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Russia Moves From Summer Time To Standard Time

jones_supa writes: Russia's legislature, often accused of metaphorically turning back the clock, has decided to do it literally – abandoning the policy of keeping the country on daylight-saving time all year. The 2011 move to impose permanent "summer time" in 2011 was one of the most memorable and least popular initiatives of Dmitry Medvedev's presidency. It forced tens of millions to travel to their jobs in pitch darkness during the winter. In the depths of December, the sun doesn't clear the horizon in Moscow until 10am. The State Duma, the lower house of parliament, voted 442-1 on Tuesday to return to standard time this autumn and stay there all year. The article also discusses a ban on swearing in books, plays, and films that went into effect today in Russia.

158 comments

  1. A ban on swearing in books, plays, and films? by nitehawk214 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Fuck that.

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    1. Re:A ban on swearing in books, plays, and films? by Travis+Mansbridge · · Score: 2

      In Soviet Russia, ____ you!

    2. Re:A ban on swearing in books, plays, and films? by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Russia, time for Russia to fuck you!

    3. Re:A ban on swearing in books, plays, and films? by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      In Russia, Soviet Russia fucks time!

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    4. Re:A ban on swearing in books, plays, and films? by pushing-robot · · Score: 1

      Fortunately for you Slashdot isn't a book, play, or film. (Although I'm probably skirting the edges with Google's Operafier plugin.)

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    5. Re:A ban on swearing in books, plays, and films? by war4peace · · Score: 1

      I've read books not much bigger than that comment, and less funny for sure.

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    6. Re:A ban on swearing in books, plays, and films? by Mondor · · Score: 1

      Slashdot is mass media. Mass media can't swear now too.
      Bloggers are mass media too, if they have 3000 subscribers or more. Immediately after the parliament made that decision, LiveJournal.com (which now belongs to Russian company) removed the stats from bloggers, expressing numbers in Heroes Of Might and Magic style.

      I assume, that this rule won't be enforced like it could happen in Saudi Arabia or other similarly enlightened country. Instead, Russian authorities are getting a license to kill, for later use, when the real cause could be personal dislike or business interests.

      Also, if I remember right, they wanted to force all Russian mass media to be hosted in Russia. You know why.

    7. Re:A ban on swearing in books, plays, and films? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well that just killed my new novel, War and Fucking Peace, Cocksucker!

    8. Re:A ban on swearing in books, plays, and films? by chaosdivine69 · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Russia Everything Fucks You!

  2. Short summer by rossdee · · Score: 1

    Russia has very short summer

    1. Re:Short summer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Certainly not all of Russia has short summers?

    2. Re:Short summer by John.Banister · · Score: 1

      Well, there is Sochi.

  3. They knew by Trachman · · Score: 1

    They knew that people will be swearing when the new time will become official, as such they made two laws at the same time. Russians themselves are, actually, unhappy and in their view this is a pure restriction of the free speech.

  4. Because by idanity · · Score: 1

    in Russia, TIME TELLS YOU

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    1. Re:Because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      in Russia, TIME CHANGES YOU

  5. News? by qpqp · · Score: 0, Troll

    So... How is this even tangentially related to being newsworthy for a tech site? Like, seriously, WTF?!

    1. Re:News? by TWX · · Score: 2

      I donno, I guess they gambled on us finding this story appropriate. A throw of the Dice if you will...

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    2. Re:News? by GigaplexNZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm a software developer, and dealing with unpredictable timezone changes is not fun. This is definitely relevant to me.

    3. Re:News? by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Funny

      So... How is this even tangentially related to being newsworthy for a tech site?

      Like, seriously, WTF?!

      It's newsworthy because we finally have proof that another countries legislature is at least, just as ridiculous as our own.

    4. Re:News? by EEPROMS · · Score: 1

      says the man who has never had to manage servers in different countries where time zone changes can totally screw with automated management scripts.

    5. Re:News? by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 2

      So... How is this even tangentially related to being newsworthy for a tech site? Like, seriously, WTF?!

      It's not, really. I mean, some people here have to deal with maintaining time zone changes on servers and such, so it will be relevant to a few.

      But it's mostly to draw out two major types of people who love to debate time issues on Slashdot: (1) people who want to have the perpetual debate about whether Daylight Time EVER makes sense (or whether it ever "saves" anything), and (2) the people who love to propose their favorite "NEW" alternative time and calendar initiatives that are generally very similar to ones that have been debated by weirdos for hundreds of years and have absolutely no chance of being widely adopted.

      Just wait... that's the sort of discussion to expect whenever anyone brings up time standards.

    6. Re:News? by hubie · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the third type: the ones who can't figure out why people get so worked up angry about an hour difference, and couldn't care either way.

    7. Re:News? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It helps spreading Russophobia.
      Sinophobia and Russophobia are ways to distract people from their own shitty govts.

    8. Re:News? by hubie · · Score: 1

      Isn't that all handled these days in the tzdata file?

    9. Re:News? by ptaff · · Score: 2

      I'm a software developer, and dealing with unpredictable timezone changes is not fun. [...]

      That's why you should never deal with dates/timezones yourself; use libraries and avoid lethal headaches. For instance, the good people taking care of tzdata are already working on it.

    10. Re:News? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It won't work, because people will see through both due to the Net, and that both have extreme, kick-ass propaganda departments.

      Wish we had a good propaganda department to promote nationalism here in the US... more people care about what celeb is in rehab, or some stupid wedge issue as opposed to real shit going down like ISIS/ISIL, and the consequences of Iraq's government completely failing (there will be a point where Iran and KSA move in to protect their ilk, squashing the Kurds in the middle.) If people actually gave a flying fsck about the country, it would be nice.

    11. Re:News? by vux984 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even then its still a headache.

      Just because someone else fixed the library, doesn't mean my servers and embedded devices have the update yet.

    12. Re:News? by zippthorne · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What are they doing reading an article about DST then?

      Obligatory Onion link and XKCD link

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    13. Re: News? by jmaline · · Score: 1

      And it takes zero effort to get updated tzdata on 'n' different platforms that a company might run? Including outdated ones (sad, but common).

      I was involved in the project to manage fan out the last time US changed DST rules a few years back. It's a project.

      At the time I would occasionally read the tzdata mailing list. I was amazed at how many countries kept changing the rules willy-nilly. No one in government has any understanding of computer systems. I assume these countries with frequent rule changes get used to half of their computerized systems showing the wrong time.

    14. Re:News? by ipstas · · Score: 2

      and this is why UTC was invented.

    15. Re:News? by GigaplexNZ · · Score: 1

      We do use libraries, but as the other posters have mentioned, keeping these systems up to date is a nightmare. Relying on customers to keep their systems up to date too is even worse.

    16. Re:News? by GigaplexNZ · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We use UTC internally, but that doesn't stop customers from reporting bugs with wrong timestamps in the UI since they don't have the latest timezone rule patches installed.

    17. Re:News? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [...] as opposed to real shit going down like ISIS/ISIL, and the consequences of Iraq's government completely failing (there will be a point where Iran and KSA move in to protect their ilk, squashing the Kurds in the middle.) If people actually gave a flying fsck about the country, it would be nice.

      What if you start caring about your own ass, instead of messing (once and once again) with random people in remote countries?
      YOUR country trained, financed and supported Al-Quaeda and ISIS, YOUR country has killed millions of people with the excuse of "democracy" and "freedom", and to "protect" them. YOUR country has trained MANY bloody dictators in the past, YOUR country praises warmongers to the benefit of a few corporations. You could say "Oh, but you are talking about the government!", but, WHOSE government is? YOUR goverment, YOUR responsibility. If they did it with YOUR votes, your apathy or your ignorance, it doesn't matter.
      YOUR government killed Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi, YOUR country is bombing people with white phosphor and dirty bombs, YOUR country is GENOCIDAL. YOUR policy is HYPOCRISY and TERRORISM against those who dare touch your statu quo.
      You wonder why is your country becoming a police state? READ THE HISTORY OF YOUR OWN FUCKING COUNTRY.

    18. Re:News? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think I see where you're going. So now people from the US can say "But YOUR government changed the time zone twice in a year!"

    19. Re:News? by qpqp · · Score: 1

      Uhm... I really don't wanna break it to you this way, but ... My servers (in different time-zones) are centralized.

    20. Re:News? by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Give it time, we'll eventually hit a 36 hour day.

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    21. Re:News? by qpqp · · Score: 1

      Ok, I stand corrected. There's the one touching point...

    22. Re:News? by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1

      Even then its still a headache.

      Just because someone else fixed the library, doesn't mean my servers and embedded devices have the update yet.

      Presumably by "the library" you mean "the tzdata files"; this involves no code changes. The whole point of the Olson timezone database and library was to remove any knowledge of specific daylight savings time rules from any code whatsoever, so that changes to the rules could be handled without having to change source code, recompile, and relink every program (this was back in 1987, when shared libraries were still somewhat rare on UN*X systems). Thank you, Clorox and company.

      But there still needs to be an update, and that might require restarting processes that have already loaded the now-out-of-date rule information, so, yeah, it's not as if the timezone cabal can wave their hands and magically update all the systems out there.

    23. Re:News? by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1

      So... How is this even tangentially related to being newsworthy for a tech site?

      Like, seriously, WTF?!

      It's newsworthy because we finally have proof that another countries legislature is at least, just as ridiculous as our own.

      Note that the quoted statement can be made in a number of different countries; if you want proof that a lot of countries fuck around with daylight savings time rules, etc., just download the tzdata files and read.

    24. Re:News? by GNious · · Score: 1

      What about the programmers writing the date/timezone libraries? It ain't turtles all the way down :)

    25. Re: News? by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      They're content with a flashing 0:00 on their clock. That flashing means it is working, right? For telling the time, there is a consultant.

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    26. Re:News? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They got rid of daylight saving time. How is that ridiculous? Computers don't like daylight saving time (ok, computers don't care, developers don't like it), people evolved in a world without it, and every time we move the clock back and forth, we fuck up the sleep cycle for millions of people. Even animals don't like it, when wild animals have finally learned not to cross the street at the time when people are driving from and to work, we change the clock and start driving at the time that was safe before.

      Now, all we need is for the rest of the world to get rid of daylight saving time. We are not saving the candles that was intended, and needing close the curtains when watching TV does not make up for turning on the lights in the morning.

    27. Re:News? by jones_supa · · Score: 5, Funny

      So... How is this even tangentially related to being newsworthy for a tech site? Like, seriously, WTF?!

      Hi. As the submitter, my reasoning was that timezones are quite nerdy topic. There has also been lots of daylight saving articles in Slashdot over the years. As far as I know, Slashdot hasn't ever been purely tech site.

      Aw, scrap that. I actually submitted this only because I can totally annoy you with it, and because of all the possibilities for Soviet Russia jokes.

    28. Re:News? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      What's to say that GigaplexNZ isn't actually working on tzdata?

      Palming the problem off on someone maintaining a library is great until you find out that you are infact the library maintainer.

    29. Re:News? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you still have to push the updated data files to the device. With embedded devies that's not necessarily simple.

      And even if tzdata is updated, sometimes you need to tell programs to read the updated data, which isn't just a simple restart. One example is MySQL where you have to run mysql_tzinfo_to_sql to load the zoneinfo files into the internal equivalent (it's stored internally in database tables).

    30. Re:News? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ROFL

    31. Re: News? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Putin's aides are responsible for updating the tzar's Patek Philippe.

    32. Re:News? by StripedCow · · Score: 0

      You mean when the central server breaks or is compromised, all of your servers will break too?
      That sounds great.

      Distributed & federated are the keywords of today...

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    33. Re:News? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure we can expect Microsoft to have a patch for all those computers still running Windows XP, shortly.

    34. Re:News? by Megol · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. Humans have internal timers that are synced to the sun - think about that for a moment. Humans have until recently risen with the sun.
      But if we do continue with your line of reasoning we should go back to local time, something that most part of the world had until forced to change - often because of the introduction of trains. Now that would be a huge problem for software!

    35. Re:News? by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      countries, states, regions changing their time zones has been the bane of developers for decades.

    36. Re:News? by Megol · · Score: 1

      So you like fragile systems? If one have problems with something as simple as daylight saving time the codebase is sure to have a lot of other timing problems that require a lot more effort to manage.

    37. Re:News? by peragrin · · Score: 1

      Nope the concept of a weekend off will disappear though.

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    38. Re:News? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a software developer, and dealing with unpredictable timezone changes is not fun. [...]

      That's why you should never deal with dates/timezones yourself; use libraries and avoid lethal headaches. For instance, the good people taking care of tzdata are already working on it.

      As someone who's been caught out let me tell you libraries are not bug free - even commercial ones in expensive enterprise operating systems. Governments update timezones arbitrarily. It's ridiculous. Change business hours in summer vs winter, not the fucking time of day. FUCK!

    39. Re:News? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Russian government doesn't need any help in spreading Russophobia. They have done nearly anything possible for it already.

    40. Re:News? by rizole · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Russia censorship loses time???? .....No!

      In Soviet Russia....er..um.....In Capitalist Slashdot submitters troll you?

      Nah......It just doesn't work!

      In Capitalist /. expected "Russian Reversal" meme reversal, trolls troll submitter?

      Frankly I'm not convinced about "all the possibilities" dude....

    41. Re:News? by VGPowerlord · · Score: 1

      At least this particular bit of ridiculousness is being undone.

      Which is more than I can say of the US government.

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    42. Re:News? by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      Sounds like something from the 1800's and the Indian wars in the USA.

      Only the government would believe that you can cut a foot from the top of the blanket, sew it to the bottom of the blanket, and have a longer blanket.
      http://lolzombie.com/wp-conten...

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    43. Re:News? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, this!

      And some time and date formats are just plain fugly to handle in the first place. I remember doing I18N work on a system that was MS based and we had to be able to handle all the international time/date formats in a legacy point-of-sale app mostly written in VB. If you've never had the joy of trying to do that, let's just say some time-date formats are fairly bizarre and difficult. Many aren't, but the exceptional cases always are the PITA.

    44. Re:News? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the tidal effect of the moon is slowing the earth's rotation, so the prior poster is correct: given enough time, we will hit a 36 hour day.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_acceleration
       

    45. Re:News? by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1

      But you still have to push the updated data files to the device. With embedded devies that's not necessarily simple.

      And even if tzdata is updated, sometimes you need to tell programs to read the updated data, which isn't just a simple restart. One example is MySQL where you have to run mysql_tzinfo_to_sql to load the zoneinfo files into the internal equivalent (it's stored internally in database tables).

      Yes, as I said in the post to which you replied:

      But there still needs to be an update, and that might require restarting processes that have already loaded the now-out-of-date rule information, so, yeah, it's not as if the timezone cabal can wave their hands and magically update all the systems out there.

    46. Re:News? by skywire · · Score: 1

      For people who understand how pointless it is to perpetually have clocks set one hour off, it should promote Russophilia.

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    47. Re:News? by qpqp · · Score: 1
      Yeah, smartass, my master ntp servers break all the time.

      The pool.ntp.org project is a big virtual cluster of timeservers providing reliable easy to use NTP service for millions of clients. [...] All Pool Servers 3810

    48. Re:News? by qpqp · · Score: 1

      because I can totally annoy you with it

      Job well done! I'd like to get back at you some day ; )

    49. Re:News? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      The Russians could just go to ReactOS, and not have to worry about this one

    50. Re:News? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Time should be recalibrated so that it's all in powers of 2. 64 seconds will be a minute, 64 minutes would be an hour, 32 hours a day, and so on. Readjust how long a second is so that the above adds up to a day.

    51. Re:News? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      So Humans who live around the Arctic Circle - Lapland, North slopes of Alaska, Northern Canada, et al - they sleep for 6 months continuous and stay awake the other 6, right?

  6. Slashdot loses again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every March a story about DST is posted on /. and the posts are about 3 to 1 against the entire concept of turning clocks ahead and back twice a year. Big waste of time and money, government bureaucrats looking to justify additional staff, etc.

    Hey, maybe the coders and IT admins here don't know everything about everything even when they reach a consensus? Nah... couldn't be.

    1. Re:Slashdot loses again by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      That's the great idea about that russion system. 3 years of all-year-round DST/summer time, then all back to Standard/Winter-Time, and in a few years, they'll be going for a few years of summer time again. Like Westeros.

      Summary ommits that during soviet times, russian time was also DST all year round, so this is not a new idea from 2011. That was just the latest iteration.

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    2. Re:Slashdot loses again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh wow. The winter is coming!!1

  7. Good riddance for daylight savings time by LaughingRadish · · Score: 0

    Next lets hope that the US, Canda, and Europe abandon DSL.

    1. Re:Good riddance for daylight savings time by LaughingRadish · · Score: 1

      Whoops. DST.

    2. Re:Good riddance for daylight savings time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next lets hope that the US, Canda, and Europe abandon DSL.

      Cable for the win?

    3. Re:Good riddance for daylight savings time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about Australia you insensitive clod!

    4. Re:Good riddance for daylight savings time by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

      In Australia, the clocks are upside-down.

    5. Re:Good riddance for daylight savings time by ipstas · · Score: 1

      both!

    6. Re:Good riddance for daylight savings time by dbIII · · Score: 1

      In my state we had a vote on daylight saving. For was 49%, against was 51% and less than half a percent very faulty (informal) votes or non-attendance and that's with compulsory voting. In all other votes there's more people that turn in blank papers or ballots with things like "none of those bastards" written on them, but on daylight saving people seemed to care more about the issue.

    7. Re:Good riddance for daylight savings time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you live in Florida.

      To avoid dark mornings in the winter, standard time is needed. Yet, it is not needed in the summer - mornings are bright in either standard or summer time. So there is a choice. Summer time gives those bright summer evenings, so the answer to the choice is clear for some.

    8. Re:Good riddance for daylight savings time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's illogical. If moving time forward by an hour magically creates one more hour of light in Florida, wouldn't moving it back a thousand hours magically create a thousand hours of light? That's what the stupid Republicans are arguing. They rule this hellhole of a state with an iron fist and are constantly looking for new ways to screw us all over.

      PS: captcha was "harmony." Ha! That is the antonym of Republican.

    9. Re:Good riddance for daylight savings time by laederkeps · · Score: 2

      Also, I hear they turn counter-clockwise.

    10. Re:Good riddance for daylight savings time by jones_supa · · Score: 2

      I have heard that those radio-controlled (DCF-77 in Europe) mechanical clocks always do the time adjustment clockwise, so when moving from summer time to winter time, you might hear a "kkkrrrrrrrrrr..." in an unconvenient moment, when the clock patiently goes all 23 hours forward.

    11. Re:Good riddance for daylight savings time by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      that is true

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    12. Re:Good riddance for daylight savings time by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      that is true

      My mechanical one does this. The digital ones just boringly change instantly

    13. Re:Good riddance for daylight savings time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mine only goes 11 hours forwards.

    14. Re:Good riddance for daylight savings time by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      Yeah. Indeed all of them go 11 hours, because there was a mistake in my message: I forgot that the face of an analog clock is 12 hours instead of 24. Now, additionally we have to keep in mind that while the clock adjusts the time, the real time goes on forward at the same time, so we actually would have tweak it a bit more than 11 hours if we want to be spot on.

  8. Illogical by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Consider the inherent illogical move of banning words. Everybody has to know the words if you want to ban them. They have to know the banned word in order to not use it, thus someone has to use it, to teach them not to use it !? One assumes Russian will simply use the English words khuy (cock), pizda (cunt), yebat (to fuck) and blyad (whore) instead.

    Surely the craziness of teaching people words they are not allowed to use to make sure they can adhere to the law and not use them will dawn on them.

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    1. Re:Illogical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I can't wait for them to publish the list of words that are illegal to publish...

    2. Re:Illogical by mark-t · · Score: 1

      "It was intended that when Newspeak had been adopted once and for all and Oldspeak forgotten, a heretical thought .... should be literally unthinkable, at least so far as thought is dependent on words. " -- "1984", George Orwell

    3. Re:Illogical by AHuxley · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Russia does not have the luxury of wide open boarders or just accepting a vast culture of drink, lyrics, drugs, health issues, poor quality food and a trade in neon colored laundry liquids.
      The Russian idea is to educate as many of its own people to a good average level and then sort out the best for further top quality higher education.
      Russia does not have the option to focus on the top 10% of its best people and letting the bottom 90% drop out into slums.
      Russia seeks to teach its own people: arts, culture, classical music, math, physics, biology, history, languages with less input from a distracting imported culture pushing drink and drugs.
      Will it work? A few decades of university graduates after the 1990's might give a hint.

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    4. Re:Illogical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps putting it into law is new, but it has been that way in practice for a while. And, not surprisingly, Russia is not alone on this. Take the Comics Code, for instance.
      Looking on the bright side, maybe putting it into law can actually do some good if (and that's a big "if") people tell them to take this bullshit law and put it where the sun doesn't shine.

      This quote from Jaroslav Haek is appropriate here:

      Life is no finishing school for young ladies. Everyone speaks the way he is made. The protocol chief, Dr. Guth, speaks differently from Palivec, the landlord of The Chalice, and this novel is neither a handbook of drawing-room refinement nor a teaching manual of expressions to be used in polite society.
      It was once said, and very rightly, that a man who is well brought-up may read anything. The only people who boggle at what is perfectly natural are those who are the worst swine and the finest experts in filth. In their utterly contemptible pseudo-morality they ignore the contents and madly attack individual words.
      Years ago I read a criticism of a novelette, in which the critic was furious because the author had written: “He blew his nose and wiped it.” He said that it went against everything beautiful and exalted which literature should give the nation.
      This is only a small illustration of what bloody fools are born under the sun.

    5. Re:Illogical by sribe · · Score: 1

      shitpisscuntcocksuckermotherfuckertits

      (Did I get that right???)

    6. Re:Illogical by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      For a second there, I thought you said they just outlawed pizza (pidza).

    7. Re:Illogical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think you've missed the point. This law is to stifle political dissent. It's not possible for the average person to express an opinion about Putin and the Duma without using one of the forbidden words. So you get the effect of political censorship without having to come right out and do it directly.

    8. Re:Illogical by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      George would be proud, sir.

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    9. Re:Illogical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Russian pizza is "pitsa" (with stress on the first syllable). I guess you mean pizda (with stress on the second syllable), which is a rude word.

    10. Re:Illogical by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Actually those countries doing the best have specific multicultural zones, blending pots where many people of many cultures come together, not necessarily the whole country but at least specific cities (couple of US examples Seattle and San Francisco). If Russia wants to surge ahead, it needs to think outside of the box and promote a multicultural zone, bring in high value immigrants from many regions to conduct high tech activities. A slick move would be to turn the Crimea into a multi-cultural zone and actively promote high quality migration to that region via the promotion of technology and creativity activities, with far more liberal laws in the zone, even to the point of legalising cannabis. That would throw a real cat amongst the pigeons.

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    11. Re:Illogical by laederkeps · · Score: 2

      Quoth Carlin: Shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker, and tits.

    12. Re:Illogical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Except that it is not a ban of words at all. If you read http://ria.ru/state/20140423/1005142742.html you notice that actually it is:

      1) Only applicable to entertaiment, not opinions or information
      2) It only forces the provider of the content to advise before showing/selling the content that bad language is contained.

      That is more a rating system than a ban actually, although on state television it is likely to be used as ban.

      Nonetheless, you can write a fucking blog where you write whatever the fuck want, no problem here..

    13. Re:Illogical by John.Banister · · Score: 1

      What about trains? Couldn't trains be a multicultural zone?

    14. Re:Illogical by CRCulver · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Russia does not have the luxury of wide open boarders or just accepting a vast culture of drink ... drugs, health issues...

      The tragedy of Russia is that Russia is indeed deeply affected by these ills and much of the population is unwilling to face it, preferring instead to complain about other countries. I travel widely in Russia for linguistic/ethnographic fieldwork in Russia, and I am aghast at not just the widespread alcoholism (a perennial ill) but the widespread heroin abuse as well. You have poor village men stealing out of their wives' purses so they can get their next fix. Of course, they can't steal much because there just isn't so much money around, so the quality of the drug is crap, and needle sharing is common, which leads to the spread of HIV.

      It is easy for people in Moscow and Saint-Petersburg to pretend that everything is fine and that Russia is somehow avoiding "foreign" problems, but in fact the rest of the country is going to hell and its a damn shame. There's so much potential in Russia and yet the population is doomed by this neglect.

    15. Re:Illogical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol I like where this is going. Especially the cannabis legalization part. I'm almost sold on Crimea now.

    16. Re:Illogical by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      Heaven forbid anyone let facts get in the way of righteous online indignation.

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    17. Re:Illogical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must have heard of restrictions right? Or something like limitations or even regulations etc? ;} A good day to you.

    18. Re:Illogical by skywire · · Score: 1

      The state is never subject to the rules it dictates to its subjects, so there is no contradiction.

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  9. Saskatchewan by corychristison · · Score: 1

    This is how we do it in Saskatchewan. Permanent CST (Central Standard Time). And that's how we like it.

    We also have tempurature ranges from -45ÂC to +45ÂC,and 9 months of winter, 3 months of potholes. :-)

    1. Re:Saskatchewan by mirix · · Score: 2

      But we are also permanently on DST, as it's more like 11 when the clock reads noon.

      No way you slice it, days are too short in winter, too long in the summer. shifting one way or the other makes no difference. In winter it's dark when you get up and dark when you go home.

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    2. Re:Saskatchewan by sribe · · Score: 2

      We also have tempurature ranges from -45ÂC to +45ÂC,and 9 months of winter, 3 months of potholes. :-)

      Where I live the county government describes it to new residents this way: "The two weeks of summer are bracketed by one week each of spring and fall. The rest is winter."

    3. Re:Saskatchewan by jdwoods · · Score: 1

      I used to live in Austin, Texas where Fall, Winter, and Spring are three consecutive days in January; then it's right back to Summer.

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  10. Slashdot fails at reporting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "It forced tens of millions to travel to their jobs in pitch darkness during the winter." This is called "living in northern latitudes", people have been doing it for millennia. It also forces millions to "suffer" through really long summer days. Those of us who live in NYC also call it the "running of the boobies' and you can pry it from our cold, dead hands.

    What is more concerning is your switch from ranting about day light savings time to an aside about censoring, well, everything.

    Shifting time an hour is the act of a mad-man but telling other people what they can say and how they can express themselves is an aside? You should get your priorities in order.

    1. Re:Slashdot fails at reporting. by dargaud · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well, when the days are short, one hour of difference can mean a lot of light and temperature difference. When I was working in Antarctica Dome C, in order to 'simplify' things, 'they' decided we would have the same timezone has the logistical base of operation on the coast which was actually located 5 time zones ahead. So we had to get up when the sun was actually at 3am solar time. In other words the coldest time of day and in summer it was ofter -50C at that time while it could be a balmy -25C at noon even though there was little difference in sun elevation. To make a long story short after a few days we all started to get up at 11am to compensate. The next year they gave us our own proper timezone.

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    2. Re:Slashdot fails at reporting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Also, DST by itself doesn't force anyone to travel at particular times. If workers were forced to travel at inconvenient times, that the fault of the companies and the companies alone. They could easily make it company policy to keep different office hours in summer, but they apparently chose not to.

    3. Re:Slashdot fails at reporting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      .."running of the boobies"..?

      As a non-NY'er , please explain this! (at work, and NOT googling that!)

    4. Re:Slashdot fails at reporting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It forced tens of millions to travel to their jobs in pitch darkness during the winter." This is called "living in northern latitudes", people have been doing it for millennia. It also forces millions to "suffer" through really long summer days. Those of us who live in NYC also call it the "running of the boobies' and you can pry it from our cold, dead hands.

      What is more concerning is your switch from ranting about day light savings time to an aside about censoring, well, everything.

      Shifting time an hour is the act of a mad-man but telling other people what they can say and how they can express themselves is an aside? You should get your priorities in order.

      Shift the BUSINESS HOURS not your accounting of what time of day it is. Fucking hell.

    5. Re:Slashdot fails at reporting. by Himmy32 · · Score: 1

      I guess this just raises the question why we don't split the globe into nice even 24 zones and do what you did, set you working hours around a reasonable schedule based on the conditions you need. Somehow the unspoken rule is that you have to be to work from 7 to 9 and that what we have to set our time zones by...

      I think it would just be easier to have just one time and have your work schedule vary by your location. You could even change your work and sleep schedules how you want to during periods of less and more light based on what is rational.

    6. Re:Slashdot fails at reporting. by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      "It forced tens of millions to travel to their jobs in pitch darkness during the winter."

      I guess the Russians found out that under "Summer Time" the livin' wasn't...

      (puts on sunglasses)

      ...so easy.

      YEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

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    7. Re:Slashdot fails at reporting. by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "", people have been doing it for millennia. "
      are you stupid?
      1000 year ago people were going to work in the dark? You seriously think that?
      Tell me, slick, what work were they doing 1000 years ago that required them to do it a specific clock time? 500 years ago? 250 years ago?
      Going to work is a modern contrivance, going to work at the same specific clock time is a 20th century invention.

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    8. Re:Slashdot fails at reporting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MOD PARENT UP.

      I've been saying this for years. UTC, FTW!

    9. Re:Slashdot fails at reporting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess this just raises the question why we don't split the globe into nice even 24 zones and do what you did, set you working hours around a reasonable schedule based on the conditions you need. Somehow the unspoken rule is that you have to be to work from 7 to 9 and that what we have to set our time zones by... I think it would just be easier to have just one time and have your work schedule vary by your location. You could even change your work and sleep schedules how you want to during periods of less and more light based on what is rational.

      Dome C is only 5 hours off. I know people at a camp that was 11 hours off from solar time and were sleeping during the nicest part of the day. The problem is, the camp is run by contractors. They are the ones insisting on using New Zealand day light saving time. They also cook the food, so if you want to eat you have to follow their schedule even if it doesn't make any sense. If you complain, they'll come back something like "Tough it out, you're luck to be here at all, Beaker." Not all the contractors are like that, but enough are to make things uncomfortable.

    10. Re:Slashdot fails at reporting. by skywire · · Score: 1

      Well said, sir.

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    11. Re:Slashdot fails at reporting. by findoutmoretoday · · Score: 1

      Waking up in the dark: monks and ... hunters, fishers, sailors, soldiers, mountaineers, bakers, ...

    12. Re:Slashdot fails at reporting. by BoogieChile · · Score: 1

      Milking cows. Try leaving it till after the sun is up and your cows will not be timid in expressing their dismay. Or quiet Opening the shop before the morning rush. What, you think pastries hot from the oven for breakfast is a modern invention? Any number of religious orders have been following the canonical hours for well over a thousand years. Who do you think was getting the animals to the temple in time for the morning slaughter? And who was making their roasted walnuts, or whatever they used before coffee was invented?

  11. ban on swearing??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Russia? Are you fucking kidding me? The Russians are artistes of swearing! No joke, they have a 2 or 3 syllable short little word which translates roughly to "strike on the cunt with a spatula", just for one example...

    1. Re:ban on swearing??? by John.Banister · · Score: 1

      But don't you think the ban on writing it down will strengthen the oral tradition that got those phrases into the language in the first place? It was probably all this unfettered desktop publishing that kept the phrase for "strike on the cunt with an 89mm floppy" out of the language until it was too late for it to have meaning. Now it's just pointless, and soon it will pass out of mind, like data stored on an 89mm floppy.

  12. Abolish it all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DST should be eliminated. So should time zones. I live pretty far north, where your days get shortened more than an average american, but i dont use DST since i moved here and its awesome. but why even have time zones? it was basically a system for "high noon" being the same in places, aka: sundial based. who cares if you work 9-5 or 2-10 or 16-00. its still 8 hours. and it would be magically delicious

  13. Fuck by pitchpipe · · Score: 2

    In Putin's Russia, time fucks you.

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    1. Re:Fuck by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      No, time has a certain kind of intercourse with you.

  14. Java etc by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Some things have their own time implementations. Other things are not updated without manual intervention.
    Personally I see some merit in the Chinese option of having the entire place on Beijing time and adjusting work hours regionally instead - or just doing everything on UTC for the rest of us.

  15. Illogical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't wait for them to publish the list of words that are illegal to publish...
    Traffic Elixir

  16. I'm curious by therenaissanceman · · Score: 1

    Who was the one legislator that voted against going back to standard time?

  17. Pisdovonyuchka by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pisdovonyuchka!

    Say it. Love it.

  18. Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All of Russia's problems are solved!

  19. Hail UTC by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 0

    Hail UTC. Everyone should use it. I mean, what's in a number for keeping track when you have to do stuff? Local time is hard enough and then comes daylight saving. Ever travelled by boat from Europe main land to the British isles? Ever had to calculate tides and/or water flow? Ever had an uncomfortable/critical email exchange between Europe and British isles (where the feet-dragger typically abuses any possible source of unclarity)?

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    1. Re:Hail UTC by oobayly · · Score: 1

      My car's clock live on UTC, mostly because I'm too lazy to adjust it. The problem is that when it's serviced the mechanic "helpfully" adjusts the time, which caused a fair amount of confusion the first time. Same goes for the clock in my flat - fortunately it doesn't get messed around by my garage.

      Funny you mention tides and ambiguity - what really winds me up is when things like tide tables are published with no mention of a time zone, Pop quiz hot shot, you draw 2.2m, do you assume you're at HW+3, or HW+4 and hope that there's a roller skate on the keel.

    2. Re:Hail UTC by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 1

      My car's clock live on UTC, mostly because I'm too lazy to adjust it.

      It's quirky. But could also be a symptom of a benign kind of OCD. Then again, perhaps I'm projecting my prospect of live on you. In which case, please ignore cheerfully.

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    3. Re:Hail UTC by geekoid · · Score: 1

      What tides are published without location?

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    4. Re:Hail UTC by geekoid · · Score: 1

      err. tide tables.

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    5. Re:Hail UTC by Retron · · Score: 1

      Same goes for the clock in my fla.

      I'm in the UK and I keep my PCs on GMT (or UTC) all year round - I can't see any point in fooling yourself that it's an hour later than it really is. I adjust times on the fly for work and social purposes. One of my PCs runs a weather station and if that automatically changed time then I'd end up with duplicate or lost observations - not good.

      This far north you're always going to have a lack of daylight in winter and too much of it in summer, tinkering with clocks won't change that (in London daylight ranges from just under 8 hours in late December to just over 16 hours in late June, but even at midnight GMT at this time of year there's a faint glow on the northern horizon on a clear night).

      Side note: I always used to suffer from a lack of sleep in the summer. Once I stuck to UTC it stopped all that and I now sleep soundly year-round. Of course, as far as everyone else is concerned I'm just going to bed an hour later and getting up an hour later in summer...

    6. Re:Hail UTC by oobayly · · Score: 2

      The problem is that tide tables in the UK are [as a rule] published with times explicitly in UTC. However, tides are occasionally published on the sailing instructions (regatta race information) without any mention of timezone, so do you assume that they're using local time (most likely), or UTC. It's easy to check, but it annoys me when it's done by a big event organiser such as Cowes Week - three letters are all you need to make everything completely unambiguous.

  20. Russian lawmakers have too much idle time by avgapon · · Score: 2

    Lacy underwear is banned. http://edition.cnn.com/2014/02... You may laugh at a regulation like this, but it went into effect yesterday.

  21. In other news, 1 Duma member arrested by police. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Suspected of anti-government activities.

  22. Brilliant... by Thomasje · · Score: 1

    The State Duma, the lower house of parliament, voted 442-1 on Tuesday to return to standard time this autumn and stay there all year.

    Great move! And I guess that means it will take another three years before it sinks in that DST does still make sense in summer, when instead of being woken up by daylight two or three hours before the workday begins, you can have that extra summer daylight at the end of the day, when you can actually enjoy it in peace.

    1. Re:Brilliant... by Aqualung812 · · Score: 1

      Not all of us like the sun still being up past 9pm. Some of us hate hearing lawnmowers and having the sun shine in when we're trying to put our kids to bed. Some of us want to look at the stars with our children, but can no longer do it.

      If we're basing the clock off the sun, then adjust to local time and leave it alone.
      If we're not basing the clock off the sun, we all should use UTC.

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  23. It's a distraction! by Flammon · · Score: 5, Informative

    The mainstream media is distracting you from what's really going on is Russia.

    Anyhow, before condemning their new laws, have a look that what the FCC says.

    Obscene Broadcasts Are Prohibited at All Times

    Obscene material is not protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution and cannot be broadcast at any time. The Supreme Court has established that, to be obscene, material must meet a three-pronged test:

    • An average person, applying contemporary community standards, must find that the material, as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest;
    • The material must depict or describe, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by applicable law; and
    • The material, taken as a whole, must lack serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value.

    http://www.fcc.gov/guides/obsc...

    1. Re:It's a distraction! by geekoid · · Score: 1

      All you have showed us is that you can't think very deeply. You realize the law the FCC upholds is designed to change with the culture?
      Hannibal is broadcast TV.

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    2. Re:It's a distraction! by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      So you quote the FCC saying "The material, taken as a whole, must lack serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value." And Russia specifically bans swearing in works of literary and artistic value. And you can't find the difference?

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  24. 442-1? by jbmartin6 · · Score: 3, Funny

    In other news, the one holdout was also revealed to be the one dentist who didn't recommend sugarless gum (for patients who chew gum).

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  25. Dear citizen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please remember to take part in your full daily 2 minutes of hate. If you don't you may feel the need to enter your local reprogaming center at GITMO to appreciate the benefits.

    Please remember that we are at war with Eastasia. We have always been a war with Eastasia.

    Your caring Big Brother

  26. Any effect on energy consumption? by Wootery · · Score: 1

    The 2005 changes to daylight saving time policy in the USA had a small effect on energy-consumption. Presumably there will be some effect in Russia, too.

  27. It's from Russia? It's SHIT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funny how everybody suddenly loves DST now that Russia is abandoning it completely.

  28. Have cake, eat cake by Freultwah · · Score: 1

    So from now on they’ll have the luxury of seeing a glimpse of the sun when they drive to work, yet they’ll have to resort to pitch black darkness when they get back. In summer, the sun will rise at 4 in the morning and it will be dark before nine in the evening. It won’t be long till there is a popular backlash against it – people will demand their DST back because they want their beauty sleep unimpeded by the overly early sunrise, and they want their evenings to be light longer.

    At least that’s precisely what happened in my country when the government abolished DST for a couple of years. Plus there were ramifications regarding time differences with adjacent countries that had previously been in the same timezone. All in all, the experience that looked nice on paper (and I was initially for it) turned out horribly wrong. Even DST all year round (in effect moving the timezone one zone eastwards) is a saner approach, as long as humans are involved.

    1. Re:Have cake, eat cake by Freultwah · · Score: 1

      Experiment, not experience. Pointy hat to...

  29. In Soviet Russia... by the+person+standing · · Score: 1

    time moves YOU. Oh, wait...

  30. Putin contiues by geekoid · · Score: 0

    to build his theocracy.

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  31. Real world problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We don't know how to solve the real world problems, but we must appear to be doing something to earn our keep, so... let's fuck up a few more things.

  32. A ban on swearing in books, plays, and films? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If i can't smoke and swear i'm f*cked - Ricky