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California Whooping Cough Cases "an Epidemic"
As reported by the San Jose Mercury News, the state of California is "in the throes of a whooping cough epidemic, state health department officials announced Friday. Dr. Ron Chapman, director of the California Department of Public Health, said 3,458 cases of whooping cough have been reported since Jan. 1 -- including 800 in the past two weeks. That total is more than all the cases reported in 2013." Public broadcaster KPBS notes that of the 621 people known to have come down with whooping cough in San Diego county, the vast majority (85 percent) were up to date on their immunizations.
So there's 100 or so unimmunized kids who got sick in just that last two weeks?
Without those kids, would the other 500 or so gotten sick?
There's a reason it's called herd immunity.
Fuck Jenny McCarthy. With a 50-year-old telephone pole that's had linemen up and down it with spiked shoes thousands of times. Soaked in gasoline. On fire. Up the ass.
It's much safer. Stock up on Doritos and Dr. Pepper and wait the epidemic out.
Pertussis is a big deal and, as usual, the media is Doing It Wrong. For most adults, pertussis is annoying (very annoying) but not life threatening. It is also rather contagious and worse, it is most contagious early on when one's symptoms are mild and non specific. So when you are sick, stay in the basement. Wash your hands. Communicate with the rest of the world via Slashdot.
For young children it can be fatal, hence the importance of immunizations.
What is pretty clear is that the primary immunization series works pretty well (not perfectly). Immunizations of adults doesn't work well at all. What TFA didn't make clear was how immunized the adults were. They would be up to date if they had received their primary children's series but no adult Dtap (typically given as part of a tetanus immunization, not directly 'for' pertussis). But we know that the pertussis component of Dtap wanes after five years. So even if you were technically up to date by tetanus standards, you'd be behind for pertussis.
We've known this for decades. What I can't figure out is why a pertussis only booster hasn't been marketed. We have the vaccine, we have much of the data. It would be fairly easy to do. (Insert favorite rant about the Medical Industrial Complex here.)
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
Frankly, with the amount of bullshit that authority figures come up with to consolidate their power in any dying empire (whether in the capitalism of one firm that was the USSR or the capitalism of a handful of firms that is the US), I'm not surprised that the average person finds it hard to decide when to believe what they're told from on high.
Fact is, nobody reading this post is smart enough to have come up with the idea of vaccinations, and very few have more than a scintilla of understanding as to why they work - even then, they're just reciting what teacher told them. So, accepting argument by authority, the challenge is to decide who is appropriate authority.
Cite, please.
The whole reason we vaccinate is because it's been shown that fewer people get sick or die when we do. Yes, there are sometimes adverse reactions, but it's worse when we don't.
Also, the "free" education is neither free nor voluntary. You pay for it in taxes. You send your kids or you go to jail, unless send them to a different, approved school.
And whooping cough is likely to be only the first of several diseases which became rare in this country but will soon make a comeback.
Educating your children is not voluntary; how you get them that education is. If you don't want to pay tuition you can send them to a public school or teach them yourself. Otherwise, you can pay to send them to a private school.
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Having had had family members with whooping cough I looked into this. Adults are believed to be carrier's with silent symptoms. This year (2014) when adults get their physical they will very likely be offered an immunization for whooping cough. I just got mine since I was exposed to it. Although vaccines after the fact may not be useful for protection, the wisdom apparently is that the vaccine helps your body supress the silent infection. Not sure I understand why.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
Mexico's vaccination rates are higher than the US.
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We do require; the problem is many states allow an exemption for personal beliefs.
The vaccination should be required regardless of beliefs or conscientious objection by the parents, because other People's safety is at risk.
Furthermore... if the reason for exemption is medical; this should require at least two healthcare officials to verify it and sign off on it, and there should be a requirement to renew the certification every year.
Also, the immunization certificates should have conspicuous expiration dates before the next booster is needed for each vaccine, and schools should be required to verify these annually.
The certificate should also be required to be admitted to an institution of higher education, to buy or own real property, to register a vehicle, to obtain airplane tickets, boarding pass, or to step into an airplane, to obtain and renew a driver's license or other ID with a stamp making it an immunization ID as well, proof of immunization (or presentation of drivers license/ID that certification is required for) should be necessary to enter publicly owned buildings where a large number of people may be present, and employers should be required to verify certificate (or require vaccination) before employing any new worker. Obtaining social security, unemployment, welfare benefits, should also require an active immunization certificate.
In other words: there should be gates requiring citizens to have proper immunization or medical exemption from them.
I told you so!
Yours,
Jenny McCarthy
There is NO credible evidence for that. Also, giving dozens of shots to a 3 year old (in other words, waiting) is stupid, and I see this a lot. The kids are old enough to struggle, throw a tantrum, and hate ever coming to the doctor's office. Nice job parents. Immunization delay has no benefits, real harms, and real risks.
I think there's enough creditable evidence out there to suggest that young children under the age of 3 shouldn't have any immunization because thier systems aren't developed enough to deal with the shots. But by 3 they should be required to be immunized before attending and public school. Also I this there should be mandated boosters in public middle and highschool. You don't want to follow the rules then you don't get the free education.
Care to post some links to this "creditable evidence"?
I browse on +1 so AC's need not respond, I won't see it.
Blaming those percent that choose to decide what they put into their own bodies is just peer pressure and bullying. And, guess what, if you were actually "immunised" you wouldn't be able to catch it from them, or the evolved strains...
So, only the stupid and superstitious people who refuse to get vacinated will get sick and hopefully die and clean up the gene pool?
I like it!
It depends on how many cases you expect. Smallpox has been eradicated worldwide, so a single case is considered an epidemic. Ebola is so rare and deadly that a small number is needed for it to be called an outbreak or an epidemic. Whooping cough is more common, but this recent outbreak is at a much higher rate than normal.
http://www.washoecounty.us/hea...
There is no credible evidence that early vaccinations cause issues with children. That's a bunch of horse shit.
Oh, if only there was something we could give children to keep them from getting sick. Then personal choices would not put other people at risk, only the people that opt out would take their chances.
Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, religion destroys spirituality
Too bad such a thing does not exist. Vaccines, after all, are not 100% effective. And some people, particularly the very young or elderly, have compromised immune systems or are unable to receive vaccinations for other reasons, and must rely on the rest of the population being immunised to prevent them from getting sick.
not eradicated as long as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in the United States and the State Research Center of Virology and Biotechnology VECTOR in Koltsovo, Russia have stockpiles of the virus. They have refused to destroy them even after WHO scientists and other groups have said no good purpose for humanity is served by keeping them, they present only a danger. makes one wonder....
The article is terrible. The CDC has a very good FAQ on the pertussis vaccine.
http://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/a...
Q: Can pertussis be prevented with vaccines?
A: Yes. Pertussis, or whooping cough, can be prevented with vaccines. Before pertussis vaccines became widely available in the 1940s, about 200,000 children got sick with it each year in the US and about 9,000 died as a result of the infection. Now we see about 10,000–40,000 cases reported each year and unfortunately about 10–20 deaths.
Pertussis vaccines are recommended for people of all ages. Infants and children should get 5 doses of DTaP for maximum protection. A dose is given at 2, 4 and 6 months, at 15 through 18 months, and again at 4 through 6 years. A booster dose of Tdap is given to preteens at 11 or 12 years of age.
Any adolescents or adults who didn't get Tdap as a preteen should get one dose. Getting Tdap is especially important for pregnant women. It’s also important that those who care for infants are up-to-date with pertussis vaccination. You can get the Tdap booster dose no matter when you got your last regular tetanus booster shot (Td). Also, you need to get Tdap even if you were vaccinated as a child or have been sick with pertussis in the past.
Learn more about preventing pertussis.
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Whooping cough can be deadly for babies. Learn how to protect them through vaccination. See this infographic.
Q: Why is the focus on protecting infants from pertussis?
A: Infants are at greatest risk for getting pertussis and then having severe complications from it, including death. About half of infants younger than 1 year old who get pertussis are hospitalized, and 1 or 2 in 100 hospitalized infants die.
There are two strategies to protect infants until they're old enough to receive vaccines and build their immunity against this disease.
First, vaccinate pregnant women with Tdap during each pregnancy, preferably at 27 through 36 weeks. By getting Tdap during pregnancy, mothers build antibodies that are transferred to the newborn, likely providing protection against pertussis in early life, before the baby can start getting DTaP vaccines at 2 months old. Tdap also helps protect mothers during delivery, making them less likely to transmit pertussis to their infants.
Second, make sure everyone around the infant is immunized. This includes parents, siblings, grandparents (including those 65 years and older), other family members, babysitters, etc. They should be up-to-date with the age-appropriate vaccine (DTaP or Tdap) at least two weeks before coming into close contact with the infant. Unless pregnant, only one dose of Tdap is recommended in a lifetime.
These two strategies should reduce infection in infants, since health data have shown that, when the source of pertussis could be identified, mothers were responsible for 30-40% of infant infections and all household members were responsible for about 80% of infections.
It's also critical that healthcare professionals are up-to-date with a one-time Tdap booster dose, especially those who care for infants.
Learn more about infant complications.
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Q: Do pertussis vaccines protect for a lifetime? If I've had whooping cough, do I still need a pertussis booster?
A: Getting sick with pertussis or getting pertussis vaccines doesn't provide lifelong protection, which means you can still get pertussis and pass it onto infants.
Pertussis vaccines are effective, but not perfect. They typically offer high levels of protection within the first 2 years of getting vaccinated, but then protection decreases over time. This is known as waning immunity. Similarly, natural infection may also only protect you for a few years.
In general, DTaP vaccines are 80-90% effective. Among kids who get all 5 doses of DTaP on schedule, effectiveness is very high within the year following the 5th dose
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Do you mean thiomersal, the mercuric component of which is readily excreted by the body in less than a month with no ill effects and hasn't been used as a vaccine preservative in US, Europe and elsewhere since 1999?
Ignorant fear monger.
"Wait. Something's happening. It's opening up! My God, it's full of apricots!"
A wonderful side effect is not giving a disease a lot of warm bodies to mutate in. It would be interesting to see whether patient zero was immunized.
Perhaps by your logic we should also give up all our privacy because by refusing we allow criminals and terrorists amongst us to plot away and that puts people's safety at risk.
Do you mean thiomersal, the mercuric component of which is readily excreted by the body in less than a month with no ill effects
Still a matter for debate.
and hasn't been used as a vaccine preservative in US, Europe and elsewhere since 1999?
False.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Vaccination in TV programmes and books, pre 1980s: ... ...
'The masters or sitcom' by Ray Galton and Alan Simpson, p161:
BILL: Go round kissing all the babies. That'll get the votes.
ANDREE: How is he doctor?
KENNETH: Oh, it's nothing to worry about, just a slight case of measles. Plenty of rest, he'll be all right in a week or two.
TONY: (Disgusted) Measles. Whose bright idea was it to go round kissing all the babies?
BILL: Well, I'm sorry, Tub.
TONY: 'Don't forget the one with the freckles,' he says. Aaah... If I get half as many votes as I've got spots, I'll sweep the country.
Doctor at Large, Series 1 Ep. 25, 2:14 Dr. Upton is taken ill and says "Feels like mumps. I had mumps. I had it when I was eight." ...Really, Flo, you can't possibly remember that." Flo; "I can! Of course I can, George. Mother let me stay up to read you Treasure Island."
Catweazle, series 1, final part, 'The Trickery Lantern', 2:30 Flo (Mr. Bennett's sister); "You were just like this with chickenpox." Mr. Bennett; "Chickenpox?" Flo; "When you were nine." Mr. Bennett; "When I was?
Catweazle, Series 1, Episode 4, 'The Witching Hour', 22:20, Miss Bonnington says "My arch enemy, Mrs. Willougbhy wasn't there." Mr. Bennett (Carrot's father); "Wasn't there?" Miss Bonnington; "Terribly funny, you'd never believe it. She's suddenly gone down with measles!" Carrot; "Measles?" Miss Bonnington; "Funny that - so sudden - several cases in the village of course, but she was perfectly alright this afternoon in the hairdressers. Hope I don't catch it!" (laughing out loud)
Steptoe and Son Christmas Special - Chickenpox, last five minutes.
Robin's Nest, Series 2, Episode 7, 10:10, Robin's brother's got mumps.
Robin's Nest, Series 3, Episode 4, 18:20 - Mr Nicholls said he hadn't had mumps.
The Famous Five - Five Go Adventuring Again, 2:00 - George says "And what with that, and my being ill, he thought it would be a good idea if we all have lessons", Anne says "Your spots have all gone", George replies "I know, I was officially de-measled this morning".
Man About the House - Series 1, Episode 3 - After the Monopoly game, Chrissie says "I haven't had so much fun since I had the mumps".
"Larry Grayson on Pebble Mill 1992" in Mpegs/Comedy, 4:39, said he had measles twice.
'The Adventures of Tom Sawyer' directed by Selznick. 10:33,
Tom: Where have you been such a long time. I haven't seen you since we got engaged.
Girl: I had the chickenpox.
Tom: You haven't got it now, have you?
Girl: No, silly, think my ma would let me out if I wasn't all cured?
Oliver Postgage book "Seeing things", page 12: (When he was six or seven) "but I saw little of the place because I almost immediately came down with measles... a day or two later when Grandad himself turned up, really just to pat me and wish me well because by then I was over the worst of the measles."
(This was in 1930-1932)
Would any of you like to explain why EVERY child had measles and mumps forty years ago (when I was a child), and nobody was remotely concerned about these 'dangerous' diseases? The constant references to them in television programmes, listed above, as NO BIG DEAL, proves my point. Anything to say?
Measles outbreak in a 98% vaccinated population:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1646939/
Here's hoping the couples with dead babies have the wherewithal to sue the unvaccinated that got the disease first. Rich people only understand liability.
Around here, you can educate them yourself by opening your own state approved school and following certain rules. That's what homeschooling looks like here. You can't just "teach them yourself". Obviously, things may differ in your jurisdiction.
Then personal choices would not put other people at risk, only the people that opt out would take their chances.
This seems like no more a 'personal choice', than a choice to not pay taxes.
Or to run an unsecured computer on the internet, or open e-mail proxy, that spammers can abuse.
The thing is... a person's 'personal' choice to be vulnerable to a contagion will always put other people at risk, unless they have a 100% quarantine, since once you are infected, you have provided the contagion a place to fester and evolve, that is -- to randomly mutate, and if any of the mutations turns out to have increased resistance against the vaccine, you have provided the contagion the tools needed to defeat the vaccine.
"HOW WAS THE SMALLPOX VACCINE MADE?
From an original monograph by Dr Walter Hadwen, here is an account of how smallpox vaccine was first made:
1. A 3 month old calf was tied down on its side.
2. 30 – 50 one inch incisions were made in its stomach
3. Smallpox pus rubbed into each incision
4. Calf is returned to its pen, restrained so as to be unable to lick the sores
5. Wait one week.
6. Smallpox pustules form
7. Calf strapped down again
8. Encrusted pus is scraped off each sore and the remaining blood, lymph, and pus is then drained out.
9. It is placed in a crucible and heated, adding glycerine as a binder
10. Mixed and strained to remove hair and dead flesh.
11. Poured into tubes as sold as pure calf lymph – or smallpox vaccine.
Very scientific. This formula was used for decades, even up to modern times, continuing with Dryvax in 1944. [34] The new smallpox vaccines are still made from this ‘purified calf lymph’ but with one modern twist: the post 9/11 vaccine is now cultured on the cells of an aborted human fetus. [35]."
Any comments from the 'vaccination' believers?
The huge wave of illegal immigration by kids has lead for several military bases in CA, AZ, and TX being used to house thousands of kids MANY of whom are SICK and the border patrol is scrambling to get them immunized.
Mexican numbers for things like immunization rates have always been as bogus as the stats from any other hyper-corrupt 3rd world hell-hole, buit in this case thery're fundamentally downright deceptive; All these kids are coming in over the US border from Mexico but, as always, details matter: while many are "from Mexico" (as-in "born there") there are HUGE numbers who are "from Mexico" (as-in passing-through the place on their way into the US) who are NOT immunized in Mexico at all. So while many mexican kids are not immunized because they are part of the oddball portion of their population that is not immunized (like too-many American-born who are not immunized even though most of their countrymen are) the majority of the current wave are from places like Guatemala and are not being immunized as they are magically transported the length of Mexico. Note: I said "magically" because this is obviously an orchestrated scam.... tens of thousands of 3 year olds, 7 year olds, etc are not WALKING the length of Mexico (getting food water shelter etc along the way) completely on their own without their parents and without any government "help".
If the infected person was not vaccinated, they are more likely to be tested. If the infected person was vaccinated, the doctor is more likely to assume the condition is not whooping cough, so no need for testing, and the incident goes unreported. As a person with a child who could not tolerate vaccines, I can tell you first hand that doctors behave much differently when they know your child is not vaccinated.
If you want to guarantee political power for your team, what do you do?
Rather than depending on "democracy" and trusting the public to pick the politicians, you let the politicians pick the voters. At the legislative level you do this by re-drawing congressional boundaries (so-called "gerrymandering"). At a national level, however, you achieve the same result if you REPLACE THE POPULATION.
How?
Easy: Drive-up the costs for your native population having their own kids (Make middle-class US citizens pay for their own hospital bills, education bills, housing bills, etc) and encourage as many as possible to abort their kids.... and import millions of poor people from predominantly Catholic countries south of the US border (where Catholicism is more about "social justice" and socialist economic beliefs than religious dogma) and make the taxpayers subsidize their hospital costs as they have many children, subsidize their educations, susidize their housing and telephones and electric bills, etc.
This is part of an effort to replace a population that was approx 40% conservative, 30% liberal, and 30% independent with one that is far more liberal and likely to be permanently Democrat. In this regard, the Democratic National Committee appears to have decided that Hispanics are a far better long-term bet than Blacks (too many of whom have made it into the middle class) and they appear to be in the process of "changing horses". The current wave of illegals is devestating the wages and opportunities for black Americans but the Democrats are doing nothing about that - they seem to be desperately rushing to get the hispanic numbers up high enough before their black supporters get upset enough to matter. This is the TRUE implementation of Obama's pedge to "fundamentally transform" the US.
And that my friends, is the result of a totally liberal government in Cali and allowing the state to be a sanctuary state. And ALL Americans arfe going to pay form their 3 trillion debt and illegals
Most people don't realize that. "Home school" is just a convenient way to say "Extremely exclusive private school".
I'll pass on your over paranoid, over centralized, over sanitized, overregulated society.. jesus fucking christ..
That's the price we pay for freedom. We can't assume other computers are clean, so we take responsibility for defending our own. We don't assume the people near us are disease free, so we don't share food utensils. When we shake hands with them, we assume we should wash later. We don't put our fingers in our mouths or touch our faces and we wash before we eat. Beyond that, there isn't much you can do besides keeping yourself in good health. That alone is your best defense. More nannying centralization is not.
The kind of bureaucratic micromanagement some here are suggesting is its own form of disease. All those people should move to some socialist hellhole...where, ironically, there's no money for any sort of consistent vaccination program. At least they have their bureaucracy to make them 'feel' safer.
This isn't a case of whether vaccines work or don't work, or whether they cause neurological damage. The issue is dominion over one's own body. The group doesn't always get priority over the individual.
Public health doctors are perfectly aware that typical vaccinations are not strong enough to confer near-perfect immunity. That's because it's a balancing act between wanting lots of immune response and not wanting too much: as in, people getting sick from the vaccination.
The goal is to minimize the total number of sick people, from any cause. When the disease is rare, vaccine side effects must be carefully limited.
This is clearer in the case of polio, where there are two vaccines in widespread use. In countries where polio is absent, they use a dead vaccine as pioneered by Sabin. Reasonable protection, very low side effect.
But if you're living somewhere where exposure is likely, you're going to get the Salk-style live virus oral polio vaccine. This produces much greater protection, but about one in a million people get polio symptoms from it.
It's all a matter of odds of exposure. The goal of public immunizations is not to provide perfect protection, but to limit the numer of people one sick person can transmit the disease to to less than 1. If that's the case, any outbreak will quickly stop. But it's just like a nuclear chain reaction: as it gets close to 1, the number of cases increases rapidly. And if it ever exceeds 1, it will explode.
And that's the harm that anti-vaccine people are doing to me. By increasing my exposure, I have to vaccinate more and more strongly, which increases my risk of side effects.
There is no credible evidence that early vaccinations cause issues with children.
There is always a risk of complications with a vaccine even for adults. The question is not whether there is any risk from having the vaccine but whether the risk is less than the risk from catching the disease. According to the US CDC there were 48,277 cases of Whooping Cough with 20 fatalities mainly in babies under 3 months.
The only rate of serious complications from a vaccine I could find is for the MMR where 1 in a million develop encephalitis which is a serious condition but that has to be compared to a 1 in a thousand rate of encephalitis from measles alone. Assuming the whooping cough vaccine has a similar serious complication rate that puts the likelihood of death at below 1 in a million vs. 1 in 25,000 for the disease. So I'll take my chance with the vaccine (and already did when I was a kid!).
So instead of trying to persuade people that there is zero risk from vaccines, which is simply not true, we should instead be educating them about the relative risks of the vaccine (almost none) compared to the disease (typically a far higher chance of death and/or permanent disability). One of the biggest ironies of vaccines though has to be that some people don't get vaccinated because they don't see serious diseases like measles as a threat to be worried about anymore. Doh!
Unfortunately - that's not entirely true, immunization against whooping cough is only partially effective. Worse yet, the effectiveness also fades over time. Even worse.... there's a possibility that the vaccine may not stop an uninfected person from being a carrier.
If you're talking about the post-Jenny McCarthy era, you can't blame the current rise in whooping cough cases on her. Pertussis cases began rising in the 1980's, and the current spike takes off in 2003 - four years before she started her campaign.
There was an outbreak of whooping cough in Australia a couple of years ago, my immunised ex-wife caught a dose. Turned out it was a new strain of whooping cough the vaccination is still effective but not as effective as it was for the old strain. If the US vaccination rates haven't changed recently then I would put my money on it being the new Aussie strain.
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
We need a Megan's law for the unvaccinated. So you can look up which of your neighbors you need to avoid and keep your kids aways from, just as you would keep them away from sex offenders. Or at the very least childcares, kindergartens, and schools should be required to publicly document how many unvaccinated kids are attending so people can make informed decisions about whether to send their own kids there.
Let's hope it doesn't buy Hemorrhagic Shock which causes oxygen deprivation, loss of consciousness and death.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
We do require; the problem is many states allow an exemption for personal beliefs.
The vaccination should be required regardless of beliefs or conscientious objection by the parents, because other People's safety is at risk.
Furthermore... if the reason for exemption is medical; this should require at least two healthcare officials to verify it and sign off on it, and there should be a requirement to renew the certification every year.
Also, the immunization certificates should have conspicuous expiration dates before the next booster is needed for each vaccine, and schools should be required to verify these annually.
The certificate should also be required to be admitted to an institution of higher education, to buy or own real property, to register a vehicle, to obtain airplane tickets, boarding pass, or to step into an airplane, to obtain and renew a driver's license or other ID with a stamp making it an immunization ID as well, proof of immunization (or presentation of drivers license/ID that certification is required for) should be necessary to enter publicly owned buildings where a large number of people may be present, and employers should be required to verify certificate (or require vaccination) before employing any new worker. Obtaining social security, unemployment, welfare benefits, should also require an active immunization certificate.
In other words: there should be gates requiring citizens to have proper immunization or medical exemption from them.
Why go to all the trouble of actual pieces of paper/stamps/etc? A database keeping track of which person has which vaccine is probably the simplest database there is. I wouldn't use a SSN as a unique identifier but Name+Birthdate+Birthtown is probably sufficient. Make it open to the public on the internet so that we can check our neighbors if desired. Make some APIs so that other software packages can check easily. That kind of information is a public service/right to know. I'm all for the right to privacy but for this information, public health trumps. It boggles my mind that it hasn't been done already, even on a state level.
Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress at this period in history.
“In 1978 a childhood immunisation initiative was begun. Individual states passed legislation requiring proof of immunisation for school entry at 5 and 6 years of age. They mandated vaccination and it resulted in a three fold increase in the reported incidents of whooping cough and indeed children developed whooping cough from the vaccines.” Dr. Vera Schiebner
The CDC reported a measles outbreak in a 100% documented vaccinated population. Studies show that children who received vaccinations were 14 times more likely to become learning disabled and develop asthma. There is virtually no asthma in unvaccinated children. Unvaccinated people are healthier, have higher disease resistance, and recover more rapidly from illness. There have never been any saftey studies done on vaccines that would meet the appropriate criteria. Donald Meserlian P.E. VOSI Chairman
“Up to 90% of the total decline in the death rate of children between 1860-1965 because of whooping cough, scarlet fever, diphtheria, and measles occurred before the introduction of immunisations and antibiotics.” Dr. Archie Kalokerinos, M.D. PhD Maybe the clean water, sanitation, healthier foods.
With no ability to check these people for diseases, they bring it to areas where there are no cases of these third-world diseases.
Oh puh-leaze. You'd be horrified if you knew about some of the horrid tropical diseases that are rampant in places like the southeastern US. Parents in South Florida would shit their pants if they had any idea how many kids get worms in an average year from playing in muddy stormwater or walking barefoot outside... and reinfest themselves (and their whole families) with them for YEARS because they shed them all over the place inside the house, and nobody fucking recognizes them for what they are because "things like that don't happen in the US".
It's a convenient way to say "Extremely exclusive private school with a non-standard and probably-unknown level of competence". In more sane places it's illegal because it can seriously mess children up.
Wow. I get it - you are ruled by your gut and not logic (hence your attacks on women, for example). Socialist "hellholes", as you call them, have far more money to spend on healthcare than the US does, as they don't have waves upon waves of middlemen taking their cut of the healthcare money for bureaucracy. But I guess you have your hubris to make you 'feel' safer.
Where is your freedom when you develop an immunity disorder and can't be vaccinated, and some muppet infects you because they chose to not be vaccinated? Where do your rights end and theirs begin? Not that you've thought this through in any depth, as that's some sort of socialist commie thing to do. BENGHAZI or something.
Mexican children usually have comparable (or better) immunization than their US counterparts, but I guess you don't want to let facts get in the way of your muppet-rage.
Your the one that said mexican. Not me, your silly democrat!
Vaccines saves lives. They have saved hundreds of millions of lives. Are there risks? Hell yes! But we are taking about 1 in 100,000. Why are there so many deaths in Africa? Cuz there ain’t no vaccines. Repeat after me: Vaccines saves lives Vaccines saves lives Vaccines saves lives Vaccines saves lives
That means nothing on a per capita basis. Either the illegals aren't vaccinated, vaccinated poorly, or the people who are in california getting the disease either aren't vaccinated or the vaccination is ineffective.
The reason we vaccinate as early as possible is because very young children are more likely to die if they do get sick. So you want to get SOME immunity as soon as the system can develop it.
We have idiots who don't vaccinate puppies until 4 months as well, because OMG developing immune system. This is all dandy if you can keep them in total isolation. Not so dandy if they're out in the real world. Much safer to do the core vaccinations early (and with newer vaccines, you can hit them at 3 to 5 weeks for prophylaxis in the event of high-risk exposure, or 5 to 6 weeks for a normal first shot). Usually it takes losing a whole litter to parvo at 8 weeks to get the facts thru their heads, and even then some don't change their ways.
Incidentally, you can't half-dose vaccine either (some idiots do that as well) because there's a threshold number of virus particles necessary to induce immunity. High-titer vaccines (with 3 to 5 times the number of virus particles) do a much better job of generating immunity, especially in very young puppies (and when one still needs to overcome maternal antibodies).
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
As opposed to the standard poor level of competence at the public school.
On the plus side, one of the big effects on student performance is parental involvement, and home-schooling is heavy on that. As long as they have to pass the same sort of tests as their public-school counterparts, it's probably fine.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Its convenient to blame parents who don't trust government dictates. Would there be as much anger if it turns out to be a problem with the lack of connection of the vast immigrant community in calif to the public health system. Or if it turns out that public health in CA is run about as effectively as the VA. Or if it turns out that a contributor to the problem is the relatively absence of any health screening for infectious disease on the borders, ports or airports. Or the possibility that very little effort is going into developing new vaccines or antibiotics as more and more resistant strains emerge while the FDA is more intent on making drug development more and more expensive and less and less profitable.
Somehow, the very people who probably sport "question authority" bumper stickers on their cars are all to eager to unquestioningly take the side of the state and demonize individuals.
So can public schools. My public school experience, while not really horrible, was sufficiently unpleasant that I mostly tuned out and almost didn't graduate on time. I came to my senses early enough in the last year to maintain grades just good enough to get me out.
Maybe I was just a loser. Then again, I went on to a 3.9+ undergrad GPA, and later a Masters degree. I blame that crappy public school for my graduating college 6 years late. If it had sucked less, I'd have gone straight to college and probably wouldn't have had to pay for it.
I don't think the answer is banning homeschooling or banning public or traditional private schools. It's setting sufficiently high standards. If you can meet them, great. Open a school.
for PC reasons.
When you send thousands of individuals across the border without paperwork, or basic screening, from nations with constant whooping cough outbreaks, and concentrate them in a few major areas, all those areas see increased cases.
Cases here in santa clara county are rapidly rising too.
practically open borders let a lot more through through than just people. Coyotes don't check the health of their charges before smuggling them in. With many believing this is the Land of Free they're practically counting on getting treatment here that their own nations are unwilling to provide.
Which weirds me out why so many are so nationalistic from a land that they ran from/forced them out that they want to make that nation here. But not go back en masse and change things.
Welcome to life, dude. You cant protect yourself from everything. It's getting to the point where one can't do much of anything without researching and obeying a boatload of regs and buying expensive insurance in order to protect the involved parties from lawsuits based on those laws. It's too top heavy.
An immunity disorder as massive as you suggest is a death sentence, vaccinated populace or not. I assume you worry about being struck by micrometeorites too? I also suppose you can argue without ad hominem attacks? After all, such rampant emotionalism in place of reason WOULD be the typical 'socialist commie' thing to do.
It's not very surprising you don't know the difference between "your" and "you're", yet feel capable of examining and appraising this situation. Hubris at work, ladies and gentlemen.