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Microsoft Wants You To Trade Your MacBook Air In For a Surface Pro 3

mpicpp writes with news about a new Microsoft trade-in program to encourage sales of the new Surface Pro 3. Microsoft is offering a limited time Surface Pro 3 promotion via which users can get up to $650 in store credit for trading in certain Apple MacBook Air models. The new promotion, running June 20 to July 31, 2014 -- "or while supplies last" -- requires users to bring MacBook Airs into select Microsoft retail stores in the U.S., Puerto Rico and Canada. (The trade-in isn't valid online.)...To get the maximum ($650) value, users have to apply the store credit toward the purchase of a Surface Pro 3, the most recent model of the company's Intel-based Surface tablets.

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  1. Not likely. by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 5, Informative

    The MBA and MBP are both fine machines. My wife get's a computer that works most of the time. I get a computer with a bash shell on which I can do my thing. Neither have shown any tendency to falls apart, unlike every Asus, Lenovo, Toshiba and HP we've had.

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    1. Re:Not likely. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The MBA and MBP are both fine machines. My wife get's a computer that works most of the time. I get a computer with a bash shell on which I can do my thing. Neither have shown any tendency to falls apart, unlike every Asus, Lenovo, Toshiba and HP we've had.

      Absolutely, And you have to give up the smooth and functional OSX interface for the freaked out Metro disaster, and the unintuitive controls.

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    2. Re: Not likely. by Redbehrend · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My Asus machines have out lasted my ownership and the second owners are still using them.... Since when does everything fall apart because it's not apple? Lol Next time look at the Apple desks at the Apple store and realize that most of those people are receiving support or repairs. It's like that with every company... IMO Metro isn't horrible on a touch screen, I like the live tiles...

    3. Re:Not likely. by wile_e_wonka · · Score: 5, Informative

      What he means, I think, is that most computer companies make "consumer grade" machines and "commercial grade" machines. I've not has an Asus or Lenovo, but I've had Toshiba, HP, and Dell. With respect to Dell, I've had both consumer and commercial grade machines, built to higher specifications. Most recently I purchased a Dell Latitude 5000 series laptop--in Dell's explanation of this computer in comparison to the 7000 series, it gave the 5000 series a build quality of 3 out of 4 stars, it gave the 3000 series 2 out of 4 stars (still Latitude--which implies the consumer grade stuff is 1 out of 4 stars for build quality). The consumer grade machines seem to be designed to last about 2 years or less. The commercial grade machines are designed to last more like 4 years.

      The problem is, you have to pay a premium for the commercial grade machines.

      With Apple, there is no "consumer grade" and "commercial grade"--they're all made to high specifications.

    4. Re:Not likely. by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Macbooks run MacOS, not IOS.

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    5. Re:Not likely. by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 4, Interesting

      So the magic mouse swipe gestures aren't obvious to people used to regular mice, I was very resistant, but I now love and miss them.

      But I otherwise agree, I don't find anything about OSX to be "intuitive" to people used to using windows or linux. OSX is a fine windowing system, but it's a little rough around the hedges when it comes to usability for the portion of the world that simply cannot become Apple converts.

      Hardware wise though, I have not found anything that comes close to an MBP. Windows or OSX, it beats the unholy snot out of its competition.

    6. Re: Not likely. by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 2, Informative

      The thing that looks right about the construction of the current Mac books is that the monolithic aluminium case doesn't have any flappy bits to fall off. Why other manufacturers do not do something similar is beyond me.

      I forgot to mention a Sony laptop. That also failed. The bottom panel came off, the disk failed and the CD drive failed. So I can't install linux on it because the CD isn't working and it won't boot linux from a flash drive, presumably because of something stupid Sony did. So it's dead and I'm not putting any more work into it..

      To be fair, an older Mac book pro suffered badly when my wife dropped it. It was heavy and so crushed its own corner when it landed. The air just got a little dent in the corner when she dropped it. I don't drop my laptops, so it's not a fair comparison.

      But since then I decided we would only get Mac books (since the Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge/Haswell genre) and screw the cost. The improvement in reliability is very apparent, and the TCO is probably lower because they last longer.

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    7. Re:Not likely. by kesuki · · Score: 2

      "What he means, I think, is that most computer companies make "consumer grade" machines and "commercial grade" machines. I've not has an Asus or Lenovo, but I've had Toshiba, HP, and Dell. With respect to Dell, I've had both consumer and commercial grade machines, built to higher specifications."

      i have owned and used packard bell, HP, dell, compaq(before hp bought em), and a lenovo. the first computer i bought with my own income was a packardbell 80486 dx2 75mhz. that was built like a tank, and was about as useful as a paperweight. it took the thing about 40 minutes to encode a 4 minute song to mp3. and yes i did that on that machine. anyways that was the most reliable piece of hardware i ever owned. it spent 4 years as a desktop and about 11 years as a server, though the hdds failed on it 3 times in the same timeframe. my laptop a compaq pentium 120, ran for 13 years until i hid it in a dumpster, but it had the F00F bug so was never reliable. from there on all my parts lasted less long, the quality went down. my first dell laptop lasted about 5 years less than the pentium120 and my recent alienware rig had a motherboard failure in 3 weeks and a psu issue another month later. that makes it qualify as my least reliable pc ever. alienware laptops aren't even designed by the main fab producers for dell, and still a bad MB. anyways consumer and commercial grade isn't real at dell, and i doubt it is real elsewhere. if you research parts you can build a desktop that is fast and will last a decade, and for only a little more than the 'fast enough for windows8/debianwheezy' laptop. seriously the default WM for debian wheezy is slower than windows 8 i timed them. on the same computer.

      " Most recently I purchased a Dell Latitude 5000 series laptop--in Dell's explanation of this computer in comparison to the 7000 series, it gave the 5000 series a build quality of 3 out of 4 stars, it gave the 3000 series 2 out of 4 stars (still Latitude--which implies the consumer grade stuff is 1 out of 4 stars for build quality). The consumer grade machines seem to be designed to last about 2 years or less. The commercial grade machines are designed to last more like 4 years."

      i have a laptop that was built like trash grade and it has been more reliable than alienware. of course its running linux with a lighter wm than the default one in wheezy... but it is going to last me another 6 years, as all it does is internet when main rig is in install/update/backup discs mode, and is used as a second layer of virus detection and removal for windows machines not all of which belong to me, and i have no say as to the os on those windows machines.

      "The problem is, you have to pay a premium for the commercial grade machines."

      there was a day when a computer was $5,000 and was a calculator at massive size. remember the dx2 75mhz? it was about 100 times faster than the $5000 machine i am thinking of and can't recall the specs or useful links right now.

      "With Apple, there is no "consumer grade" and "commercial grade"--they're all made to high specifications."

      apple products are all one grade of materials. however, they are not any more immune to faulty boards caps etc. their parts are notorious for being high profit, http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/09/24/iphone-5s-5c-teardowns-suggest-199-183-build-costs-for-apple they buy $183 worth of parts sell it for $1,000 $600 of which the cell phone has you pay over 12 months roughly. the mac lineup is in a similar situation and really if apple gets the chips for that price i doubt samsung pays higher ditto with dell. apple gets by on reputation. they wouldn't have that reputation if they hadn't been in schools or have numerous graphics stuff like photoshop, and the new ipad commercial where they make a whole symphony from one ipad. windows can't buy that reputation. they are the 'buggy, but just works and can game too even if the people you game with

    8. Re:Not likely. by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's possible for a thing to be both intuitive and awful.

      Yeah, vomiting, for instance. That's both intuitive and awful. ;-)

      Therefore, Surface is like vomiting. :-P

      (Cheap humor only folks, I've never actually even seen one.)

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    9. Re:Not likely. by tsa · · Score: 2

      It's remarkable how much capitalization and punctuation do for readability.

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    10. Re:Not likely. by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      My current job uses OSX, and it was the first time I had ever used it after a long history of unix and some windows. I found it very easy to pick up. The touch pad stuff when I use it is great, and easy to learn (the configuration settings came with little videos of what the various settings did which made it easy to pick up). Though I usually use a normal mouse rather than use it as a laptop. But there is nothing in OSX day-to-day that is that unusual to a long time X windows or Windows user, except maybe for menu bar up top always, but that is easy to figure out and most people will have it down solid in a day. I can swap between windows at home and Mac at work (and linux in vm) without confusion.

      Now to be fair, I don't use that many "default" OSX application, just the settings, finder, and terminal.

      It's just another UI.

  2. Re:Trade crap for crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Er really?

    Maybe visit a sysadmin or software dev conference. Macbook Air's are pretty common and for a good reason.

    Calm your nerd rage down a bit.

  3. "up to" $650 for a macbook air trade in? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In 'good' condition... they're worth more than that on Craigslist...

    1. Re:"up to" $650 for a macbook air trade in? by guruevi · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The funny thing is, MBA's even early models are still worth a pretty dime second hand (usually 50-80% of purchase price based on condition and age), Surface Pro's won't fetch more than 1/3 of their purchase price.

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    2. Re: "up to" $650 for a macbook air trade in? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's because people don't understand there's more than one model and if they do they don't understand how to tell them apart or what the benefits of a new model are.

  4. This is telling by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What this tells me is that Microsoft has given up trying to promote the Surface as a tablet. It's a laptop that happens to have a detachable keyboard. Note that they didn't even try to offer a trade-in of ipads for the surface, which would be a more reasonable comparison if the surface was successful as a tablet. The ipad is a different use case, and Microsoft just doesn't play well in that space.

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    1. Re:This is telling by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Microsoft's advertising for the Surface has shown that they don't get what tablets are FOR, from day one.

      "And you can get a keyboard for it, and OF COURSE, it runs Microsoft Office"

      'Cause THAT'S what people do with tablets...

    2. Re:This is telling by hAckz0r · · Score: 2

      Microsoft has given up trying to promote the Surface as a ...

      ... saleable machine. Rather than dumping their excess, in public view of shareholders, they are now even more willing to take a more substantial loss, so long as they can still claim X millions of units sold . Better than tossing them like with the Surface RT. Shareholders will likely complain if they try that one again.

    3. Re:This is telling by uCallHimDrJ0NES · · Score: 3, Funny

      >It's a laptop that happens to have a detachable keyboard.

      Well, duh. Every Windows tablet is a laptop with a detachable keyboard.

      Well, duh! Every observation is obvious when you're repeating it with the words "Well, duh!" in front of it. Let's face it, everybody knows that. Aren't you glad you contributed to the thread?

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    4. Re:This is telling by MightyMartian · · Score: 3

      No, the mere fact that Microsoft built the Surface tablets demonstrates they don't have the foggiest idea what tablets are used for.

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    5. Re:This is telling by danomac · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah, Microsoft is now going for portable business integration. You can manage them with Active Directory - I just added one.

      We are looking to go more portable at work but we don't want to have a laptop and a tablet for every user. Picked up one of the new Surface 3 devices and while it looks like it will integrate nicely for our day-to-day use at work, I don't like it enough to have one at home for personal use. It's actually got some well thought out ideas in the device.

      Given that an iPad can cost $1k now (256GB storage, same as this Surface Pro 3 I'm testing) It's not too far-fetched in price in my opinion, seeing as you can do more with it and aren't constrained to the App or Play store. Doesn't mean I'd buy one for personal use, though. Once the docks are released I can see potential for it replacing some of our old workstations.

    6. Re:This is telling by Xenx · · Score: 2

      The Surface Pro has always been marketed as a laptop replacement, not as just a tablet. This doesn't suddenly change anything.

    7. Re:This is telling by Yunzil · · Score: 2

      That's OK, I don't know what tablets are for either.

  5. See even Microsoft thinks MacBook Airs rule! by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 4, Funny

    They'll do anything to pick them up cheaply, even trade some unwanted Surface 3's for some!

    Jokes aside (and please don't mod for flamebait, it's sarcasm above, downmod for a bad joke if anything) ...

    I don't think will go much. You're assuming that someone values their $1000+ dollar MacBook Air at $650 and values the Surface at something worth the discount. Considering the amount of work you'd have to do to migrate (either Windows to Mac, or Mac to Windows) you have to think about 200-300 realistically for swapping costs. Makes good headlines (as we see here) but won't help much.

    1. Re:See even Microsoft thinks MacBook Airs rule! by guruevi · · Score: 2

      You'll need $200/y for just an Office (Office365) and simple photo/music management suite (Adobe CC), which is included in every purchase of a Mac.

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    2. Re:See even Microsoft thinks MacBook Airs rule! by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      Considering the amount of work you'd have to do to migrate (either Windows to Mac, or Mac to Windows) you have to think about 200-300 realistically for swapping costs. Makes good headlines (as we see here) but won't help much.

      I suspect they are targeting Mac users who have never seen the Metro interface, or whatever they are calling it these days. W8 got my wife to stop using her computer until I installed Mint on it.

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    3. Re:See even Microsoft thinks MacBook Airs rule! by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm a programmer. I've written GUI code, I've written a device driver that shipped in a commercial UNIX kernel. I've used Windows since 3.1 days (WindowsForWorkgroupsForTheWin!). I've even debugged and configured Windows Vista in Chinese even though I can't read it - I was able to get someone to translate the occasional dialog box.

      I can not understand Win8. When my sister asks me to help configure something on her Win8 laptop, I struggle with the UI as if I'm some rookie coming from some stoneage tribe.

      I hate hate hate hate Windows 8.

    4. Re:See even Microsoft thinks MacBook Airs rule! by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh good. I am not alone. I've seen some of the most arcane interfaces on this planet, some of them not seen by more than a handful of people altogether, so arcane and mysterious that its name shall not be spoken. GUIs that made you beg for a CLI, for you knew that even if you had to memorize all the commands and had no -? to aid you, it could not possibly take more than a fraction of the time you'd need to get behind the twisted logic of the GUI in front of you. I cursed them, but I mastered them all, in little time.

      Metro is a mystery. It simply has no rhyme or reason to it. It fucking makes no sense AT ALL. No matter what you want to do, applying sense and logic is the wrong way to do something. Usually you find your way around by pondering "Now, what would be the LEAST intuitive way to do something?", and usually you shall be rewarded with a solution.

      If you offered me the choice "Metro or..." my answer, before you are done with the sentence, is "the other one". Even if you end in "or a stone tablet".

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    5. Re:See even Microsoft thinks MacBook Airs rule! by Greyfox · · Score: 2

      You could install Linux on earlier versions of the surface. That might make a reasonably decent machine, assuming bluetooth could be made to work with it. Do you know if you can still install Linux on the new ones?

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    6. Re:See even Microsoft thinks MacBook Airs rule! by IronChef · · Score: 2

      Windows 8 takes everything you thought you knew about Windows, kills it, rapes it, buries it, digs it up, rapes it again, sets it on fire, and props up the corpse with rusty coat-hangers in the form of a rude gesture.

      Strangely, I still love my Surface Pro, but it is despite Windows 8, not because of it. I think for a certain niche it's a sensible machine, but admittedly that niche is awfully narrow.

  6. Where do I sign up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To get one of the trade in Mac Book Air (s) ??

  7. Bring in your junk, get a tablet by iamacat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am sure ebay is full of cheap damaged Macbooks which power on and don't have screen cracks or water damage. Buy for less than $650, resell Surface, profit!

  8. Slashdot editors owe me a new keyboard. by jd2112 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "While supplies last." That's the funniest thing I've heard all day.

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    1. Re:Slashdot editors owe me a new keyboard. by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      Look at it this way. Now that they've found the Atari 2600 ET cartridges in a New Mexico landfill, there's plenty of room for all the Surfaces (all variants) that Microsoft can't sell.

      It's amusing watching the mighty Redmond Emperor with his clothes off; a whole product line and who knows how much R&D and marketing cash dumped into it, that almost no one actually fucking wants. It's so bad that they can't even get their OEM network to build the fucking things and they have to put them under their own brand name as they try the final futile stunt of acting like they're Apple.

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  9. HA! by Mephistophocles · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Man. What idiot marketing shill came up with that harebrained scheme? Talk about corporate desperation. So we'll trade in a perfectly good MBA for half what it's worth in credit toward a glorified tablet that M$ can't seem to give away? (yes, I know that's last year's news but no reason to believe anything will change with version 3 IMHO). No thanks. I'm not really a huge fan of the MBA either, but this is ridiculous.

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  10. Cue the crickets... by Nexion · · Score: 2

    If anyone did take them up on the offer I'd be amazed.

  11. Re:Can I buy a traded-in Air? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

    I will take one of those used Airs off their hands.

    Well, that means there will be one left.

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  12. Re:Great deal! by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's more brilliant than you think—now the Microsoft employees who came up with this idea can get MacBooks without getting their boss's signature! In theory, anyway.

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  13. Re:224 miles round trip by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If Microsoft wants any uptake on these promotions it needs to find religion and begin praying for a miracle, because the group of people you can almost guarantee are the least likely to switch to Microsoft products are Apple owners.

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  14. Psst.. Hey buddy! by the_skywise · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'll give you $5 for your $20 bill!

    I think I'm going to like this new MS CEO...

  15. reverse it & you'll see M$ is desperate by globaljustin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft is desperate.

    How can you tell?

    Let's reverse this...can you imagine if Apple gave a similar $$ discount on Macbook Air & iPads in trade for a Microsoft Surface?

    bummed out x-mas gift recipients would line up around the corner!

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    1. Re:reverse it & you'll see M$ is desperate by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Funny

      Microsoft is desperate. How can you tell?

      I think the explanation is obvious: Microsoft employees want those nice shiny MBAs, but because they don't have the money anymore, they want to barter for them with those SPs lying in their warehouses. ;-)

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    2. Re:reverse it & you'll see M$ is desperate by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Actually, it would be an AWESOME PR stunt by Apple if they just went ahead and did that.

      I dare say that it would be one of the bigger PR blunders for MS in the past decade.

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    3. Re:reverse it & you'll see M$ is desperate by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Last time I was in their neighborhood, MS employees were hauling MBPs around as their primary laptops. I never understood how they could get away with that, but "research" was in their job title...

    4. Re:reverse it & you'll see M$ is desperate by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Now many companies have an "eat your own dogfood" policy. But when your product is less desirable than actual dogfood then employees figure out a way around the policy.

    5. Re:reverse it & you'll see M$ is desperate by wwphx · · Score: 2

      I switched to Macs maybe eight years ago or so, largely because of my wife: she's an astronomer and the observatory that she's at uses linux as their core with Macs as their workstations. I definitely agree with your colleague, I've found that Windows under Parallels is extremely stable, more stable than I've experienced on dedicated hardware, and I would imagine more so if you were running it under Bootcamp, which I haven't done yet.

      I have two complaints about Parallels. First, they don't support fooling the OS in to perceiving different video cards so you can run old games under it, second they are very aggressive about planned obsolescence when a new Mac OS comes out, i.e. every year, or a new Windows OS comes out, every couple of years. As a result, I only upgrade when I absolutely must, and I expect Win 7 to have pretty long legs.

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  16. My 2 year old MBA still beats their Surfactant3 by spiritgreywolf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seriously. I love the MacBook Air I got a couple of years ago. The thing works very well, and even runs the occasional VMWare Fusion image of Windows 7 I need to run occasionally off of a portable thunderbolt drive. On a whim I got one of the earlier Surface tablets when the wife and I were in Vegas and they had a Kiosk where they were practically giving them away - but for the life of me still cannot use it for anything truly productive.

    Trade in a MacBook Air for a surface?! Sorry Microsoft. You've been a day late and a dollar short ever since Ballmer pissed on the idea of tablets and smartphones and Apple smoked you and ate you for breakfast. Apple would have to skullf**k a small, disabled child onstage during their next keynote to even _think_ of falling behind enough for you to catch up to relevancy.

    Microsoft - As long as I can virtualize your OS, take a snapshot and rollback when your OS takes a dive and run it all on a machine that, you know, _works_ I won't buy another piece of hardware branded by you. Ever.

    And as another poster mentioned, "While supplies last." Really? Wow, even with Steve "Developers Developers Developers" Ballmer gone, you _still_ have a great sense of humor.

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  17. Re:Great deal! by MightyMartian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's an expensive piece of hardware whose performance doesn't justify the cost and whose size makes it a terrible fucking tablet. I could buy a Nexus 7 and a tolerable decent notebook for less than a Surface 3 and have the best of both worlds.

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  18. Re:Great deal! by clarkn0va · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wow, it seems even Microsoft would rather have Apple's product than their own.

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  19. They Multiply... by imag0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Here recently I run by the store on the way home to pick up some milk. Was in a rush and left my Surface Pro on the front seat, in plain view.

    When I came out, I discovered someone had broken into my car and left three more Surface Pro's :(

    1. Re:They Multiply... by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's consistent with the observation that people litter where they notice others have littered before.

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  20. Microsoft targeting Apple users? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Microsoft wants Apple users to trade their laptops for Microsoft tablets. How thick are they?

    Next up: Microsoft wants you to trade your Playstation 4 in for an Xbox One and only offers you a 200$ rebate for for it, too.

  21. Re:Great deal! by Anubis+IV · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Surface Pros can do things that no other tablet can. Your jealousy is showing.

    That's nice and all, but your lack of useful and relevant examples is rather glaring.

    I don't think anyone here is denying that the Surface line is trying to do something that's quite a bit different from what other tablets are doing. They're definitely targeting a different set of use cases than what the iPad, Fire, or Galaxy Tab lines are hitting, and I have no doubt that the Surface Pro can do stuff no other tablet can. But the important question isn't, "Does it do stuff no one else can?" The important question to ask is, "Are the things it can do of interest to people and executed well?" And based on sales numbers, professional reviews, and numerous firsthand accounts both here and elsewhere, the answer is a resounding, "No".

    Really, when you get down to it, the Surface line is simply a fresh iteration of the same strategy Microsoft has been employing in the tablet space since the early 2000s: put Windows everywhere so that users can have the power of a "PC" in their hand. The only thing that's changed is the execution, and you don't need to look long and hard at Windows 8 reviews to know that they botched that as well. The strategy may actually work for them if it is executed properly, but the fact that the market stayed nascent for ten years until a competitor introduced a device employing an alternative strategy indicates that they didn't get it right then, and the fact that the Surface line hasn't seen any real uptake should be good indications that either the strategy is a losing one or else that they have yet to execute properly on it.

    TL;DR: Just because a device can do stuff other devices can't doesn't mean it's a good idea. We don't want compact cars with truck beds, wedding cakes from Burger King, or tight-fitting exercise shorts made of designer denim. In trying to be both a tablet and laptop, the Surface ended up being good at neither.

  22. Re:Great deal! by Anubis+IV · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hold up: you're missing an important distinction.

    The MacBook Air isn't just a laptop. It is a laptop. That's all it is, and it's a darn good laptop. It does laptop things really well.

    By not just being a tablet, the Surface has failed to be good at being anything at all. If you pit it against laptops, it's under-specced for the price. For that sort of money, you can do a lot better elsewhere. And if you pit it against tablets, it's lacking apps and overpriced. It's in a weird space between the two that no one is interested in. I commend them for trying something different than everyone else and trying to carve out a unique niche (really, I do!), but I don't see how this particular execution of their strategy can be painted as anything other than an extended failure that has yet to turn the corner. I honestly hope it will, but it has yet to do so.

  23. I can see why this would work by Groo+Wanderer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Gosh, why not? I can see someone looking at their MBA saying, "It works perfectly, has a great OS, awesome battery life, and does everything I could ask for and does it fast. I need to dump this for a barely functional device with an actively antagonistic OS sold by a company unable to secure a wet paper bag or make software that works acceptably. All this for far less battery life and far more money. I wish I had 2 MBAs to trade in!",

    Back to the real world....

    Did I mention that the day after the S3's release I was at a press event on a bus full of journalists. Anand has his S3 and in less than 24 hours it broke. The entire bus full of tech journos all concluded it was better that way.

    That said, some people do like it. Microsoft traded in an absolute monopoly lock on the desktop to cater to 10% of their base. Clever that MS management, clever.

                                    -Charlie

  24. OK, MS... let's try this... by jpellino · · Score: 2

    I stand outside the MS store with a sign: "I'll pay $660 for the first working 2012 or later MBA 13 4/256" They get their cash, I get a very nice MBA for a song, and if the Surface3 is all that they'll still head into the store and buy it. MS store managers can't legally use a taser, right?

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    "Win treats sysadmins better than users. Mac treats users better than sysadmins. Linux treats everyone like sysadmins."
  25. Re:Micro.Slashvert .. by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hey, every newspaper has its funnies section, why shouldn't /.?

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  26. Re:Great deal! by theskipper · · Score: 2

    Heh. And for folks who have a Microsoft store nearby, stop in and ask if they have any used MBAs for sale ;)

  27. Analogies, Analogies, Analogies, Analogies... by Snufu · · Score: 2

    Think of it as trading your new hope for a phantom menace.

  28. In other news... by Macman408 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...Ford is offering a rebate on a new Fiesta (with power locks and windows!) for anybody willing to trade in their Tesla Model S.

  29. The commercials say a lot. by jpellino · · Score: 4, Funny

    Apple commercials show people doing actual useful things with their gear. MS commercials show people magically dancing through time and space with their gear.

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    "Win treats sysadmins better than users. Mac treats users better than sysadmins. Linux treats everyone like sysadmins."
    1. Re:The commercials say a lot. by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      From what I can tell from the commercials, Surface users repeatedly take the keyboard off and put it back on in order to make cool snapping sounds.