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Fighting Invasive Fish With Forks and Knives

An anonymous reader writes NPR commentator Bonny Wolf has a unique solution to battle the threat of invasive fish species in our waterways. She proposes we fight them with a knife, fork, and a few lemon wedges. From the article: "Take the northern snakehead, which has made its way into tributaries of the Chesapeake Bay. It competes with native species for food, and then eats the native species, not to mention the odd frog or bird, with its mouthful of sharp teeth. It's been called "Fishzilla." It breeds fast, has no natural predators and can grow to be 4 feet long. The northern snakehead hangs out in grassy shallows, making it hard to catch. But a couple of years ago, Maryland started promoting the snakehead as an eating fish. Its harvest has increased from zero to 5,000 pounds a year."

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  1. What kind of fish? by statusbar · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think the fish accidentally a word there with its mouthful of teeth!

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    1. Re:What kind of fish? by istartedi · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Those are the fish that can move 1/4 mile across dry land to find new places to live. It probably crawled out of water and ate that word out of the summary.

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    2. Re:What kind of fish? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Fish is Northern Snakehead

      Oh, is that all?

      I thought it might be a species of Candleja...

    3. Re:What kind of fish? by guises · · Score: 5, Funny

      Bizarrely, I am encouraged that so many posts are pointing out the missing name. "Wow," I'm saying to myself, "The first three posts are all by people who have read the summary and not just the title." A tiny victory for intelligent discourse.

      Maybe I'm setting the bar too low.

    4. Re:What kind of fish? by flyneye · · Score: 5, Funny

      We have an overabundance of carp here. Normally eating carp seems to be an ethnic thing around here.Even then, only an older generation bothers with it. I would like the world to come and rid the Mid U.S. of carp, so I have included the only recipe I know for carp.
              1 pressure cooker
                1 5-lb. rock
                1 carp
                Pressure cook the meat till it slips from the bone (about 2 hours) let cool, discard the fish and eat the rock.

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    5. Re:What kind of fish? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      Those are the fish that can move 1/4 mile across dry land to find new places to live.

      Well, that sounds like their weak point. Maybe we need to have Springfield Snakefish Days when it's dry and go around clubbing them?

      The summary says that they hang out in shallow, grassy waters. Some geek fisher here must have some techie ideas involving radar and shotguns that should help the problem.

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    6. Re:What kind of fish? by slashdice · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, except the one guy who was paid to read the summary didn't.

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    7. Re:What kind of fish? by Tyrannicsupremacy · · Score: 5, Funny

      A fish so terrible it must not be named!!!

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    8. Re:What kind of fish? by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I like my method of turning carp into something delicious better:
      1. Catch the carp
      2. load up ~100lbs of carp in the back of the jeep in a big plastic tub
      3. dig a big hold in the garden
      4. bury carp in the garden
      They make a wonderful fertilizer. I also do the same thing with the little crappy bullheads from the pond that is full of sheep field run off near my house.

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    9. Re:What kind of fish? by flanders123 · · Score: 1

      I see what the editors did there. This clearly was a ploy to trick us into reading TFA. Very clever. Almost as clever as the tasty northern snakehead fish. Good thing I caught it and refuse to RTFA like any true slashdotter!

    10. Re:What kind of fish? by jeffmeden · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, except the one guy who was paid to read the summary didn't.

      What better way to have truly objective reporting, than editors who have no idea what's even in the story before they greenlight it! It's the ultimate in fair and balanced journalism.

    11. Re:What kind of fish? by complete+loony · · Score: 1

      Bored while camping, my family started spear fishing with garden forks in knee deep reeds. Caught about 40 carp, buried them in someone's garden for fertiliser.

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    12. Re:What kind of fish? by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      You forgot mounted on a drone that is really a remote controlled quad/octi copter.

      I imagine some sieescan sonar would be called for too.

    13. Re:What kind of fish? by mspohr · · Score: 1

      The answer is always sharks with lasers.

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    14. Re:What kind of fish? by neoritter · · Score: 1

      Wait... wouldn't it bet better for intelligent discourse if they read the linked article instead of just the summary? If they read the article, then we wouldn't be wasting time talking about a typo.

    15. Re:What kind of fish? by Yakasha · · Score: 1

      Yeah, except the one guy who was paid to read the summary didn't.

      Maybe he is from Baltimore and died several months ago? I heard they taught zombies to sign their names there.

    16. Re:What kind of fish? by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      It won't last.

    17. Re:What kind of fish? by suutar · · Score: 1

      is it so good that eating it will put you in a comma?

      Thenk yew, thenk yew, tip your waitress and try the veal.

    18. Re:What kind of fish? by godel_56 · · Score: 1

      We have an overabundance of carp here. Normally eating carp seems to be an ethnic thing around here.Even then, only an older generation bothers with it. I would like the world to come and rid the Mid U.S. of carp, so I have included the only recipe I know for carp. 1 pressure cooker 1 5-lb. rock 1 carp Pressure cook the meat till it slips from the bone (about 2 hours) let cool, discard the fish and eat the rock.

      I've never tried it, but I've heard they can be OK eating if prepared correctly. The recommendation I heard was to skin and fillet the fish, and age it in a freezer for some weeks. I think they used it in a stew after that.

    19. Re:What kind of fish? by sjames · · Score: 1

      How many sticks of dynamite can a quadcopter safely carry?

    20. Re:What kind of fish? by BillX · · Score: 1

      They can be delicious if prepared correctly. The main problem with carp is the pin-bones all through the flesh - you can't just split them down the middle, peel out the skeleton and enjoy, so many folks give them a pass. They're also a fairly thick fish, and with those bones it's not really practical to fillet them, so cooking them through without overcooking some part can be tricky. Slow smoking works great - a slab of smoked fish is basically finger food anyway and usually pinched off in small pieces, so it makes the bones less of an issue.

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    21. Re:What kind of fish? by flyneye · · Score: 1

      Well, it's that fillet part that will get you.They are so full of bones that filleting by hand will leave you with fish-burger, and not much of that.

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    22. Re:What kind of fish? by flyneye · · Score: 1

      This and fertilizer seem to be actual solutions.

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    23. Re:What kind of fish? by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Well, it appears from a quick internet search that most quad copters can carry around 2 to 5 lbs of cargo depending on battery and fly time. Typical dynamite weighs in at (0.186 kg) .41 lbs or just under a half pound. per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D...

      This would be something around 4.5 sticks to 12 sticks of dynamite. Again, these are just ballpark figures and the term safely is kind of up to interpretation. I have rode in several death trap cars which their owners thought were perfectly safe.

  2. Take the , by ireallyhateslashdot · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Take the what? Is this my browser? I don't know what the hell you're talking about.

    1. Re:Take the , by Trogre · · Score: 5, Funny

      Clearly it's the rare but apparently also invasive comma-fish, often abbreviated as the ,

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    2. Re:Take the , by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Perhaps they meant evasive species.

    3. Re:Take the , by Rei · · Score: 2

      I let Google Autocomplete it for me to try to figure out. Most were mundane, like "Take the money and run", but I have to say, I was pretty boggled by Google's suggestion of "Take the skinheads bowling". ;)

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    4. Re:Take the , by OakDragon · · Score: 1

      Henny Youngman : Take my , please!

    5. Re:Take the , by cellocgw · · Score: 1

      Take the what? Is this my browser? I don't know what the hell you're talking about.

      Take the comma, ... please //rimshot

      Thanks folks, I'll be here all week. Try the Snakehead.

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    6. Re:Take the , by mythosaz · · Score: 2

      An early "college rock" classic (should you believe such a thing exists) by Camper Van Beethoven. Impossible to miss if you were the right age, I think.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T...

    7. Re:Take the , by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      It's a silly song from the old "Dr. Demento" radio show days.

  3. Take the ??? by corychristison · · Score: 1, Funny

    1. Take the ???.
    2. ???
    3. Profit!

    Genius.

    1. Re:Take the ??? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Somebody read "Take the" a bit too literally.

  4. "Promoting" how? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Does "promoting" mean passing out some posters or getting rid of the requirement to purchase a fishing license from the State to keep the northern snakehead? There are plenty of folks out of work who could help here in a win-win situation. We already have systems in place to police the fish that people keep and removing all restrictions on invasive species taking would go a long way towards reducing their populations.

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    1. Re:"Promoting" how? by RobinH · · Score: 1

      If that were the case, I can see how it would promote the introduction of invasive species. That is, if you have a fishing lodge on Lake Somechamacallit, and you have to pay for a license to fish native species, why not then just import a breeding pair of invasive species, let nature run its course for a few years, and then fish all you like?

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  5. Creating demand? by YoungManKlaus · · Score: 1, Interesting

    could that possibly go the wrong way because you create demand so later there will be an incentive to actually put _more_ invasive fish into the habitat?

    1. Re:Creating demand? by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      Two words: European rabbit.

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    2. Re:Creating demand? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      could that possibly go the wrong way because you create demand so later there will be an incentive to actually put _more_ invasive fish into the habitat?

      Even if, we'll probably overfish them, and it'll be save the snakeheads!

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    3. Re:Creating demand? by maliqua · · Score: 1

      That's how they arrived in the first place... so the demand obviously existed in some form before

    4. Re:Creating demand? by YoungManKlaus · · Score: 1

      exactly. ty for that link, thats what I was thinking about in the back of my head. also wtf downvoted this and for what reason?

    5. Re:Creating demand? by neoritter · · Score: 1

      You'd have controlled fish farms though instead and they wouldn't be part of the natural ecosystem anymore. Even if there's economic incentive doesn't mean people won't fish the hell out of a species. Take certain delicacies in Britain. There's a worm that you can fish for that used be considered a common man food, but overfishing has made it so hard to get that the prices for it are so high that it's now a rich man's food

    6. Re:Creating demand? by suutar · · Score: 1

      Aha! The superclass of the Streisand Effect!

  6. Like my mamma always taught me by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...sometimes all you have to do is eat the problem.

    1. Re:Like my mamma always taught me by Yakasha · · Score: 1

      ...sometimes all you have to do is eat the problem.

      Tell that to the 99%.
      Eat the Rich

  7. The Comma Fish by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    closely related to the silverback semicolon, but watch out for those pointy asterisks

  8. Yum. by Rick+in+China · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've eaten this fish quite frequently in China, and it's actually quite tasty. I didn't realize it was so highly invasive, but some other fish (like Lionfish) seem to really f' up huge populations/ecosystems when they start to flourish where they don't belong, and I definitely agree that *eating them* is by far a better method than some other fish invasion control methods, like poisoning bodies of water and all adjacent bodies of water to kill everything.

    These m'f'rs can actually wriggle over land for a few days out of water to expand their territory. That's badass.

    1. Re:Yum. by oobayly · · Score: 1

      It's not a bad idea - in the UK the grey squirrels introduced from North America have caused havoc with the native red squirrel, it turns out they're quite tasty too - a local restaurant serves shredded squirrel meat. Same (apparently) goes for the signal crayfish that were introduced here.

    2. Re:Yum. by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      yeeeah... just don't get caught fishing them out of the Serpentine (there is a company does it under some sort of royal charter), but you're OK trapping them in the Thames.

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    3. Re:Yum. by Rei · · Score: 1

      Part of the problem is that most restaurants and stores would rather serve farm-raise game animals than wild-killed game. So if you manage to develop a taste for a particular type of meat, people will often start farm raising them.

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  9. An idea by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny

    In the meantime, though, his official slogan for the fish is, "Malicious but delicious."

    Hmmm, can we legalize cannibalism of politicians?

    1. Re: An idea by Type44Q · · Score: 5, Funny

      If the words out of their mouths are any indication, they're guaranteed to taste like shit.

    2. Re:An idea by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      only if you can develop a mouth lining that's resistant to battery acid, which is what you'll need to decontaminate yourself.

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  10. Already started by LordLucless · · Score: 5, Funny

    The editors have already begun this process by eating the very name of the fish in question.

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  11. Already happened to sharks by Animats · · Score: 1

    Before "Jaws", there wasn't much of a market for shark meat. Then demand picked up. Now, the shark population has dropped so much that sharks are facing extinction.

    1. Re:Already happened to sharks by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 1, Informative

      Before "Jaws", there wasn't much of a market for shark meat. Then demand picked up. Now, the shark population has dropped so much that sharks are facing extinction.

      Isn't it mostly the fins that are taken? The rest is of the shark is mostly worthless and gets dumped in the ocean... free market capitalism at it's finest. It is a pity that most sharks aren't as toxic to humans as the Greenland shark is. Greenland Shark can be eaten but the treatment required to make it edible makes it stink to high heaven.

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    2. Re:Already happened to sharks by Rei · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, but because it's so weird, all of the tourists who want to be seen as tough have to try it for themselves. ;) I wouldn't be surprised if 75% of hákarl sales are to tourists.

      You have to admit, "poisonous urine-scented shark rotted in a pit until it has the texture of cheese, reeks of ammonia and will no longer kill you" isn't the most appetizing food description ;)

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    3. Re: Already happened to sharks by AvitarX · · Score: 2

      One wonders how they figures that one out initially.

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    4. Re:Already happened to sharks by will_die · · Score: 1

      Check the dates, sales did not go up back in the 70s it has gone up with a wealthier asian population who can now afford shark as a food source.
      There was a surge of killing, but not a market for the sale, after Jaws. However there has been an increase of sales of shark flesh,in the USA, with the popularity of "shark week" and an increase of the sale during that time.

    5. Re:Already happened to sharks by neoritter · · Score: 1

      What does free market capitalism have to do with it? What people didn't hunt things for specific body parts before capitalism?

    6. Re:Already happened to sharks by belmolis · · Score: 1

      Shark was sold in Boston in the early 1980s, touted as a substitute for swordfish, which was more expensive and contained a lot of mercury. I don't know how well it did but I bought it occasionally. (In my opinion, it doesn't taste as good as swordfish, though there is a resemblance.)

    7. Re:Already happened to sharks by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Free market capitalism exists since before humans have existed. It still mostly exists in dense forests.

      Just the forms of "capital" has changed since then.

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    8. Re:Already happened to sharks by neoritter · · Score: 1

      I don't think you understand what capitalism is. Capitalism is a for profit enterprise. If you're economy is centered around subsistence then it's not a capitalistic. A form of currency is also required for it to exist, as it requires the accumulation of disposable wealth. The essential feature of all this is the investment of money in order to make a profit.

    9. Re:Already happened to sharks by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      I don't think you read or understood my post completely. At any rate, you might see that I wrote forms of capital have changed.

      Capital in dense forests is at times access to good food, safe resting place, choice of mates. It is "invested" in becoming stronger and hence get even more access to good food, safe resting place, choice of mates as profit. Sometimes it is not invested well, like many people in modern "capitalistic" societies, and the "capital" is eroded by laziness.

      Like current day capitalism, "capital" can even be passed on to one's progeny, and sometimes not. E.g. social status of many wild animals depends on one's parents' social status. There is some "mobility", as hard work, luck and talent can help individuals heighten their own social status.

      "Currency" doesn't get more current than physical strength, tirelessness and vigour.

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    10. Re:Already happened to sharks by neoritter · · Score: 1

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E...

      Capital when referring to economics is a produced good and is not land or natural resources.

    11. Re:Already happened to sharks by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Why limit oneself to economics, that too narrowly defined, when original statement was about "free market capitalism" ?

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    12. Re:Already happened to sharks by neoritter · · Score: 1

      Free market capitalism is economics...it's a form of economy.

    13. Re:Already happened to sharks by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      In a narrow interpretation, it can be. But then your question doesn't make sense "before capitalism" isn't a meaningful term in that narrow interpretation. This is because capitalism in this narrow sense has always been used to distinguish it from non-free market, socialistic/communistic ideas. Marx's work on "capital" has done more to define it than any other single influence. So it was an existing thing/phenomenon that came to be defined as capitalism. Hence anyone with any clue doesn't use the term "before capitalism" and expect it to mean the narrow economic sense of capitalism.

      Before being defined as capitalism, the major parts of what Marx wrote about was called industrialization. But when prefixed with "free market ", industrialization doesn't cover it all.

      It can be interpreted in the broad sense of free, market, capital, and ism - in which sense the question is at least non-trivial. Dense forest fits with that interpretation. I gave you the benefit of doubt but you proved it wasn't warranted.

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  12. Not even remotely new news by Rakhar · · Score: 4, Informative

    Same species, same proposed solution...back when they first appeared in the US.

    1. Re:Not even remotely new news by Rakhar · · Score: 5, Informative

      http://www.alternet.org/story/...

      2002. This has been brought up over and over. Apparently it isn't working well enough.

    2. Re:Not even remotely new news by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      Introducing another species to weed out an undesirable species always backfires, especially when the introduced species is homo sapiens.

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  13. Bioaccumulation Ahoy by mentil · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One side-effect of this is that people who eat this fish will consume more mercury, PCBs and other harmful substances compared to if they ate the native (potentially restricted-catch) fish. This is due to the northern snakehead consuming poisons in the water plus toxins accumulated in the flesh of their prey. Humans who eat this fish (or any predatory fish) would thus consume more toxins than if they ate a fish (like much of its prey likely is) that only eats primary producers.

    The obvious solution involves Needle Snakes.
    Seriously though, how much can we interfere with nature to ensure some animals' survival, and continue to call it 'nature' with a straight face? Eventually, the figurative and literal cage bars make it indistinguishable from captivity. Isn't there a point where we should let evolution do its thing? I know that often leads to extinction, but if we're only keeping wild animals alive so we can eat their tasty flesh, then we may as well keep enough to eat captive.

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    1. Re:Bioaccumulation Ahoy by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 2

      One side-effect of this is that people who eat this fish will consume more mercury, PCBs and other harmful substances compared to if they ate the native (potentially restricted-catch) fish.

      Citation very much needed.

    2. Re:Bioaccumulation Ahoy by ruir · · Score: 1

      You dont need a citation, you just need common sense, and being able to think about you read. Carnivore fishes/animals have bioaccumulation of toxins of their preys. News at 11.

    3. Re:Bioaccumulation Ahoy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Sorry, if you ask people (this of course includes corporations) to act responsibily it will only make it harder for them to survive. What you are proposing is murder. You, sir, are a monster.

    4. Re:Bioaccumulation Ahoy by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 3, Interesting

      1) Have you any evidence of any surplus of heavy metals in the abovementioned waters?

      2) Have you any evidence that other species of fish from the area have been ruled off limits due to heavy metals contamination?

      3) Have you any evidence that this particular species of fish has a record of being a heavy metal accummulator due to its feeding strategies anywhere?

      You sound like some boob that read something about tuna one time without actually understanding it. Locally pike fish are the equivalent - I wouldn't eat them but that's because they taste like shit, although they're popular in France so maybe I'm just cooking them wrong. They're perfectly safe to eat.

    5. Re: Bioaccumulation Ahoy by MickLinux · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Okay, here's your first citation.

      http://www.elizabethriver.org/

      Now, having worked on the Eastern Shore of Virginia, I can assure you that it is common in the newspapers to have articles about projects to restart clam and oyster aquaculture, which crashed, resulting in a spike in pollution in the water.

      But more to the point, I worked at Atlantic Metrocast, where the land had been taken over by the military during world war 2, and all kinds of extremely toxic munitions leaked in. That site is a superfund site, paid for by the Federal Government, because they are the ones who polluted it.
      To the south is Julian Creek, where munitions were just dumped into the water, and the cancer rates and birth defect rates are sky-high.

      Oh, I haven't mentioned the shipyards yet. They also were dumping in the river, aah, welding materials, lead, whatnot. AND, when the company at the old Bells Mill site needed to turn the mashland of their worksite into solid land, they used fill from the shipyards. So as you walk along the land at BayShore Concrete, you'll every so often find all kinds of heavy-metal-laden industrial parts there, embedded in the ground.

      Oh, and don't forget right by the Gilmerton Bridge where there's a recycling center that tears down ships.

      Now, that's just the Elizabeth. Let's move on up to the James, where you have Tenneco/Newport News Shipbuilding, the Navy's ship graveyard, and of course Smithfield Hams. And all that agricultural land that gets sprayed every year.

      Or how about the Shenandoah River, which five years ago practically died due to heavy metal pollution in the Shenandoah Valley, and dumps into the Chesapeake Bay through Maryland?

      Citation needed, I gave you one; I mentioned a few other places where you can find more.

      One hint is that wherever you find the military, destruction is not far behind.

      Open your eyes and look for yourself, and quit with the laziness, because that's what it is.

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    6. Re: Bioaccumulation Ahoy by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      Let's move on up to the James ...

      You forgot the kepone scare of the 70's that shut down the James from Richmond to the Chesapeake for 13 years.

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    7. Re:Bioaccumulation Ahoy by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      http://hal.archives-ouvertes.f... three SE England estuaries all showing elevated heavy metal concentrations in sediment. Shellfish concentrate HMs for example lead and mercury, fish concentrate mercury in particular. Up the food chain, bioavailability increases. This is why fish farms regularly test for heavy metals and why you won't find any near industrial effluent outlets such as pretty much anywhere South of The Wash or East of Brighton.

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    8. Re:Bioaccumulation Ahoy by robsku · · Score: 1

      Word! Large!
         

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    9. Re: Bioaccumulation Ahoy by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1

      Open your eyes and look for yourself, and quit with the laziness, because that's what it is.

      Asking for evidence is laziness now? You must have a lot of time on your hands.

    10. Re:Bioaccumulation Ahoy by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      2) Have you any evidence that other species of fish from the area have been ruled off limits due to heavy metals contamination?

      http://www.mde.state.md.us/programs/Marylander/CitizensInfoCenterHome/Documents/Fish%20Consumption%20Docs/Maryland_Fish_Advisories_2014_Web_bluecatedit.pdf

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    11. Re:Bioaccumulation Ahoy by sillybilly · · Score: 1

      Some islands with native birds and animals get devastated by feral cats getting out of hand, and sometimes people round them all up with bait, to restore how it was before cats. On the other hand some islands, like the Cat-island in Japan, deliberately let cats proliferate out of control. And so do some old cat-ladies or cat-men. My aunt had a neighbor who lived well past 100, but by the time he died, there were probably 300 cats in his house, and you could barely step around in the cat poop. He kept feeding them, but was too weak and sick to clean up after them. And he did not get them neutered, he licked having a lot of cats, and the cats were like as long as there is extra food, we're gonna keep reproducing.

    12. Re:Bioaccumulation Ahoy by neoritter · · Score: 1

      Snakehead is not on the lists though. Checked the Virginia advisories too, wasn't on the list there either. So the original point still isn't proven that eating the Snakehead would be more dangerous to your health than other fish.

    13. Re:Bioaccumulation Ahoy by Mr+Foobar · · Score: 1

      As a long time resident of the Central Florida - Orlando area, I give you beautiful Lake Apopka.

      Ah, once beautiful. It was the bass fishing capital of the South. Large clean lake, the tastiest bass you could ever catch. A virtual paradise before Disney.

      Then WW2 happened, the top third of the lake was drained for war-time farming. Then the land was given over to the farmers, who loved their pesticides and fertilizers. All that flushed into the lake, freely and without restriction.

      The fish, and everything else that depended on the fish, like the birds and the lake's fisherman, all died out. The lake turned into a huge sewer, almost completely bereft of any hint of life. On a hot August day, residents said you could smell the lake from downtown Orlando.

      In the last twenty years, we've slowly brought the lake out of its catatonia, and life is starting to return. Birds have come again (at least two times, the birds were killed by the lake's poisonous muck), and there are fish, not bass, and not edible.

      But to celebrate Lake Apopka becoming possibly beautiful and fishable, there's a nice proposal to build a large airport very near it. That won't scare the birds, we're advised.

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    14. Re:Bioaccumulation Ahoy by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      You dont need a citation, you just need common sense, and being able to think about you read

      Thank you Jenny McCarthy.

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    15. Re: Bioaccumulation Ahoy by sjames · · Score: 1

      Asking for evidence that the sky appears blue and that the moon isn't actually cheese is laziness.

    16. Re: Bioaccumulation Ahoy by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1

      Possibly you missed the part where this particular fish isn't on any advisories - just like the local equivalent I mentioned.

    17. Re: Bioaccumulation Ahoy by sjames · · Score: 1

      You asked the wrong questions though. The pollution in those waters is well known. He never claimed that the level of accumulation was sufficient for an advisory. And finally, all predatory fish are bio-accumulators. This is well understood.

      The more useful question or comment would be to ask for a comparison with native pike or to simply point out that some of the native fish are also predatory.

    18. Re:Bioaccumulation Ahoy by sillybilly · · Score: 1

      Catholic

  14. In Europe we eat them but... by opslashdot · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In Europe we have been eating this type of invasive specie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wels_catfish) for long but... As its flesh is tasty and as selling these fishes has become quite successfull, we now have farms of such fishes! Of course, these farms compete against fishing in living waters! So, eating invasive species may not be the most successful way of getting rid of them...

    1. Re:In Europe we eat them but... by ruir · · Score: 1

      Catfishes may be cheaper, however we have natural species much more tastier.

    2. Re:In Europe we eat them but... by tp1024 · · Score: 1

      You don't want to get rid of the fish, you want to get rid of the problem. Such a fish in a farm isn't a problem.

    3. Re:In Europe we eat them but... by tompaulco · · Score: 2

      Never underestimate the evolutionary advantage of being tasty to a species of higher animal.

      People complain about humans causing extinction. Never doubt that a lion would eat the last zebra in the world without a second thought.

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  15. What if it is already too late for that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Brass, the carnivorous alloy...

  16. Bioaccumulation Ahoy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know, the solution for harmfull PCBs, mercury and shit isn't tp eat less fish, but to let less of that crap get in to the waters in the first place. A nation wide "don't poop where you eat" idea. And yes, it will cost some money, your tax money, to enforce the regulations. And yes, it will need some rules on what you can just dump into the rivers and lakes and ocean. And fuck the profits. You can't take the money with you anyways. Leave the damn ball cleaner and better than it was when you were born. That's really the only worthwhile goal mankind has at the moment that we can really do something about. Ihabitating space won't happen for a while, and needs more research. Earth we can save today, if we, as a species, could only get our collective heads out of our asses. Every bit helps. Do your share.

  17. Love Invasive Fish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have fished in Florida for 60 years and I flat out love invasive species. They are exciting to catch and easy to catch if one knows how. I was catching snakeheads for several years before reporters first mentioned them. The are very similar to the Bowfins we have always had in Florida and I suspect that they have been in the wild for decades as the fish we thought were bowfins were way to large to actually be bowfins in many vases. We also have oscars as well as many cychlids, peacock bass and rainbow bass as well. So far I haven't seen any silver carp or big head carp but I'm sure they will do well here. We have a mule like Russian carp that was installed to stop certain weeds that get up to about 15 lbs.. And we have the lion fish in salt water in abundance. It adds to the sport of fishing. I say the more species the better. Pythons are common here and we have so many wild hogs that we sort of need the pythons to snag a few. Coyotes also are here as are armadillos which are also invaders. I still like them all.

  18. Re:Invasive obsession by towermac · · Score: 1

    the term you're looking for is 'white guilt'.

  19. Here's the problem by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Funny

    The Asian Carp tastes like shit. It's a greasy, nasty-tasting meat with a mushy texture. Maybe if you put enough breading and spices and deep fry it long enough, you might be able to turn it into a mystery meat and pass it off to someone starving.

    It sounds like a great idea, but no. Maybe it could be ground up and fed to cats or used as fertilizer. It would be preferable to then bread and deep fry the cat and eat that then to eat an Asian Carp.

    And before you tell me that they eat Asian Carp in some god-forsaken hell-hole on the other side in the world, I would also remind you that the same thing could be said about the cat.

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    1. Re:Here's the problem by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      It's a greasy, nasty-tasting meat with a mushy texture.

      McDonald's has made a fortune with that. A McSnakehead might appeal to kids and metal heads, if they included a toy with it.

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    2. Re:Here's the problem by gtall · · Score: 1

      I've eaten catfish...it is most tasteless excuse for a fish I've ever eaten. Maybe I ate the wrong kind, but if you have to spice it that much to make it palatable, I'll pass. Maybe if they got them to eat garlic, that would help.

    3. Re:Here's the problem by anjrober · · Score: 1

      i believe the previous post was saying they eat Cat, not catfish. the actual cat, like your pet.

      catfish can be prepared very nicely. its eaten all over the midwest and south. perfectly tasty fish.

      i eat about anything, but even i have to skip the actual cat. garfield can't be tasty.

    4. Re:Here's the problem by operagost · · Score: 1

      Snakeheads aren't carp. Snakeheads actually taste good.

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    5. Re:Here's the problem by Larryish · · Score: 1

      Put the live catfish in a bucket of water with a few handfuls of rock salt stirred in. Helps clear out the mud vein.

    6. Re:Here's the problem by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Big difference. I understand that snakehead is palatable if prepared well. Not so the Asian Carp, which can at best be camouflaged and even then has a bitter, cloying flavor.

      We've got them here in Chicago. I've tasted them. Awful.

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    7. Re:Here's the problem by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Oh man, catfish is terrific if prepared well. We had a thing here in Chicago where several top chefs were invited to prepare Asian Carp (because Lake Michigan and the rivers around here are full of 'em). Completely by accident, my wife and I happened upon this little competition/PR event, and got to taste some. Whew. The biggest challenge for the chefs was to cover their nasty smell, which doesn't go away when cooked.

      I've eaten all sorts of "garbage" fish, including smelt, caught fresh from Lake Michigan and fried on the spot in beer batter. Taste great.

      Man, you don't ever want to be in a position where you have to eat an Asian Carp.

      Plus, I understand that they have been jumping out of the water and attacking boaters. And they're ugly. These are some effed-up fish.

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    8. Re:Here's the problem by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Snails (escargo) suffer from the same problem.

      Oh man, I can eat me a mess of snails. My grandma used to make them in garlic and butter, called, "Babaluci" (pronounced, "babalooch"). You'd get a big dish of these little things and a pin to pull out the mean. I would eat them until I got dizzy.

      I'm actually drooling a little bit right now thinking about my grandma's babaluci Palermo.

      Also, "babalooch" is a Sicilian nickname for a really slow-moving lazy guy.

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  20. Not a new or unique solution by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 2

    Glenn Reynolds at Instapundit has been suggesting this approach for years with this and other invasive species. Ultimately it's the only way to go. When you say the fish "has no natural predators" - well, I know a *bunch* of potential predators....

  21. Eating Invasive species? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    but I dont want to eat Americans, they will be high in fat and taste horrible due to all the steroids and hormones they ingest in their meat and the beer that tastes like piss they drink.

  22. Almost there by nospam007 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now all we need is some invasive species of chips.

    1. Re:Almost there by suss · · Score: 1
  23. Encourage over fishing? by usuallylost · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I agree that eating the invasive fish is a good idea. After all if we didn't put catch limits, and encourage catch and release, on the normal game fish people would have fished them to extinction. So really all we have to do is convince people they are good eating and then make no efforts to protect the invasive fish. My guess is once it gets going people will gleefully over fish them. Just have to make sure people stick to the undesirable fish.

    I don't know about lion fish but both Asian carp and northern snakeheads are good to eat. They eat Asian carp extensively in China and the northern snakehead is commonly consumed in Thailand. I have seen them for sale in markets where the northern snakehead was stuffed with what looked like lemon grass, other herbs and covered in a layer of salt and then grilled. I never tried it simply because I am not keen on fish.

    1. Re:Encourage over fishing? by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 2

      I agree that eating the invasive fish is a good idea. After all if we didn't put catch limits, and encourage catch and release, on the normal game fish people would have fished them to extinction. So really all we have to do is convince people they are good eating and then make no efforts to protect the invasive fish. My guess is once it gets going people will gleefully over fish them. Just have to make sure people stick to the undesirable fish.

      I don't know about lion fish but both Asian carp and northern snakeheads are good to eat. They eat Asian carp extensively in China and the northern snakehead is commonly consumed in Thailand. I have seen them for sale in markets where the northern snakehead was stuffed with what looked like lemon grass, other herbs and covered in a layer of salt and then grilled. I never tried it simply because I am not keen on fish.

      A friend of mine regularly goes spear fishing after them. He swears they are tasty and good to eat. You just have to be careful with the spines when you clean these bad boys.

    2. Re:Encourage over fishing? by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      So really all we have to do is convince people they are good eating and then make no efforts to protect the invasive fish

      Oh, I'm sure the treehuggers will come out of the woodwork to protect the poor Northern SnakeHead and the Zebra mussel.

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  24. Re:Cat Food! by ihtoit · · Score: 1

    dunno about your cats but mine won't touch Mekong cobbler (a type of catfish the Vietnamese farm in massive numbers and sell at a rate which no other nation would find economically viable). Personally, I don't see anything wrong with it, you just have to not overpower it with flavour. Just a dash of cracked pepper, sprig or two of dill, lightly grill, jobbed.

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  25. Bioaccumulation Ahoy by Kanopy · · Score: 1

    If you're worried about too much mercury, just do what our forefathers did: Hang 'em up on a clothes line with their heads down, and when it gets below freezing, cut their heads off.

  26. Re:Invasive obsession by timrod · · Score: 2

    In many cases, the invasive species aren't competing to survive because they have no natural predators in the area, and the damage they do can go far beyond merely shoving out local species. Best example of this is the zebra mussel.

    Zebra mussels were originally from Russia, but are now on virtually every continent (after steadily invading various locations over the past 300 years) because of their tendency to attach themselves to the sides of ships and their ability to reproduce very quickly. They're a huge problem in a lot of places because they have no natural predators in those areas, and due to the fact that their larvae are microscopic can get into water treatment plants and power plants and clog up machinery. We've got a very good reason for not wanting zebra mussels to spread any more than they already have.

    Worst part is, you can't even eat them - they're too small.

  27. Re:What kind of fish? - Mozilla Bug? by sundarvenkata · · Score: 1

    I think it is a bug in Mozilla Firefox. Try copying the fish's name: "northern snakehead" from the NPR article in Firefox and pasting it

  28. Convince the Chinese ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... that it is an aphrodisiac. It'll be extinct in no time.

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  29. Geeks by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

    Geeks and fishing??/HAHAHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA
    cant get them out of the basement to get laid and we want geeks to fish now? lol

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  30. Being done in the Midwest by KindMind · · Score: 2

    Two Rivers Fisheries is already doing this - they fish for Asian Carp, and sell it overseas.

    Article about them

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  31. Re:Invasive obsession by tompaulco · · Score: 2

    Similar to this is when touring caves or something and they will point out people who signed the cave wall back in the 1800s, but you can't do that today. Somehow it is celebrated that present day people did that in the 1800s, but it is wrong for today's present day people to do that.

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  32. The damned things will just jump in your boat. by GrantRobertson · · Score: 2

    IIRC, when I first saw a video about these things, one of the problems is that when a motor boat goes by they will jump out of the water high and hard enough to injure people in the boat. In the video they were flying outta the water by the hundreds. All you gotta do is set up your nets to catch them in mid-air and "drive around" in your boat. No harm to the native species at all.