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Net Neutrality Comments Surge Past 1.7M, an All-Time Record For the FCC

An anonymous reader writes Following Wednesday's Internet Slowdown campaign, the Federal Communications Commission says it has now received a total of 1,750,435 comments on net neutrality, surpassing the approximately 1.4 million complaints it saw after the exposure of Janet Jackson's breast during Super Bowl XXXVIII in 2004. Wednesday saw citizens submit more than 700,000 new comments to the FCC, and place more than 300,000 calls to the agency.

81 comments

  1. Good by Nogrial · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe the FCC can finally do their job.

    1. Re:Good by JeffOwl · · Score: 2

      Wish I had points so I could mod you as funny.

    2. Re:Good by Chewbacon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The number of corporate dollars will surpass the number of comments. I think the exchange rate of comments to dollars is pretty lopsided. Guess which way it it skews.

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      The Bible is like Wikipedia: written by a bunch of people and verifiable by questionable sources.
    3. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The FCC's job isn't to regulate the internet. They just shoved themselves into that role and idiots online signing petitions just gladly handed the role to them. As a result of that - and this stupid campaign - you're going to end up with metered internet access and more policing of "lawful content". Well done, fucktards. The internet won't be what it is, in another ten or fifteen years. Just remember to look back over your shoulder and blame yourselves for it.

    4. Re:Good by BlatantRipoff · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is a lot to ignore, isn't it?

    5. Re:good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We all know that the net should remain as-is; without some companies controlling the traffic for their own profits; they make enough money (mofos!)

      FTFY to remove the Greengrocers' apostrophe.

    6. Re:Good by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Funny

      I complained to the FCC....

      I didn't see enough of Janet's breast to compensate for watching the Superbowl.

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    7. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I observe that the prospect of having to pay extra for netflix has motivated more people to get up and take action than all of Snowden's revelations combined.

    8. Re:Good by zerocommazero · · Score: 1

      I wonder how many of those Janet Jackson complaints were real and not just blown up by groups like the "Parents Television Council", who have way less members than the complaints reflect.

    9. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they will do the job they have been paid to do... act on behalf of big businesses like comcast, verizon, and at&t.

    10. Re:Good by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I wonder how many of those Janet Jackson complaints were real and not just blown up by groups like the "Parents Television Council", who have way less members than the complaints reflect.

      They were just applying th eold Question "What would Jesus do?"

      The answer is obvious - he would have looked at Janet's tits.

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    11. Re:Good by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yep. That is the gist of America's new oligarchy.

      "Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organised groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on US government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence."

      http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-...

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    12. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would agree, and the pathetic statement by the FCC claiming it saw 1.4 million complaints over Janet Jackson is a flat out lie, they only saw about 20-50 complaints out of the tens of millions that actually watched the Super Bowl Half time show. I had a citation to that but I F***ng lost it. I your curious you should be able to find links to articles that show the true number of complaints.

      And a majority of the complaints came from censorship groups that Hillary Clinton and Tipper Gore created.

    13. Re:Good by disposable60 · · Score: 1

      I'm sure they'll manage. A cushy retirement/sinecure is too much to pass up.

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    14. Re:Good by fey000 · · Score: 1

      I wonder how many of those Janet Jackson complaints were real and not just blown up by groups like the "Parents Television Council", who have way less members than the complaints reflect.

      They were just applying th eold Question "What would Jesus do?"

      The answer is obvious - he would have looked at Janet's tits.

      It would be unprofessional not to. His father built them after all, and one day J-dawg will have to take over the family business.

    15. Re:Good by vlad30 · · Score: 1

      They were just applying th eold Question "What would Jesus do?"

      The answer is obvious - he would have looked at Janet's tits.

      He also would have flicked the paste off

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    16. Re:Good by Merk42 · · Score: 1

      As a result of that - and NOT GOING FOR this campaign - you're going to end up with some sites performing fine unless you pay more. It'll be like Cable TV packages all over again. Well done, fucktards. The internet won't be what it is, in another ten or fifteen years. Just remember to look back over your shoulder and blame yourselves for it.

    17. Re:Good by kilodelta · · Score: 1

      The way the fcc treats comments received is each is a unique entity, even if they are submitted by the SAME person. So of that 1.4 million it's likely maybe 100,000 people who sent over and over.

    18. Re:Good by Jawnn · · Score: 1

      Maybe the FCC can finally do their job.

      Which would be, what? Doing the bidding of those who grease the most palms? There hasn't been anything stopping them so far.

    19. Re:Good by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      They were just applying th eold Question "What would Jesus do?"

      The answer is obvious - he would have looked at Janet's tits.

      He also would have flicked the paste off

      Good point

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  2. Internet Slowdown Campaign? by Richy_T · · Score: 3, Interesting

    News to me.

    Which is a novelty for this site.

    1. Re:Internet Slowdown Campaign? by SumDog · · Score: 2

      I think I saw it on here, which is why I added the banner to my site.

    2. Re:Internet Slowdown Campaign? by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 2

      The campaign was invisible to those with noscript enabled.

    3. Re:Internet Slowdown Campaign? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      I didn't see any slowdown on that day.

      Posted from my 2400bps modem.

    4. Re:Internet Slowdown Campaign? by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      People with NoScript on are likely already aware of the issue and strong supporters of net neutrality. This was about informing the commoners.

  3. good by luther349 · · Score: 2

    we all know the net should remain as is without some company's controlling the traffic for there own profits they make enough money.

  4. Wow by machineghost · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Man, when personal citizens' rights and powerful corporate interests align, amazing things can happen.

    Now if we could only get powerful corporations to do the same thing on NSA overreach, CIA overreach, money in politiics, ...

    1. Re:Wow by causality · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Man, when personal citizens' rights and powerful corporate interests align, amazing things can happen.

      Now if we could only get powerful corporations to do the same thing on NSA overreach, CIA overreach, money in politiics, ...

      If the majority of people would vote (at the ballot and with their wallets) for their own rational self-interests once in a while, and not what the silver-tongued TV sound bite sold to them, this would happen much more often. My cynical side tells me that few will ever appreciate the value of abstract principles in and of themselves, but the self-interest angle should be at least achievable.

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    2. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nothing amazing has happened.

      Emails and phone calls don't enrich politicians. Big business does. The FCC Chair is a former cable industry lobbyist for fucks sake!

    3. Re:Wow by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Now if we could only get powerful corporations to do the same thing on NSA overreach, CIA overreach

      Of of them tried, but were slapped with gag orders so they couldn't even mention it to anyone.

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  5. what was the SCORE? by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    did FOR beat AGAINST?

    1. Re:what was the SCORE? by crioca · · Score: 1

      did FOR beat AGAINST?

      Only in terms of numbers, in terms of net worth Against had it by a landslide.

    2. Re:what was the SCORE? by blue9steel · · Score: 1

      It's a Democracy, one dollar one vote.

  6. Breast super bowl ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, that year.

    1. Re:Breast super bowl ever by causality · · Score: 0

      Well, that year.

      Clearly this particular Puritannical (shallow, phoney) "moral" crusade must prevail. We must make certain that small children NEVER see a woman's nipple!

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      It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
    2. Re:Breast super bowl ever by satch89450 · · Score: 1

      Then how would the baby feed? With his eyes closed?

    3. Re:Breast super bowl ever by causality · · Score: 1

      Then how would the baby feed? With his eyes closed?

      Maybe the manufacturers of formula can use this as a marketing angle.

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      It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
    4. Re:Breast super bowl ever by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      Well, that year.

      Clearly this particular Puritannical (shallow, phoney) "moral" crusade must prevail. We must make certain that small children NEVER see a woman's nipple!

      I'm sure that companies like Nestle could get behind that argument... wait; they already did!

    5. Re:Breast super bowl ever by sumdumass · · Score: 2

      It had nothing to do with that and you know it.

      There are rules in place so people can know where to go without being offended. Guess what, when those rules are ignored and people are offended, they act offended and demand something be done about it. Even the game has a delay for the TV editors to change views, angles and do on. Even if the nipple slip qas an accident, the live coverage could have switched cameras without broadcasting the nipple. They didn't, people got offended, the FCc enforced the rules. Its that simple.

    6. Re:Breast super bowl ever by Chewbacon · · Score: 0

      Here here! Now let's turn on some primetime TV. VIOLENCE, BLOOD, AND GORE! Don't stare at those boobies, Timmy, your mom says they're evil because she feels inept with her tits you sucked the perkiness out of. Awe, still I love ya son, the site of those eggs on a fork reminds me watch my cholesterol.

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    7. Re:Breast super bowl ever by fey000 · · Score: 1

      Then how would the baby feed? With his eyes closed?

      Yes Ted, that was the joke.
      Now you ruined it for everybody.

    8. Re:Breast super bowl ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly this particular Puritannical (shallow, phoney) "moral" crusade must prevail. We must make certain that small children NEVER see a woman's nipple!

      While I'm not a fan of this crusade, I agree that small children should not see a man violently ripping off a women's clothing to expose her breast. This wasn't just a nipple slip. It was a disgusting planned event that went slightly different than planned. I have no problem with nudity, but nudity isn't the entire story here.

  7. Tits by SumDog · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm a little more concerned that the fact that Janet Jackson's led to over a million complains. Why are American's afraid of tits?! There wasn't even a nipple. I don't get it!

    1. Re:Tits by guises · · Score: 1

      Yeah, this isn't so much encouraging news for net neutrality as it is a discouraging illustration of our willingness to censor. Though, as I recall, a large number of the breast complaints were form letters sent by a single organization.

    2. Re:Tits by Razed+By+TV · · Score: 1

      I'm a little more concerned that the fact that Janet Jackson's led to over a million complains. Why are American's afraid of tits?! There wasn't even a nipple. I don't get it!

      Because their football game was tits up and it wasn't even the second half.

    3. Re:Tits by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      I think I would have written in to complain about the entire show; the "wardrobe malfunction" wouldn't really have played into the complaint at all. But then, I didn't watch the superbowl that year, and so didn't have to put up with the sensationalist half time show.

    4. Re:Tits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      plus they were tits most of us didnt mind seieng.

  8. And they will read them when? by grilled-cheese · · Score: 1

    At what point does the number of comments become so large that the FCC can't possibly read them all? It's not going to be one person going through everything, so what is the likelihood that an intermediate person is going to get applying metadata or ranking the responses 100% correctly and without external influences?

    1. Re:And they will read them when? by sumdumass · · Score: 2

      I don't think it really matters. The FCC has to pull legal stunts which will likely be overturned in court just to get the jurisdiction to cover the internet let alone regulate it.

      The bigger problem is netneutrality isn't a single issue. Ask a dozen random people and you will get half a dozen or more answers. Even the politicians who you would expect to be somewhat versed in the subject before they speak on it will have different answers. This likely means that the FCC will be under pressure from them just as much as isps. They might dven pass a law before a court rejects the FCCs regulation of it.

      AS proof of that, i invite people to explain what net neutrality means and whether or not there can be fast lanes with it (yes, there can but you will see people disagree).

    2. Re:And they will read them when? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, they weren't planning on actually reading them even if it was a manageable number.

    3. Re:And they will read them when? by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

      If this ...

      The FCC has to pull legal stunts which will likely be overturned in court just to get the jurisdiction to cover the internet let alone regulate it.

      ever happens, I wonder what these people will do

      ... surpassing the approximately 1.4 million complaints it saw after the exposure of Janet Jackson's breast ...

      when they find out what's available on the internet.

    4. Re:And they will read them when? by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      They wont do a damned thing they haven't already done.

      The problem with the breast wasn't that she showed them but where the showing happened. It happened on a station that was supposed to not show it at all due to federal regulations. When that station failed to prevent its showing, (which was entirely possible due to a broadcadt delay specifically designed to deal with stuff like that) they became upset. Its no different than you going to a library for study and getting pissed because they decided to hold a pep rally there. Except there us no federal agency restricting access to the library with control over the behavior of the participants like there is with broadcast channels.

    5. Re:And they will read them when? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... surpassing the approximately 1.4 million complaints it saw after the exposure of Janet Jackson's breast ...

      when they find out what's available on the internet.

      Jennifer Lawrence?

  9. Quality not Quantity by mentil · · Score: 4, Informative

    It was recently found that when the FCC (or some other US federal govt. agency) has a request for comments, they're only compelled to seriously consider the in-depth, intelligent comments. In practice, this means that form-letters done via the EFF website etc. are tossed out, while lawyer-produced walls of text that read like Congressional legal pronouncements get serious consideration. Almost always, the latter are produced by big businesses with lots of money to spend on lawyers to ensure the decision goes in the direction of greater profits for themselves.

    The only way to undermine this is for organizations like the EFF, and individuals, to gather and present as much easily-digestible data as possible and edit and refine their message until it's intelligible and palatable to a politician. Mindless ranting is immediately dismissed as uninformed. Probably only a dozen or so of these 1.7 million messages will actually be read by a decision-maker.

    Fax is the best medium to contact your agencies with, as it tends to be printed and read by a human, rather than a keyword-search-delete-all like can be done for email ("delete all emails containing superlatives"). Also, 1.7 million sounds alot bigger when pushcarts full of paper can be wheeled into their office, rather than the messages easily fitting on a disc or flash drive. I presume they don't tend to auto-OCR faxes.

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    1. Re:Quality not Quantity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they're like Congressmen, there's a bit of both. Yes, only rational (or considered rational) comments will be read, but they'll still do bean counting, which they can use to weight the comments they do read.

  10. In a strange coincidence... by dccase · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1,750,435 names were added to the No-Fly List today.

    All under the suspicion of plotting to vote incorrectly.

    1. Re:In a strange coincidence... by easyTree · · Score: 1

      Ahhah - funny one - that would only be the case if voting meant more than leg exercize.

  11. citation by mentil · · Score: 5, Informative

    It was recently found that when the FCC (or some other US federal govt. agency) has a request for comments, they're only compelled to seriously consider the in-depth, intelligent comments.

    http://yro.slashdot.org/story/...

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    Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
  12. OMG! by easyTree · · Score: 1

    That'll take the issue-thank-you-for-your-feedback-then-discard-message bot ages to process those.

  13. Predicted Response... by BarneyGuarder · · Score: 5, Funny

    Your comments give me such a thrill,
    But your comments don't pay my bills!

  14. And the lesson here is... by unitron · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...that the only thing that stirs more outrage than a nipple on TV is the chance that one will have to deal with a slow connection when downloading a picture of it.

    --

    I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.

    1. Re:And the lesson here is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, was that really ten years ago? Time flies!

  15. what's the consensus? by bigfinger76 · · Score: 0, Troll

    I've read a few articles on /. about net neutrality, and I couldn't discern any consensus regarding it's overall positivity or negativity. Of course, I understand how a lack could be abused, stifling competition for eyeballs. But some of what I read, written by people actually in the communications industry, made seemingly good arguments against it. The more I read, the more ambivalent I became. It seems less cut and dried than, say, arguments against SOPA. Anyone have any serious material to read regarding the more technical aspects? I know that bias is inescapable, but I'd like some more informed information; John Oliver's delivery doesn't cut it. I'd greatly appreciate it.

    1. Re:what's the consensus? by bigfinger76 · · Score: 1

      I'm asking for good information here, and I'm modded down. Wow.

    2. Re:what's the consensus? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, according to one side, modding you down IS neutrality: you get no special treatment, and are modded down
      since you must bow down to the masses, same as everyone else.

      According to the other side, neutrality is not supporting modding in the first place, and the mod is entirely voluntarily
      and all in your head. You don't have to be here, you know. You CHOOSE to be here and post here.

      Glad to clear things up!

      As usual, both sides are really just dickheads and you will get fucked either way.

      The key takeaway is: You should be fucking back or resign yourself to your fate. Your choice.
      You are free to be a dickhead as well, after all.

  16. What's the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The decision was made in advance long ago, Wheeler doesn't give a damn what we little guys think, we're not the ones putting money in his back pocket.
    More than 99% of the comments are against the fast lane and every other BS the FCC is trying to pass, they won't listen. Common sense doesn't work when immediate money can be made, who cares about the future.

  17. Processing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >/dev/null

    "Well, that was easy".

  18. Now Be Very Careful by FrankDrebin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Net neutrality provides justification for massive policing of the internet, because it calls for equal treatment of *lawful* content. By definition that means filtering for unlawful content. Wait until we find out what becomes designated as unlawful. The copyright crowd and authoritarians are gonna love it. Then we all get to apply for internet licenses... whee!

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    1. Re:Now Be Very Careful by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      because it calls for equal treatment of *lawful* content.

      No internally consistent definition of metwork nuetrality would call for any distinction between "lawful" and "unlawful." Attempting to do so would almost completely defeat the purpose of neutrality in the first place!

    2. Re:Now Be Very Careful by FrankDrebin · · Score: 1
      --
      Anybody want a peanut?
    3. Re:Now Be Very Careful by Aristos+Mazer · · Score: 2

      > That no legal content may be blocked; and

      FrankDrebin is right. That's quite a loophole. Make a note of that, everyone, and include objections to it in your e-mails.

    4. Re:Now Be Very Careful by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      And watch settlement-free peering die quickly too as the monster ISP's declare war on the remaining independents, backed by the FCC (which __DUH__ is in their pockets already). If this happens the monster ISP's will write the new regulations behind closed doors and it'll be strongly in their favor to preferentially comply.

      98% of the people who are writing these letters don't even know what the terms that are in play mean, much less are they able to understand the consequences.

      I guess that's normal for a democracy - it just hits home when they're coming after your field of work.

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  19. Internet delay by noi+that+tan+anh · · Score: 1

    Internet delay is not affected by an entertainment event

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  20. Comments filed: 1.7x10^6. Fucks given: zero. by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

    Attempting to do the math as to how much they care will get you a big hole in the dirt somewhere in Nicaragua.

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    How is the Riemann zeta function like Trump rallies? Both have an endless number of trivial zeros.
  21. Inside info on US Senators by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was talking to a top AID for a US Senator, he said they ranked messages by type. hand written letters were highest and worth 1000 emails, even if they were just repeats of what an email said.

    I brought the rank scale up with the Senator, he didn't know that the numbers were skewed by their type! The staff had done this for the previous senator as well.

  22. The issue isn't really net neutrality. by goldcd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's lack of competition in the US markets.
    In deregulated markets when you have competition, if your Netflix doesn't work, you shout at your ISP who either loses you as a customer, or sorts their peering out.
    Problem in the states would seem to be that if your Netflix doesn't work, you don't appear to usually have an alternate/comparable ISP you can switch to that will give you working Netflix.They've got you over a barrel, and see an opportunity to make money. Asking you for extra cash to make your netflix work is what they'd really love to do, but as they can't, they'll ask Netflix for it (who'll then ultimately have to pass this onto you).
    Looking at it another way - if you had a 'net neutral' google connection available to you, you wouldn't care what other ISPs you didn't use were doing.
    US ISPs are currently trying to have their cake and eating it - they want the regulation that prevents the competition, but don't want regulation that makes the connection 'neutral' (whatever exactly you think that means).

    1. Re:The issue isn't really net neutrality. by godrik · · Score: 1

      I disagree with that. What we want is to have net neutrality in practice. Now competition in the ISP market is a tool that could lead to net neutrality. It is an indirect way of getting net neutrality. But I strongly believe that net neutrality is important enough that we want to have a direct regulation about it.

      Now, more competition in the ISP market woud not hurt :)

    2. Re:The issue isn't really net neutrality. by dywolf · · Score: 2

      net neutrality is still useful to have, even if competition actually existed.
      competition by its very nature leads to less and less competition over time, til we end up right back where we are now.

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      The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
  23. Re: Will we need to move overseas someday for dece by lewi · · Score: 1

    America is supposedly the most technologically advanced country in the world and thanks to our politics other countries have and will continue to have better internet access. It seems ludicrous but I could see companies relocating to countries with better internet access with fewer restrictions and better pricing. It has happened with labor, supply chain, customer support, and other areas so how long before our government causes it to happen with Internet access?

    The argument may be fallacious but I find it easier to suspend logic when discussing government policies.