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X-Class Solar Flare Coming Friday
First time accepted submitter kit_triforce writes Satellites have just detected a powerful X1.6-class solar flare. The source was active sunspot AR2158, which is directly facing Earth. NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory recorded the extreme ultraviolet flash. Ionizing radiation from the flare could cause HF radio blackouts and other communications disturbances, especially on the day-lit side of Earth. In the next few hours, when coronagraph data from SOHO and STEREO become available, we will see if a coronal mass ejection (CME) emerges from the blast site. If so, the cloud would likely be aimed directly at Earth and could reach our planet in 2 to 3 days.
Bad enough as it is. If there is a CME, we could be looking at cascading power failures and riots that will make Ferguson MO look like Mr Rogers Neighborhood. We have no defense against something like this because securing the grid would slightly impact profits. This could be a very good time to own stock in companies like GE or Siemens.
Can we hope it ends this farcical "progress" and return the planet to steam and gaslight?
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
Times like this, I sympathize with the sysadmin of the spaceweather.com website. I hope she/he had nothing planned for this evening.....
I realize it's just the title, but please...why can't we get it right? This isn't Stargate SG-1, where we have knowledge of solar flares to come, or the advanced technology to predict them. And this isn't a major news outlet, where they have no clue. So let's not PREDICT SOLAR FLARES. Let's grow up.
I think perhaps this post should be titled, "Effects of X-Class Solar Flare Coming Friday".
Make it so.
I'd have likely died during the attempt at birth, and taken my mother with me. I'm kind of enamored of modern technology, for some reason.
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Whenever a user asks me how their file got corrupted, I usually mention solar flares as a _mostly_ joking answer. Soooo... should I proactively start a background verify on my SAN over the weekend?
Bad combo - giant solar flare just as the internet itself explodes with iPhone 6 pre-orders.
You may as well just crawl in a cave that day and see what is left of society when you come out. Hint; take some Twinkies as our soon-to-be cockroach overlords love them.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Of course, if you read the article, it says that the effects will be at worst serious radio interference, some high voltage alarms on sensitive equipment that has monitors, and some transformer damage if the storm lasts long enough, but mainly in the higher latitudes. Not exactly world ending.
I've decided to Diversify my Holdings. I've divided my cash between my left and right pockets, instead of all in one.
I think XKCD class would be even worse! Our communication equipment would fail in hilarious ways.
HAM bands in the VHF range will be opening up! I am going to rig for 10m and 15 and see what happens.
I might a QSO from Europe with a little luck.
Never answer an anonymous letter. - Yogi Berra
We have no defense against something like this because securing the grid would slightly impact profits
We do have a defense: circuit breakers. They are installed in a lot of places on the electrical grid, as there are many other kinds of faults that require their use, and not having them would have already impacted the bottom line. The question is how well they are maintained. But in situations like the solar storm in 1989, it worked, and once the storm was gone, they reset the breakers essentially and the power comes back.
Unless there's that lone scientist who isn't being listened to by everyone else, as he's got the evidence that the sensors are wrong, and that it's going to be XKCD class.
Waiting for an amusing sig.
Seeing as it is only a x 1.6
As far as BIG things go this is a bit tiny
so PREPARE for the WORST
1 to 2 days no electricity
BUT
expect the BEST
pretty lights in the sky
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Flares are bursts of energy, so they travel at the speed of light -- there's no real early warning for 'em, as by the time you see it, it's here. (there might be a slight warning before you hit the peak of the flare, but we're talking seconds, not days).
The CME is what's coming on Friday ... Coronal *Mass* Ejection ... ie, it's more than just an electro-magnetic pulse ... it actually has mass associated with it.
You might also get some SEP (solar energetic particles) before the main sort of 'cloud' from the CME arrives -- those can be worse for the people in space, as they arrive minutes to hours after the flare, and they'll just go through things in space (eg, spacecraft, space stations, etc.).
disclaimer : I'm not a solar physicist, but I'm a programmer/sysadmin supporting the Solar Data Analysis Center at GSFC.
Build it, and they will come^Hplain.
a XKCD flare would need a warning like this
-- Don't Panic --
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http://www.skyandtelescope.com...
You just want to bust out your steampunk gear, don't you? ;-)
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
Unless there's that lone scientist who isn't being listened to by everyone else, as he's got the evidence that the sensors are wrong, and ...
he launches his only son away from the doomed planet of Krypton, to be raised by aliens on a far distant earth.
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
Based on your UID, you were around when it was steam and gaslight, right?
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
If you want a picture / movie that's actually based on this event's data ... use iSWA.
Select the 'ISEP' tab, and then choose one that mentions 'CME WSA' and looks like a swirl. (there are three of 'em ... pressure, velocity and density ... although I think something went wrong in their pipeline, as the pressure and density ones are *really* glitching out ... I don't know if that's one they generate every 15 mins, though)
You'll notice that even though the center of the cloud is expected to go ahead of the earth, they're predicting it'll be wide enough that we'll still get hit by it.
(disclaimer : I work for the Solar Data Analysis Center at GSFC)
Build it, and they will come^Hplain.
Oh, I am set for natural gas. I've got crates of canned beans stored in my basement.
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Bad news for me, though. I live at 65 degrees north latitude, and had a power outage for most of a week last winter in November. (That's fall for those of you who have more than two seasons.) There were so many trees in lines and transformers blown that they had to bring parts from outside, and crews from Anchorage. While the temperatures weren't yet brutal, (actually, they never really got there last winter) 0F in November is quite enough to freeze pipes.
Thankfully, I have a wood stove, a slightly abnormal interest in portable lights, and more portable cooking stoves than any one family can possible need. There's one cell tower close to my home, and I charged a large battery and my devices at work each day, so I didn't even lose internet access. I lost running water, but easily melted enough snow for water for drinking, washing and toilet-flushing. I also used snow to keep everything in the refrigerator cold, and moved everything in the freezer outside into a cooler. I was much happier than the neighbors 1/2 mile each way.
Unfortunately, we're facing an unseasonably warm September. I'm not sure what I'll do if power's out for several days right now. I can buy water and dry ice from town, but will the internet pipes freeze up? ;-)
So, to put it in layman's terms, the Sun farted at us.
Table-ized A.I.
The outside.
"Wait. Something's happening. It's opening up! My God, it's full of apricots!"
It's a X1, not a X20 flare. I do not think we really have much to worry about.
I'm surprised Slashdot is even covering anything less than an X5.
I contacted the Hermanus Magnetic Observatory a few minutes ago. Here's what I got from them:
Please be advised: the data is for South Africa, which is closer to the equator. Places closer to the poles will experience slightly stronger conditions.
Two CME's are heading this way. Precise time of impact not yet known. They should hit 12-13 September (South African Standard Time). Conditions should clear by Saturday afternoon SAST.
CME1:
Glancing blow. No need to worry about it, unless you have a satellite in space.
CME2:
Direct hit on earth.
GPS satellites are expected to be affected.
Communications equipment will probably be affected.
Transmission lines are not expected to be affected.
Electronics are not expected to be affected.
There's a recent Skeptic's Guide to the Universe podcast where Phil Plait explained exactly what impact a big CME would have on the grid, and I think he said that there are some very large transformers that would be destroyed and would take 5 to 10 years to replace due to there being nowhere tooled up to replace them. I think he said this would mean large chunks of the grid without power for that timespan.
(1.21 gigawatts) / (88 miles per hour) = 30 757 874 newtons
Because there have never actually been any kind of riots or looting during disasters???
Speak for yourself. I for one am very happy with my microwave Hot Pockets and laser pointers.
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
We all die from uncontrollable laughter.
I think he said that there are some very large transformers that would be destroyed and would take 5 to 10 years to replace due to there being nowhere tooled up to replace them.
This has been repeated a lot, but I think is a bit over-inflated as a risk. Nothing against Phil Plait, as a quite a few other knowledgeable people have also repeated it.
The problem with large transformers connected to large power grids or long transmission lines, is that a geomagnetic storm can induce a current that is effectively DC compared to the 50/60 Hz of the power distribution network. Transformer cores can only handle so much magnetic field, and hence only so much current, before they begin to saturate, where each additional bit of current creates less and less magnetic field within the core, and hence the core resists increasing current less. In other words, as it saturates, the impedance goes down, and the transformer will pull a lot more current just like switching from a large valued resistor to a small valued one pulls more current. Too much current, and it overheats and can damage (potentially catastrophically if windings short out).
There are two ways to catch this. The first is to watch for DC currents going into the transformer, and either trip a breaker or reduce usage of that line if the DC current goes too far out of spec. A lot of power equipment won't see DC currents being designed for the AC grid. But these days, more and more places do check for DC current because of problems from such storms. If the equipment isn't monitored for DC current though, the increasing AC current from the transformer saturating can still trip vanilla AC circuit breakers (with a few caveats).
So it is not like a storm just will blow out all transformers connected to the power grid. It comes down to whether or not the protection equipment is installed and works as designed. If the protection equipment interrupt the circuit, or if the transformer was so marginal that the protection equipment doesn't kick in soon enough, then it could be damaged. There certainly have been cases of protection equipment programmed with the wrong limits before, for example. But in the end, it is just extra stress on the system, not some massive failure blowing out everything without hope.
I figure the best strategy is to have a gun and a well-prepared neighbor. However, I'm too lazy even for that level of preparation.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Depends on where you live. When I lived in Cali, I knew people who were hoarding supplies but were strongly anti-gun. OTOH, for the guys with actual bunkers, well, they aren't called "bunkers" for nothing.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
I'm somewhat of a prepper, I have a year's worth of food, medical supplies, suitable arms. I have a friend who has only stockpiled arms and ammo. He says he has neighbors who stockpile food but are vehemently anti-gun, and he figures he'll just take what he needs from them. I don't happen to agree with this philosophy, but I'm aware that it exists.
I'm reminded of one of the interviews during Occupy Wall Street, where some young lady said that we should all be forced to go back to an agrarian society.
The reporter pointed out "but millions would die".
Her response was "Well, people die."
Well, ok then.
My question would have been "So... let's say you're one of the people who are lucky enough to belong to a successful agrarian society, and you have a good supply of crops. What are you going to do when the first horde of armed, half-starved marauders finds your settlement?"
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