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Police Using Dogs To Sniff Out Computer Memory

First time accepted submitter FriendlySolipsist points out a story about Rhode Island Police using a dog to find hidden hard drives. The recent arrival of golden Labrador Thoreau makes Rhode Island the second state in the nation to have a police dog trained to sniff out hard drives, thumb drives and other technological gadgets that could contain child pornography. Thoreau received 22 weeks of training in how to detect devices in exchange for food at the Connecticut State Police Training Academy. Given to the state police by the Connecticut State Police, the dog assisted in its first search warrant in June pinpointing a thumb drive containing child pornography hidden four layers deep in a tin box inside a metal cabinet. That discovery led the police to secure an arrest warrant, Yelle says. “If it has a memory card, he’ll sniff it out,” Detective Adam Houston, Thoreau’s handler, says.

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  1. Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that?

    hidden four layers deep why that for a USB stick? doing that will make them want to look at the data.

    Just shipping them unhidden is more likely to just pass though

    1. Re:Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that?

      Uh, yeah. Most judges rubber-stamp search warrants.

      Also, does concealing a memory device now automatically imply child porn?

      The cops get bolder every year, and people just go along.

      Cop: "I asked him for his ID, and he went fishing in a pocket. IT COULD HAVE BEEN A GUN OR KNIFE, SO I SHOT HIM".

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    2. Re:Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Does bubble wrap count as concealing now?

      If so how can you safely ship stuff like HDD's with USPS, UPS, FEDEX with out damage?

    3. Re:Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by kesuki · · Score: 4, Insightful

      i guess if dogs can smell memory sneakernets into dictatorships to provide outside information is doomed. i wonder can they smell a blu-ray too? cause 25 GB is a lot of storage...

    4. Re:Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by jonwil · · Score: 2

      Per TFA they generally have evidence that someone connected to the house they want a search warrant on is connected with criminal activity. And asking for a search warrant for all the data storage devices present at the house seems perfectly valid to me.

    5. Re:Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by wisnoskij · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hell I can smell a bluray. Optical storage has a far bigger and more unique odor than a usb stick.

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    6. Re:Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The dog is not being used to establish probable cause, it is being used to aid in the execution of a search warrant where probable cause has already been established.

    7. Re:Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >where probable cause has already been established.

      Or where a suitably incriminating memory stick has been prepared just in case there isn't one inside the metal box

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    8. Re:Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Funny

      If so how can you safely ship stuff like HDD's with USPS, UPS, FEDEX with out damage?

      Include a few dried habanero peppers in the package.

    9. Re:Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yeah that's my real worry about all this child porn stuff - "everyone" turns their brains off and starts getting their pitchforks ready to lynch you.

      Guess how convenient this is if the powers that be want to get rid of inconvenient you...

      And for what? Even if some pervert watches child porn doesn't make him a rapist or molester any more than you wanking off to "normal porn"[1] makes you a rapist or molester. If you say he's supporting child porn, then you should follow the money and jail those responsible for creating it. If he's torrenting it, then using the **AA's logic, he's killing the child porn industry ;).

      [1] in some countries "normal porn" is illegal. Go figure.

    10. Re:Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      A search cannot be legally executed unless there is probable cause established before hand.

      1. That's naive. It's quite common to conduct a search and then dream up the probable cause later.
      2. Establishing probable cause is easier than most people think.
      3. They don't need probable cause to search when crossing the border of the country.
      4. Or when you're within an area referred to as a 'buffer zone' or 'national security corridor', which extends something like 100 miles from the international border itself, and can go even further in some cases.

    11. Re:Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by SeaFox · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Also, does concealing a memory device now automatically imply child porn?

      Where have you been the last ten years? Trying to conceal anything at all from a law enforcement officer implies you're up to something. Only criminals insist on privacy now, citizen!

    12. Re:Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by davester666 · · Score: 2

      Either child porn or you are part of a terrorist cell.

      Because you have something to hide, you are obviously guilty of something.

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    13. Re:Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by meerling · · Score: 5, Funny

      Since the dog can't smell memory, it must have been trained to smell something about the electronic components. That's bound to trigger a LOT of false positives in the modern world.

      This might be a fun thing to do. Get a lot of old flash drives, sd cards, and the like, the old super cheap ones of course, and stick them everywhere. Under the carpet, taped to the bottom of the drawers, in the hem of the curtain, etc. After 30 or 40 of them, somebody is going to get sick of playing that game, and it might be the dog, If you're really mean, store a picture of a treasure map on each one, and maybe some lists of random hexadecimal numbers.

      It'll drive them nuts. To really get the point across when they ask, just tell them the truth, that it's a joke, there's absolutely nothing of value stored on them, and yes, you want them back and undamaged. :P

    14. Re:Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by meerling · · Score: 2

      It's already known, and has been for decades now, there are lazy irresponsible & incompetent judges that keep pre-signed blank warrants in their desk for the cops to grab without bugging them.

    15. Re:Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Informative

      Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? hidden four layers deep why that for a USB stick? doing that will make them want to look at the data. Just shipping them unhidden is more likely to just pass though

      No judge will go on that......in this case, the police had been following the guy compiling evidence for seven months before getting a warrant. The guy was abusing a 7 year old girl and taking pictures of her. They brought the dog in after the search warrant was obtained, because a lot of times child-molesters hide the pictures on small SD cards in ceiling tiles or something. At least read the article before getting outraged. Even if it's not as fun.

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    16. Re:Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by tehlinux · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe you can help me find my copy of Step Brothers.

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    17. Re:Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Since the dog can't smell memory, it must have been trained to smell something about the electronic components. That's bound to trigger a LOT of false positives in the modern world.

      Officer: "May I see your driver's license and registration?"
      Driver: "Yes, here it is."
      Officer: "I noticed that your middle interior brake light is out and a little bit back you swerved."
      Driver: "Yes, I know the light is out, I just haven't had the time and money to get it fixed. And I swerved because a saw a small rabbit hop toward the road on the other side of a tree."
      Police Dog: "Bark! Bark! Bark bark! Bark!"
      Officer: "Alright, so have you done any drugs?"
      Driver: "No."
      Officer: "Do you have any drugs in the car?"
      Driver: "No, I told you I don't do any drugs."
      Officer: "Well my dog smells something suspecious, so I have the probable cause required by law to search your car."
      *officer opens glove compartment; dog gets excited"
      Officer: [saying quietly under his breath:] "Shit, it's just a fuse box."
      Officer: "Looks [smells?] like you've got a burnt fuse there, buddy. You might want to get that fixed."
      Driver: "I know. It's been blown for about two weeks. My interior lighting doesn't work."
      Officer: [silently thinking to himself:] "I guess I'm going to have to find some other way to nab this guy or work on finding someone else to nail. I need to meet my quota for this month."

      For some reason, I *totally* imagine that or a similar situation occuring, and probably more than a few times in the future...

    18. Re:Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      3. They don't need probable cause to search when crossing the border of the country.
      4. Or when you're within an area referred to as a 'buffer zone' or 'national security corridor', which extends something like 100 miles from the international border itself, and can go even further in some cases.
      Dont forget what is found during a traffic stop in some areas of some states that then leads to civil forfeiture.
      ie your cash is removed and the hidden digital storage device is also examined.

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    19. Re:Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by hooiberg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Child pornography is the Digital Godwin. So if budget has to be made available, and ridicule from the thinking part of the world ensured, this is a valid argument.

    20. Re:Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah that's my real worry about all this child porn stuff - "everyone" turns their brains off and starts getting their pitchforks ready to lynch you.
      Guess how convenient this is if the powers that be want to get rid of inconvenient you...

      The NSA has a huge stash of child porn just for this purpose...

    21. Re:Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by dcollins117 · · Score: 2

      Aren't there like three actual sins against humanity, all of them including domination of the weak or innocent? .... is there a third?

      Sure, the abuse of government warrantless searches in spite of that being directly prohibited by the Fourth Amendment. Let's call that number three and for a fourth let's take the paramititarized police forces using extrajudicial methods to suppress dissent from ordinary American citizens.

    22. Re:Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Imagine, if you will, people filming murders and then trading those videos around.

      Then arrest the murderers. This is not hard. Stop trying to push draconian laws and censorship on everyone else.

      I think the problem is that the video drives people to create more. Making it illegal to possess them might cut down on the child abuse happening. If that's not good enough, then consider it a form of copyright infringement to possess said videos.

      Not only do you have no good scientific proof that this is true, but even if it were true, censorship is 100% intolerable even if it did cut down on crimes.

      As for copyright, that needs to be gotten rid of as well.

    23. Re:Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by MitchDev · · Score: 2

      The future is now....

    24. Re:Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by Chrisq · · Score: 2

      Also, does concealing a memory device now automatically imply child porn?

      No it could be something really serious like copyright infringement

    25. Re:Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by jeIIomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Imagine if you were kidnapped, raped, while being videotaped. Should said video be allowed to circulate all in the name of anti-censorship?

      Absolutely.

      While I feel copyright reform needs to be dealt with, I don't believe it should be gotten rid of.

      The problem is, there is no valid scientific proof that it's even effective to begin with. Furthermore, it violates free speech rights (to enforce it, censorship is often required) and private property rights (Can't have people sending certain non-private data using their own equipment!). I would oppose it outright solely because of the latter two reasons combined.

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    26. Re:Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by blueg3 · · Score: 2

      The dog is owned by the Rhode Island State Police, who don't do border searched. The regular police still need search warrants in the "buffer zone".

    27. Re: Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by Immerman · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually diddling kids has been standard practice in many cultures until fairly recently - it's only in the last few centuries that it's begun getting a bad name in the West. Hell - take the word "erotic", derived from the Greek "eros" - an emotion that was accepted to only be possible within the confines of a relationship between an adult man and a young boy - something that was openly embraced at the time.

      Moral of the story: don't assume that your modern moral compass is of any use in determining historical reality.

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    28. Re:Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by Ozymandias_KoK · · Score: 2

      Given how bad that movie stunk, if it's still around, it should be trivial to find.

    29. Re: Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by operagost · · Score: 2

      The U.S. Constitution is in the public domain. And chances are, the police haven't read it before.

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    30. Re:Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by GrumpySteen · · Score: 2

      The article is written in a way that makes it sound like they might be talking about one case, but there are two separate cases. The case you referenced, where they compiled evidence for seven months, was in Warwick, RI. The case the person you responded to referenced, with the USB stick hidden in a tin in a metal cabinet, was in Connecticut.

      Chances are that the Connecticut case was similarly investigated before a warrant was issued and the USB stick found, but the article doesn't give any details on the case.

    31. Re:Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by sumdumass · · Score: 2

      Yes they do. And i have seen the cops training snd talking about it first hand.

      My brother got a german shepard pup and took him to be trained. I picked them up once when his car was broke down. The cops use the same training facility to recertify their dogs so i figured i would watch a bit. I overheard one officer telling another that each dog will use one of three different cues when they want them to go off. He said they use three different ones to keep it simple yet different enough that its hard to tell when they are being directed to go off. They then joked around about how easy it was tp search anyone and blame it on a stupid dog. They also knew i was there and didn't bother trying to conceal this discusion or the methods.

      I mentioned something to my brother about it and he said it is common to hear that crap there. He said if you say anything about it, the cops will pull you over and make up reasons and you wont be able to train your dog there anymore. Evidently, this trainer was that good that no one would say anything.

    32. Re:Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by tompaulco · · Score: 2

      On a serious note, that could actually be illegal in some places.

      Absolutely it is. Depictions of fictional characters involved in a a fictional molestation of a fictional victim of unknown age (because it is fiction) but which, if translated into the real world, may have been an underage individual, is absolutely illegal in many jurisdictions.
      It is also illegal in some jurisdictions to possess video in which a person who IS of legal age engages in sex while dressed up to appear to be someone not of legal age. It would also be illegal to film that video in those jurisdictions as well, and probably also illegal even if not filmed to have your significant other dress up as a teenage schoolgirl/boy.

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    33. Re:Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by aquabat · · Score: 3, Funny

      Bullshit. Swordfighting hasn't been common in thefts for centuries. I don't even think you can legally walk around with a real sword any more.

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    34. Re: Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by Cito · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Those that use Leviticus are idiots as crazy as Jew and Muslim fundamentals

      Leviticus is the entire basis of sharia law in Islam exact book is used and mosaic law in Torah

      Jesus was specifically asked in new testament about the old law of moses, Jesus replied that he was the new law, inferring that the old ways were over and antiquated, he simplified the entire belief. Instead of all the stupid rules Jesus says there is just one, "god sent his only son, so that anyone believeth in him shall have everlasting life"
      No its/buts/addendum

      So crazy Christians saying otherwise are as insane as fundamental Muslims and Jews.

      Now I'm not claiming or saying what to believe, but fundamental Christians who use old testament are wrong/jehova witness/Mormon or some other cult

    35. Re:Any Memory?? what judge will go on just that? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Also, does concealing a memory device now automatically imply child porn?

      This is a fine argument for universal use of full-disk encryption.

      And I sincerely hope that real child pornographers get it wrong.

      Even so, let's drop political correctness and tell it like it is: our culture embraced "innocent until proven guilty" and "freedom from unreasonable search and seizure" for very good reasons. While we can all agree that harming children is abhorrent, removing those rights and freedoms from society at large does far more harm, to more people, and is the greater evil.

  2. Sooo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can he packet sniff?

    1. Re:Sooo by qbast · · Score: 2

      Fornicating underage squirrels? Of course dog would recognize it.

  3. Amazoing by governorx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I had no idea the contents of a physical drive changed its smell!

    This is very intriguing!

    1. Re:Amazoing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's true. As soon as my computer downloaded this, I could smell the bullshit.

    2. Re:Amazoing by amiga3D · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I also smell the bullshit. I remember watching a USAF security specialist with a "drug" dog. He walked down the bay with the dog trotting beside him, stopped at a door and bounce a rubber ball off the door. The dog began to bark and scratch at the door. The CQ opened the door and they searched the lockers finding a bag of pot. Imagine that. That's when I realised that someone narced and the dog was for looks so no one would suspect.

    3. Re:Amazoing by TarPitt · · Score: 2

      A dog's sense of smell is amazing. I bet a dog could tell if a search warrant is valid or not by smell alone. Perhaps the ACLU should train some of those dogs, to find invalid search warrants and prevent violations of the 4th amendment.

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    4. Re:Amazoing by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's called 'parallel construction' - the practice of fakeing a source in order to conceal the real source. It's used to protect informants by allowing for plausable deniability, giving the appearance that the police stumbled upon a crime by other means or sheer luck.

      It's still controversial because it can also be used to aid the police in using illegally gathered evidence while concealing that fact from a court.

    5. Re:Amazoing by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

      Lying to a court about evidence is controversial? You don't say?

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    6. Re:Amazoing by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's called 'parallel construction' - the practice of fakeing a source in order to conceal the real source. It's used to protect informants by allowing for plausable deniability, giving the appearance that the police stumbled upon a crime by other means or sheer luck.

      No, what GP described is NOT the potentially legal version of "parallel construction." Parallel construction, done properly, is supposed to involve the construction of a legitimate alternative chain of evidence, where the original chain of evidence came from a questionably legal information source (e.g. NSA wiretap, improper search) or a source that can't be exposed for some reason.

      The way this is supposed to work is that all the legally obtained evidence is given to a separate law enforcement person, who doesn't know the case or have the detailed evidence and who then investigates in a legal fashion. As long as there is no "fruit of the poisoned tree," the investigation can be legit. The recent controversy is often that in new cases, the NSA will convey an "anonymous tip" or something to law enforcement to search a particular place... but after that tip, the police are still expected to act legally.

      In GP's case, the officer presumably received a tip that that particular house had drugs. The dog was brought past to provide probable cause (in addition to the tip) for a search. However, in this case the dog didn't sense anything, so the officer chose to commit an overt illegal act and fabricate evidence for the probable cause.

      So, while "parallel construction" is on questionable legal ground in many cases, GP's description involves fabrication of evidence... which does not lead to parallel CONSTRUCTION, since no legitimate chain of evidence was legally constructed.

    7. Re:Amazoing by StikyPad · · Score: 2

      Actually, GP was correct, and you seem to be misinformed. The notion of parallel construction originated in protecting CIs, and has been used for that purpose for decades. Extending it to cover illegal NSA wiretaps was a more recent development.

  4. you need to be on the jury by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    you need to be on the jury.

    While child pornography is bad the lost of rights / junk science to by pass your rights is much worse

    1. Re:you need to be on the jury by rmdingler · · Score: 2
      Police K-9s are routinely used during roadside automobile stops to establish probable cause in cases where consent to search is not granted.

      It would be an incredible act of good faith to suppose that law enforcement would never use this technique outside of this narrow venue.

      Likening the use of storage devices to repositories of child porn is but a step away from condemning personal computers for the same principle. "You wouldn't mind us searching if you have nothing to hide, right?"

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    2. Re:you need to be on the jury by mysidia · · Score: 2

      Police K-9s are routinely used during roadside automobile stops to establish probable cause in cases where consent to search is not granted.

      Police K-9s who can sniff illegal substances. Silicon memory chips/processors are not an illegal substance.

    3. Re:you need to be on the jury by John.Banister · · Score: 2

      But, how can you tell which dog they're using?

    4. Re:you need to be on the jury by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not the dog that decides if the car contains drugs. It's the handler. If the handler wants to see a search carried out, the dog will find something suspicious.

    5. Re:you need to be on the jury by rahvin112 · · Score: 3, Informative

      And the supreme court ruled that even if there is evidence that the dog was broken or the handler was lying (a case where a dog supposedly indicated on the same guy twice and no drugs were found either time) as long as there is some test in the past that indicates that the dog works that there is no evidence of misconduct on the part of either the dog or handler.

  5. And what if your case for "probable cause" by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 2

    Your Honor, this person of interest may have hard drives or thumb drives, and these types of storage devices are commonly used to store CHILD PORNOGRAPHY OHHHH GOD THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!! WHY WONT YOU PROTECT THE BABY JESUS??????"

    Warrant granted -- get those scumbags. And I wont cry if they die before seeing a jail cell!

  6. A little behind the times by WWJohnBrowningDo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Typical government bureaucracy, relying on outdated technology.

    Nearly 10 years ago, top minds in the private industry already developed super dogs that not only detected DVDs but could also determine the legal status of said DVDs by smell alone.

    1. Re:A little behind the times by torsmo · · Score: 2
      From the article:

      . . . then-MPAA chairman and CEO Dan Glickman said . . . "the dogs are some of the greatest employees we have here at the MPAA"

      You know what, I totally believe that the guy was speaking the truth. I mean, the characteristics possessed by the average dog puts it fair and square above an MPAA employee.

  7. Before we go down the misinformation rabbit hole by Warhawke · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let's get this out of the way. Search tactics using dogs is always going to be prone to abuse. However, dogs have been sniffing out electronics for years now. Additionally, and this should be obvious, the dog isn't sniffing out hard drives that contain child pornography, it's merely sniffing out all hard drives. In this case, the dog was deployed as the result of a search warrant that undoubtedly allowed for the seizure of all electronic devices within the home. Use in this manner is much less controversial than using the dog to find the drive, thus establishing probable cause to bypass a warrant entirely.

  8. Re:The smell of YOU! by Aryden · · Score: 2

    If it is in your home, one would assume a great many things would smell like you, namely your clothes bed, couch, fridge, chairs, table, door handles, bathrooms, and any number of other things that would all register as false positives were that the case.

  9. There will be no changes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As the drugs war winds down... another war on freedom starts.

  10. Memory? by Arker · · Score: 2

    I am not surprised that the reporter is a technical illiterate who cant tell memory from storage, but surely the submitter or the editor one could show half a brain cell working and correct it?

    All the devices mentioned are storage, not "memory".

    Anyway, police dogs are a scam. Like Clever Hans, they are more attuned to their trainers emotions than s/he is, and can baffle and impress the unwary with seemingly impossible tricks as a result. Granting a warrant based on a dog alerting is effectively the same thing as granting it because a cop has a hunch.

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  11. Lots of false positives ... by PPH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... on the child porn. But it creates 'probable cause' to hold someone and go through the rest of their personal belongings, car, house, etc.

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    1. Re:Lots of false positives ... by runeghost · · Score: 2

      ... on the child porn. But it creates 'probable cause' to hold someone and go through the rest of their personal belongings, car, house, etc.

      And we have a winner! This is nothing more than a slightly more elaborate version of the plastic "magic wands" Iraqi security forces were (and probably still are) using to detect everything from explosives to drugs. The could be counting birds flying by or examining entrails: the point is to let them legally search (harass) citizens.

    2. Re:Lots of false positives ... by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      Yeah.......except that's not at all what it is. Read the article, the police had spent seven months compiling evidence on this guy, got a search warrant to search his house, and then used the dog as part of the search. Seriously, they actually are going after crime here. If you have a problem with that, something is wrong with you.

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  12. useless. by rogoshen1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One step closer to 'thoughtcrime' ;(

    Side note, there's a shortage of dogs capable of doing real work, like search and rescue. why waste good talent on this shit? I can't think of a reason this should ever be an issue.

    Is the end game going to be that whenever going through customs all storage will be scanned and stored "just in case"? :(

  13. This is so incredibly stupid. by AHuxley · · Score: 2

    That will be the new reality. Enter the country without any electronic equipment. Buy from a 2nd hand computer/recycling shop. Use new storage in computer at one secure location via a trusted VPN and no driving around with your cheap laptop. Return computer without storage when done. Exit.
    The big risk was having your laptop like device cloned at the border. Now just having a computer is part of a civil forfeiture risk.

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  14. great dogs by John+Da'+Baddest · · Score: 2

    Impressive how these dogs can detect "storage with child porn", as opposed to storage with business data. It would be interesting to try some stenography tests, to see if the dogs can sniff through that as well. Maybe the stored data has some karmatic "bits of intent" floating around that the dogs can detect, just like they can implicitly growl at burglars but not ordinary visitors.

  15. Re:right... by jeIIomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is the self-important nobodies like you that are special.

    In a country where most people support the TSA, the NSA's surveillance, free speech zones, protest permits, DUI checkpoints, copyrights, patents, stop-and-frisk, unrestricted border searches, constitution-free zones, mass public surveillance conducted by the government, anti-gun laws, plea bargains, or some form of warrantless wiretapping in general, it is not difficult to be "special"; you just have to oppose all of those things.

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  16. How do you defeat dogs? by swb · · Score: 4, Informative

    There was a Mythbusters where they tried to fool a drug dog. I only caught the tail end of it (no pun intended) and the only attempt I saw was the target item inside a suitcase with dirty diapers in a room full of suitcases. If I remember the wrap-up scene the dog always found the target.

    I'm curious what else they tried to trick the dogs with. The cynic in me believes the cops wouldn't have cooperated if they had actually come up with a technique that worked.

    I wonder if vacuum sealing works -- presuming of course you wash the exterior of the vacuum sealed container and possibly double-bagged it. I use a FoodSaver model for food items and since the sealed bag holds a vacuum, presumably there's no way for the odor to migrate out.

    1. Re:How do you defeat dogs? by disposable60 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's kinda remarkable how rarely Mythbusters bust a law-enforcement myth, or fail to bust an evasion myth.

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    2. Re:How do you defeat dogs? by Nonesuch · · Score: 2

      It's kinda remarkable how rarely Mythbusters bust a law-enforcement myth, or fail to bust an evasion myth.

      The Mythbusters do what they have to in order to keep access to the Alameda bomb range and other law enforcement resources, especially after their little cannonball incident.

  17. Re:right... by jeIIomizer · · Score: 2

    I have heard nobody actually applaud it other than the entities themselves and the people who profit from them.

    Nobody!? Wow. You haven't paid any sort of attention at all. You've never seen someone support copyrights or patents? How about DUI checkpoints? People ignore the fact that these things violate people's fundamental liberties and/or the constitution because they think it will keep them safe from something, as if that's a justification in a country that's supposed to be 'the land of the free.'

    So yeah, if you think that most people are not in support of any of that, I think you're absolutely incorrect.

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