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Fighting Invasive Fish With Forks and Knives

An anonymous reader writes NPR commentator Bonny Wolf has a unique solution to battle the threat of invasive fish species in our waterways. She proposes we fight them with a knife, fork, and a few lemon wedges. From the article: "Take the northern snakehead, which has made its way into tributaries of the Chesapeake Bay. It competes with native species for food, and then eats the native species, not to mention the odd frog or bird, with its mouthful of sharp teeth. It's been called "Fishzilla." It breeds fast, has no natural predators and can grow to be 4 feet long. The northern snakehead hangs out in grassy shallows, making it hard to catch. But a couple of years ago, Maryland started promoting the snakehead as an eating fish. Its harvest has increased from zero to 5,000 pounds a year."

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  1. What kind of fish? by statusbar · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think the fish accidentally a word there with its mouthful of teeth!

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    1. Re:What kind of fish? by istartedi · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Those are the fish that can move 1/4 mile across dry land to find new places to live. It probably crawled out of water and ate that word out of the summary.

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    2. Re:What kind of fish? by guises · · Score: 5, Funny

      Bizarrely, I am encouraged that so many posts are pointing out the missing name. "Wow," I'm saying to myself, "The first three posts are all by people who have read the summary and not just the title." A tiny victory for intelligent discourse.

      Maybe I'm setting the bar too low.

    3. Re:What kind of fish? by flyneye · · Score: 5, Funny

      We have an overabundance of carp here. Normally eating carp seems to be an ethnic thing around here.Even then, only an older generation bothers with it. I would like the world to come and rid the Mid U.S. of carp, so I have included the only recipe I know for carp.
              1 pressure cooker
                1 5-lb. rock
                1 carp
                Pressure cook the meat till it slips from the bone (about 2 hours) let cool, discard the fish and eat the rock.

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    4. Re:What kind of fish? by slashdice · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, except the one guy who was paid to read the summary didn't.

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    5. Re:What kind of fish? by Tyrannicsupremacy · · Score: 5, Funny

      A fish so terrible it must not be named!!!

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    6. Re:What kind of fish? by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I like my method of turning carp into something delicious better:
      1. Catch the carp
      2. load up ~100lbs of carp in the back of the jeep in a big plastic tub
      3. dig a big hold in the garden
      4. bury carp in the garden
      They make a wonderful fertilizer. I also do the same thing with the little crappy bullheads from the pond that is full of sheep field run off near my house.

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    7. Re:What kind of fish? by jeffmeden · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, except the one guy who was paid to read the summary didn't.

      What better way to have truly objective reporting, than editors who have no idea what's even in the story before they greenlight it! It's the ultimate in fair and balanced journalism.

  2. "Promoting" how? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Does "promoting" mean passing out some posters or getting rid of the requirement to purchase a fishing license from the State to keep the northern snakehead? There are plenty of folks out of work who could help here in a win-win situation. We already have systems in place to police the fish that people keep and removing all restrictions on invasive species taking would go a long way towards reducing their populations.

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  3. Like my mamma always taught me by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...sometimes all you have to do is eat the problem.

  4. The Comma Fish by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    closely related to the silverback semicolon, but watch out for those pointy asterisks

  5. Yum. by Rick+in+China · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've eaten this fish quite frequently in China, and it's actually quite tasty. I didn't realize it was so highly invasive, but some other fish (like Lionfish) seem to really f' up huge populations/ecosystems when they start to flourish where they don't belong, and I definitely agree that *eating them* is by far a better method than some other fish invasion control methods, like poisoning bodies of water and all adjacent bodies of water to kill everything.

    These m'f'rs can actually wriggle over land for a few days out of water to expand their territory. That's badass.

  6. An idea by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny

    In the meantime, though, his official slogan for the fish is, "Malicious but delicious."

    Hmmm, can we legalize cannibalism of politicians?

    1. Re: An idea by Type44Q · · Score: 5, Funny

      If the words out of their mouths are any indication, they're guaranteed to taste like shit.

  7. Already started by LordLucless · · Score: 5, Funny

    The editors have already begun this process by eating the very name of the fish in question.

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  8. Re:Take the , by Trogre · · Score: 5, Funny

    Clearly it's the rare but apparently also invasive comma-fish, often abbreviated as the ,

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  9. Not even remotely new news by Rakhar · · Score: 4, Informative

    Same species, same proposed solution...back when they first appeared in the US.

    1. Re:Not even remotely new news by Rakhar · · Score: 5, Informative

      http://www.alternet.org/story/...

      2002. This has been brought up over and over. Apparently it isn't working well enough.

  10. Bioaccumulation Ahoy by mentil · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One side-effect of this is that people who eat this fish will consume more mercury, PCBs and other harmful substances compared to if they ate the native (potentially restricted-catch) fish. This is due to the northern snakehead consuming poisons in the water plus toxins accumulated in the flesh of their prey. Humans who eat this fish (or any predatory fish) would thus consume more toxins than if they ate a fish (like much of its prey likely is) that only eats primary producers.

    The obvious solution involves Needle Snakes.
    Seriously though, how much can we interfere with nature to ensure some animals' survival, and continue to call it 'nature' with a straight face? Eventually, the figurative and literal cage bars make it indistinguishable from captivity. Isn't there a point where we should let evolution do its thing? I know that often leads to extinction, but if we're only keeping wild animals alive so we can eat their tasty flesh, then we may as well keep enough to eat captive.

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    1. Re:Bioaccumulation Ahoy by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 2

      One side-effect of this is that people who eat this fish will consume more mercury, PCBs and other harmful substances compared to if they ate the native (potentially restricted-catch) fish.

      Citation very much needed.

    2. Re:Bioaccumulation Ahoy by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 3, Interesting

      1) Have you any evidence of any surplus of heavy metals in the abovementioned waters?

      2) Have you any evidence that other species of fish from the area have been ruled off limits due to heavy metals contamination?

      3) Have you any evidence that this particular species of fish has a record of being a heavy metal accummulator due to its feeding strategies anywhere?

      You sound like some boob that read something about tuna one time without actually understanding it. Locally pike fish are the equivalent - I wouldn't eat them but that's because they taste like shit, although they're popular in France so maybe I'm just cooking them wrong. They're perfectly safe to eat.

    3. Re: Bioaccumulation Ahoy by MickLinux · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Okay, here's your first citation.

      http://www.elizabethriver.org/

      Now, having worked on the Eastern Shore of Virginia, I can assure you that it is common in the newspapers to have articles about projects to restart clam and oyster aquaculture, which crashed, resulting in a spike in pollution in the water.

      But more to the point, I worked at Atlantic Metrocast, where the land had been taken over by the military during world war 2, and all kinds of extremely toxic munitions leaked in. That site is a superfund site, paid for by the Federal Government, because they are the ones who polluted it.
      To the south is Julian Creek, where munitions were just dumped into the water, and the cancer rates and birth defect rates are sky-high.

      Oh, I haven't mentioned the shipyards yet. They also were dumping in the river, aah, welding materials, lead, whatnot. AND, when the company at the old Bells Mill site needed to turn the mashland of their worksite into solid land, they used fill from the shipyards. So as you walk along the land at BayShore Concrete, you'll every so often find all kinds of heavy-metal-laden industrial parts there, embedded in the ground.

      Oh, and don't forget right by the Gilmerton Bridge where there's a recycling center that tears down ships.

      Now, that's just the Elizabeth. Let's move on up to the James, where you have Tenneco/Newport News Shipbuilding, the Navy's ship graveyard, and of course Smithfield Hams. And all that agricultural land that gets sprayed every year.

      Or how about the Shenandoah River, which five years ago practically died due to heavy metal pollution in the Shenandoah Valley, and dumps into the Chesapeake Bay through Maryland?

      Citation needed, I gave you one; I mentioned a few other places where you can find more.

      One hint is that wherever you find the military, destruction is not far behind.

      Open your eyes and look for yourself, and quit with the laziness, because that's what it is.

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  11. In Europe we eat them but... by opslashdot · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In Europe we have been eating this type of invasive specie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wels_catfish) for long but... As its flesh is tasty and as selling these fishes has become quite successfull, we now have farms of such fishes! Of course, these farms compete against fishing in living waters! So, eating invasive species may not be the most successful way of getting rid of them...

    1. Re:In Europe we eat them but... by tompaulco · · Score: 2

      Never underestimate the evolutionary advantage of being tasty to a species of higher animal.

      People complain about humans causing extinction. Never doubt that a lion would eat the last zebra in the world without a second thought.

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  12. Bioaccumulation Ahoy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know, the solution for harmfull PCBs, mercury and shit isn't tp eat less fish, but to let less of that crap get in to the waters in the first place. A nation wide "don't poop where you eat" idea. And yes, it will cost some money, your tax money, to enforce the regulations. And yes, it will need some rules on what you can just dump into the rivers and lakes and ocean. And fuck the profits. You can't take the money with you anyways. Leave the damn ball cleaner and better than it was when you were born. That's really the only worthwhile goal mankind has at the moment that we can really do something about. Ihabitating space won't happen for a while, and needs more research. Earth we can save today, if we, as a species, could only get our collective heads out of our asses. Every bit helps. Do your share.

  13. Re:Take the , by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Perhaps they meant evasive species.

  14. Love Invasive Fish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have fished in Florida for 60 years and I flat out love invasive species. They are exciting to catch and easy to catch if one knows how. I was catching snakeheads for several years before reporters first mentioned them. The are very similar to the Bowfins we have always had in Florida and I suspect that they have been in the wild for decades as the fish we thought were bowfins were way to large to actually be bowfins in many vases. We also have oscars as well as many cychlids, peacock bass and rainbow bass as well. So far I haven't seen any silver carp or big head carp but I'm sure they will do well here. We have a mule like Russian carp that was installed to stop certain weeds that get up to about 15 lbs.. And we have the lion fish in salt water in abundance. It adds to the sport of fishing. I say the more species the better. Pythons are common here and we have so many wild hogs that we sort of need the pythons to snag a few. Coyotes also are here as are armadillos which are also invaders. I still like them all.

  15. Here's the problem by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Funny

    The Asian Carp tastes like shit. It's a greasy, nasty-tasting meat with a mushy texture. Maybe if you put enough breading and spices and deep fry it long enough, you might be able to turn it into a mystery meat and pass it off to someone starving.

    It sounds like a great idea, but no. Maybe it could be ground up and fed to cats or used as fertilizer. It would be preferable to then bread and deep fry the cat and eat that then to eat an Asian Carp.

    And before you tell me that they eat Asian Carp in some god-forsaken hell-hole on the other side in the world, I would also remind you that the same thing could be said about the cat.

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    1. Re:Here's the problem by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      It's a greasy, nasty-tasting meat with a mushy texture.

      McDonald's has made a fortune with that. A McSnakehead might appeal to kids and metal heads, if they included a toy with it.

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  16. Not a new or unique solution by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 2

    Glenn Reynolds at Instapundit has been suggesting this approach for years with this and other invasive species. Ultimately it's the only way to go. When you say the fish "has no natural predators" - well, I know a *bunch* of potential predators....

  17. Eating Invasive species? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    but I dont want to eat Americans, they will be high in fat and taste horrible due to all the steroids and hormones they ingest in their meat and the beer that tastes like piss they drink.

  18. Almost there by nospam007 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now all we need is some invasive species of chips.

  19. Encourage over fishing? by usuallylost · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I agree that eating the invasive fish is a good idea. After all if we didn't put catch limits, and encourage catch and release, on the normal game fish people would have fished them to extinction. So really all we have to do is convince people they are good eating and then make no efforts to protect the invasive fish. My guess is once it gets going people will gleefully over fish them. Just have to make sure people stick to the undesirable fish.

    I don't know about lion fish but both Asian carp and northern snakeheads are good to eat. They eat Asian carp extensively in China and the northern snakehead is commonly consumed in Thailand. I have seen them for sale in markets where the northern snakehead was stuffed with what looked like lemon grass, other herbs and covered in a layer of salt and then grilled. I never tried it simply because I am not keen on fish.

    1. Re:Encourage over fishing? by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 2

      I agree that eating the invasive fish is a good idea. After all if we didn't put catch limits, and encourage catch and release, on the normal game fish people would have fished them to extinction. So really all we have to do is convince people they are good eating and then make no efforts to protect the invasive fish. My guess is once it gets going people will gleefully over fish them. Just have to make sure people stick to the undesirable fish.

      I don't know about lion fish but both Asian carp and northern snakeheads are good to eat. They eat Asian carp extensively in China and the northern snakehead is commonly consumed in Thailand. I have seen them for sale in markets where the northern snakehead was stuffed with what looked like lemon grass, other herbs and covered in a layer of salt and then grilled. I never tried it simply because I am not keen on fish.

      A friend of mine regularly goes spear fishing after them. He swears they are tasty and good to eat. You just have to be careful with the spines when you clean these bad boys.

  20. Re:Creating demand? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

    could that possibly go the wrong way because you create demand so later there will be an incentive to actually put _more_ invasive fish into the habitat?

    Even if, we'll probably overfish them, and it'll be save the snakeheads!

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  21. Re:Take the , by Rei · · Score: 2

    I let Google Autocomplete it for me to try to figure out. Most were mundane, like "Take the money and run", but I have to say, I was pretty boggled by Google's suggestion of "Take the skinheads bowling". ;)

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  22. Re:Invasive obsession by timrod · · Score: 2

    In many cases, the invasive species aren't competing to survive because they have no natural predators in the area, and the damage they do can go far beyond merely shoving out local species. Best example of this is the zebra mussel.

    Zebra mussels were originally from Russia, but are now on virtually every continent (after steadily invading various locations over the past 300 years) because of their tendency to attach themselves to the sides of ships and their ability to reproduce very quickly. They're a huge problem in a lot of places because they have no natural predators in those areas, and due to the fact that their larvae are microscopic can get into water treatment plants and power plants and clog up machinery. We've got a very good reason for not wanting zebra mussels to spread any more than they already have.

    Worst part is, you can't even eat them - they're too small.

  23. Re:Already happened to sharks by Rei · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yeah, but because it's so weird, all of the tourists who want to be seen as tough have to try it for themselves. ;) I wouldn't be surprised if 75% of hákarl sales are to tourists.

    You have to admit, "poisonous urine-scented shark rotted in a pit until it has the texture of cheese, reeks of ammonia and will no longer kill you" isn't the most appetizing food description ;)

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  24. Re: Already happened to sharks by AvitarX · · Score: 2

    One wonders how they figures that one out initially.

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  25. Being done in the Midwest by KindMind · · Score: 2

    Two Rivers Fisheries is already doing this - they fish for Asian Carp, and sell it overseas.

    Article about them

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  26. Re:Take the , by mythosaz · · Score: 2

    An early "college rock" classic (should you believe such a thing exists) by Camper Van Beethoven. Impossible to miss if you were the right age, I think.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T...

  27. Re:Invasive obsession by tompaulco · · Score: 2

    Similar to this is when touring caves or something and they will point out people who signed the cave wall back in the 1800s, but you can't do that today. Somehow it is celebrated that present day people did that in the 1800s, but it is wrong for today's present day people to do that.

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  28. The damned things will just jump in your boat. by GrantRobertson · · Score: 2

    IIRC, when I first saw a video about these things, one of the problems is that when a motor boat goes by they will jump out of the water high and hard enough to injure people in the boat. In the video they were flying outta the water by the hundreds. All you gotta do is set up your nets to catch them in mid-air and "drive around" in your boat. No harm to the native species at all.