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School Installs Biometric Fingerprint System For Cafeteria
An anonymous reader writes with news about a school in England that has introduced a cashless cafeteria system that is raising some privacy concerns among some. Stourbridge students will soon be able to pay for their lunch without searching their pockets for change. Redhill School has spent £20,000 updating its dining facilities and introducing a cashless catering system. The system will allow parents to deposit funds into students catering accounts, to be debited by the pupil's biometric fingerprint scan at the point of sale. Headteacher Stephen Dunster said: "The benefits are that pupils are less likely to lose cash, parents know their children are using their dinner money to buy nutritious food and there will also be a system to alert staff if students are purchasing food that they may be allergic to."
biometric scanning of faces by a rent-a-cop's eyes and comparing it to a 2d-scan of that same face on a plastic card the students are holding up before his scanning eyes.
He'll everybody who was sick, who didn't eat their vegetables, who made out with whom and who ate 3 puddings although he's supposed to be on a diet.
He'll share it with the janitor, the cleaning ladies, his wife and their friends.
The costs, 20.000 is about the rent-a-cop's pay, so after the second year, there's a net benefit for the school they can use for more schooly stuff.
But now I make room for the people condemning the new system.
I think this latest story of "progress" falls into the "You have zero privacy now, get over it" category.
Go to Disney World and buy any multi-day pass, and your fingerprints are digitally scanned. I'm sure they would be happy to turn over the data to law enforcement if requested. The prints taken from when you were 5yrs old could be used in an investigation decades later.
Awesome! Let's have everyone use their index finger, touch the same spot and then eat a bunch of food with their hands. What could possibly go wrong?
No, it's about an overly complicated solution to a problem that can be solved with much simpler means.
If the students are required to carry their school-issued ID, that school-issued ID can serve as their payment card, and if there's a concern with fraud in the sense of a different student using the card, then add a PIN pad to the card reader. Mind you, at least in the elementary schools the lunch ladies know who's on free and reduced lunch, who has special diets, etc, so it would be harder for fraud by kids.
Or, cross-link the ID card system's picture database to the POS in the cafeteria, so that when the card is swiped, the picture comes up on-screen, and the lunch lady can see if the student paying is the student on the ID.
And as for elementary schools, at least around here the kids come as a class, and many times the lunch lady simply points to the kid's face on the touchscreen as the whole class is on-screen at one time, so the kid doesn't even need ID.
This fingerprint system seems like an overly complicated, overly invasive means to cover a couple bucks or equivalent-pounds worth of food every day.
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
Kids also need clothes to wear, regular bathing, a bed to sleep, and other meals of the day. If you are unable to provide those things the government can and will. You just have to sign over your rights as the parent.
I'm confused - you said:
And then proceeded to list even more complicated means of solving the problem.
As it is, you can't 'forget' to bring your fingerprint with you, or lose it on the bus, or have it stolen. You can't "share" your fingerprints with your friends by handing them your id & telling them your PIN. And you don't rely on a harried, low-paid "lunch lady" to make a positive ID based on a grainy photo taken 6 months ago against the child who's grown 3 inches, gained 20 pounds, and changed their hair completely in last 3 months standing in front of them.
Screw that..
Just tag'em at birth, never had any complaints from the cat and you can always just scan the QR code tattooed on their forhead when you forget their name/birthday/age again or whatever.
This fingerprint system seems like an overly complicated, overly invasive means to cover a couple bucks or equivalent-pounds worth of food every day.
It is.
First, you don't use fingerprints. The dangers have been discussed on Slashdot enough I don't need to elaborate. You NEVER use biometrics for "casual" security, even more so if there is a third party involved.
Second, the British government LOVES surveillance and I'm sure that their law enforcement community will get access to every thumbprint scanned. If it works here (no major public backlash), it will be implemented across the country for this very reason.
Third, it is not necessary to use fingerprints. A student ID card and PIN should be sufficient. Fraud can easily be avoided by adding a cashier to look at the picture on the card. The cashier can double as a monitor to keep the students in line in the cafeteria.
Fourth, this system will fail the same way it does in the US. Parents will forget to keep the students account topped off and their kids will be sent back to class on empty stomachs.
That's pretty good, but I would have gone with the "no eat list."
We've got a no-fly list.
We are developing a no-work list.
A no-eat list seems the next logical step.
This is still disturbing. Kids are not learning responsibility and at the same time being taught to submit to a draconian authoritative system. While I'm for a safety net in society (housing, food, education, health, etc), some guiding for youngsters to help get them going, etc this takes it to a whole new level. Kids need to learn that there are consequences to not showing up on time, not getting projects done on time, not scheduling things appropriately, forgetting things, etc. Kids should be put in a position to get themselves up in the morning, catch the bus by themselves, pay debts, pay for essentials like meals, given trust/responsibility to do things even when they may fail (teaches kids to overcome and deal with the consequences of failure), etc.
We have more and more young adults who can't manage themselves. Can't get through college simply because they don't know how to get themselves to class on time repeatedly- or work for that matter. They can't even come up with an excuse when they are late-let alone a good one. I've had two employees in the recent past who weren't able to get themselves to work every day on time. And I'm extremely lenient when I say “on time”. If your within 15 minutes in either direction that is “on time” to me. In any event both employees here didn't last long and it wasn't me firing them either. They simply were coddled and continue to be coddled to excess. Both were otherwise intelligent and capable individuals.
cant talk for him but my objection is giving a school a DB of all kids finger prints. Im SO SURE that it would NEVER be accessed by law enforcement for fishing expeditions....
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