are forced to live in fear of being deported, some times eve though they're small business owners, been here for over a decade, have children who are legal Americans, and own property. When and if they are discovered, they can and often do lose their homes, businesses, jobs, and families are often bro
Feh. Not so much when a woman wants abortion, or birth control. Let them shut up and deal with it.
"Offtopic" - gee, I guess I hit a nerve with someone, huh?
can't believe the Huge Deluge of local Democratic ads on the side of this Slashdot page. URRGH
You're just certified and educated beyond your intelligence