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Technological Solution For Texting While Driving Struggles For Traction

An anonymous reader writes: While legislators and police try to tackle the epidemic of distracted driving through education, regulation, and enforcement, Scott Tibbitts is trying to solve it through engineering. He developed a small device which, when plugged into a vehicle, would determine which phone belonged to the driver and shut off its texting and voice call capabilities. "The telematics box sends a wireless message that the car is moving. The phone sends its own message about its location. Both sets of information — from the car and phone — are sent to Katasi's servers. Then, an algorithm weighs the incoming data with other information, like the location of the phones belonging to all the people who drive the car and the starting point of the trip; if the trip starts at Junior's high school, and mom and dad's phones are at work, the driver has been identified — Junior is driving."

The problem is that Tibbitts can't get anyone interested in setting up a system to make these devices ubiquitous. Consumers can't be sold on such a product: all evidence suggests people are increasingly unwilling to be cut off from constant communication. So, he tried working with carriers. Sprint partnered with Tibbitts long enough to test the device, but they were afraid of the legal risks involved. Now, Tibbitts is nursing the technology along, looking for a way to get it into cars and make people safer.

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  1. A solution in search of a problem... by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If someone has so little self-control as to be unable to avoid talking or texting while driving, why are we allowing them to drive in the first place?

    The energy in a 4,000lb vehicle moving at 40-60 mph is considerable.

    Perhaps we need stricter drivers license requirements?

    1. Re:A solution in search of a problem... by damn_registrars · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If someone has so little self-control as to be unable to avoid talking or texting while driving, why are we allowing them to drive in the first place?

      It is against the law pretty much everywhere. However that law is enforced pretty much nowhere. It is just simply too difficult to enforce it, as a police officer has to catch the person in the act to even write a ticket. And then the ticket is so laughably small in terms of the monetary penalty as to be pointless to even write.

      In other words, people do it because they (wrongly) think they can do it safely, and then (unfortunately correctly) believe that they have nearly a zero chance of getting busted for it.

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    2. Re:A solution in search of a problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No, its not like that at all.

      Its a lot more like driving while reading a newspaper, or doing anything else that takes your eyes off the road. If nothing happens that requires a quick reaction from you during the few moments that you are distracted, then nothing bad happens. But if your timing is unfortunate, so is the accident that happens.

      So no, people cannot generally safely do it. It is unsafe, but also commonly uneventful.

    3. Re:A solution in search of a problem... by damn_registrars · · Score: 2

      For the most part, people can safely do it.

      For certain very lucky values of "safely", sure. Taking your eyes completely off the road to do something is, quite simply, never a good idea.

      Well, in a technical sense it is less safe than not texting while driving but so many people do it without incident each and every day that they consider it safe enough for them to do it.

      A lot of people drive drunk and don't cause accidents (or only harm themselves) yet we don't consider it to be safe.

      It is a lot like driving with one hand verses two at the ten and two positions.

      No, it is far much more like driving drunk.

      Many people can safely drive with one hand but it is safer to be in the ten and two positions with two hands which is why we need to do it to pass most driving tests.

      Generally only the case if your car has an automatic transmission. Rather hard to do that if you are taking a test with a standard transmission.

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    4. Re:A solution in search of a problem... by damn_registrars · · Score: 2

      Is it against the law almost everywhere?

      I really only know about locally... The only place here it is illegal is in school zones.. otherwise, talk and text away while driving...

      Texting while driving in most places can be classified as distracted driving. It doesn't need a special classification; if you were reading the newspaper while driving you could be pulled over and fined for that, texting is often handled the same way.

      Some places have additional statutes and fines on the matter, but that is just to try to raise awareness - or revenue.

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    5. Re:A solution in search of a problem... by Karmashock · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A policeman in Los Angeles killed a man by answering emails while driving.

      He was not even charged with a crime for it because apparently by answering police department email it was all in the service of the badge.

      In this context... they continue to go after people that might answer a text while driving whether people are even injured or not.

      Don't get me wrong... you shouldn't answer texts while driving. But I am incensed that the police officer is not even put on trial for manslaughter or negligent homicide.

      If the police need to answer email while driving, then either give them automated cars or require them to have two police officers in every car. Short of that... they should be paying attention to driving while driving. Until that is a rule, I can't take this whole topic seriously.

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    6. Re:A solution in search of a problem... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It is a lot like driving with one hand verses two at the ten and two positions. Many people can safely drive with one hand but it is safer to be in the ten and two positions with two hands which is why we need to do it to pass most driving tests.

      In theory (one, anyway) 10 and 2 are the best positions, so DMV examiners have been insisting on it.

      In reality, it turns out, 9:30 and 3:30 are safer.

      In theory, talking on the phone is distracting.

      In reality, it's been shown that drivers who are a little bit tired are much safer if they're also talking.

      In theory, texing bans will reduce traffic accidents.

      In reality, people in those States text below the steering wheel, completely taking their eyes off the road, to avoid cops seeing then, while those in States without such bans tend to text with the phone at the top of the steering wheel, so they can at least keep half an eye on the road. Paradoxically, texting bans are deadly.

      Tibbit's "solutions" work in theory, but reality is far more messy. To assume otherwise is hubristic.

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    7. Re:A solution in search of a problem... by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I simply agree... The police don't seem to feel they are subject to the same laws they are enforcing... which is a shame, and backwards to how it should be (they should be held to a stricter standard).

    8. Re:A solution in search of a problem... by Stickasylum · · Score: 2

      That's well and good (well not good, bad), but Tibbit's "solution" addresses the problem with text bans that you've posted. Unless you've can point out specific problems with his solution, it seems like it's worth think about and testing. Texting while driving is a big problem. If texting while driving bans are also a big problem, then some other solution is needed. Saying "reality is messy" to dismiss proposed solutions is slightly useful to make us think about potential problems, but is really the laziest form of criticism.

    9. Re:A solution in search of a problem... by olsmeister · · Score: 2

      If you want to give it some teeth, and get some free publicity, in addition to the fine add automatic confiscation of the phone and watch the world explode.

    10. Re:A solution in search of a problem... by greenbird · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It is against the law pretty much everywhere. However that law is enforced pretty much nowhere. It is just simply too difficult to enforce it, as a police officer has to catch the person in the act to even write a ticket. And then the ticket is so laughably small in terms of the monetary penalty as to be pointless to even write.

      Make the punishment fit the crime. If you're swinging a loaded gun around pointing it at people and unintentionally shoot someone you're going to jail. You drive around like a jackass, speeding, weaving in traffic, running lights or stop signs, at worse you get a ticket that cost a little bit of money. And yet far more people are killed by idiot drivers than are by gun accidents. It's completely irrational.

      It's simple. The first ticket is a freebie, a $1000 and lose your license for a day. The second ticket within a year and you lose your license for a month. The third ticket in a year and you lose your license for a year. You get caught driving without a license you go to jail for a year. You put black boxes in cars that record the last half hour of activity to provide irrefutable evidence. Also use that information in the case of a collision and if it shows any person caused the collision it's their third strike and they lose their license for a year. No need for distracted driving or no telephoning or no texting or even drink driving laws. One way or another the people left on the roads will be much safer and nicer. Oh, and the 40,000 killed and hundreds of thousands more injured and maimed would go away almost over night along with much of the massive financial burden caused by the idiotic carnage on the roads.

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    11. Re:A solution in search of a problem... by nysus · · Score: 2

      It's 1.5 deaths per 100 million miles.

      Death isn't the only risk, however. Getting paralyzed, getting disfigured, etc. are pretty serious consequences that don't end in death.

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    12. Re:A solution in search of a problem... by chmod+a+x+mojo · · Score: 2

      Unless you've can point out specific problems with his solution

      Hmm, how about just of the top of my head:
      1: requires DATA since it sends stuff to servers "somewhere" which leads to...
      2: big time invasion of privacy, who is this stupid company, why should I trust them with the location of both myself and my kids ( as in the "example" )
      3: why should I trust some unknown yahoo to keep my data secure when no one else seems to be able to... and exact times family members are separated from each other / the house is empty are even worse than CC# leaks.
      4: It can only stop phones that are registered to it, so that second burner phone is the one that gets texted on.
      Annnnnnnnddd after all that there comes the absolute biggest flaw:
      5: It's opt-in, the people that would normally text and drive anyways aren't going to buy it.

      There, that took all of 5 seconds to think of.

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    13. Re:A solution in search of a problem... by Pentium100 · · Score: 2

      Well, driving a car with a manual gearbox makes talking on the phone while driving (without using handsfree equipment) inconvenient (unless I am driving on a straight long road). I never text while driving. SMS is low priority and high latency to me - I will reply when I can. If it is urgent to you - call.

      However, this device seems pointless. I have to buy it and install it in my car. Even assuming it can work with my older phones (a Nokia E90 and a Nokia 1100), I could, you know, just don't use the phone while driving if I do not want to and I do not need to spend money. OTOH, if somebody wants to use the phone while driving, they will not buy a device that prevents them or will turn it off.

      This sort of device has to be mandated by law (hopefully just for new cars, so I do not have to buy such a device) or it will see very low adoption rates.

    14. Re:A solution in search of a problem... by Pentium100 · · Score: 2

      After a few accidents caused by drunk cops driving (that actually injuredor killed people) in my country, the new law is that if a cop is caught drunk behind the wheel, he can start looking for a new job (in addition to whatever punishment a non-cop would get in the same situation).

    15. Re:A solution in search of a problem... by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 3, Informative

      Speeding = higher risk of crash.

      Meh, that propaganda has been around for awhile...

      To an extent, speeding can perhaps make a crash worse, but that isn't really why we have speeding laws.

      We have them to generate income for the government, specifically local and state government, to the tune of $6.2 billion last year.

      The German Autobaun is safer per mile driven than US highways. Many reasons for it:

      1. Better roads (their roads are better maintained and thicker)

      2. Better driver training (it is expensive and strict)

      3. Better enforcement of "drive right". (on the highway, you pass on the left, drive on the right, it is safer than what we do in the US, which is to drive all over the road at random speeds)

    16. Re:A solution in search of a problem... by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 2

      What is sad is that it took a new law for that to happen...

      That should just have been the default position...

    17. Re:A solution in search of a problem... by Rakhar · · Score: 2

      I've sprained my wrist using my hand to vault over the hood of a car that decided it didn't have to check for pedestrians before making a turn...or look up during the turn itself I guess. I was crossing on the same intersection side, from the far side of the road. In a crosswalk. With the go ahead. I have zero faith in anyone else's ability to not be a complete and total retard at any given time.

      That said, there's not any way to get people to follow the no-texting-while-driving laws without invading privacy on a whole new level. I know people that will text while changing lanes. I know other people that will let the phone make all the noise it wants and ignore it till a red light. I don't agree with halting voice communications while driving either. With hands free setups it's no different than chatting with a passenger in the car. Yes, it statistically raises your chances of having a crash, but I'll be damned if you're going to get my approval to make it completely illegal.

      If you made a Venn diagram of people willing to pay for this service and people so braindead that they need it, how much overlap are you really going to have? How did this fact not come to their attention while making this?

    18. Re:A solution in search of a problem... by kwbauer · · Score: 2

      10 and 2 are not mirror opposites either, at least not on any clock I've used.

    19. Re:A solution in search of a problem... by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Speeding = higher risk of crash.

      Meh, that propaganda has been around for awhile...

      How is this modded "Informative" when this thread (GP's and GGP's posts) is about speeding in a school zone (not the Autobahn)?

      The main reason for slower speeds in school zones is often to avoid pedestrian injuries and deaths -- since little kids sometimes do unexpected things and run into roads without thinking.

      To an extent, speeding can perhaps make a crash worse, but that isn't really why we have speeding laws.

      I think if you hit a kid going 25 mph (a typical school zone speed limit), you are already going to seriously injure and maybe kill him/her. But at least at a lower speed you might have a better chance of avoiding the kid by braking, swerving, etc. If you're going 45 mph or whatever the normal speed limit is on that road, the kid is probably dead. Sorry -- but speeding in a school zone BOTH (1) results in a higher risk of "crash" AND (2) will likely result in greater injury.

      We have them to generate income for the government, specifically local and state government, to the tune of $6.2 billion last year.

      Yeah, we'd never enact speeding laws to protect pedestrians in high-traffic areas, or anything silly like that!

      The German Autobaun is safer per mile driven than US highways. Many reasons for it:

      While you make some reasonable points, this has little to do with the present discussion of a school zone. But even outside of schools, there are all sorts of reasons for speed limits that are not politically motivated, like:

      (1) Residential areas or business districts with higher pedestrian traffic

      (2) General density of environment -- e.g., curves or other obstacles that decrease visibility of road ahead, how easy it is to see cars pulling out from side streets/driveways, how many random "manuevers" you're likely to see because cars need to change lanes to make turns, park, etc.

      (3) Traffic flow on busy roads and congested highways: traffic has transition thresholds, sort of like laminar vs. turbulent flow in fluids. If everyone is driving at 65 mph in a highly congested area, and someone just brakes at the wrong time or cuts someone off, it can set up a traffic wave that propagates backwards and might result in stop-and-go traffic for 20 minutes. If, instead, people drive at 45 mph on average in the same traffic density, they have more time to react, and it can actually increase traffic throughput by making stop-and-go traffic less likely. That's one of the reasons many cities have introduced variable speed limits on highways that get lowered near rush hour: they're not trying to generate more revenue (usually) -- they're actually trying to help you get home faster. If you refuse to obey them and end up braking hard because of something unexpected which you would not have been a problem at a lower speed, you're likely contributing to traffic jams.

      SUMMARY: Your argument is about maximum speed limits on straight highways. This thread is about the vast majority of roads which exist in less optimal conditions with less visibility, more obstacles, pedestrians, etc. In those cases, perhaps unlike the Autobahn, speed limits definitely make sense. And Germans agree, since they have speed limits under these scenarios.

      And if you're that jerk you keeps weaving through traffic and passing me on the right in mornings when I'm going through school zones on a busy 4-lane road, STOP IT. You're endangering people, mainly pedestrians (one of whom I actually saw hit during my commute). THAT'S why we sometimes need speed limits.

    20. Re:A solution in search of a problem... by geoskd · · Score: 2

      many studies have shown that when a car hits a pedestrian at 40mph the fatality rate is ten times greater than 30MPH. and in a school zone, there are a lot of kids around... we should be more vigilant about revoking drivers licenses.

      How often do kids end up in a street around a school? Even during student arrivals and departures?

      The reality is that it just isn't that often.

      The hidden cost of speed limits is monumental: There are more than 100 million people driving to work in the US alone. The average commute is 25 minutes. If we slowed the speed limits by 10 MPH, that would increase the commute by a little less than 20%, so about 4 minutes per driver per day. That works out about 6.6 Million hours per day, or just over 1.4 billion hours per year. At an average US wage of over $20 / hour, The lost productivity is around 28 billion dollars per year.

      Back in the 70's, the conservationists claimed we would get 5% or better improvement in fuel economy by switching to 55 MPH instead of 65. Turned out to be less than 1% improvement. That amounts to a saving of about 1.5 Billion Gallons of gas, or $6 Billion USD. So we spent 28 Billion to save 6 Billion.

      OK, so we assume the rest is in lives saved. The NTSB has concluded that the reduced speed limits from 65 to 55 saved around 4000 lives annually, with reductions in speed limits from 45 to 35 saving less than 500 lives per year. Even all told, an across the board reduction in speed limits by 10 MPH would only save 5500 lives. That amounts to a cost to the economy of $4 Million USD per year per life saved. To put that in perspective, Mamograms are estimated to cost less than $50,000 per year per life saved.

      So what about the school zones? how many Children are killed in these zones? The truth is that no one even keeps statistics that have any meaning because it happens so infrequently. Thats not to say that kids die from it infrequently, thats saying that kids are very rarely even hit in these zones. Its rare enough that we don't even really have a big enough sample size to be statistically useful.

      The statistical truth at the end of the day is that our current speed limits cost our economy far more than they save. The Germans did what Germans do: They did the math. They concluded that on open highway speed limits would cost their economy more than they cared to pay, so they did away with them where they were not needed.

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    21. Re:A solution in search of a problem... by damn_registrars · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For certain very lucky values of "safely", sure. Taking your eyes completely off the road to do something is, quite simply, never a good idea.

      Nonesense. You take your eyes off the road all the time in order to specifically drive safely. You take your eyes off the road when you check your speedometer, tack, warning gauges, mirrors, to read road signs and look for crossing traffic, and so on as a function of driving safely.

      Every one of those functions take less time than writing a text message. Furthermore all those functions are designed to be easy and safe to do while driving. Text messaging was never designed with that in mind.

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    22. Re:A solution in search of a problem... by s0nicfreak · · Score: 2

      The thing is, no difference is seen between "driving" and "sitting completely still in a traffic jam for 40 minutes."

    23. Re:A solution in search of a problem... by RandomAdam · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I once tried to reply to a text while going down a gentle grade on my mountain bike....ended up on my ass....pine cone in a shadow caught the front wheel.....I had done it many times before and it was fine. Just goes to show just because you succeed in not crashing 100 times doesn't mean that you will succeed 101 times. I haven't done it again since...too much to do to risk being injured for a text message.

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  2. JUST TURN OFF THE MOTHERFUCKING PHONE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hey I've got a technical solution to this problem, too: TURN OFF THE MOTHERFUCKING PHONE!

  3. Won't work by penguinoid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I predict idiots putting their phones in the passenger seat, and leaning over in addition to their previous phone use. Unless this is a device that can be unplugged, in which case they'll unplug it and then use their phone.

    The technological solution to this problem is self-driving cars.

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    1. Re:Won't work by icebike · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm sure as hell not going to allow even MORE TRACKING just to support this hair brained scheme, Track everyone who ever rode in that car just to maker sure they aren't driving it?

      Phones and car kits already offer to reply that the owner is driving, or to read it aloud, and take a reply verbally. There is no excuse t go all NSA on every passenger.

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    2. Re:Won't work by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 2

      The technological solution to this problem is self-driving cars.

      Amen, those can't get here fast enough...

      But then what will police depts do for money when they no longer have to write $6.2 BILLION dollars worth of traffic tickets?

      After all, self-driving cars should be very legal drivers.

    3. Re:Won't work by penguinoid · · Score: 2

      But then what will police depts do for money when they no longer have to write $6.2 BILLION dollars worth of traffic tickets?

      After all, self-driving cars should be very legal drivers.

      Could have sworn I read about a place that made it illegal to follow every traffic law (because the only people who would do that are people carrying drugs and they don't want to be pulled over). But I can't find it again.

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  4. A different tack by damn_registrars · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How about we just put lights on top of cars that light up brightly when a text message is being sent from anyone in the car? Then the rest of the drivers on the road can avoid those idiots, as the ones who have texting passengers in the car (aside from taxis and such) are generally no better than the ones who are attempting to text while driving.

    The bright light would also make it easier for cops to know who to pull over when they are doing enhanced patrols for these shit-heads as well.

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    1. Re:A different tack by intermelt · · Score: 2

      I find that "taxis and such" are actually more prone to this issue. A few months ago (Chicago suburb) a taxi (town car) driver pick me and a few others up, was texting and talking on his phone the whole way, almost killed us several times on the highway. He was not just texting, he was talking with a headset while reserving things with his phone. This is worse than texting and should be controlled. I know for a fact that most of these drivers in at least NY and Chicago are constantly on their phones while driving. Some of them are cold calling for another business, some are making reservations for their own business. Either way they are putting themselves, their passengers and whoever else is on the road at danger.

      But I do agree with some sort of visual warning if it had to come down to that. Just don't exclude taxis or similar services.

  5. Fines work better ... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Fines and public education work better than a technical solution to stupidity. People understand when it hits their wallet directly and when their phones are confiscated.

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  6. Nobody wants this by Pumpkin+Tuna · · Score: 5, Insightful

    See, here's the thing. Fuck Scott Tibbitts.
    I don't want his technology. There are so many scenarios where this would unnecessarily screw up my life. What if I'm driving and my wife wants to use my phone to answer a call? That's just one.

    More importantly, my car has a built in hands free that I can operate by voice. Why should I not be allowed to use it.

    If we really want to make the roads safer, give me the power to arrest the dipshits that fly around me on the Interstate doing 20 miles above the speed limit and changing lanes like they are at Daytona.

    1. Re:Nobody wants this by jimhill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seriously, fuck this guy. His next step since he can't get anyone to buy his product voluntarily will be to explain to some legislators over dinner (his treat) and maybe a round of golf (ditto) why it's a good idea for them to mandate it. One way or another, our boy Scotty gonna get paid.

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  7. Wrong Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is the wrong solution. People hate driving in general. Before texting was a thing, I would observe people reading the NYT (full blown page open in front of their steering wheel) while commuting to work.

    Driving is boring, and people use whatever means possible to give themselves something interesting to do while it's occurring. Put the research into voice recognition. It's always been easier to talk than to type.

  8. I use my phone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    To call the police and report unsafe drivers. Why would anyone want to take that away from me?

  9. Re: Solution to the Problem by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 2

    I voted for Obama. What was the alternative, again?

    Another big government stooge... Both sucked, so I didn't vote for either...

  10. Who Cares Who's Driving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is completely ignoring the fact that anyone in the car could be using the phone. There have been plenty of times I've been in the car when the driver gets a call and I answer it, or call someone from their phone because they had the number pre-programmed, or I'm looking up direction (or doing anything else) on their phone because their's is better than mine. While phones have become sort-of personal devices (for all you upper class families who can afford the luxury of having smart phones and data plans for each family member), they are still easily shared between people and strangers.

    This still ignores the fact that the parent's phone could have been forgotten at work and Jr is not driving. There are so many other things wrong with this tech. It should be left to die.

  11. 10 and 2 is for older cars by zippthorne · · Score: 2

    It's 9 and 3 if you have an airbag, according to the NHTSA.

    I'm skeptical as to whether there has been any benefit to 10 and 2 since power steering became common.

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    1. Re:10 and 2 is for older cars by Archfeld · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I remember learning to drive on my grandfather's farm in his old Willy's truck. You had to double clutch because there was no syncro-gear and if you hit a deep dip or ditch the wheel would spin beneath your hands. It was vital for the survival of your thumbs to ensure that they were NEVER curled around the steering wheel or risk having them broken or torn off completely.

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    2. Re:10 and 2 is for older cars by Fnord666 · · Score: 2

      I remember learning to drive on my grandfather's farm in his old Willy's truck. You had to double clutch because there was no syncro-gear and if you hit a deep dip or ditch the wheel would spin beneath your hands. It was vital for the survival of your thumbs to ensure that they were NEVER curled around the steering wheel or risk having them broken or torn off completely.

      I was taught the same thing in the Army while learning to drive off road vehicles at high speed. Thumbs outside the wheel always when off road.

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    3. Re:10 and 2 is for older cars by Rakhar · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Have you been in a car crash where the airbag deployed? Your seatbelt is the most important thing, yes, but god damn that airbag is powerful. I can still taste the blood 8 years later. I can honestly say I've never been hit by anything as hard as that airbag, and that was a low speed crash. I almost lost half of an ear to it as well, since I wear glasses. My glasses flew forwards from the initial impact, then the airbag hit with enough force to push the earpiece through my ear and rip the top half nearly all the way off. A tiny piece of skin was the only thing holding it on. To this day I can't wear in-the-ear earbuds because the one on that side works itself out.

      So yeah, as the poster above you said... Airbags are good in life or death situations. For any other crash, they're easily as much of a danger as the crash itself.

  12. bullshit by silfen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    His "solution" is utter bullshit, trying to capitalize on "think of the children", helicopter parenting, and potential legislation.

    It's usually easy to tell whether a driver involved in an accident was texting and the penalties can be stiff (including manslaughter or vehicular homicide).

    Furthermore, the right company to partner with are insurance companies, but they already have a better mechanism for monitoring in place: they don't care whether you text per se, they care whether you drive erratically for any reason. For lower insurance rates, you can agree to monitoring. Nice voluntary solution and incentive.

    Finally, if there is a technical solution to be developed, it's a good voice-based, hands-free texting app that lets you text with a Bluetooth headset. Phone calls and voice interfaces are legal in most places, and will likely remain so. That's also something many people would use voluntarily because it is both safer and convenient.

  13. Engineers and Legislators by Sarusa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Another engineer who thinks he can cobble up a single technological solution to a social problem.

    This is the same sort of hubris that has legislators passing random crap to 'fix' a problem with zero understanding of the problem or the consequences of their solution. It's arrogance. For one, it assumes you're smarter (or at least sharper) than the people you're trying to control.

    (Disclaimer: I'm an engineer.)

  14. More details by jbolden · · Score: 2

    Anyone understands how this works? There are a lot of data features of my phone that pair with driving. GPS being an obvious one with traffic updates. Another is podcast downloads. And if those data networks are open then I assume most texting services other than SMS work. SMS I figure for most people is a tiny percentage of their traffic at this point. So unless they are blacklisting particular services...?

    And of course phone calls have to work: reliable phone while driving is the main reason I own a cell phone in the first place. I assume I'm not alone in this.

    I think easy would be adding to automated responses for all messaging services, "Driving, need to give you a long response, call my cell."

  15. Re:Location, location, location. by stoploss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not going to give a third party who is not strictly regulated in how and what can be done with this information permission to track my location 24/7 in order to tell if I'm driving my car or someone else is just to disable communications.

    This. I can't believe he thought his solution was reasonable when "all" it has to do is have a database of where your family works, goes to school, which cars you own, and, of course track your entire family's location 24/7.

    FFS, I'm an engineer and I take special delight in degenerate solutions, but this is fucked up.

    Maybe this is a degenerate solutions competitive. Okay, let me try one of my own: we will have one member of the Stasi handcuffed to every licensed driver in the country, 24/365. Their job will be to monitor everyone's driving and ensure that the law is being abided. No, of *course* the Stasi member won't share the personal, private aspects of your life with the government... they're just there to keep everyone safe!

  16. Do not mess with my phone. by AchimbaProphet · · Score: 2

    I do not need an increase in the number of ways for my communication channels to be closed regardless of how benevolent the reason. I need more guarantees that my communication channels will be open and available when I need them. Not deactivated by law enforcement or the military or the government, not jammed by tech savvy hobbyists, and certainly not deactivated by an automobile.

  17. Root by nctritech · · Score: 2

    Root phone. Remove nanny state functionality. End of thread.