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Combating Recent, Ugly Incidents of Misogyny In Gamer Culture
ideonexus writes: 2490 gamers, developers and journalists have signed an open letter supporting inclusiveness in the gaming community after indie game developer Zoe Quinn received backlash and harassment when her ex-boyfriend posted false accusations that she traded sex for favorable reviews of her game and feminist critic Anita Sarkeesian was driven from her home after receiving death and rape threats for her videos illustrating the way some mainstream games encourage the commoditization of and violence against women. The harassment has prompted geek-dating advice columnist Harris O'Malley to declare the backlash the "Extinction Burst of Gaming Culture," the last reactionary gasp before the culture shifts to become more inclusive.
Here is comes, the endless misogyny of Slashdot is about to be unleashed in 3 ... 2 ...
Well said, whoever came up with that.
We'll get about 10 minutes of halfway-decent discussion and debate before the trolls descend and start upvoting blatantly misogynistic tripe.
"I'd just like to emphasise that taking a million years isn't a metaphor here..." -Rich Bradshaw
First articles here, then a new policy on Fark, and now yet another story about misogyny. It's a constant, subtle pressure in the background for Millenials that women are oppressed... so they'll march right to the polls in 2016. Just like if you opposed Barack Obama you were automatically a racist, by 2016 if you have any objections to Hillary Clinton, you'll be shouted and blogged down as a misogynist.
Like a kid asking for just 5 more minutes of TV time, or a 20 year long constant nagging for socialized medicine, eventually you chip away at the resolve of the unaware and get what you want.
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
There's no such thing as politically correct. There's no such thing as a right not to be offended. Both of these run counter to freedom of speech.
Nobody's going to force me to "include" people that I don't agree with, period. If you don't like it, fuck off.
That being said, the asshole ex-boyfriend should be turned into a eunuch and ridiculed for being such a wuss for the rest of his life.
I don't know anybody who has any idea who these people are, nor do they give one shit about any of this stuff. They just play games. I don't think these "cultures" and "communities" are nearly as big as people think they are. It's limited to a VERY small set of people commenting and participating in all this high-school drama. Of course, once it's on twitter and the internet in general, everyone thinks its way bigger than it actually is.
News flash -- It's not.
It doesn't seem to be pervasive. We've all seen the recent stats on similar stories. Over half of all gamers are female. Less than 1/5 are under the age 18. The stereotypical teenage boy gamer is a small component of the "gamer" culture.
I doubt this is "Misogyny In Gamer Culture". I think instead this is just a few vocal idiots.
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It wasn't just "false accusations" from her ex-boyfriend. It was accusations from many of her boyfriends and other people that she slept with coupled with her story not making any sense and having plenty of holes in it. Oh, and also no proof that any of it took place.
As for Anita Sarkeesian? Well, after seeing how lying about being a victim worked out so well for Zoe, it's not exactly a big stretch to say that maybe she did the same thing. I mean, all those tweets coming in, from only one user, faster than anyone could type them, and immediately after receiving them we're supposed to believe that Anita logged out of her account and just so happened to search for those exact tweets, then took a screenshot of them as proof that she was "stalked and driven from her home by a raid."
There's a few things that aren't adding up here.
Of course geeks are misogynistic, they think so highly of their intelligence that when they get shot down by women due to their poor social skills, they think it's the womans' fault. They also hate gays because they get more action and have an easier time interacting with both genders.
People who write about things often have a different perspective and different expectations than people engaged in the things being written about. They also forget that most of "gamer culture" literally doesn't care about the perceived issues and just plays games. You can't argue with or change someone who just plain ignores you.
Oh look a couple of the billion plus guys on the internet behaved badly, therefore all men are misogamists and gaming culture hates women.
I game with many women who have never had a problem in online gaming in almost 2 decades. Of course, they also don't run blogs saying how awful guys are or intentionally troll chatrooms baiting people so they have something to post.
It's easy to complain, but difficult to do something yourself. Wouldn't it be nice instead of signing "open letters" or some other meaningless paperwork that developers and their supporters actually create the games they dream about? If there is the supposed conscience of the inclusion issues, I'm sure there is a market for their games, too. What's stopping them from developing them? And please act like a democratic and tolerant citizen and not tell the other part of the gaming community which games they are allowed to like or don't like, or developers which games they are allowed to develop.
...the obnoxious, stupid, piggish behavior will just take on a more inclusive veneer, as it does with other forms of commercial art (music, movies, tv, etc.)
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How the fuck is anyone expected to know what the truth is here? Maybe he lied, maybe she whored herself out.
"Eve of Destruction", it's not just for old hippies anymore...
Can we have a week without yet another feminist whining about those nasty nerds? Stick this in some feminist blog.
> the "Extinction Burst of Gaming Culture," the
> last reactionary gasp before the culture shifts
> to become more inclusive.
Nah. The separation of tracks; there will always be the boys-sticks-guns track, the one optimized for bullying, recruitment and training.
I believe the message behind inclusiveness for all is reasonable. I'm not really sure what the petition aims to do other than restate what all the people who signed have probably already posted to twitter or something. Unless the can get developers of the AAA titles to go along with this movement or trying for some regulatory law to force something to change I do not understand what they are after. And you should be ready for some trolls to stop by because this just seems to me like fuel than actually presenting a message.
Gamers in particular are super huge dickheads.
So TFS says that the accusations regarding Zoe Quinn were false. I hadn't heard this bit yet, is the article linked to actually confirmation of that? Sorry, I'd read the articles for myself but work filters are a PITA. The last I had heard was that the guy who writes for RPS and Kotaku had confirmed their sexual relationship.
I honestly don't care about her sex life or lack there of. The only thing of interest to me is a "journalist" possibly sleeping with a person with whom he should have a more professional relation ship with, and not disclosing that fact when making mention of her work, whether positive or negative.
What about the Misandry everywhere, boys and men are almost like scum, if your not attractive to a woman you are creepy (good luck with anything at this point). We have let the politically correct politicians (liars) destroy everything else, now they have their sights on a fantasy realm. first fark, whats next, slashdot, /b/, hell are they going to try and take porn away because it demeans women. Well I dont have a point but fuck this shit and fuck it hard!
I doubt it. According to feminists, any male-dominated groups are inherently misogynist and have to be destroyed or forcibly 'feminized'. Of course women-only communities are just fine and example of woman empowerment.
I agree,
every molehill is a mountain on the internet.
Yeah, its an old and outdated concept. But its practically instinctive male behavior. Stepping up and confronting a threat to prove your machismo. Not necessarily violently, but I'd expect at least a few guys to step up and tell the dickheads to shut the f* up.
Have gnu, will travel.
The backlash had nothing to do with misogyny or sexism.
The fact is over the past year or so more and more evidence has come to light showing that games journalists are blatantly accepting 'gifts' (read: bribes) in return for favourable reviews and positive coverage of games, or sometimes just giving coverage to games developed by their friends. Then when faced with this the gaming journalists insist that these people are just attacking the developers or themselves, throwing words like 'entitled', 'misogyny' and of course 'nerd'.
Its a joke that they even call themselves journalists, they're just enthusiasts who write about their hobby, and as the industry has grown their ad revenue has become large enough for them to make a living from. If this happened in the 'real world' between 'real journalists' and a company there would be uproar
It's all about Zoe's popularity, pure and simple.
Some guys like nerdy chicks with big fat butts, some don't.
End of story.
Face it. Outside of large conventions for the unwashed masses, chance meetings at stores selling games, and the odd discussion forum on the Internet, gaming culture has been dead for decades.
One might argue the recent rise of "Let's Plays" and the popularity of game streaming is less an independent phenomenon and more a desperate attempt to connect with someone, anyone, who plays the same games you do. What a world we live in.
I have big issues with suggestions that games promote violence against women.
Most games promote nothing. Collectively they involve a lot of violence.
Some of that violence is against women. Most of it is against men. For instance earlier today I launched a major offensive against a 28000 man army, slaughtering around 79% of the enemy and losing a third of my own men. No women were harmed.
Perhaps someone standing up in public screaming 'me me me' shouldn't be surprised when some fuckwit goes 'yeah, you'. Just keep the rest of us out of it.
I knew it was going downhill for a long time, now it's dead, because it's been taken over by the Social Justice Warriors.
That's pretty laughable given the amount of evidence. Her ex-boyfriend didn't post false accusations. Among the things that were posted were Zoe's own words, tweets, facebook message, ok cupid posts, etc. Is Slashdot also ran by SJW's that refuse to see things for what they really are?
The author of the Vice article also has connections to Zoe Quinn, Anita, and the other white knight/SJW "journalists." Did you not even bother doing research on this before making a crap slashdot post?
That's the beauty of facts. They still remain facts even if you disagree with them.
Because I would like to buy a copy to ensure further development. Could probably stretch to top 5.
According to Sarkeesian, it is purely for, and because of, misogyny.
Men being tortured, murdered, or just plain treated as being mentally deficient by the magic of a y chromosome (to be "kept in line" by a female handler of some sort) however, is seen as just a normal state of things. It's just a game after all.
Where I'm from, we call this a double standard.
There are two kinds of people... those who have a vagina, and those who have been to the moon.
Although, if we went to the moon today, it would be one black woman, one Indian (casino Indian, not helpdesk Indian), one Indian (helpdesk Indian, not casino Indian) one "Mexican American" (extra points if "undocumented") a white woman, and a black man.
Having agreed with her boyfriend that part of informed consent requires sexual fidelity, she proceeded to sleep around. When she subsequently fucked her boyfriend it was therefore without his informed consent, and thus -- by modern SJW standards -- rape.
Zoe Quinn is a rapist. There is no way around this.
Tubal-Cain smokes the white owl.
After magically finding a rape threat 13 seconds after it went down, while not logged into Twitter, we believe every implausible lie out of this woman's mouth.
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I thought it was well established that her ex's blog post was truthful, especially as it includes screenshots and other forms of evidence.
Can anyone link us to the explanation of how those were lies?
What's false, apparently, is the accusation that she got any publicity from their relationship. Apparently, the guy never wrote a review of her game. A quick google search seems to confirm this (the guy's name is Nathan Grayson if you want to confirm for yourself). You will find a couple of articles where he mentions the game in passing (for example, this one). According to his twitter feed, though, that was posted before they had a relationship.
Instead of saying that those accusations were false, Zoe Quinn and co. proceeded to delete everything, ban everybody from gaming zine-s who talked about it. Zoe Quinn herself never said that those accusations are false.
Attack against her was not because shes a woman, or that she sleeps around. She sleeped around with people who worked in gaming news sites that hyped her game. That`s why.
In every thread or site or blog dissing here, there is zero hate because shes a woman, nobody cares about her gender. Gender is not the issue, it never was.
Other things about her have also surfaced. Like she harassed thefineyoungcapitalists, who were women devs BTW. Same women who gaming news sites want to protect, but refused to publish their side of the story because "You don`t talk about Zoe Quinn`s bad behavior". Or how she sexually harassed someone in her wedding.
They're going to create a BS tornado...
Except this has nothing to do with Hillary and everything to do you misogynist shits.
And for the record, I can't stand Hillary, as far as I'm concerned she's just another Reaganite Neo-Con. She's damaged goods and people didn't want more of W, skirt or no.
A YouTuber by the name of InternetAristocrat has 3 videos on this matter. It's worth watching these to fully understand the details of this situation. Part 1 Part 2 Part 3
It was supposed to be romantic. It was our last night together before he left on a plane, not to see me for months, and we were about to get groovy.
We were under the stars, kissing and holding each other and spending a long time on the perfect foreplay. It was fucking amazing. We were ready to fuck like animals and to make sweet love all at once.
We were naked and touching each other to build up suspense, and he began to finger me hard, leaving me moaning, but with an... odd... sensation as well.
"There's something inside you," he said.
"There's nothing, don't stop," I replied, uneasily.
"No, there's something inside you. It feels plastic."
Horror chills my veins. It had been about two weeks since my period. But I knew then that I had left my menstrual cup (basically a plastic cup for blood/period gunk not to be left in longer than 12 hours) in for the past 14 days.
IDIOTICALLY, I asked him to help me remove it so we could continue. MOTHER OF GOD... it smelled like an eviscerated decomposing body mixed with rotting broccoli, sewage, and rotting eggs ALL IN ONE. And the smell DID NOT GO AWAY. I threw out the cup and its contents, but the stench of 14 day old rotting blood and uterine gunk is not one that fades easily. I could tell my squeamish boyfriend was trying extremely hard not to lose his shit and vomit. But it only got worse from there.
The stench would not leave, and it was coming from my vagina. To try and bring the mood back, I went to the bathroom to try and freshen up. He joined me, perhaps to make me feel less disgusting. Bad idea. With a feeling like an impending queef but somehow thicker, my vagina suddenly emptied a massive glob of this filth and it splattered a surprisingly large amount of brown rotted uterine filth all over my poor boyfriend's leg... He practically ran home.
I read "false accusations" in the summary. So then it turned out that that ex made up the whole thing about Zoe cheating on him with 5 guys in the video game industry?
Monitor all males in real time and if they break the rules, either they get 10 years in prison or they lose an eye. Either one.
Why do you think there are a LOT of men that are misogynists?
I don't often encounter them in real life. Sure there are some out there, but it's a huge stretch to claim that there are a lot of men that dislike women.
Some people get online and become complete and utter sociopaths.
This is in fact what people are missing - a lot of online trolls are not truly misogynists. Or that is to say, they will screw with everyone equally or whoever they can get the biggest rise out of.
In real life they may well not be misogynists at all, as you say some people get online and they turn into something different and almost inhuman in the resolve to cause pain and distress. The kind of trolls that went after Robin William's daughter after his death - that's not being a misogynist, that's being an asshole.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I generally dont keep up on this stuff, but the post by Zoe's ex was filled with actual proof that she is apparently unbelievably manipulative. I didnt see any rebuttals, either-- just complaints that he crossed a line by posting private conversations. That can be argued, but noone seems to deny the accusations.
I didnt get to the parts about accusing her of trading sex for reviews or anything, but shes not the shining champion of feminist rights that you want.
I can't help but wondering if there is something to the gaming community that attracts a higher percentage of weirdoes than usual? We have this rampant and unabashed misogyny thing first, and then the fact that a large proportion of the most popular games seem to have come out of the minds of people with a penchant for ultraviolent pornography that would make even the ISIS barbarians flinch with disgust.
There's no such thing as free speech outside of the government. There's no such thing as a right to be heard. Both of these run counter to private property law.
Nobody's going to force safe spaces to "include" viewpoints that threaten their members, period. If you don't like it, fuck off.
That being said, the manchildren who are making very public death threats should heed the warnings of previous generations of manchildren. DON'T MESS WITH FOOTBALL.
I'm guessing the article was written by someone that was just born. It has existed forever in gaming. My wife is a gamer chick and back in the 80's she had to deal with this crap.
It's not only video games. she used to play MTG in tournaments 8 years ago (She has a 4 digit DCI number), last time she played she was harassed several times by the low IQ morons that are prevalent in society to the point that she refuses to play it ever again.
This crap is not new, what is needed is people finding these scumbags that pull this crap on girls/women and beating the shit out of them.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Could her negative attention have something to do with her being a scam artist and fraud and not a women?
According to her if a women is killed in a game (where men are also killed ) she points out the part that fits her selective bias, and leaves out the part that don't fit in her naive narrative.
No one should be threatened, but something about "twitter threats" sending a person into hiding is laughable, and seems like more professional victimhood from Sarkeezian.
Shame on you, ideonexus for writing this blatantly biased and false article, and shame on you Soulskill for posting it.
There are no fake allegations, there are only facts. Get them straight and stop spinning shit in someone else's favor.
Or is Slashdot to be heaped together with the whole lot of these supposed journalistic sites like Kotaku?
I expected better from you.
Yes, some people will take any stance to make a buck.
Question, why do you (generally speaking) feel the need to lump all the people who disagree with you together into one group, give that group a sarcastic name, and then abbreviate that name into an acronym which you can then use as a accusatory label whenever the subject comes up for discussion?
It sounds like the kind of thing my old paranoid-schizophrenic girlfriend would do when talking about "them", but i presume you are not mentally ill, so there must be some other reason for it. Is it some kind of bonding thing between people who feel threatened by others? Or do you believe that by creating the appearance of some kind of organized opposition that you will sway "neutral" parties toward your side? It just sounds dumb to me, but maybe i'm not the intended audience?
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1. Chivalry was actual a battle code, and had little to do with women 2. What you're talking about is "courtship" a set of rules, written by women, about how men are supposed to act around them to gain their favor (favor defined as vaginas) 3. "courtship" was an unwritten social contract for BOTH sexes. Ergo a man acted like a gentleman to win the favor of a lady. HOWEVER, it required women to ACT LIKE A GODDAMN LADY. 4. Acting like a goddamn lady includes not taking nude selfies, not being a slut, and realizing that you're not a man's equal and you need his protection because he possesses, at all times, the physical capability to take what he wants from you (yes, rape). 5. Modern, slutty, women have broken this social contract by virtue (or lack therefore) of their sluttiness, and push for equality. Therefore men are no longer beholden to it. So where are the chivalrous men? They're lying atop the dustbin of history. Although, sadly, their are some idiots who still hold to their half of the bargain while women REFUSE to hold to theirs. We call these men betas. They're so pathetically ego-invested in chivalry that they can't see that it's null and void. Sounds like your'e one of them...or you're a lady who desperately wants men to hold their half of the bargain up because it's hella-advantegeous to you.
lol that's terrible and hilarious.
Unsurprisingly, the comments on this post very quickly devolved to complete crap.
Every potential point of worthy discussion was immediately followed by name-calling or victim-bashing.
It's entirely possible for injustice to be served in the name of justice, which is what most of the gnashing of teeth is about. But you don't serve your cause if you claim injust claims of misogyny and then IMMEDIATELY turn around and call the people involved "whores".
..MOST mainstream games encourage the commoditization of and violence against EVERYONE. Men, women, small pets, inanimate objects.....
I doubt it. According to feminists, any male... [is] inherently misogynist and have to be destroyed or forcibly 'feminized'.
FTFY.
An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
Just came across this on The Daily Beast. Basically it's a myth that women get more abuse than men online, and it may in fact be the opposite.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/04/men-are-harassed-more-than-women-online.html
Without knowing about any of the original controversies, my first impression was uh oh, more extremely vocal feminists claiming their shit smells more than everyone else's. Reading some of the above comments, I feel pretty comfortable with that assumption. Just checked out some of the linked videos, and man, I'm sorry, but getting lessons on misogyny from a feminist who shaves and pencils-in her eyebrows, that's just about worthless to me. It's a bit hypocritical, I think, and I have no sympathy for her plight.
Here's the thing: there are male tropes too. If you want to pick apart pop culture, TV, games, movies, and say women aren't pictured accurately, well, try looking at the men too, and you'll find different but equally dumb tropes.
Is there any evidence that it's a such concentrated effort to imply a genuine, heartfelt hatred of women (misogyny)? You would really have to stretch your rationale and ignore massive amounts of evidence to the contrary to assert that there's a pervasive vein of misogyny growing throughout nerd/gamer culture.
Yes, some male gamers will use derogatory words to intentionally offend women. And men. And transgendered people. And dogs. And the dead. And the not-yet-living. And mythical characters.
If there's any cultural bias against any one group, it's the group that "pissing us off right now". And "women-as-a-whole" have never been that group.
It has nothing to do with women as a whole, but a targeted hatred at people who happen to be women.
It doesn't matter who you are. Male, female, man, woman, gay, straight, asexual, black, white, brown, Asian, American, French, German, Argentinian-- if you piss off nerds and they come after you, you can be fairly certain it has nothing to do with your immutable characteristics and everything to do with your actions. You can try to hide behind immutable characteristics as a means of suggesting some sort of irrational bias, but nerds, by their very nature, are too damn smart to fall for that.
I don't agree with treating women like crap because they're women. That said, throwing out the misogyny card because someone said something mean during a nasty breakup is really, really dumb. Toughen up and put your big girl pants on. People are mean and aren't always going to be nice to you. Deal with it.
In particular, Sarkeesian spreads misandrism and hate. She is an accomplished manipulator an routinely distorts the truth. There is no reliable indication that she was "forced from her home" and plenty of indications she may have orchestrated that. It is also quite clear that she profits hugely from what has allegedly happened.
What I find really surprising is how so many people fall for this con-artist. It seems people are stupid.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
I'm not going to sit here and pretend that there isn't a clear movement of Misogyny in gaming. There is. However, in recent days there has been a pretty obvious movement of race-baiting and all out racism towards anyone that disagrees with having a more inclusive gaming environment for women. This seems to be something that none of the reports concerning this 'GamerGate' stuff has addressed.
Multiple articles, nearly all made by women have pushed the same fallacy: Those that do not support women in gaming secretly want to keep the industry dominated by white-males. A stretch at best but fair enough. It's their opinion. I don't exactly feel that's grounds for whites and minority gamers to get riled up for just yet...But wait, there's more....
Multiple people on social media have pointed out that questioning columnists and developers on this subject simply leads to more race baiting and all out racism. Many minority gamers that have questioned the race-baiting have been attacked with claims that they are in fact, not minorities but are white-male gamers impersonating minorities.
One developer who was asked by a minority why they should support a movement that uses racism as a false guise for gender equality, the developer wrote back: "You don't matter'
Another developer who was asked attacked a gamer claiming he was "White sewer shit" and that he should "STFU, I'm a developer".
And just to take the trophy home, this comment by a supporter: "Women that support the video games and gamers are no different than House Niggers during slavery"
Posting anon because I enjoy my job.
For some reason, slashdot has mostly ignored this topic for the past couple weeks, and now we get an article that revels in moralistic naysaying while ignoring what keeps this going.
The recent "ugliness" is not just a product of sexism and misogyny. To be fair, women have been harassed. To be even more fair, not all women who have been harassed have been harassed by "gamers".
The fiasco that has now grown into "Gamergate" (not my term) is not easy to relate in few words, but I will summarize that it is a reaction by enthusiast gamers against a clique of prominent video games journalists, writers, and indie developers who have been using their personal connections to promote each other's works and political ideology, as well as exclude those who do not toe the line.
It began when the ex-boyfriend of indie developer Zoe Quinn made a blog post detailing with evidence how Ms Quinn cheated on him with at least five other people, as well as perceived attempts by her to emotionally manipulate him. (http://thezoepost.wordpress.com/) Among individuals named in the post were Nathan Grayson (a writer for Gawker Media's Kotaku and former writer at Rock, Paper, Shotgun) and Robin Arnott (a judge at the Indiecade independent games competition that later went on to give Ms Quinn's game an award). Initially, this post was ignored by games journalists, and was circulated in online gaming forums. However, many forums deleted any and all topics concerning the matter, including the largest reddit thread deletion in history (with over 20K comments deleted; http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/2dz0gs/totalbiscuit_discusses_the_state_of_games/) concerning youtube commentator TotalBiscuit's response to Ms Quinn allegedly using a false DMCA request to take down one of the first videos discussing the subject (http://themundanematt.tumblr.com/post/95428752119/dmca-notice-and-removal).
Investigation by redditors and members of various boards on 4chan soon uncovered that Ms Quinn allegedly pointed her twitter followers to critique a new game charity designed to help female game designers have their ideas actualized because she felt the charity's profit-motivated goals and its policy towards transwomen (biological males who identify as women) were oppressive (http://static.fjcdn.com/large/pictures/60/24/6024fb_5271447.jpg). When the creator of the charity attempted to seek promotion from major gaming journalist sites, he was told that since Ms Quinn had issues with the charity, no promotion would be possible (knowyourmeme.com/photos/814183-quinnspiracy).
While specific written pieces promoting Ms Quinn's work were actually short in supply, further investigations showed that the relationships of other journalists to their subjects were less tenuous. Patricia Hernandez of Kotaku was shown through previous twitter conversations to have lived with and possibly had a romantic relationship with Anne Anthropy, an indie developer she directly promoted in several articles. Ben Kuchera of Polygon, among others, was shown to be a supporter of Ms Quinn on Patreon, a site designed to crowd-fund stipends to content-creators. In response to these issues, the two above mentioned games journalism sites posted clarifications and/or updates to their positions on conflicts of interest, noting that they would attempt more honest journalism in the future, as well as in the case of Kotaku disallowing writers to contribute to subjects' Patreon accounts.
This is when hell started breaking loose. Prominent games journalists and indie developers cried out on twitter that Kotaku and Polygon
'Nuff said.
This isn't about Zoe Quinn. This is about Gamers being bullied and their hobby being culturally colonised by corrupt hypocrites.
Gamers are the victims here. The people crying misogyny are the real bigots. Look up the harshtags #Gamergate and especially #notyourshield on twitter to get a real feel for what is going on here.
May the Maths Be with you!
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
Feminism (n)
: the belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
These search results on the One Angry Gamer website about The Fine Young Capitalists game dev team (who also happen to be women, some might remember them as the team who wrote the game Depression Quest), who got blackballed by unscrupulous writers for a handful of well-known gaming and tech review outfits because of the second-rate "escapades" of one Zoe Quinn and her "relations" with several of them. Ironically, it was 4chan who stepped up to raise $5,000 to fund them when the rest of the community dropped them like a sack of shit because of Ms. Quinn and her "conspirators' " favoritism. PS quotes=sexual escapades and pillow talk railroading.
Somehow being unregistered with this website makes me ball-less and unwilling to speak up, and even if I did register I'd still be nothing more than an online handle. Funny haha, not quite hehe though.
The proof exists and is proliferate, I don't particularly care to compile any sort of list here, because even if I did people like those above would not pay it any heed. They are, like most people who actually have an opinion on this issue, absorbed and blinded by the sensationalized atmosphere of misoginistic accusations and threats by stupid people and white-knighting for the people actually at fault by stupider people.
What will be the apex and turning point of this situation, however, is when the advertisers who allow these people to exist get letters expressing how many of us will not visit these websites that have discarded their journalistic integrity, and how their ads will not be seen anymore. They get upset over that, and because ads make most of the money for popular websites that provide no profitable service, advertisers will eventually pull support.
Those responsible for this drama and nonsense will eventually get what they deserve, whether it comes from the gaming journalism industry reforming itself (doubtful, it's like asking a lobotomy patient to just 'find' the functions of his transorbital lobe somewhere within himself, because you can do it!) or from the financial end of the machine.
Jesus, why in the FUCK does this Zoe Quinn person keep coming up in all my news feeds. I don't give ONE SINGLE SHIT about this girl. What in the fuck has she even done to demand all this publicity? Made some stupid "game" about depression? Who fucking cares!
Why do I get the feeling she is probably just LOVING all this publicity, negative OR positive! It's just like in high-school -- one of those depressed losers who has no talent, but needs their existence validated in any way possible.
What is going on with slashdot lately? "Politically Correct" is a different type of PC.
Oh boy! Yet another round of feminist bashing coming to the comments section on this story. I can just see it now. A whole lot of comments that begin with the ominous words "I'm no misogynist, but..." Well, go ahead, have at it boys. Stick a fork in it. This one is well past done.
You can watch it going down on 4chans /pol/ sometimes /v/
Games and gamer culture were already well on their way to inclusion of females in various contexts long before the Anitas and Zoes were out of diapers, and will likely continue unabated despite them and their detractors. From players to developers, to games specifically gender-neutral or targeted towards women, it's already happening. That a small percentage of games cater to a certain male-dominated demographic (which has been around since the dawn of gaming), or contain certain representations which some females find offensive for whatever reason, shouldn't paint the rest of the industry as non-inclusive. Personally, even as a male, I don't care for those games; I find them base and puerile, but I deal with it simply by not buying or playing them. I certainly don't care if they are made or if anyone else plays them or not.
The vast majority of gamers either don't know about this crap or don't care -- they just want to be left alone to enjoy their hobby without a bunch of culture warrior idiots and douchebags telling them "you're over" and screwing with the games they are harmlessly enjoying. That is what I think tends to infuriate gamers which would otherwise have no issues whatsoever with the smooth transition of games and gamer culture from being nearly completely male-dominated for decades to one of gender balance which represents everyone fairly, if not equally.
In short, everyone needs to step back and take a god damned breather, put all this bullshit into perspective, and move on into the future. Trust me, it's going to be just fine for everyone involved with respect to games.
-SS "Teach the ignorant, care for the dumb, and punish the stupid."
Please fact check.
a. Being offensive is not the same as being offended.
b. Rights are not the sole consideration. There is also politeness.
The first question would be whether the person being offensive would say the same things on a public street corner. People who are offensive tend to be a lot more insistent upon their claimed "Rights" when they have anonimity.
The next question would be whether they'd say it alone on a public street corner. The people from Westboro Baptist Church seem to be focused on being offensive. Which is why they "protest" in groups.
If you cannot pass both those tests then you are being "offensive" and your goal is to offend someone else. So do not try the "no freedom of speech" argument.
The guy standing on the street corner telling the world about how the government is tracking him through his dental fillings is doing more for "freedom of speech" than the guy screaming "fucking jew whore" when his character is shot in a video game.
The proof exists and is proliferate, I don't particularly care to compile any sort of list here, because I can't
Fixed that for you.
Evidence or GTFO.
Required reading for internet skeptics
She's so annoying! I think I would watch those videos but I just can't take it! She's the worst! Anybody that thinks they hate her for being a woman or whatever is misinterpreting their feelings; they are simply totally annoyed!
Self-professed feminists like Ms Quinn and Sarkeesian are little better than the Al Sharptons or Westboro Baptist Churches of the world. They promote themselves as a protected class who are being exploited or otherwise harassed by "them" and demand retribution or special treatment. Should someone have the audacity to point his out then that heretic is immediately branded a racist, misogynist, or any other term suitable for silencing critics.
Human equality is something we all should strive for. The problem is that certain people don't want equality, they want preferential treatment as well as an easy way to profit from riling up the masses.
If you mean in Youtube comments, please. Those are a shit show of the worst of humanity. Most people do not care to wade in to that. If you do, ok good on you, but you shouldn't be surprised that most don't.
If you mean in games, well most of us don't see it, probably because we don't hang out with people like that and would call them out if they did. Assholes tend to operate where they can be assholes, and if they don't think they can get away with it they won't. I've not encountered people harassing women in the games I've played. The reason is probably because the kind of groups/guilds that I'm interested in joining are not the kind that would tolerate such things.
None of these articles address the other side of the argument. They label the other side, berate that side and just move on.
Zoei isn't even the main issue, it is corruption causing misinformation from people whom you should be able trust. It does not matter what Zoei used to bribe the journalists with (ie sex, money, favors, influence, or puppys) the fact that they were bought. Not to say Zoei does not have her own problems to answer for such as lying, rape (by her standards), infidelity and the most ironic is misogyny toward other female developers. The journalists instead of a calm reasonable discourse opted instead for childish name calling such as nerd, geek, basement dweller, and misogynists. These people are going out of their way to harass users with the opposing position, so far as to bully other journalists in their own organizations to do it.
Anita is just a convenient tack on to this, to make this seem more like a backlash to feminism. Again her supporters never address the real issues. Such as picking a ten second scene out of a nine hour game, stealing other people's work without credit, inciting the more violently vocal of her detractors to harass her to raise money, poor quality of work and lying about her self to for financial support (saying she was a gamer than later admitting to not being one), and lying about game mechanics (Hitman, yes the score decreases.) As for the death threats, I believe her, the gamer population is high enough that if one in a thousand people who play games threaten her, her inbox would be flooded. However she is not taking them seriously but she is using that as a tool to get more money.
People who look at this and see that I disagree with their point of view can say "you are a misogynistic basement dweller nerd" claiming victory in the mind of themselves and their peers.
I don't know about you, but every time I get online I see flaming everywhere. Message boards, gaming, politics... Doesn't matter. Per the internet, everybody is a noob, living in their mom's basement, unemployable, unfuckable, uneducated, jersey shore wannabe, loser. People latch on to whatever makes the target of their hatred different, and attack it. It is not some special case of misogyny because it affects every individual equally, regardless of sex. The fact that there are fewer women in gaming just makes sex 1 trait of many that makes some people different than others, and therefore a "legitimate" avenue of attack.
Misogyny, or the perception of misogyny, is a problem throughout society and is in no way exclusive to gaming. Focusing on gaming specifically is counterproductive because it implies a lack of focus on the cause of the misogyny, which is almost definitely from outside of gaming.
I doubt it. According to feminists, any male-dominated groups are inherently misogynist and have to be destroyed or forcibly 'feminized'. Of course women-only communities are just fine and example of woman empowerment.
The imbalance of positions allows for an imbalance in the effects seemingly equal exclusions have on other groups. The group that is "in power" naturally has an advantage over the minority groups. The majority group excluding a minority causes more harm to the minority than a minority group excluding a majority member causes to the majority.
If exclusion is the proverbial "shot across the bow" with sexism in gaming, you're talking about an Iowa class Battleship vs. a Walther ppk.
Anita Sarkeesian seems to dislike the idea that female Vietnamese prostitutes try to be enticing to American soldiers and speak in broken English. Oh, the horror of it! Of course, Vietnamese prostitutes should speak with Oxford diction and kick butt like Sigourney Weaver! And pandering to the desires of heterosexual males, I mean, what's the world coming to!
One thing Sarkeesian should do is work on her misandrism, objectification, and stereotyping of men, starting with the images of fat, lazy male gamers she keeps flashing in the background. The way she stereotypes and puts down men is offensive. And she should work on actually making a point instead of just rambling on.
I'm getting tired of these indie hipsters and their SJW bullshit infiltrating the video game world. Anita Sarkeesian is not a video gamer. Zoe Quinn is not a game designer (no, a point-and-click webpage is not a damn video game). There is no "rampant" misogyny (which is defined as dislike for, or contempt for, women). There however, is rampant misandry coming from outsiders.
I'm also getting tired of video game websites and so called "journalists" who are more interested in spouting off moon-battery then actually reviewing games (e.g. Rock Paper Gloria Steinem with resident moonbat John Walker, Kotaku with resident moonbat Patricia Hernandez (http://kotaku.com/a-game-that-wants-to-teach-women-how-to-masturbate-511971045)).
....they weren't false allegations...
Regardless of the he-said/she-said of this whole thing, the part that I think would be of most interest of slashdotter's is Zoe Quinn's use of the DMCA to quash discussion about this situation which she did not like. Regardless of the truth of the matter, the fact that she did this (to me) speaks volumes about her character. Total Biscuit can summarize this better than I can, and also has a very levelheaded take on the situation :
Total Biscuit TwitLonger "What the Hell Just Happened"
Why is it that whenever someone points out there is no right to not be offended, they follow it up by immediately asserting their right to not be offended? Don't like calls for inclusion? Fuck off.
It's filled with a bunch of whining ass crybaby misogynists. Seriously guys, grow the fuck up. And I don't think I've ever seen so many own goals as your attempts to deflect criticism by nitpicking and throwing dirt. Not to mention death and rape threats - not cool.
"Literally the only thing relevant in any of that is that she had sex with the reviewer, and that's only relevant if she did so before the review came out."
No, it would be quite relevant if she had sex with the reviewer AFTER the review came out also. A "favor" is a bribe and corruption is rife within the gaming journalism industry. Zoe Quinn deserves every bit of scorn she gets.
A person who offers a bribe is just as culpable as the person who takes the bribe.
If I ask for money or something else from YOU, as a payment for some favor, that's extortion and the burden of guilt is on ME.
If YOU offer me money or something else, ASKING for a favor in return, that's a BRIBE and the burden of guilt is on YOU.
Up to that point, I am free and clear.
If I do decide to ACCEPT the bribe, then there is a burden of OFFERING a bribe on you, and a separate burden of ACCEPTING a bribe on me.
If I give you favors in return for the bribe there is ADDITIONAL burden on me for abuse of position/authority.
Neither of which exculpates you for your crime. You still carry the burden of offering the bribe.
There is an another scenario where one person offers a favor or money or something else of value as a gift, but later demands favors in return on account of that gift.
Maybe threatening to reveal the "gift" to a third party as something other than just a gift, or demanding to have it returned or paid for.
That's blackmail, and the burden is entirely on the gift-giver/blackmailer.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
I mean come on, only one side of the story, as every other online publication. For shame.
Who knows if Slashdot is one of their allies. I can't trust this site now.
Meanwhile most men aren't on a fucking battleship, so why is it perfectly acceptable to shoot them with a Walther ppk?
Sorry but no.
Watch with an open mind. Do not follow the masses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57tXyqPCOCM&list=UUmb8hO2ilV9vRa8cilis88A
Dear Gamers "threatened" by Ms Quinn and by Ms Sarkeesian,
Get a life! You're mean, and those are just computer games.
Best wishes,
Confused human who is living a life (and treats computer games as mere entertainment)
When in doubt, go to the library. - Ron Weasley in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets
Watch Quinnspiracy Theory. It starts off like a crazy conspiracy theory but he supports it and I would actually like to hear all of the stuff addressed by those on the "Zoe Quin" side.
Another second video presenting it in a bit different layout: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
All I've taken away from this is that this generation is starting to learn why Journalism is hard. If you want to be taken seriously and get the benefits of being 'media' you need to behave like media. Something tells me Barbra Walters didn't fuck her way to her position.
It seems that the only response to the damning behaviour against these women, is to jump up and down pointing at something else, trying feebly to ignore the subject. We'll done to us all gentlemen, well done!
...both parties being on equal footing, so that the solicited side can refuse the offer without suffering any consequence.
"Pay me and I'll eat your vegetables and you can tell our mother you ate them."
"Pay me, stranger, and I'll give you sexual favors."
In the context of the discussion about BRIBES, there is an implied imbalance of power.
You don't pay a bribe to a prostitute to HAVE SEX (same footing), you pay it LATER so said prostitute KEEPS QUIET (imbalance of power).
Due to the same kind of imbalance of power, a politician coming to your workplace and offering his/her favors in exchange for money is not soliciting but extorting a bribe.
The siblings metaphor gets an added "...and if you talk about it, just wait until mom and dad go to work and we're alone."
Politician does not even have to imply a possible setback for your business or an unexpected windfall for your competition.
Or simpler...
A cop who pulls you over offers to waive the $200 fine for X if you make a $100 or higher donation to Retired Policemen Fund.
Solicitation implies that you have a choice in the matter.
Imbalance of power in the situation assures that you don't.
Ergo, you are being extorted.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
if they want to be included in a society of and expect to come away clean.
Playing an FPS does not make me a murderer. In the same way playing GTA does not make me a misogynist (and murderer). Despite the premise of the thread's title, most of us know the difference between the game world and the real world.
makes me tune out neo-feminists. Good job at alienating someone that willing to agree with you about inclusiveness.
Works for me all the time. Glad I'm not in your guilds. Who needs all the drama. Can't be distracted during boss fight.
http://games.slashdot.org/comm...
For fucks sake.
Stop posting on this topic, it's been hijacked by nutcases on both ends of the spectrum, let it DIE.
Meanwhile most men aren't on a fucking battleship, so why is it perfectly acceptable to shoot them with a Walther ppk?
Sorry but no.
Because men control most things on this planet (including the gaming industry), and because the dominant group tends to favor the dominant group's traits, yes, men are on a battleship. They're born there, live there, and die there. Just like whites have distinct societal advantages over blacks in the US, men have advantages over women.
As in any other situation, banding together allows the members to pool their strength. Women's only groups assist inherently disadvantaged women to compete with men in the industry. They level the playing field. A men's only group helps the already dominant group, thus perpetuating the imbalance.
The comments on this page have been loathesome, and I will no longer visit this site (slashdot.com) or any other sites associated with Dice Holdings as a result of them.
Myu:
It's NOT acceptable. Most of what trolls do isn't. It's terrible crap designed to garner as much attention as possible. Nobody likes trolls.
The problem is that now they're equivilating intelligent opposition to the trolls.
Let's say there's a legitimate (political or otherwise) debate going on. During the debate, some troll heckler - who has no interest or stake in the debate - comes in and starts raising bothering debater B. Maybe this is just some random drunk/druggie who wandered in from the street. He threatens to kill debator B. Then, debater B uses this to accuse his/her opponents of all being offensive trolls. He/she says "see, it's proof that my opponents are all hateful and evil." But it's not, it's proof that one person is, possibly even a person unrelated to the debate at hand.
Is the activity of that person unacceptable: YES!
Is it related to the debate at hand: Possibly, but even if it is it does not represent all those involved in the debate.
are the obvious way for spoiled little man-children to try to seek revenge for their slights. By all means, keep digging son, we all want to see how far you are willing to sink.
Unless, of course, your definition of adult means that it includes prostitutes, which kind of defeats your argument.
you are too lazy and self centered. you just think you can make up a legitimate sounding excuse when it's just women.
This post is factually incorrect... the ex-boyfriend did not make any allegations of trading sex for reviews.. just cheating.
I call the people involved in this scandal "Social Justice Warriors (SJWs)" principally because I refuse to insult the feminist or progressive movements by calling these people with feminists or progressives. Genuine second-wave feminists have publicly criticised their behaviour.
If you want to understand the difference, look up the #Gamergate and #NotYourShield hashtags on twitter. The Social Justice Warriors are hateful, disingenuous, at times sociopathic bigots. They are adult, internet-empowered versions of the bullies and tormentors which many gamers remember from secondary school.
Gamers are the victims here. The modus-operandi of the SJWs is to cast themselves in the cloth of underprivileged groups -- most SJWs are in fact white, upper middle class, college aged -- then proceed to level accusations of privilege, bigotry, and misogyny against just about anyone involved in gaming for even the slightest perceived infractions. A climate of fear has developed, first in the indie and later wider gaming industry as a result of the "social justice" witchhunts which these people regularly engage in. Worse, this has resulted in SJW-aligned developers and journalists rising to positions of power and being first in line for awards and increasingly development funding, with cronyism trumping competence.
For Gaming, so often a hobby of last resort for the excluded and isolated in society, this is an awful and tragic outcome. For gamers, male, female, straight, gay or trans, it is a frightening development. Their hobby, their refuge, is being taken over by bullies.
Because their rhetoric and especially actions come across as so farcically disingenuous, I don't believe for a second that SJWs actually believe in or support the causes of homosexuals or transgender people in video games. Their support for women is also largely forced, and disturbingly biased towards the conservative view of women as a weaker sex who must be protected/defended (A view consistently challenged by the games industry over the years).
My honest opinion of SJWs is that they are privileged Neo-liberals, who adopt a forced social justice persona both to project their own (increasingly obvious) bigotry onto others, and ultimately to benefit themselves socially and financially. They are disingenuous, extremist bullies, and the gaming community is under co-ordinated PR attack, and has been almost completely censored on gaming websites.
The Social Justice Warriors are right about one thing though; this is a historical moment. Whether they win or lose, the GamerGate scandal will be seen as a watershed moment in the history of online-communities, and who controls them. Two weeks ago, I would never have believed that a clique so small could all but take-over a community so large, but it is becoming clear that this is precisely what (almost?) happened to gaming. There are lessons to be learned here, unrelated to the immediate issues, and I only hope the right people will take note and heed them.
May the Maths Be with you!
If they have to throw everything and the kitchen sink to shut up critics, it doesn't look good for them.
Consider the deeds of professional victim-manipulators like:
Anita Sarkeesian, who can make a convincing, but fake, death threat on herself.
Chelsea Van Valkenburg, aka Zoe Quinn, who reached out many forums to clean out dissent - when she was called out on corruption.
Maya Felix Kramer, an individual that aided/abetted Ms. Van Valkenburg.
In addition, consider that various unrelated sites carried essentially the same message, "Gaming is dead", at about the same time. They won't allow anyone to say the truth or present evidence that journalistic integrity in gaming has died. All they permit is the party line - which supports these professional victims.
Crying "misogyny" won't help when people are calling them out on the real issue - their lack of integrity when it comes to developers and game journalism. Trying to shut critics up on multiple forums won't help to control the message - since nothing has stopped it.
Of course, this might not appeal to some, but modbombing this won't make the issue go away.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
Really!? I like my games with as much crap as possible, matter of fact I pay for it. So take your political, religious, or feminist views and shove em!
Gamer culture doesn't exist. This is teenaged male culture-- the standard hormone initiated sexual aggression of puberty.
Turning this into a crusade is just the latest wild leap of faith of the new humanist cult.
I fail to see the misogyny in this.
The fact that Zoe is a woman?
Great, so every time a woman receives criticism it's misogyny, just like how every time a black person receives criticism it's racism.
A lot of online harassment comes from... other women. So i'm not sure how this is going to work.
The men involved admitted to doing it. How is anyone gonna spin that one?
(..said as Russel Casse in Independence Day)
Apparently I must have played right through all this mess.. I never even noticed it until afterwards... and I know a few guys who run gaming websites and they have said nothing.
PPN
Clearly Soulskill is not well informed of the situation. The hatred of certain minorities in gaming culture is a terrible thing but the allegations again Zoe Quinn are far from false.
Because these professional victim-hood stories are starting to make me want to unsubscribe this piece of shit website right about now.
Liberty.
you will care when they tone things down to make your 'boss fight' more 'inclusive' to some generalized feminine stereotype.
centrism and compromise don't define truth.
yet not a single time has the issue journalistic integrity of video game reporting been raised. [...] I don't care if she had sex with fucking 10,000 guys; that's not the issue at heart here [...] what I care about is that she slept with those people for publicity she did not deserve, that was taken from more deserving games.
Oh, so we can just be mad at the journalists instead of a developer. I'm glad we solved this.
I've seen a lot of Anonymous Cowards posting in this story claiming that the accusations against her are true and she engaged in corrupt journalism. Lots and lots of posts by Anonymous Cowards.
I have not seen even one single fucking link to any evidence supporting this.
Put up or shut up. Show us this evidence, or admit you are a misogynistic troll.
Why do you think that The State should infringe on those rights when miscreants engage in the same behavior,
The state would indeed infringe on the "right" to be an asshole if someone was in my own house being one.
Which is pretty much the case when you are on any PRIVATELY OWNED forum.
Anyone has the right to put up their own website saying anything. But that's not the issue now is it?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
/r/thefappening has plenty of resources for you.
That took two seconds of a google search.
If I could do it, so could the AC. You obviously could not.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
The problem is that too many people are playing the wrong sort of games.
Any PVP-style game that allows communication between opposing players has set up a psychological warfare channel. Trash-talking is an effective means of putting your opponent at a disadvantage, after all. And the more shocking, repulsive, and offensive the trash-talking, the better (tactically speaking).
And as we know from "sports", there are a lot of people who can't turn off the trash-talking. They talk shit, and convince themselves that the hateful crap coming out of their mouth is true and just and right. Any slight difference is justification for the vitriolic bile -- gender, hair color, preferred maker of shoe, or car, or any damn thing.
What should gamers who are offended by such things do to fight this?
Well, an effective thing would be to stop playing those sorts of games.
Don't play games with player combat *and* any sort of freeform communication channel.
Why is this stuff only ever obvious to me?
"I'm a rapist, and so is my wife".
Er, hang on ...
With this dubious post,integrity of /.'s journalism and reputation is stymied. That was what this zoey wanted. You people lost it.
I see that you're deeply confused by this concept of 'evidence'.
You can repeat "the truth is out there" all you want, just don't expect anyone to dive in to your paranoid fantasies just to see if there's anything to them. If you can't support your outlandish claims, I have absolutely no reason to believe them.
Required reading for internet skeptics
It is, however, starting to boil over. History has a way of repeating itself. From my generation, it was the HellKitten incident and the Quake Green Ribbon Campaign. For people who have no clue as to what I'm talking about:
Quake Green Ribbon Campaign
I! Tego Arcana Dei.
I don't care if she had sex with fucking 10,000 guys; that's not the issue at heart here. The 'allegations' are actually facts, and what I care about is that she slept with those people for publicity she did not deserve, that was taken from more deserving games. AAA devs don't care because money, but for indie devs this is extremely important because if it becomes a good ol' boy system in video game journalism then good games that deserve the spotlight will miss out even more than they do. And, also, bad games that don't deserve shit will continue to flood steam and make the front page. Stop supporting videogame-political machines.
I'm one foot in the indie scene and, trust me, there would be an outrage if she actually took someone's spotlight. Almost everybody knows everybody there, both journalists and developers. That also levels the field if you're worried that the reviews could be biased. Here's a wall-of-textish post that talks about that.
She even admitted flat out on twitter to having sex for publicity
Do you have a link for the tweet? I must've missed it when she posted.
Alas, the problem is now much bigger than Zoe... Some nice people were driven out of the industry by those trolls and idiots :(
As this article points out (http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/09/gamergate_explodes_gaming_journalists_declare_the_gamers_are_over_but_they.html), many people interested in gaming are finding quasi-amateur gaming enthusiasts to be a much better source of news and information than gaming "journalists" have ever been, and I tend to agree with this point of view.
Most of these "journalists" working at these gaming websites are very difficult to distinguish from PR personnel working for publishers and developers.
More often than not they seem to fall on the side of these companies as oppose to the side of the consumer, especially when compared to the gaming enthusiasts on youtube and twitch etc.
So I suggest to anyone reading this: don't even bother to engage in this gamergate issue, simply forego these gaming "journalism" websites in favour of supporting your fellow gamers on youtube, twitch etc, people like TotalBiscuit, Purge, Day9, Miles923, the list goes on and on.
These people are most definitely on the side of the consumer and represent your concerns far better than the "journalists" ever will.
Well... it's either that or you are retarded as shit.
Not even realizing when you contradict yourself and all that.
Matriarchal cultures and "cultures ruled by women" ( which are the same thing, women ruling the state != women ruling the culture
In fact, the culture of the British Empire was heavily misogynistic.
So what are you trying to prove there?
That it WAS a "misogynistic culture" BECAUSE it was ruled by women, i.e. because it was MATRIARCHAL?
Or that you are a retard who does not understand a CONCEPT of difference between a single attribute of a culture AND its primary descriptive attributes.
I'm guessing it's the later... or you would realize that your generalizations lead into cognitive dissonance.
I.e. Not only can your hasty generalizations of "history and cultures" be brought down with a single example of a matriarch ruler or culture (thus "proving" matriarchy across the board regardless of the presence or EVEN roles of males or females in a culture - which you promptly proceed to do yourself in the comment above) - but that your "presence or absence of X makes everything X because X does not correlate with Y" is a HILARIOUSLY, MINDBOGGLINGLY, JAWDROPPINGLY STUPID CLAIM.
Or simpler...
There IS cake everywhere BECAUSE, presence of cake or absence of cake is unrelated to presence of diabetics.
Z is omnipresent because Z or NOT Z are NOT something else.
Which works.
You just have to be really dumb or really insane for that to work for you.
As for the "education" ad hominem... It's hilariously pathetic and snobbish.
And as usual, tells more about you and your values of "education" over logic or sanity than about me.
Sorta like when 15-year-old trolls try to insult by using racial, ethnic or sexual slurs - showing their own set of values.
What's next? Putting value on the "brand" of your education? Wearing shirts with little coat of arms patches? Singing school anthems? Waving little flags? My school was more expensive than your school?
But it's nice, cause it allows me to call you a retard without feeling any guilt or remorse about it.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
Moderation -1 100% Troll
Some people just need to take this person's advice before modding down truthful information.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
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Because men control most things on this planet.
Speaking of which, I haven't received my "most things" ballot in the mail this year. Do they have extras down at the Patriarchy office?
We're all serfs here. Perhaps we should band together and pool our strength, rather than fight each other along supposed arbitrary lines?
Her boyfriend didn't include any accusations she traded sex for favourable reviews.
He posted chat logs of their interaction, and including her admissions she'd had sex with people at certain times.
Other people took an error in one place, where he said march instead of may (IIRC) and turned that into an accusation about journalistic integrity.
I just gave you a source for every claim. You're the one that can't be bothered to look at it.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
No, you did not.
/r/thefappening
Is not a source. What's the domain?
Further: Why the hell would I go to any URL with a reference to masturbation? It looks like a sad joke.
Required reading for internet skeptics
How sad you must be to not know that anything with /r/insertwhateverhere is Reddit. You're beyond help and beyond pathetic as a supposed geek/nerd.
And apparently, you're too stupid to get the joke and reference in the first place.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
How sad you must be to not know that anything with /r/insertwhateverhere is Reddit.
Sad? I'd say the exact opposite of that. Moving on...
"The Fappening" refers to a series of nude photographs featuring various high profile celebrities leaked on 4chan in late August of 2014.
You have absolutely no evidence, so you direct me to a porn site? Are you 12? Why not just link to goatse?
Pathetic.
Required reading for internet skeptics
Can you point to specific examples of where her research and conclusions were incorrect and undermine her wider argument?
Others did that already...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Reply to rebuttal...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Both videos are extensively sourced.
Additional unrelated article about errors in her "research and conclusions" based on prejudices and foregone conclusions which boil down to "let's blame everything on you know who".
And going further into what is basically either willful ignorance or borderline insanity.
http://armedgamer.com/2014/07/...
Actually, after getting this crash course in her... opus, I'd be hard pressed to describe her not as a gamer but as a feminist.
Opportunist? Yes. Hypocrite? That too.
Feminist... don't see how. Because she's female?
But what she most reminds me of is an economic opportunist turned chauvinist by said opportunity and the "role of the dice".
E.g. People who root for the local team because the jerseys with local team's insignia sell better in their store.
Or people who take up video games and feminism as a cause because video games are "about US$9.5 billion in the US in 2007, 11.7 billion in 2008, and 25.1 billion in 2010" industry, and because the "role of dice" (more like flip of a coin) determined their gender as female.
Someone with a nose for a lucrative opportunity, but without actual understanding of the subject he/she preaches to the masses.
Be it games or feminism. She obviously lacks basic understanding of both.
Both of which she often tries to cover up with weasel words (such as "my version of feminism", "stereotypical female values") and by spiraling her "arguments" around in circles until she contradicts herself - and then she contradicts herself contradicting herself.
All of which, considering her somewhat privileged background (google for images of 'gamer girl'... then google 'black gamer girl'), also makes her an exploiter.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
While you have your head tucked in the sand, this whole debacle brought out more fun goodness. Too bad you're too stupid to go looking for this shit yourself.
http://i.imgur.com/D2YsOFO.png
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
STILL no evidence for your claims!
Instead, I get a bunch of porn and a conspiracy theory. Oh, you have no evidence because Reddit is hiding the truth! Does the NSA come in to play here? How about Area 51?
Well, I'm not surprised at all. People like you delve in to fantasy when reality doesn't suit your crazy beliefs.
Required reading for internet skeptics
Yea, which is why Reddit is currently fighting a swarm of people reposting the accusation. All Reddit has to do is step forward and go "This is bullshit, here's why" and instead, they're doing EXACTLY what the 'conspiracy' is claiming they do.
Your naivety is rather refreshing. You refuse to open your eyes and look for yourself. You expect everything hand-fed to you on a silver spoon.
No wonder half of your posting history is so poor.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Okay ... Let me guess -- the earth is hollow and home to the lizard people who secretly control the world. All the government need do is stop fighting the swarm of "conspiracy" books and websites and step forward and go "This is bullshit, here's why". Instead, they're doing EXACTLY what the "conspiracy" is claiming they do. You refuse to open your eyes and look for yourself. You expect everything hand-fed to you on a silver spoon. THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE.
Seriously, listen to yourself. You're a nutter.
Required reading for internet skeptics