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Alleged 'Bigfoot' DNA Samples Sequenced, Turn Out To Be Horses, Dogs, and Bears
sciencehabit writes: In North America, they're called Bigfoot or Sasquatch. In the Himalayan foothills, they're known as yeti or abominable snowmen. And Russians call them Almasty. But in the scientific laboratory, these elusive, hairy, humanoid creatures are nothing more than bears, horses, and dogs. That's the conclusion of a new study—the first peer-reviewed, genetic survey of biological samples claimed to be from the shadowy beasts. To identify the evolutionary source of each sample, the team determined the sequence of a gene—found inside the mitochondria of cells—that encodes the 12S RNA, which is often used for species identification. Unlike standard DNA, mitochondrial genes are passed only from mother to offspring.
Seven of the samples didn’t yield enough DNA for identification. Of the 30 that were sequenced, all matched the exact 12S RNA sequences for known species, the team reports online today in the Proceedings of the Royal Society B. Ten hairs belonged to various bear species; four were from horses; four were from wolves or dogs; one was a perfect match to a human hair; and the others came from cows, raccoons, deer, and even a porcupine. Two samples, from India and Bhutan, matched polar bear 12S RNA—a surprising finding that Sykes is following up on to determine whether some Himalayan bears are hybrid species with polar bears.
Seven of the samples didn’t yield enough DNA for identification. Of the 30 that were sequenced, all matched the exact 12S RNA sequences for known species, the team reports online today in the Proceedings of the Royal Society B. Ten hairs belonged to various bear species; four were from horses; four were from wolves or dogs; one was a perfect match to a human hair; and the others came from cows, raccoons, deer, and even a porcupine. Two samples, from India and Bhutan, matched polar bear 12S RNA—a surprising finding that Sykes is following up on to determine whether some Himalayan bears are hybrid species with polar bears.
That is what Sasquatch wants you to believe by placing DNA from other sources!!!!
Now excuse me, I see I need to go out and spay those nasty chemtrails again. ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?... )
From making more BS shows about something that doesn't exist, and people selling books on fabricated facts.
UFOs, Bigfoot, Ghosts!
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You would think the modern age of cameras in everyone's phones would produce evidence-a-plenty of these kinds of things.
But reality is far less interesting than we want it to be
No magic, no supernatural stuff --- and sadly no bigfoots or aliens that bother to come here and snatch cows.
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Well, Russians are calling it the Snow Man. Almasty is what it's called in Caucasus - Chechnya and so on. Just saying.
The logical explanation is that Bigfoot has no mitochondria, and that the results obtained are from contamination. Scientists really shouldn't bring their pet polar bears to the lab.
Wow Americans really are uneducated and will believe in all sorts of garbage. From this, to paranormal crap, to religion, to pseudoscience, to debunked science like autism being caused by vaccines, etc.
Yes but not that Global Warming fiction!
When the foot seeks the place of the head, the line is crossed. Know your place. Keep your place. Be a shoe.
Oh my!
(now questioned)
I've believe something like the big foot or more importantly the abominable snow man for many years now.
Due to Uruguayan Air Force Flight 571, also known as the Andes flight disaster, in South America, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1... this was a rugby team that crashed and survived close to two months, on a snow whipped mountain top.
The big deal about this crash is they had to eat the dead to live. The book (which I read) mentions two large "ape like creatures were that were "busy" in the route they were taking to get down so they diverted. They tried to wait them out but grew tired of waiting so circled around them. It sounded like they ("apes") were waiting for the survivor out of curiosity.
They might of of been called abominable snow men in the book but there was no real clue what they were other than very large, ape looking beings (given bears they could of been).
Sasquatch may not be true; but there is still a dinosaur in a loch in Scotland.
It wasn't ManBearPig it was ManBearHorseDog! Quickly someone let Al Gore know!
Om, nomnomnom...
I'm guessing you've never been to EU, Russia, Africa or Asia. Paranormal crap is even bigger business in Asia and Africa than it is in the US, pseudoscience outshines the US in many Asian nations, and autism by vaccines is pretty much equal universally across this rock(I take this as a fair point that no matter how smart someone claims to be, stupidity is a universal trait). I'm surprised that you didn't get in with "fattest nation" but then you'd be talking about Mexico.
Om, nomnomnom...
Chupacabra isn't included.
Citation needed. There are people here (in Europe) who object to vaccines out of religious convictions, but they are a tiny minority, comparable to people who refuse blood transfusions out of religious conviction (though they are not Jehovah's Witnesses).
foot... that's how elusive they're!!
Channel 4 put out a three-part documentary series about this research last year, called Bigfoot Files. Depending on the episode you got a mixture of local legends, interviews with bigfoot chasers, and of course the search for and testing of the putative hominid remains. The article mentions that one of the samples tested as human; there's a rather heartbreaking local tale behind that. Very nicely done and desensationalised.
No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
This is just an anecdote, but anyway. When we had our first child, I was in serveral lectures about child upbringing and first aid and similar. One was in Frankfurt(Main), Germany, by a physician who strongly opposed vaccination and had lots of graphs and pictures to support his stance. He didn't mention the vaccination-autism-connection, because that seems to never have caused the big craze in Germany as in the U.S. and U.K.. But the people there didn't seem to be of the religious type (Religion isn't that big in Germany anyway, especially not in large urban regions), but more of the wealthy non-conformist affiliation.
so one matched DNA of a human yet they state still no matches.... when do we have DNA of a Sasquatch anyways?
They have nothing to compare and still could be human with over jealous hair genetics.
It's human on its father's side.
Even here, they've managed to mix in some horse!
First it's 'DNA Samples', then next it clarifies and says this is RNA, so we're actually only getting a view of what the mother was (the mother of bigfoot may apparently be human, or a horse, or a dog, or a bear). Subsequent references discuss 'DNA' and 'RNA' interchangeably like it means something. Seriously, how did this get past an editor?
Bigfoot has shape shifting abilities. That would explain why there is so little evidence of his existence. A shape shifting big foot turns the big foot is a robot theory on its ear.
Seriously, we have never found any corpses from this beast and with the amount that man has spread out, I am 100% certain we would have found the beast by now.
No matter where you go, there you are.
There's no need to repeat yourself.
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Two samples, from India and Bhutan, matched polar bear 12S RNA—a surprising finding that Sykes is following up on to determine whether some Himalayan bears are hybrid species with polar bears.
While it may look like a waste of time searching for bigfoot, something unexpected and interesting was found.
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So bigfoot turns out to be manbearpig. Didn't see that coming.
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Some have connected that creature to the closing of several lanes of traffic on a bridge.
The original headline was Alleged 'Bigfoot' DNA Samples Sequenced, Turn Out To Be Horses, Dogs, and Bears, Oh my!
What more proof do you need?
AGW is Psuedo Science.. Every major prediction in the last 20 years has been completely falsified, yet plenty of people cling to it like a bible or a gun or something.
We should be many Degrees warmer and the Ice Sheets should be gone already, and flooding of Florida should nearly be complete. Don't forget about the Polar Bears Drowning ....
I look and see Piltdown Man all over again. "scientific consensus" means nothing, and isn't science.
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In 2012, researchers at the University of Oxford in the United Kingdom and the Museum of Zoology in Lausanne, Switzerland, put out a call for hair samples thought to be from anomalous primates
Correct me if I'm wrong, after all I'm only an American, but those places aren't in America?
our new horsedogbear overlords.
The mystery continues.
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The anti-vaccine crazies have been around for decades. Well before wakefield committed fraud and illegal experimentation on children.
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The general description of Bigfoot matches a large bear standing upright. Which they can do. Horses and Dogs are far less believable to be mistaken for Bigfoot, but possible depending on where they were found. A large wolf in the Himalayas might be when visibility is low. But I can't see how someone could mistake a Horse as Bigfoot. Even in extreme conditions.
Wow, I hope you don't have children.
"We should be many Degrees warmer"
lie.
"the Ice Sheets should be gone already"
lie.
" and flooding of Florida should nearly be complete. " ...."
lie.
" Don't forget about the Polar Bears Drowning
it's happening, although some of mating with brown bears and creating a new species.
"I look and see Piltdown Man all over again. "
This you are clueless. Their was NEVER scientific consensus on piltdown man, and when Scientist looked at it they declared it a fraud.
Let me explain this to you..well not to you becasue clearly you are an idiot who could change his narrative if he tried, but to the people who ahd the misfortune of reading your drivel.
Everything listed below has falsifiable tests, and in fact any of it can be tested by anmyon with an 8th grade understanding of sciecne...so not you.
1) Visible light hits the earth
2) When Visible light hits the earth IR is generated.
3) Visible light pass through CO2
4) Man spews giga-tonnes more CO2 then can be absorbed back into the system. This is becasue we dig up stored CO2 and release it in the air.
5) CO2 absorbs energy from IR.
SO more CO2 in the air, more energy it absorbs. Energy(heat) continues to rise.
That is AGW.
So, please come up with a scientific test that disproves any of those points. I look forward to you nobel prize winning paper.
Or, you need to explain what trapping more and more energy doesn't impact the climate.
If you can' do either of those, you have two choice: Continue spouting off nonsense like an idiot, or change you narrative to accept proven scientific facts.
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The fallacy there is that belief in those thing reflect intelligence or education. UP until a masters degree, the more educated soneon is the more easily they believe in the crap.
It's not education per se, it's the lack of critical thinking skills.
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Legendary alpinist Reinhold Messner once wrote a book about his encounters with suspected Yetis in the Himalaya. He concluded that they were bears, a variant of Ursus Arctos, the same species as polar bears.
Have you read my blog lately?
Not even
+1 Scary Ignorant.
You all think this debunks the idea of bigfoot but what this does is provide evidence that bigfoot does in fact exist and is a hybrid creature from the mating of horse, bears, dogs, racoons, etc.
So there!
You misspelled "yet".
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
Horses, dogs, and bears; oh my!
Table-ized A.I.
All this study shows is that some samples alleged to be sasquatch were not. There are many other samples of "unknown" DNA, which also proves nothing, since there is no control sample. This study has no bearing on whether sasquatch exists or not. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
In fact, there are thousands of eyewitness reports by individuals and groups, including park rangers, law enforcement, and military, hundreds of good pictures, and dozens of good videos of a large bipedal creature in the remote forests of America and Canada. This creature fits the physical and behavioral criteria for a primate, probably a relic population of Gigantopithicus. You can see some of this evidence at BFRO.net and other sites. Remember, the lowland gorilla was considered a myth just over 100 years ago.
cousin to the infamous man-bear-pig
... just how deep the conspiracy goes!
.. (Religion isn't that big in Germany anyway,...
Ya, I bet it's hard to be religious in a country that has in most recent history tried to eradicate a religious population. You just don't know when your religion is going to be next...
Be seeing you...
An article talked about over the years people make claims they've done some incredible feats mostly unintended. Like someone going too fast on a skateboard off a ledge, board separates from rider, board bounces off a wall, lands on hand railing at same time rider lands on board, which then by chance the angle was just right the rider was able to smoothly land on clear surface and come to a controlled stop. Yeah right, oh wait! A friend got it on the phone and it's gone viral on FB!
OK, so where's the space aliens, Bigfoot, and Nessie?
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sorry for OT but I could not pass this one up. You can here NORAD air defense command center, their callword is Bigfoot, on these frequencies, http://home.comcast.net/~kilow...
I actually have heard Bigfoot, NORAD's ATC base giving vectors for what I believe was a KC135, I scan the freq regularly. Not much traffic but occasionally hear something.
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anyone know if this study included any of Melba Ketchum's samples?
Be nice to have independent scientific confirmation or rebuttal of her claims. Otherwise this study will only add to the circus.
Cereal.
The original study linking vaccination to autism was from the UK. The press has really overstated the anti-vaxer thing in the US. I don't remember the exact statistic, but close to 99% of American children are vaccinated (at least partially). Most of the ones who aren't are clustered in immigrant communities, that's why we see the outbreaks. It poses no threat to the general population.
Ya, I bet it's hard to be religious in a country that has in most recent history tried to eradicate a religious population. You just don't know when your religion is going to be next...
Of course, it's equally likely that the next scapegoat for all society's ills will be atheists and secularists -- moral decay leading to the breakdown of the family, and messing up the financial markets with their joint loans hitting divorce; sex outside marriage leading to single-parent families, hence benefit claims; unmarried co-habiting couples pushing up the price of housing...
Not that I believe any of this -- the above is just a portfolio piece that I can use in my job application when the next great dictator wants a minister for propaganda. :-)
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I guess he works fast.
.. (Religion isn't that big in Germany anyway,...
Ya, I bet it's hard to be religious in a country that has in most recent history tried to eradicate a religious population. You just don't know when your religion is going to be next...
No. Nobody quits religion because of this. For most non-religious this event is also in a distant past. People are non-religious because the idea doesn't sell anymore. Some parents get desperate trying to shield their kids from the rest, but they are hard pressed to explain why they shouldn't play with the others. Church scandals and non-religious charities also bring the realization that if you want to be a moral person you can be it without enrolling in a church.
In 2012, researchers at the University of Oxford in the United Kingdom and the Museum of Zoology in Lausanne, Switzerland, put out a call for hair samples thought to be from anomalous primates
Correct me if I'm wrong, after all I'm only an American, but those places aren't in America?
Did they call for the hairs because they believed they would be genuine bigfoots, or to prove that they weren't...?
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The review was reviewed by a crack team of scientists at the University of Halabalaga. The reason for the findings are that Yeti/Bigfoot RNA is made up of horse, bear, porcupine, wolves and dogs, is the Yeti/Bigfoot are a cross between horse, bear, porcupine, wolves and dogs. I'd like to thank the academics and researchers at the University for their cracker jack work, and wish them well in the continued research and pursuit of these elusive creatures.
Don't forget about the Polar Bears Drowning ....
If the polar bears aren't having trouble in the North Pole, why have they all started moving to Tibet to f*ck the yetis?
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The original study linking vaccination to autism was from the UK. The press has really overstated the anti-vaxer thing in the US. I don't remember the exact statistic, but close to 99% of American children are vaccinated (at least partially). Most of the ones who aren't are clustered in immigrant communities, that's why we see the outbreaks. It poses no threat to the general population.
It poses a threat because these terrible ideas of the anti-vaxers get picked up by legitimate sources sometimes. And there are people who can't tell the difference between legitimate science and junk science. Ideas can spread more virulently and rapidly than real diseases. The antivax ideas are a threat, even if the effects of their actions aren't causing significant problems at this moment.
Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress at this period in history.
Having visited around in various parts of Europe, I think what's going on in parochialism and insularity. That is, there is a LOT of religion in Germany, however it's not seen if you're never look outside your social circles or regions. That is, the people in cities tend to think that the entire country has the same social atmosphere. But get outside into villages and smaller towns and the feeling is much different. Everywhere you look there are churches, which is not a surprise since many are a thousand years old, but also those churches are still in use. Even inside the cities, show up on Sunday morning and you'll see a stream of people still showing up and entering the cathedrals.
Germany actually feels more religious than some of it's neighbors (in the west anyway, not sure what former East Germany is like).
I think people are the same almost everywhere. People like to look at the US as the home of the irrational people, but in reality if you compare people you will see the full spectrum represented everywhere. It's just that some societies are tilted slightly one way and some are tilted slightly the other way.
For example, everyone just assumes that California is a radically liberal liberal state, full of hippies, druggies, peaceniks, etc. Like we're all one big Berkeley. But really California is very evenly divided politically, it just happens to leaning to the left a bit more than other states with a few more democrat votes in the capitol (though the governor's office swings between the parties very often). We probably have far more libertarians than we do socialists.
Similarly, I've seen far more overtly homophobic and racist speech in Europe than I've seen in America (after a few drinks at least).
Their ideas are wrong, but they're hardly a threat. Most people don't take them seriously, and only 80-95% (depending on the disease) of a population needs to be immunized to achieve herd immunity.
Their ideas are wrong, but they're hardly a threat. Most people don't take them seriously, and only 80-95% (depending on the disease) of a population needs to be immunized to achieve herd immunity.
I think you are grossly underestimating the ability of people to be complete morons. This link is a little dated, but in 1999, a poll showed that 18 percent of Americans think the Sun revolves around the Earth. In 2011, seven percent of people said they believe more than half of the federal government's budget goes to public broadcasting. Another four percent thought it was 31 to 50 percent of the budget. Is is easy to get 10-15% of the population to believe in absolute rubbish despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
The MMR vaccine has an effectiveness of only around 95%- meaning 5% of people do the right thing, get vaccinated, but could still get the disease. MMR is given at 12-15 months of age, so roughly 1.5% of the population who will get the vaccine hasn't gotten it yet. Some people (no idea what %) are very poor and never go to doctors, even if the vaccine is free. That 5-20% "margin" of herd immunity starts to look awfully shaky if you consider all the people who already can't or don't get a vaccine.
Finally, the anti-vaxxers tend to live in pockets of people who believe as they do. This means the disease can get a foothold in those neighborhoods, and survive. There is a very real risk that some diseases could thrive long enough to mutate enough so that the vaccine doesn't work anymore.
Even if this doesn't become a "big" problem, the consequences can be very damaging on an individual basis. My daughter is only 6 months old. She hasn't gotten many vaccinations yet because she is just too young. If some clown passes on the measles to her, her death is a very real possibility. Can you justify a death like that as not being "a serious threat"? The stakes too high to ignore these idiots.
Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress at this period in history.
Why is that, Mr Piltdown Man? Because I don't jump on the Piltdown Man psuedoscience "conclusive proof" that is manufactured? Because I actually respect the scientific method? If all the predictions made fail, what does that mean, scientifically? FYI, the Antarctic Ice Sheet is growing and is largest it has been in a long time. How does that fit the "Global Warming" predictions of it shrinking to non-existence by 2020 made a dozen or more years ago?
Or do you believe the "Ice sheet shrinks=global warming proof" while also believing "ice sheet grows=global warming" at the same time?
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