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Treasure Map: NSA, GCHQ Work On Real-Time "Google Earth" Internet Observation

wabrandsma) writes with the latest accusations about NSA spying activity in Germany. According to top-secret documents from the NSA and the British agency GCHQ, the intelligence agencies are seeking to map the entire Internet.
Furthermore, every single end device that is connected to the Internet somewhere in the world — every smartphone, tablet and computer — is to be made visible. Such a map doesn't just reveal one treasure. There are millions of them. The breathtaking mission is described in a Treasure Map presentation from the documents of the former intelligence service employee Edward Snowden which SPIEGEL has seen. It instructs analysts to "map the entire Internet — Any device, anywhere, all the time." Treasure Map allows for the creation of an "interactive map of the global Internet" in "near real-time," the document notes. Employees of the so-called "FiveEyes" intelligence agencies from Great Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, which cooperate closely with the American agency NSA, can install and use the program on their own computers. One can imagine it as a kind of Google Earth for global data traffic, a bird's eye view of the planet's digital arteries.

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  1. All under by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The guise of national security.

    I'm surprised they haven't used pedofiles as an excuse[reason] for this.

    1. Re:All under by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm surprised they haven't used pedofiles as an excuse[reason] for this.

      They tried that about a year ago, soon after the revelations. It didn't go over so well for them and kind of exploded in their face when people called them out on their bullshit.

      The propaganda artists in this government aren't as stupid as you might think.

    2. Re:All under by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Then they might have to give numbers and it might turn out that these people are by far not the threat they have been made out to be. Or rather that the problem is people abusing children, and not those downloading illegal pixels from the Internet. And then they might have to do something about it. Which they do not want, as that removes their straw-man. The US government depends on criminals of all sorts being active, to scare the population. So they can never do anything effective about crime, like, you know, outlawing guns or legalizing drugs.

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    3. Re:All under by exomondo · · Score: 1

      The guise of national security.

      So what purpose is it for? Governments come and go, executives come and go, ultimately one day the people making the decisions on these things will no longer control them and they know that so if it's some big massive conspiracy they are going to be victims of it too.

    4. Re:All under by flyneye · · Score: 1

      I'll mount an ass on my roof with a sign that says "Kiss This"

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  2. Re: This must work by MAC addresses... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Both mac and ip can be spoofed so can't really be relied upon.

    I would suggest its an extension of their or existing meta data DB. Going a step further of tying data to specific "devices"

  3. it's over: the media (in the US) have moved on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The last 4 or 5 major disclosures from Snowden documents have gone unreported in the mainstream US press. Sure, you can find them on some more off the path sites, but the mainstream press has moved on. It's not as important as (from current CNN site): "Is this a spaceship or super mall?", or "5 ways to think yourself well!"

    As far as the vast, vast majority of the public is concerned, it's over. Forgotten. Our cultural attention span was exhausted, and nothing happened. The chance of serious change now - like disbanding the organization and arresting those responsible for widespread constitutional violations - is now zero.

    And they know it.

    1. Re:it's over: the media (in the US) have moved on. by Teresita · · Score: 0

      What they don't tell you is anyone can do this in a few hours with a port scanner, at least the IP4 flavor of cyberspace.

    2. Re:it's over: the media (in the US) have moved on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, they likely have a few more tricks up their sleeves than that. As a previous poster noted, mapping specific device signatures can be accomplished by a variety of means, IP and MAC be damned.

    3. Re:it's over: the media (in the US) have moved on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe the people are informed now??

      When the Snowden leaks broke, then people (majority) had no idea. Perhaps we techheads knew, or at least strongly suspected, but the average Joe? This was a shock to them. Both that our government could do this to its people and that now all the chats/emails/web history/etc. they thought were private might not be.

      Now they know, and anything our government does doesn't surprise them anymore. They don't care about the details too much, and maybe some are even scared of finding out exactly how much info the government has, so they don't really care about each breaking story of an additional way the government has spied on its citizens. That, plus habituation, explains why yaSs "yet another Snowden story" doesn't affect them anymore.

    4. Re:it's over: the media (in the US) have moved on. by AHuxley · · Score: 4, Informative

      The good news is people meeting the press are more aware of having their cell phone on or powered and with them.
      The press can now understand that turning off a phone can be seen as getting ready to meet a contact.
      Anyone in the same area at the same time who turns off their phone might be that contact. Kind of a short list :)
      The press is more aware of been under constant surveillance.
      Treasure Map just adds to the collect it all idea and that digital entry or exit points can be fully reconstructed or are always been tracked.
      Thats a lot of expensive effort to put into signals intelligence considering what most skilled nations fully understood about global telephone and computer networks going back over decades.

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    5. Re:it's over: the media (in the US) have moved on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The chance of serious change now - like disbanding the organization and arresting those responsible for widespread constitutional violations - is now zero.

      There was and still is a chance of serious change. There was and still is essentially no chance of NSA being disbanded and all its members being frog marched out in handcuffs. That is a silly fantasy based on a basic misunderstanding of the Constitution, statutory law, the courts, the political process, and plenty of other things.

    6. Re:it's over: the media (in the US) have moved on. by Mashiki · · Score: 0

      You think it started with this? US media didn't even want to report on the issues with Obama, rather all they wanted to do was sing about his racial background without doing any digging. Media in the US has long since moved from "providing information and letting you make a choice" to "telling you their point of view, framed as news." This is why Journolist existed.

      As for cultural attention span being exhausted? Hah no. Rather the media is doing it's best to try and change the viewpoint on anything that happens especially when it becomes too "hot in the kitchen."

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    7. Re:it's over: the media (in the US) have moved on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Turning off?

      You mean removing all power sources, right?

    8. Re:it's over: the media (in the US) have moved on. by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Fits. The rest of the world is better, fortunately. The US is looking more and more like everybodies enemy.

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    9. Re:it's over: the media (in the US) have moved on. by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Depends on the phone used, telco and gov. Just pressing off might be the only option with some tame telco products. Removing a battery might be an option with other telco products.
      A gov or mil may wish to map out the path taken by a member of the press A person turns their phone off in the same area and then both phones are turned on again moving away from each other later?
      Kind of easy to track the members of the press still covering gov and mil stories in person per city.
      If one person left their phone battery in thats a live malware or telco activated mic in real time. Treasure Map would be fun for the office computer, home computer, any devices on the move.

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    10. Re:it's over: the media (in the US) have moved on. by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Some of our governments look at what the USA is doing and salivate and of course the rest of the 5 eyes play right along.

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    11. Re:it's over: the media (in the US) have moved on. by stoborrobots · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or simply temporarily leaving them behind? I'd leave my phone on the desk in my office if I was going to meet a contact I didn't want associated with me...

    12. Re:it's over: the media (in the US) have moved on. by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Well, every good bureaucrat secretly dreams of being a fascist.

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    13. Re:it's over: the media (in the US) have moved on. by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I've been trying to figure out what the problem is with this. Why not have a map of the internet?

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    14. Re:it's over: the media (in the US) have moved on. by dwywit · · Score: 1

      Tinfoil-lined phone cases will be a growth industry. Ditto spoofing software, data poisoning software, etc, etc.

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    15. Re:it's over: the media (in the US) have moved on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure the maid is trustworthy.

    16. Re:it's over: the media (in the US) have moved on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Just leave the damn thing at home.

    17. Re:it's over: the media (in the US) have moved on. by geogob · · Score: 1

      Understanding your logic, The Spiegel must be republican-biased then. Interesting.

    18. Re:it's over: the media (in the US) have moved on. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      We have known for a long time that the war won't be won by convincing governments to behave and hold those responsible accountable. We have to fix the internet by making it secure and mass surveillance too expensive or impractical. As long as engineers pay attention there is still hope.

      What worries me is that Der Spiegel contacted the victims and they said they couldn't find any problems. Maybe GCHQ/NSA backed off, knowing they were likely to be discovered now. Maybe they just couldn't find the bugged hardware. Maybe they were told to deny it by the spies or their PR departments. Only one of those three possibilities offers much hope.

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    19. Re:it's over: the media (in the US) have moved on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As far as the vast, vast majority of the public is concerned, it's over. Forgotten

      Have to disagree. Young folks are naive and trusting, don't have a clue.

      Old folks are pissed off but don't quite understand the scope of things.

      In other words: the more pervasive this becomes, there will be more and more anger. I think the bigger fear is people thinking
      "this is how things always were."

      If there is one thing you can trust on, it is governments being greedier and greedier, demanding more and more.

      "nothing happened" is not true. I have a lot more people eating a lot of crow. Or, at least, they cannot deny things anymore.

      You may say that is nothing, I may be more negative than ever in some ways, but this is just the beginning.

      This isn't something new that Snowden started. This goes back 50, 100 years, more than that.

      It is only over if you let it die. That is your fault if you don't keep repeating widespread constitutional violations took place until something gives.

      It may not be easy, but you are the reporter here. If you let it die, that is your fault. Don't blame others.

      You are the media. Make that bumper sticker, wear that t-shirt, make that email signature, make that website, get your public key.

      There are hundreds of things you can do.

    20. Re:it's over: the media (in the US) have moved on. by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Better a maid gets a phone than a contact blown.

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    21. Re:it's over: the media (in the US) have moved on. by sexybomber · · Score: 1

      Your pithy, quotable wisdom notwithstanding, that's why you have a locking drawer in the desk :D

    22. Re:it's over: the media (in the US) have moved on. by stewsters · · Score: 1

      I believe that that -sV flag covers that.

      http://nmap.org/book/man-versi...

    23. Re:it's over: the media (in the US) have moved on. by strikethree · · Score: 1

      Or simply temporarily leaving them behind? I'd leave my phone on the desk in my office if I was going to meet a contact I didn't want associated with me...

      Sure, but when the RFID tags in your tires are noted going under an overpass and the tollbooth notes your EZPASS... all combined with your cell phone not being seen, you will stand out for immediate black helicopter inspection.

      Don't forget about all of the cameras...

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  4. From looking for people to collecting it all by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Looking at where all data enters and exits the internet (www or the World Wide Wiretap)
    Wifi, VPN, implanted OS or hardware devices, pubic, private, down to MAC address as expected.
    Sorting by Infected hosts or Tor router?
    All part of collect it all :)

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  5. No Anonymous Cowards allowed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone will have all their internet usage examined and your fines will be deducted automaticaly. An email receipt will be sent daily.

    Every user's location and identity is known. Violators will be jailed.

    Have a nice day, Big Brother is watching you.

    1. Re:No Anonymous Cowards allowed. by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Fortunately, in short order nobody will say anything critical of the "authorities" anymore, and "order" will be restored to society. That the economy will also go down the drains is an unfortunate side-effect, but better have "order" (and "security"!) than, say, enough to eat. You have to set the priorities right!

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    2. Re:No Anonymous Cowards allowed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nonsense, there is plenty to eat. We even increased your chocolate ration.

    3. Re:No Anonymous Cowards allowed. by gweihir · · Score: 1

      At the present time, you are, of course, entirely correct!

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  6. Re: This must work by MAC addresses... apk by PPH · · Score: 1

    Probably using something like supercookies.

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  7. Re: Why do you hate freedom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Majority" is clearly a more subjective word than I thought.

  8. Re:This must work by MAC addresses... apk by ASDFnz · · Score: 1

    First, your MAC address is not transmitted past the first hop in the network so it never gets anywhere to be of any use to anyone.

    Second, what is APK? Using abbreviations is great except when it is one you dreamed up yourself and no one else knows WTF you are talking about.

  9. Re:This must work by MAC addresses... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    MAC address doesn't go onto the network, period. It's too bad a HOSTS file can't stop Flash, and Browser Helper Objects, and Persistent Cookies.

  10. Why do you hate freedom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sometimes we must take away a few freedoms to preserve the majority of freedoms.

    I hope you are being sarcastic. Otherwise take a trip to Syria and join ISIS so someone can kill you.

  11. Re:Why do you hate freedom? by PPH · · Score: 2

    I don't see any freedoms being preserved here.

    Sure, there are lots of nasty people like pedos online. And I support law enforcement in their reasonable efforts to remove them. But aside from soothing my conscience, whether some people are downloading kiddie porn or not doesn't affect me.

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  12. So they'll suffer from TMI by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Informative

    Too Much Information (TMI) can be as big a problem as too little information.

    With all that information, you can get a false sense of security that you know enough and get bitten.

    With all that information, you tend to focus on what you see and not what you don't - you develop tunnel vision.

    With all that information, resources that could have been devoted elsewhere are taken up sorting out the trash and the false positives.

    Blank spots stay blank. Example - Android phones have had NFC since Gingerbread, so if two operatives want to exchange data (photos of a target, NSA documents, etc), they can do it in person just by using Android Beam or Bump-to-Exchange, without saying a word to each other, just standing in line to pay for a newspaper.

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    1. Re:So they'll suffer from TMI by transporter_ii · · Score: 2

      The Internet of Things will be of help for this. We need hacks so that everything sends out random information. If they want information, let's drown them in a sea of it.

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    2. Re:So they'll suffer from TMI by olsmeister · · Score: 1

      THIS! I love this idea!
      Your friend,
      Verizon

    3. Re:So they'll suffer from TMI by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      Nations can just use their number stations. One time pads and decades of very safe trusted sleeper agents are promoted.
      Signals gathering expects the world to be using this generations ww2 ENIGMA like network over decades - tame telco crypto networks and internet will bring back lots of useful data as all other nations are not careful.
      The interview with whistleblower William Binney: 'The NSA's main motives: power and money' (19.08.2014)
      http://www.dw.de/binney-the-ns...
      "Money. It takes a lot of money, you have to build up Bluffdale [the location of the NSA's data storage center, in Utah] to store all the data. If you collect all the data, you've got to store it, you have to hire more people to analyze it, you have to hire more contractors, managers to manage the flow. You have to start a big data initiative. It's an empire. Look at what they've built!"
      Face to face, holidays, dual citizens, smart people invited in by rushed digital clearances. Clearances issued for a contractor to bring in expert staff.
      Other nations have no need for their own to use the "Treasure Mapped" internet in any interesting ways.

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    4. Re:So they'll suffer from TMI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How on earth did a useless bunch of non-technical crap like your post get a +4?

    5. Re:So they'll suffer from TMI by gweihir · · Score: 1

      TMI is only a problem is you do not know whom to target. If you want, say, to eliminate a political activist or a foreign corporation, targeting is easy and TMI does not apply. Or if, in the longer term, you want some not conservative enough person from becoming president or a supreme-court judge, all the information is easily accessible and these people can be stopped without the public even knowing. Sounds scary? This is a primary reason to establish a surveillance state: Retaining power and undermining the democratic process and hence it is decidedly in the agenda of the NSA and those that sponsor it. Have to get rid of those pesky "citizens" that think they have a voice. They just disturb the "order" of things. Of course, freedoms go down the drain and the economy is right behind if history and present-day surveillance states like North Korea are any indicator.

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    6. Re:So they'll suffer from TMI by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      Blank spots stay blank. Example - Android phones have had NFC since Gingerbread, so if two operatives want to exchange data (photos of a target, NSA documents, etc), they can do it in person just by using Android Beam or Bump-to-Exchange, without saying a word to each other, just standing in line to pay for a newspaper.

      \ Or you can, you know, just swap a paper envelope full of printed documents. This solution to this problem has already be in use for centuries...

    7. Re:So they'll suffer from TMI by melchoir55 · · Score: 2

      TMI isn't a thing if everything is digital. Machine learning classification techniques (go look up something as simple as maximum entropy) can do a great job of identifying classifications with high accuracy. What is being classified? Well, presumably whatever "they" think are threats to the nation, or at least to whoever has control of the system. One can analyze the behavior of targets deemed a threat and find common features shared between those targets. Even stuff a human would never, ever think to correlate could matter (the humidity, time of day, day of year, AND whether they are a certain religion). The beauty is that a human doesn't need to work out what correlates with a threat. The machine does it. You give it features, it gives you statistical probabilities that the entities in your data are a threat. It would take an enormous amount of computing power to do this with the amount of data the NSA apparently has. Something like this for example:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center

      Then it is just a matter of drawing the line for the threshold of what constitutes a threat. I just described something someone could have done 10 years ago. Machine learning has come along pretty well since.

      The state of affairs is so disturbing because all technical hurdles to a dystopia have been overcome. Someone with these resources won't suffer from information overload. There DO exist learning algorithms which can deal with this much data and they clearly have invested in the necessary hardware. Laws and morality don't appear to be slowing them down. What safeguards are left...?

    8. Re:So they'll suffer from TMI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too Much Information (TMI) can be as big a problem as too little information.

      With all that information, you can get a false sense of security that you know enough and get bitten.

      With all that information, you tend to focus on what you see and not what you don't - you develop tunnel vision.

      With all that information, resources that could have been devoted elsewhere are taken up sorting out the trash and the false positives.

      Blank spots stay blank. Example - Android phones have had NFC since Gingerbread, so if two operatives want to exchange data (photos of a target, NSA documents, etc), they can do it in person just by using Android Beam or Bump-to-Exchange, without saying a word to each other, just standing in line to pay for a newspaper.

      What you've described is an electronic transmission between two computers.

      Not quite sure how the hell you feel your example is any different than me sending an email to my contact halfway around the world that I've never met. Both transmissions run similar risks.

    9. Re:So they'll suffer from TMI by coofercat · · Score: 1

      Start now - install orbot onto your android phone, and make sure it's set to start at boot time. Even if you don't pipe any information down the proxy, at least there'll be yet another Tor log on going on that they have to watch.

    10. Re:So they'll suffer from TMI by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Then you'll love Apple's iOS 8 random MAC plans Wonder why this isn't on Android yet? (Other than apps that require root, etc) Yes, I'm aware of Apple's Beacon network that is in competition with those that run MAC tracking software. That can be turned off.

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    11. Re:So they'll suffer from TMI by chooks · · Score: 1

      Except printers put in identifying information into their printed pages.

      Although AFAIK crayons and/or markers are not identifiable...

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  13. Re: Why do you hate freedom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Couldn't agree more. I fully support law enforcement in this area. However they respect boundaries in order to achieve this goal, they pretty much piss on said boundary whilst strolling past it.

  14. Re:This must work by MAC addresses... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    APK is a renowned Internet kook, hostfile whackjob, fucktard and pedofile. His specialty is threadjacking and sockpuppeting to talk about his malware-infested crapware and various conspiracies. No-one EVER knows WTF he's talking about. The current question of how MAC adresses would get into TCP/IP frames is also a fine example that HE doesn't know what he's talking about, either.

    He will respond to this and any following posts with "learn to read", "you're projecting", "I'm not APK, but he's my hero", re-post the same reply 7 times, etc., etc., etc. until the time_t's wrap around or he has the last post in every sub-thread.

    Hey Kowalski, I thought I told you to fuck off and not come back!

  15. Re: This must work by MAC addresses... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, MAC can. ISPs use modem MACs to allow customers on their network. Change/spoof that and see how far you get.

    Besides. All they need is a small enough circle and cell phone tower records will do the rest.

  16. Re:Why do you hate freedom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sometimes we must take away a few freedoms to preserve the majority of freedoms.

    Do you use any seasoning or you you prefer the boots you lick
    to only have the taste of the boot itself ?

  17. they already do this to real-world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
  18. Re:This must work by MAC addresses... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Second, what is APK?

    You must be new here. Also, it's considered bad form to post from a parent's account.

  19. Come for the info porn. . . by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

    . . .stay for the Bond Villain who, knowing what he's up against, reads "Dorsai!" and comes with a completely off the grid attack.

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  20. Technical Perspective by muphin · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Ok say they get into every ISP's network...
    how are they going to monitor every device? pings? imagine the traffic overhead for that?
    will the NSA have to pay to be in the "fast-lane"?
    what about Dynamic IP's ? how often will they monitor those changes?

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    1. Re:Technical Perspective by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Average nations internet service providers can keep ip, time and user name for a few years at a low cost?
      Average phone companies can keep all details on all calls connected over many years.
      Nations have the data split in real time, the ip, get help from the tame telcos and fully understand the internet crypto as used.
      Collect everything surrounding all message, keywords and usage, save and sort. Find people been tracked connecting to new people, trace the hops and then add in all the new people to trace.
      Storage is now cheap, cpu speed is cheap to sort hops, compression keeps pace over years.
      Voice prints, keywords, phone numbers called all worked well in the past but no need to be so selective with the data around a call, message, fax, email, chat, web 2.0 use.
      eg voice print information will will ensure any call connected with that person globally is kept.
      A new person or people already in the system? Keyword use look into every message so all network users can be sorted, added.
      1960's tech for calls made, numbers used. Voice prints are not new. Massive domestic surveillance exposed in 1970's has been in news a lot.

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    2. Re:Technical Perspective by gweihir · · Score: 1

      You have a second network that transfers the surveillance information. Expensive, but nothing it to good or too expensive to establish a global surveillance-state.

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  21. Re:Why do you hate freedom? by craigminah · · Score: 1

    That's how it begins...

  22. Can anyone get into trouble anymore? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With the possibility that dozens of individuals have full access to your computing device, can anyone actually get in trouble for what is on their computing device anymore?

    A real world example:
    If a dozen people had been shown to have been in your house without your permission, could you be held responsible for anything that is left behind?

    I would think prosecutors are getting very worried about this being brought up by defense attorneys.

    1. Re:Can anyone get into trouble anymore? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      There are already a number of index cases where people had illegal pornography placed on their systems by hackers. Hence it is already a valid defense in some countries.

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  23. no he's not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > APK is a renowned Internet kook, hostfile whackjob, fucktard and pedofile.

    That's not true, he's not a pedofile. He might download a pedo-file, if he's a pedophile. Phile =lover of, so audiophiles love audio.
    I can't argue with the rest of your post.

  24. Sorry apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I take back those lies I just said about you. I'm projecting my own freakishness again.

  25. Re:This must work by MAC addresses... apk by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

    Second, what is APK? Using abbreviations is great except when it is one you dreamed up yourself and no one else knows WTF you are talking about.

    Otherwise known as "The HOSTS file troll." (Google for "hosts file troll apk") Stuck in the '90s, attacks anyone who makes fun of his "solution" by using multiple anonymous accounts. Real name Alexander Kowalski. Demonstrates traits of narcissism, transphobia, etc. Post something negative about his obsolete "HOSTS file solution" and watch the resulting crap-flood.

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    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  26. Re:This must work by MAC addresses... apk by ASDFnz · · Score: 1

    Thanks for enlightening me. I thought from the post that APK was something meaningful.

  27. Re: Why do you hate freedom? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 0

    I think we can really fuck with them. Chaff, deception traffic...

    Let's get started on making more hay for their stacks, people! Hell. You'll run a client for SETI, why not run one to preserve your intelligent life, here on Earth!

    --
    "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
    Never been known to fail..."
  28. Re:No pedo here BarbaraHudson by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

    Sorry, but the post you're responding to isn't mine. Paranoid much? But thanks for reminding me that you also have something against people who are handicapped. Real quality act you got going there, Kowalski.

    --
    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  29. Sockpuppet much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you really keep all these 3 sockpuppets here on slashdot http://news.slashdot.org/comme... ? How many more do you have?

  30. Real FAIL there, BarbaraHudson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why're you running from apk's fair challenge to you here then http://news.slashdot.org/comme...? We've already seen how many sockpuppet accounts you keep here too.

  31. How is that even possible? by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    With NATs, MAC randomization, WiFi hotspots, user agent spoofing, VPNs, TOR, it seems difficult if not impossible to fingerprint the devices that belong to those who strive to remain hidden.

    1. Re:How is that even possible? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      That's the thing. This initiative probably won't help track down hard core terrorists or most pedophiles, unless they're also complete idiots. But that 15-year-old that just grabbed a copy of Kung Fu Panda off the Pirate Bay is screwed for life.

      --
      #DeleteChrome
    2. Re:How is that even possible? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      That seems to be the intention behind this. They also drive cost of doing business up around the globe, making everybody poorer. If that is not evil, then I do not know what is.

      --
      Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
    3. Re:How is that even possible? by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      Here's the other thing. This is either a fool's errand or bullshit/wild exaggeration. It's probably impossible and certainly impractical to make a complete map of the internet.

  32. Re: Why do you hate freedom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You could try. For a while. In the end you're going to be needing to evolve faster than they can. Consider your strengths and weaknesses in that regard.

  33. Re: This must work by MAC addresses... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They don't have to, if the adversary (NSA/GHCQ) has access to ISP records and routers. They can probably tap half the routers between you and the other end of your connection, too. They can get the ISP to match up a broadband customer's modem MAC and serial with credit card records and the IP assigned by DHCP. They (capitalized) will know who you are. You alone can't beat a supremely well-funded and trained government agency. Period. True anonymity requires a major lifestyle change akin to (and probably involving) homelessness. It's more productive to ask what you can do with your time instead of trying to be 1337er than the NSA.

  34. Cackle by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 1

    It's a quote any 'terrorist' could make. It's a quote that would make out anyone who made it a 'terrorist'. Could you be?

  35. Shocker, a federal agency is executing its mandate by laughingskeptic · · Score: 1

    Good to know at least one federal agency seems to know what it means to execute their mandate.

  36. Past all the NATed machines. hmm by AbrasiveCat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While I am sure this is a project that will earn millions of dollars for some companies and promotions for individuals, I am not sure how successful you can be at mapping everything. I would imagine more than half of the Internet is hidden behind various NAT boxes. Even with the help of folks like Comcast, CenturyLink, Verizon, AT&T, and the rest of our friends who might help the NSA and GCHQ; we still have businesses, colleges and universities, and most households with most of their computers hidden behind NAT. Maybe when IPv6 becomes ubiquitous it might be possible. I agree with a earlier post too much data, no enough content.

    1. Re:Past all the NATed machines. hmm by gweihir · · Score: 1

      There has been quite a bit of research identifying machines behind NAT. Have a look in the literature. Of course, it only works for small installations. With large numbers of hosts behind NAT, you need to penetrate. For banks, insurance companies, large hospitals, governments, etc. I am sure the NSA has achieved that globally, as their security typically sucks.

      --
      Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
    2. Re:Past all the NATed machines. hmm by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The content can be sorted, saved once a person is found to be interesting. The ip, MAC and other data around all network use is the Treasure Map prize.
      What network data a business, university or household sends can be looked at in real time for keywords, voice prints or people been tracked.
      Treasure Map provides a much better/deeper understanding of the local network than just ending at an .edu or .com with a lot of users per day on different networks.
      Tame software, tame hardware, junk weak crypto, the tame admin staff member "invited" into a gov public private security partnership could open a lot of the networks expected to be difficult.
      That laptop might drift from a dorm room to free wifi to a home to friends house. A lot of different networks but thanks to public private partnerships not every network is difficult anymore.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    3. Re:Past all the NATed machines. hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IPv6 also brings in IPsec which can make mapping anything more than "X connected to Y" a real bitch.

      And if you think NAT is the nut that even slows down spy agencies, then you must have drunk some strong Kool Aid.

    4. Re:Past all the NATed machines. hmm by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      I can't see how this would be that hard, especially when you consider DOD projects are used to costing tens of billions and lasting for decades (Think JSF, Nuke sub etc) Compared to those budgets and time frames, a big data store of most of everything online would be relatively trivial. Google and Facebook are probably already doing something similar.

    5. Re:Past all the NATed machines. hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would they poke their head out with IPv6?? If the router works just fine, let it route me my packets. I don't need no public address.

  37. One good thing is there by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Now, nobody can claim that they will not get attacked. There is this global, ethically-challenged attacker that does sabotage and industrial espionage and leaves targets vulnerable to other attackers as well because they are not perfect (far from it, they just have tons of money). So in the long run, this might do wonders for IT security in general, even if that revolution may come from countries not too friendly towards the US. Of course, the British run with the big bully, but everybody else is getting more and more wary of that cancer growing in northern America.

    --
    Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
    1. Re:One good thing is there by some+old+guy · · Score: 1

      I like your thinking.

      --
      Scruting the inscrutable for over 50 years.
  38. Re:Why do you hate freedom? by William+Baric · · Score: 1

    Do you see any freedom taken away because of surveillance?

    We are used to hide and lie in order to escape punishment, and of course surveillance will make it a lot harder to successfully hide and lie, but surveillance by itself has nothing to do with freedom. Someone watching you masturbate with pictures of young boys naked will not prevent you from doing it.

    What takes your freedom away is not surveillance, it's not even the police, it's the law. Surveillance and the police are just tools, they're not the source of the problem. If you want to fight for your freedom, fight the source of the problem.

  39. Re:This must work by MAC addresses... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is far more enlightening about BarbaraHudson the sockpuppeteer stalker http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

  40. Re:Shocker, a federal agency is executing its mand by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Not too well. It seems they have stopped zero terrorists so far. But if you think that their mandate is actually spying on ordinary people and economic espionage, then yes.

    --
    Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
  41. Re: Why do you hate freedom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It may be a better idea to simply use weak wifi networks (and a yagi) as your endpoint and drop off the grid altogether.

  42. This has gone way beyond "national security" by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1

    The guise of national security ...

    If the "five eyes" limit their surveillance on the people of their respective five countries the 'national security" argument could still be applied

    But what TFA is describing has gone way beyond their respective national border. Their aim is to extend their authoritarian control over THE ENTIRE WORLD and this is the one thing that the whole world must reject

    Not since the dawn of time _any_ one entity has the control of the entire planet - As a comparison, even the largest empire ever was, the British Empire, in its peak, controlled less than 25% of the world

    The worldwide hegemony must be defeated, dismantled and destroyed, or our future, the future of the Human Race, will forever be shrouded under a thick layer of very dark cloud

    --
    Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
    1. Re:This has gone way beyond "national security" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about the other ones, but the NSA is supposed to be observing everyone BUT people in their "nation border". (I understand the rules are much more complicated, depends on US citizenship, physical location, and foreign associations of both people involved in a communication.)

      And how is observing traffic "control of the entire planet"?

  43. Re:Why do you hate freedom? by gweihir · · Score: 1

    In the end, the "freedom to be free" will be all that remains, but if will not be a freedom you can actually use as that would make you a "terrorist". Have fun in the 4th Reich! As the US is a bit larger than Germany, this time it will take economic collapse to remove the fascism. Can take 100 years or more. Or they might succeed in building a 1000 Year Reich.

    --
    Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
  44. Re:This must work by MAC addresses... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They generate a hash of each device's HOST file and store it in a multi-tiered relational database (which is most likely clustered across at least 3 - 4 servers, each with it's data volume stored on a RAID 10 array for performance and reliability). Thus, if the device gets renamed or connects via another network location, they can just compare the hash of that node's HOST file to the one in their central database.

  45. Re:Right: It's WHY I noted ISP's being "tied in" by Khyber · · Score: 1

    "What you mention is WHY they have you register any modems you buy that aren't theirs into THEIR network (for tracking purposes)."

    I haven't had to register the last two devices of mine. In fact, that's why I've got two full-speed connections for the price of one.

    --
    Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
  46. Re:Wouldn't have to go *any* farther than ISP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TIL APK the networking genius thinks that the MAC address of a cable modem allows ISPs to see the MAC addresses of devices behind it.

  47. Re:This must work by MAC addresses... apk by Khyber · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is APK

    http://www.thorschrock.com/200...

    A clueless, witless idiot that uses threats to try to get his way.

    Tactless, incorrect (the fact he mentions MAC addresses of modems proves he doesn't know jack shit, when that only identifies a gateway device, not an actual user, much like an IP address,) clueless, bull-headed, autistic child without a fucking clue. This is why he has to post AC on Slashdot and why he is banned from Wikipedia.

    --
    Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
  48. Re: This must work by MAC addresses... apk by sexconker · · Score: 2

    Go ahead and spoof your IP and MAC. See how well you can send and receive data online.
    Hint: If you're receiving data back via IP protocols, your IP is visible/traceable.
    Hint: If you're receiving data back on Ethernet networks, your MAC is visible/traceable.
    The ISP you connect to has a log of what IP was assigned to what connection at what time, along with where their control of that connection terminates.

    What you want to be doing is using connections that aren't associated with you in any way, and are not near your place of residence, while using a different MAC every time.

  49. Re:This must work by MAC addresses... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It warms the cockles of my heart to see APK taking something else seriously. Or that could be the whiskey in my veins.

    captcha: reform

  50. Lets begin at the top by Camael · · Score: 2

    Sometimes we must take away a few freedoms to preserve the majority of freedoms.

    Sure, let us begin by taking away the government's freedom to legislate such insanity. If the system is rigged and broken, break the system.

    This quote from Thomas Jefferson seems apt :-

    "God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."

    1. Re:Lets begin at the top by El+Puerco+Loco · · Score: 1

      Thomas Jefferson was a dangerous fool, this country would do well to forget him.

  51. Are you really a transtesticle Barb? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read you are here http://slashdot.org/comments.p... and seeing you keep a TomHudson sockpuppet account http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson... and this other of your many sockpuppets on slashdot too http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2... also makes me believe you may be. Are you? I can see you saying you're handicapped if you cut off your OWN package like that (lol).

  52. Re: This must work by MAC addresses... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uh, I "set" my mac all the time to get a new dhcp/ip. They don't usually do anything about it unless they have rules against that, which would be troublesome.

  53. Time for the voyage to hyperboria? by zelkovamoon · · Score: 1

    It seems like mesh network initiatives like this haven't been covered extensively on Slashdot, though I'm curious as to anyone's take on what protocols like CJDNS and the experimental hyperbora network will be able to do to stop this... of course, the caveat being that we would have to assume that the networks were bigger than they are now, more accessible. Any thoughts?

  54. Are you really a transtesticle Barb? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read you are here http://slashdot.org/comments.p... and seeing you keep a TomHudson sockpuppet account http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson... and this other of your many sockpuppets on slashdot too http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2... also makes me believe you may be. Are you? I can see you saying you're handicapped if you cut off your OWN package like that (lol).

  55. Re:This must work by MAC addresses... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Second, what is APK? Using abbreviations is great except when it is one you dreamed up yourself and no one else knows WTF you are talking about.

    Otherwise known as "The HOSTS file troll." (Google for "hosts file troll apk") Stuck in the '90s, attacks anyone who makes fun of his "solution" by using multiple anonymous accounts. Real name Alexander Kowalski. Demonstrates traits of narcissism, transphobia, etc. Post something negative about his obsolete "HOSTS file solution" and watch the resulting crap-flood.

    I find a hosts file works quite well for me, it's not really his solution - people have been doing it forever. Most people use a browser extension these days, but you can redirect anything by creating a host entry for it and it doesn't only work in the web browser. What is wrong with it? You don't have to trust some random dude(or dudette) who created a browser extension, you can see your host file changes yourself with your own eyeballs and know what's going on.

  56. Re:Why do you hate freedom? by dryeo · · Score: 5, Informative

    The surveillance puts a damper on free speech, it's hard to freely communicate knowing the government can be listening in. This is especially true for dissenting political speech, whether you're part of the opposition party or more extreme the possibility that the government can be listening in dampens. The government is quite capable of screwing you if you come to its attention as a threat of any kind. Whether digging into your tax situation, spreading mis-information or setting you up for a criminal investigation.

    --
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
  57. That idiot cleaned your clock 8 times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On hosts files badly here this past week Khyber http://mobile.slashdot.org/com...

  58. Re:This must work by MAC addresses... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MAC address doesn't go onto the network, period. It's too bad a HOSTS file can't stop Flash, and Browser Helper Objects, and Persistent Cookies.

    Don't install flash? Don't keep your cookies?

  59. Lot of info on you sockpuppeteer troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On how you've been caught trolling + sockpuppeteering on /. by your own words http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

  60. /. is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    /. is dead when we can't get a decent technical comment on a story like this.

    1. Re:/. is dead by StevenMaurer · · Score: 1

      I agree, and it's sad. All I'm reading is uninformed juvenile snark based off some middle-NSA manager's "vision" that is, frankly, technically impossible. And probably was dropped a long time ago - not that this doesn't sell newspapers, of course.

    2. Re:/. is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We did as speculation at least until that transsexual weirdo BarbHudson showed up stalking apk as usual with her many sockpuppet accounts downmodding it where both him/her (shim - he/she freak) and Khyber were shot to pieces by apk using valid technical information.

  61. Are you really a transtesticle Barb? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read you are here http://slashdot.org/comments.p... and seeing you keep a TomHudson sockpuppet account http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson... and this other of your many sockpuppets on slashdot too http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2... also makes me believe you may be. Are you? I can see you saying you're handicapped if you cut off your OWN package like that (lol).

  62. Re:This must work by MAC addresses... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is nothing wrong with it. There are ways to circumvent it before that layer though.

  63. Re:Wouldn't have to go *any* farther than ISP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    apk's got a point as it's all they'd need as your name's on it as acct holder possibly making you liable and face the fact that cisco's been caught inserting backdoors into their stuff with the nsa too.

  64. Just curious how they'd do it... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This IS about devices. What do you register w/ your ISP? Your cable/dsl modem. It's no "big stretch of the imagination" to wonder about when CISCO was recently caught inserting "backdoors" into their router/modem products with the NSA (or even bugs in router/modem firmware they KNOW about how to abuse) to do this.

    So "spoof" your IP address all day long - doesn't matter: It's the MAC Address of your cable or dsl modem that tracks you... *try* to "spoof" that, & see how well you operate @ your ISP afterwards.

    APK

    P.S.=> Only thing I could come up with off the top of my head as to HOW it could be done, & with EVERY single device online... only way I can think of? See above... apk

  65. Facts: Browser extensions vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My FREE hosts program adds speed, security, reliability, & more, by doing more, more efficiently vs. addons + fixes DNS' issues:

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

    http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    ---

    A.) Hosts do more than:

    1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... )
    2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...
    3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome site redirects e.g. /. beta).

    C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less "moving parts" complexity

    D.) Hosts files yield more:

    1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
    2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
    3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs DGA, & Fastflux + dynDNS botnets)
    4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

    ---

    * Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

    * Addons = more complex + slow browsers in messagepassing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray's destroying Adblock.

    * Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption + excessive cpu use too (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)

    Instead, work w/ a native kernelmode part - hosts (An integrated part of the ip stack)

    APK

    P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"

    ...apk

  66. Addendum: True story, AdBlock vs. Hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    W. Palant wrote me by email 1st saying "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:

    "Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"

    Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency AdBlock's proven by research to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & adblock does FAR less than hosts (especially crippled by default).

    I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!

    Result = Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later - that tell you anything? It did me!

    He knows his addon is less efficient & features laden by FAR vs. hosts - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit!

    ClarityRay's also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (it can't DO THAT to hosts files).

    I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock - Funny part is, Wladimir Palant running does too!

    Especially considering "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" has 'souled-out' -> Google And Others Reportedly Pay Adblock Plus To Show You Ads Anyway: http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    APK

    P.S.=> Bottom-Line: Hosts = a superior solution that also fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also)... apk

  67. BarbaraHudson's a sockpuppeteer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who uses many /. accounts to upmod her own posts + for downmodding and trolling others http://news.slashdot.org/comme... is exactly how and it's all shown in that post in her own words, with only some of her many sockpuppets listed at the bottom of that post.

  68. Re:Why do you hate freedom? by PPH · · Score: 1

    This.

    Plus I don't need some crooks (Congress, competitors with deep pockets) looking over my shoulder and front-running any of my venture capital deals.

    You think Snowden was a unique case? Not by a long shot. The only difference between him and many other people scraping up NSA data is that he released it to the public instead of handing it to some buddies in exchange for Hookers 'n Blow.

    --
    Have gnu, will travel.
  69. Computer associates? Thor Schrock? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Birds of a feather (criminal scumbags) that flock together http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...

  70. Thor Shrock and Computer Associates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Birds of a feather (scumbags) that flock together says it all http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...

  71. TimeWarner does... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to use them, and *IF* you buy a new cablemodem of your own vs. theirs? You *MUST* register it with them (or you won't work right).

    APK

    P.S.=> Yes, that "registration" is done by MAC Address ("Gee, I wonder why?" NOT - it's so they KNOW who you are, @ all times, & changing/resetting things on that modem to for instance, get a new IP address, means SQUAT to them (that's not easy to do on THEIR network either: It, however, *IS* on others & less troublesome than what YOU are claiming to have done) - it's ALL MAC ADDY based for their purposes, tracking YOUR account)... apk

  72. Seems like a circular argument by Camael · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What takes your freedom away is not surveillance, it's not even the police, it's the law. Surveillance and the police are just tools, they're not the source of the problem. If you want to fight for your freedom, fight the source of the problem.

    The law and the tools enforcing the law are parts of the same whole. Neither can co-exist without the other. A law which is not enforced is just a meaningless scribble. A policeman without the authority granted by the law is just a hired gun. Conducting surveillance without legal authority is being a peeping tom.

    Fighting the tools is just as important as fighting the source. The tools are what enables the unjust laws. The Prohibition was ultimately ineffective because the masses decided to ignore the law.

    1. Re:Seems like a circular argument by William+Baric · · Score: 1

      A knife can be used to commit murder. Should we fight knives?

      You are obviously wrong when you say surveillance can't exist without the law. Like knives are not used only to commit murder, surveillance is not used only to enforce the law. We all use some form of surveillance everyday to get and verify information and it has nothing to do with us wanting to enforce the law. Even my cat use surveillance everyday and I can assure you it doesn't care much about the law.

      Also, I find quite strange that you seem to depend so much on authority to determine what people can do when, at the same time, you pretend to fight for your freedom. Unless you are yourself in a position of authority, it doesn't make sense.

    2. Re:Seems like a circular argument by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      The Prohibition was ultimately ineffective because the masses decided to ignore the law.

      No, they realized more profit could be made through taxation and licensing. It was amnesty for mobsters to go legit. They still run the business. Just like tobacco. The problem with weed is that it's too easy to grow your own, so it has limited potential in the revenue department, so there, prohibition pays off handsomely.

      As far as this privacy bullshit goes, our only hope is to put them in the same glass house they put us. Only then will you possibly see how respectfully information is used.

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    3. Re:Seems like a circular argument by stiggle · · Score: 1

      The State of Colorado seems to be profiting from weed rather successfully - something like $7 million a month in state income (tax, licence, etc)

    4. Re:Seems like a circular argument by anagama · · Score: 1

      You confuse an object with wide range of utility and a limited set of nefarious uses, a knife, with a system of technology and techniques with a limited range of utility and vast capability for misuse (mass surveillance). I suspect the annual proportion of illegitimate knife use to legitimate knife use is so low, it would look stupid to even write it out.

      If we round up substantially, we get about 2000 knife murders per year in the US. http://www.economicpolicyjourn... There are roughly 300,000,000 people. Let's say each person uses a knife on average once per day (spreading butter, chopping veggies, cutting string, killing people). That's 109,500,000,000 knife uses per year. 2k/109,500,000k -- that works out to a proportion of 0.00000001826484 evil knife uses per legitimate knife use.

      Note: there are more than 300m people in the US, there are actually fewer than 2000 knife murders per year, and most people probably use a knife more than once per day. There are of course other illegitimate knife uses than murder, but considering that the number up there is extremely generous to your argument, we could probably call it a wash.

      --
      What changed under Obama? Nothing Good
  73. Re: Why do you hate freedom? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2

    But you have cookies, and browser fingerprints, and logons, and device ID / Application ID info...

    Riding on a free uplink doesn't do jack.

    --
    "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
    Never been known to fail..."
  74. By the way fool... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not banned on wikipedia: I can edit there all I like & I always post ac here on /. (since 2005 iirc).

    Personally?

    I never saw the use, or value, of a /. "registered 'luser'" account like YOU use!

    (& you ARE A SORE LOSER, see link below, no doubt about it)

    Now, you *might* want to talk to BarbaraHudson = http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson... AND http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2... your fellow troll here:

    Question: DO YOU *THINK* I'D EVEN WANT TO BE *ANYTHING* LIKE YOU 2 LOSERS ARE?

    No way... sockpuppets galore, see above.

    * You still a "wee bit sore" I tore you apart on hosts files here this week http://mobile.slashdot.org/com...

    ?

    APK

    P.S.=> Answer = "YES" to that LAST question, no doubt about it... lol, but seeing you REDUCED TO LIES too? LMAO - please...

    ... apk

    1. Re:By the way fool... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're so delusional. By the way, your little program is spyware, now. You wanna know how? Because it's been copied, modified, and tossed all over the net, by yours truly.

      Nobody will trust your name, now. Oh, and I'm going to hand Khyber your contact info.

  75. Re:Why do you hate freedom? by JonathanR · · Score: 1

    So you're acknowledging that it is the coercion and threats thereof which are the chilling mechanism; not the surveillance per se.

  76. Guns. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is it going to take for you to pick your guns up and put them to the use for which they exist?

    Protip: If you are being marched to re-education camp, that would be too late.

  77. Re:Why do you hate freedom? by dryeo · · Score: 1

    Huh? They go hand in hand, without the surveillance wouldn't have to worry about the coercion and threats and why do the surveillance unless looking for dirt.

    --
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
  78. Re: it's over: the media (in the US) have moved on by Rujiel · · Score: 1

    Is that why you trolls are here in full force? Because your handlers think no-one cares? Yet here you paid fucks are here shilling lies, just like always. Fuck you, you lose. Collect your paycheck and kill yourself. You'll be doing a favor to anyone who values the truth.

  79. No, they won't. by mveloso · · Score: 1

    Have you heard the good news about Big Data? It's, like, the new thing.

  80. Re: Why do you hate freedom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If your name is never connected to a cookie you're good. Use a VM for browsing and torrents, use Tails for Tor. If they find you you're someone down the block who knows nothing, and intelligence agents are lazy so they'll drag him into Room 101 instead.

    Off grid doesn't mean that you do nothing online, you want to establish an extremely boring "pattern of life" so no one chooses to look at you. It means that you do banking and family/friends email and nothing else on an ID linked account.

  81. Re:Khyber, after our debate on hosts? by Khyber · · Score: 1

    Uh, yea. Charter.

    Magic trick? Get different services that require different boxes (cablecard/net, phone/net, super-speed net.) Then swap out boxes with your own (excepting phone/net modems.) Then cancel in a specific order, leaving only the internet up. All boxes have internet access. Dual 100mbit and a 60 mbit line, for the price of 60 mbit plus phone.

    You're so useless it's funny. What're you gonna do, threaten to sue me for libel when your sorry ass has no leg to stand on being proven time and time again that your outdated shit is exactly that, outdated and useless?

    --
    Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
  82. Re:Why do you hate freedom? by William+Baric · · Score: 1

    When people think of surveillance, it's always with the Orwellian model in mind. The problem with Orwell is that he had no idea something like the Internet would ever exist. He had no idea everyone would constantly have a camera on them, with the ability to immediately share everything with everyone. Because of that, his vision is now more or less obsolete.

    So instead of the obsolete Orwellian model, imagine a world where surveillance is so common that even the government or anyone with power, even your boss, is under constant observation by everyone. How can those person screw you?

  83. Re:Why do you hate freedom? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    If you want to fight for your freedom, fight the source of the problem.

    How do you fight against the universe?

    --
    “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
  84. Your country is North Korea, right ? by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1

    Thomas Jefferson was a dangerous fool, this country would do well to forget him

    If you are from North Korea, you are right

    But if you are an American, take my advice --- get a visa, fly to North Korea, and when you arrive at North Korea, tear that North Korean visa to shred and demand a political asylum !

    --
    Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
  85. Re:Why do you hate freedom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is one of those cases: we must take away the freedom of governments to spy on their citizens in order to save the freedom of their citizens.

  86. Re:Why do you hate freedom? by ajb673 · · Score: 2

    How can those person screw you?

    They can screw you quite easily because they're the ones in control of the surveillance and the power. Do you really expect those in power to let us know that they've done anything unlawful?

  87. Re:Why do you hate freedom? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    But aside from soothing my conscience, whether some people are downloading kiddie porn or not doesn't affect me.

    So you wouldn't mind if videos of your own kids * being raped were being passed around?

    * Or, this being slashdot, your nieces/neighbour's kids or whatever.

    --
    To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
  88. Re:Why do you hate freedom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Absolutely! I would like my freedom to randomly murder people and not pay taxes returned, please. All this "society" malarkey is for the birds. Every man for himself!

  89. Consider it done by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 1

    Oh we already have enough random data in the pipe: facebook, twitter and youtube.

    --
    Nae king! Nae laird! Nae yurrupiean pressedent! We willna be fooled again!
  90. Re: Why do you hate freedom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    think we can really fuck with them. Chaff, deception traffic...

    In the end you're going to be needing to evolve faster than they can. Consider your strengths and weaknesses in that regard.

    Not really. Consider what happens if you don't.

    That is a defeatist attitude, and with all due respect, you deserve loss of liberty if that is how you see things. That is not an option.

    You are your own weakness, and sap your own strength. If you want to give up without a fight, that is your loss.

    You should read some Military and Navy security papers some time. "Evolve faster" has nothing to do with anything, even the world's largest, best-funded intelligence agencies know that it is a matter of who uses their resources most EFFECTIVELY. Not "who has the most resources" not "who can deceive the most people most of the time" even but who is most EFFECTIVE with what they have to work with.

    An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Perhaps you should ponder that. "Evolve faster" just does not matter. To a point, but it is not the end-all be-all of everything. That is arrogance and how empires fall, story as old as time.

    It is, quite frankly, naive, young, timid, loser talk -- whatever side you are on.

    No offense, you might as well stay in the library if that is how you feel. Be the announcer maybe.

    There is no need for you and your attitude.

    Unless you are an NSA or GCHQ agent deliberately attempting to sabotage people, you are worthless and should hang your head in shame for that kind of talk. Supposing you are, it is pathetic and too easy to see through you -- please step up your game if you expect anyone to take you seriously.

  91. Re:Why do you hate freedom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    surveillance by itself has nothing to do with freedom.

    Not true. You will be the first to say you would not like a camera on you 24/7 broadcasting to the world.
    Sorry, but put up or shut up. Where's your live feed? You are all empty talk, sitting from a spoiled privileged position.

    No offense, you may not see the problem, but you are delusional on that point.

    If you want to fight for your freedom, fight the source of the problem.

    Don't disagree here. But surveillance and "the law" are one and the same. The "law" needs private companies to get government contracts.

    So, the "public" and "private" factions merge into an orgy of corruption, and there is no separation anymore.

    If you can't make an omelette without cracking a few eggs, then the eggs are indispensable at that point. Once the egg is in the omelette,
    there really is not any "reverse course" option where you can dissect the egg itself back out, fully intact, and place it back inside its shell.

    The companies who do business with "the law" are one and the same at some point. I will still agree there is a far cry between one lone camera maker who government agencies happen to prefer and an ISP that has secret back-room deals to monitor all traffic.

    So not all surveillance is of the same level, sure.

    "The law" is not obeyed. "The law" is ignored. Do you see NSA people in jail for lying to congress?
    Me neither. Where is "the law" on that one? Being pissed on, and smiling and enjoying it.

  92. You are mistaken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the goal was genuinely security you would be right. Call me a CT, but by now i think the goal is not prevention in itself but rather reaction/punishment : if anybody become "relevant" you then have all the info already ready and can ass rape their privacy and their life at a button press. Think of this : the old guard politician and spook will have now *ALL* information they wish about whom the new whipper snapper rising politician meets or any dirt they want on somebody or pile on crime if they want somebody gone.
    That is the true benefit of the massive surveillance. Crime prevention is just some sugarcoating to fool average citizen, especially since the average citizen has no understanding that violent crime is dropping and terrorism is probably not as deadly to them as taking a bath.

    I am now morbidly watching what is becoming of the US, I just hope I will have dead of old age before the powderkeg explode.

    1. Re:You are mistaken by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      That works until people refuse to back down over what others think they should be embarrassed about. Just as open source has benefits, so does "open life," one benefit being that you simply can't be coerced by threats to do something or "they" will reveal some "terrible secret."

      Case in point: Last fall a developer at a public meeting attended by over 100 of my neighbours outed me as a transsexual when I spoke out against their plans. Totally illegal, and backfired on them when I forced them to take out display ads in the two largest newspapers publicly apologizing to me for their comments. (I consider this one way of "paying it forward" for those who have gone before me and made my current life possible).

      In times past, being gay or lesbian, being divorced, being poor, being non-white, being a single mom, not being a virgin (but only for women - men were praised by their peers for being whore-masters), having an abortion, coming from the wrong side of the tracks, being crippled, having to deal with a mental illness ... these were all levers to shame people with. Simply doesn't work any more, and the more people are open about their lives, the easier it is for the next person to stand up to blackmailing bullies.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    2. Re:You are mistaken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see you still don't believe in free speech, but welcome back anyway.

    3. Re:You are mistaken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you realize you're talking to /.'s own Frank N. Further (transsexual nutjob barbhudson = tomhudson, for real. Ask him/her (whatever "it" is, lol, a "shim"/"HeShe" freak).

    4. Re:You are mistaken by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Thank you. I certainly believe in free speech - but I also believe that nobody has the right to try to shut me up by outing me to over 100 of my neighbors. That was attacking the messenger instead of the message, and like all such attacks was intended to stifle free speech - in this case, a point-by-point analysis of how what they were doing was blatantly illegal (and the court sided with me and two of my neighbors who didn't cave in to the threats and pressure tactics).

      It almost worked too. I was totally unprepared for such garbage - after all, this was a community meeting run under the city's ageis, not slashdot :-) Was I embarrassed to death? You betcha! But rather than run from it, which is as impossible as putting the toothpaste back in the tube, I've chosen to embrace being out. It's the only practical and constructive course of action, so why not?

      Now on the question of their right to free speech in outing me ... that's a direct conflict with my right to the privacy of my medical records and my private life. Not only that, but purposefully outing someone is recognized as a hate crime here, and for good reason; there are still people who think transsexuals make good targets for violence, since most transsexuals will NOT complain to police. Same as many, if not most, sexual assaults are not reported. You just want the whole damn world to leave you alone in your misery, like a wounded animal. Anything more is threatening, rubbing salt in the wound.

      Even the US courts recognize limits to free speech, as in shouting fire in a crowded theatre. It's a balancing act, but gratuitously endangering someone is not really justifiable as a free speech issue.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    5. Re:You are mistaken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you. I certainly believe in free speech... It's a balancing act

      Nonsense! Words are nothing. The important thing is whether people can control their reactions. Nothing. else. matters. period. Like all the others you attack exactly the wrong target. The listener is the only problem. They are the zombie hoards. Attacking the speaker is a complete cop out, a matter of convenience, nothing else, and does nothing to teach respect. You have no right to impede any communications, ever. It only radicalizes people, and rightfully so. I will stand with them all the way. You have to learn that it's not what people know that's important, but what they do with the knowledge. Free speech comes with no qualifications whatsoever. If you want any limitations at all, then you simply do NOT believe in free speech. There are no "buts". And the law is an ass.

    6. Re:You are mistaken by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      If "words are nothing", as you posit, then free speech, which is composed of words, is also nothing. Ditto for the term "free speech".

      Free speech does not exist in a vacuum. It is not a license to hurt others, at this impinges on others freedoms, as well as, in some cases, their personal safety. Should people not be held accountable when they lie for profit, in the name of "free speech?" They're free to lie, and free to be punished for it. See the difference?

      Should people not be held accountable for inciting hatred or violence towards someone else in the name of "free speech"? They are free to do so, but they again have to accept the consequences of their actions. Free speech is not a "get out of jail free" card.

      Free speech, like every other right and freedom, comes with both responsibilities and obligations.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    7. Re:You are mistaken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You outed yourself here on slashdot though, didn't you Frank http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ?

    8. Re:You are mistaken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Free speech is free speech. Words incite nothing, or maybe you don't believe in free will. The problem is that people can't/won't control their reaction. And the proof is in those who don't react. You are still thinking completely backwards. The people who listen and believe the words are the "criminals". The followers are the dangerous ones. Rush Limbaugh has only one vote, but his audience can affect the outcome. How famous would Hitler be if nobody listened and followed his "orders". How many people did he personally kill? No, his soldiers did it. They are the bad guys. You should teach people to resist the charisma, instead of imposing some arbitrary prohibition. Freedom of choice and freedom to "offend" are paramount. I think the Australians have that saying, "Toughen the fuck up!". If you feel you are "assaulted" by words, then your only righteous recourse is to fire back with more words. You have no right to put a gun to a guy's head and say, "Shut up!".

  93. Re:Why do you hate freedom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    under constant observation by everyone. How can those person screw you?

    That is already screwed. There is no "you" at that point. If the only "you" that exists is "under constant observation by everyone"
    than there is no "you" left anymore at that point.

    It may not be as bad as Snowden says, but I am inclined to agree. That is a radical change of what constitutes "you."

    So no, perhaps they cannot screw you, but you are already screwed at that point.

    If that's all you've ever known, you won't notice the difference, of course. Not unless you read "obsolete" tales of bygone eras and dream of such a thing might be possible, and then you get the crazy idea to try it (or, at that point, you would have to convince/fool others to get on board).

    The thing is, if my mind is not allowed to go where it wants to go, even places I do not wish to take it, I will radically change course about things I think about if I know my thoughts are being transmitted. That is a step further, but not that much, I don't think.

    Now, if you want to say we are all part of one great collective life force anyhow, that still won't make me feel any better about such things, but at least I would see a point, that it is more "efficient" perhaps to cooperate than not. That still just does not seem worth the trade, to me.

    I don't think the Orwellian model is obsolete, I think you are newspeak-ing us, either knowing exactly what you are doing, testing us for sentience, or have been deluded yourself. May be a combination of all those things.

    OF COURSE by the time things get widely deployed the "Orwellian model" is obsolete. Duh. That is what the government bootlickers would obviously say. No shit, Sherlock.

    Is it that bad already? How old are you?

    If all you know is constant surveillance, then yes, the "Orwellian model" is obsolete, because it has come the norm. No duh.

    At that point, the battle is already over. Are you giving up early? Testing the waters? Just prefer independent thinking to
    blindly accepting "normal" viewpoints?

    While it is a brave step forward, and I commend you on testing things, it is 100% rubbish.

    An interesting thought, but "constant observation by everyone" is not going to make angels out of everyone.

    You need to accept human nature for what it is. Not that I wish to see you hurt or injured or heartbroken, but if you don't learn
    now, it will just hurt more later. No, everyone is not bad. That doesn't change things.

    Large groups of people are dangerous and stupid, yes. All the time, anytime. No, individuals are not magically smarter or
    more moral. But your argument, in the end, is simply "trust the crowd" and that is empty, collectivist bollocks.

    Aside from anything else, it is not compatible with how some countries (in theory, long gone now) are supposed to operate.

    It still does not make you wrong, but there is no need to abandon an already 99% flawed reality for one with no discernible improvement. I will keep that last 1% of hope, thank you.

    You sound already sold. Which is fine. But you have to sell us on what we gain. I don't see any benefit. There is no reason to accept
    your "imagine a world" except as a sign you will do it anyway, whether people agree to your world view or not.

    Yes, if you ignore everyone who disagrees with you, then at that point the Orwellian model is "obsolete" because anyone who disagreed
    was ignored. It is just self-fulfilling tripe.

    You might say the same thing, "surveillance is the $ux0r!" is just self-fulfilling garbage too, and just creates the problems it anticipates.

    There is a choice. And "obsolete" is just slang for "we already decided without your input" I am afraid. Either you are deliberately deluded, sneakily selling us, or just testing the waters.

    I'm not sure I have a valid reason, or one that I care to explain, but I suppose, I still do not want to go there. It is not something I want to imagine. I do not refuse to,

  94. Re:This must work by MAC addresses... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    P.S.=> Mere speculation but... any thoughts? apk

    No, I don't see any indication of thought in any of your texts.

  95. Re: Why do you hate freedom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chromebook in developer mode can ghost it's mac address easily. You can also set up a Raspberry Pi as a pass-through device for the sole purpose of sanitizing connected traffic and automating connections to a VPN darknet. It is difficult to implement but if you're smart enough to avoid logging in to your personal gmail with your device MAC address tramp stamping every packet you're already making good progress with an "Incognito" browser window.

  96. Re: Why do you hate freedom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, We don't.

  97. Wikipedia by gargleblast · · Score: 1

    I'm not banned on wikipedia: I can edit there all I like ...

    Yes! I remember that. How'd it go again?

    Thank you for coming to the talk page to discuss this. Your additions have been removed (twenty times now) because they are not suitable...

  98. Nothing could go wrong ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... Right? ... What's going on? ... Why am I being arrested? ... I am not part of ISIS or AQ ... I was only trying to rent "Lawrence of Arabia" from Redbox ... No, don't shoot! Please!!! ***blam***

  99. Joe Biden for 2016 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Joe Biden is a square shooter. Joe Biden for 2016!

  100. He asked for others' thoughts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject. Learn to read.

  101. If they're "not suitable"? Prove them wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go for it (instead of minus modding them to try hide them) here http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    APK

    P.S.=> Nothing I've ever written on hosts is unsuitable (or offtopic, unless a moron like the transtesticle multiple sockpuppet using FREAK BarbaraHudson = http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson... AND http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2... shows up noting them (& I just do what I did to you - challenge you to PROVE MY POINTS WRONG, & you never can - period (they're rock-solid fact is why))... apk

  102. Re:BarbaraHudson: Sockpuppeteer... apk by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    I wrote:

    Otherwise known as "The HOSTS file troll." (Google for "hosts file troll apk") Stuck in the '90s, attacks anyone who makes fun of his "solution" by using multiple anonymous accounts. Real name Alexander Kowalski. Demonstrates traits of narcissism, transphobia, etc. Post something negative about his obsolete "HOSTS file solution" and watch the resulting crap-flood.

    You wrote ... the same old outdated crap as always ...

    Thanks for proving my point. BTW, I wasn't the anon poster you replied to elsewhere. I have neither the time nor the interest to post anon. Unlike you, who has no choice except to post anonymously. BTW, you might want to read the results of googling "hosts file troll apk". You have quite the reputation of being a net-kook.

    --
    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  103. LMAO - WRONG (impossible: Why?)... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IF you modify my program by even 1 byte it signals it's changed & won't run, stupid.

    * It's my method for "native/built-in" antivirus protection EVERY APP should have, & that I was upmodded for here on /. for no less, in "CODING FOR DEFCON" years ago -> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    It works (so you've shown us ALL you're full of crap, lol!).

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a delusional fool - & Khyber (as far as hosts files go)? LMAO - I burnt his dumb ass 8 TIMES on hosts this week, all consolidated here -> http://mobile.slashdot.org/com...

    ... apk

  104. BarbaraHudson troll by multiple ac method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p... :

    "HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off)." - by tomhudson (43916) barbara.hudson@ ... a - h u dson.com on Saturday April 16, 2011 @01:38PM (#35841122) Journal

    Gosh - TomHudson, look @ that email address on that post (BarbaraHudson, anyone?), 1st of all - Secondly:

    So - Isn't that *EXACTLY* what you're doing here with all the AC posts libeling me calling me a pedo, which I am NOT?

    Sure is, see below:

    ---

    BarbaraHudson by AC #1 calling me a pedo -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    BarbaraHudson by AC #2 disagreeing calling me a pedo -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    ---

    First stating I am, & then NOT, via ac posts??

    I don't *think* you "GET IT", do you??? I've got YOU, completely 'clocked' cyclops... & YOUR OWN WORDS DO YOU IN, every time... lol!

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a pitiful little transparent stooge of a sockpuppeteer + ac troller, BarbaraHudson = http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson... AND http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2... (& from what I've read here, you're also somekind of TWISTED FREAK that did a sexchange to yourself, lol... wow!)

    ... apk

  105. No Khyber: On the SAME initial service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're full of shit since harmonic filters are applied on the cable (small cylinder) on *ANY* connection, separating them from doing multiple services on 1 line *IF* said service isn't paid for to do so on that particular line (I used to install these "back in the day" long ago stupid).

    Plus?

    CHARTER MUST BE STUPID THEN IF THEY DON'T HAVE YOU REGISTER IN YOUR MAC ADDRESS ON NEW MODEMS ON THEIR NETWORK!

    (Huge blunder that - however, THAT is assuming YOU tell the truth... & I do *NOT* think you are!)

    NOW - *IF* you paid 3x the normal like it sounds like to do THAT? You're stupid - there's FAR EASIER WAYS to do that from a SINGLE box, dumbass...

    (It's your money though, lol! Glad to see you spend it "so wisely", lol, which explains WHY you probably have nothing since you certainly are NOBODY & a "ne'er-do-well" troll, nothing more).

    APK

    P.S.=> I can't *believe* you're that stupid - then again, you showed how STUPID YOU ARE this week when I scorched you 8 times on hosts files, here http://mobile.slashdot.org/com...

    ... apk

    1. Re:No Khyber: On the SAME initial service by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "(I used to install these "back in the day" long ago stupid)."

      No you didn't, because we didn't use harmonic filters 'back then.' We used a cosine shaping filter 'back then' on analog cable modems. Ya, I used to work for Stream as a Time Warner technician, you nitwit.

      Still wrong, as always!

      --
      Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
  106. No transtesticle: Prove my points wrong... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's all (go for it): You said you have before, do it now... & are you a transtesticle? I read from YOUR OWN MOUTH you are... WoW: THAT, explains a LOT on why you're such a whacko (seriously)...

    My reputation's FINE (lol, especially compared to yours, freak - wtf is it with this sex-change you had I read about here, lol?)...

    APK

    P.S.=> Now - As far as your methods using multiple REGISTERED /. accounts AND how you troll by ac?

    LMAO:

    You noted that too (busted by your own words again stupid)? See here -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

  107. Barb you stated you troll ME by ac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're a liar transtesticle: This proves it (your own words) - FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p... :

    "HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off)." - by tomhudson (43916) barbara.hudson@ ... a - h u dson.com on Saturday April 16, 2011 @01:38PM (#35841122) Journal

    Gosh - TomHudson, look @ that email address on that post (BarbaraHudson, anyone?), 1st of all - Secondly:

    So - Isn't that *EXACTLY* what you're doing here with all the AC posts libeling me calling me a pedo, which I am NOT?

    Sure is, see below:

    ---

    BarbaraHudson by AC #1 calling me a pedo -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    BarbaraHudson by AC #2 disagreeing calling me a pedo -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    ---

    First stating I am, & then NOT, via ac posts??

    I don't *think* you "GET IT", do you??? I've got YOU, completely 'clocked' cyclops... & YOUR OWN WORDS DO YOU IN, every time... lol!

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a pitiful little transparent stooge of a sockpuppeteer + ac troller, BarbaraHudson = http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson... AND http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2...

    ... apk

    1. Re:Barb you stated you troll ME by ac by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Neither one of those posts calling you a pedo is mine. I have no knowledge of that one way or another, and frankly, I don't care. That's between you and the cops.

      But the editors have my permission to verify the IP addresses of the anon posts you claim are me, and to publish their conclusions, just as I offered the last time you falsely accused me of sock-puppetry.

      Oh, and thanks for confirming your transphobia (transtesitcle? Come on ...). There's no secret that when I was outed on slashdot, I changed my account to reflect reality. Just like there's no secret that I was not able to use a computer for the last few years because I was going blind. So now that one eye is good enough to use a computer, and the other, thanks to retinal microsurgery, can see well enough to tell that a car is about to run me over, it was easier to just create a new account. (So much for being a cyclops. But even when I was almost blind in both eyes and things looked grim, it was just another of life's challenges, nothing to be ashamed of. And when I do ultimately go permanently blind, I'll cope. I always do.)

      But if you read what you quoted carefully, I told others how to troll you back - using the same tactics you use.

      Why? Because net-kooks like you are a reality of life, and if people don't know just how much of a nut-bar you've continuously been over the years, they might actually fall for your hosts file crapola. It, like you, are obsolete.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    2. Re:Barb you stated you troll ME by ac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody believes a sockpuppeter (you). Your words did you in. Spoofing ip addy's = easy too. It's why courts don't consider an ip address a person. You're a twisted psychotic obviously.

  108. Ask yourselves these questions... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock do the following things (that custom hosts files can):

    1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers
    2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
    3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
    4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
    8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
    9.) Keep you off dns request logs
    10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
    11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
    12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
    13.) Block out trackers
    14.) Block spam mails sources
    15.) Block phishing mails sources

    "?"

    * Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.

    APK

    P.S.=> Of course, ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above as far as "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) is concerned -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/...

    So, *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?

    That's illogical, but up to you - I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink!

    ... apk

  109. Prove my points wrong, transtesticle... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My FREE hosts program adds speed, security, reliability, & more, by doing more, more efficiently vs. addons + fixes DNS' issues:

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

    http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    ---

    A.) Hosts do more than:

    1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... )
    2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...
    3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome site redirects e.g. /. beta).

    C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less "moving parts" complexity

    D.) Hosts files yield more:

    1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
    2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
    3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs DGA, & Fastflux + dynDNS botnets)
    4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

    ---

    * Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

    * Addons = more complex + slow browsers in messagepassing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray's destroying Adblock.

    * Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption + excessive cpu use too (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)

    Instead, work w/ a native kernelmode part - hosts (An integrated part of the ip stack)

    APK

    P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"

    ...apk

  110. Re:Shocker, a federal agency is executing its mand by laughingskeptic · · Score: 1

    When the CIA launches a hellfire in this middle of nowhere, where do you think the information came from?

  111. Barb, are you really a transtesticle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read you are here http://slashdot.org/comments.p... and seeing you keep a TomHudson sockpuppet account http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson... and this other of your many sockpuppets on slashdot too http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2... also makes me believe you may be. Are you? I can see you saying you're handicapped if you cut off your OWN package like that (lol).

  112. Barb, you trolling me by ac posts again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Caught red-handed again, by your own words, FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p... :

    "HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off)." - by tomhudson (43916) barbara.hudson@ ... a - h u dson.com on Saturday April 16, 2011 @01:38PM (#35841122) Journal

    Gosh - TomHudson, look @ that email address on that post (BarbaraHudson, anyone?), 1st of all - Secondly:

    So - Isn't that *EXACTLY* what you're doing here with all the AC posts libeling me calling me a pedo, which I am NOT?

    Sure is, see below:

    ---

    BarbaraHudson by AC #1 calling me a pedo -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    BarbaraHudson by AC #2 disagreeing calling me a pedo -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    ---

    First stating I am, & then NOT, via ac posts??

    I don't *think* you "GET IT", do you??? I've got YOU, completely 'clocked' cyclops... & YOUR OWN WORDS DO YOU IN, every time... lol!

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a pitiful little transparent stooge of a sockpuppeteer + ac troller, BarbaraHudson = http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson... AND http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2...

    ... apk

  113. Quit projecting & prove my points wrong... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My FREE hosts program adds speed, security, reliability, & more, by doing more, more efficiently vs. addons + fixes DNS' issues:

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

    http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    ---

    A.) Hosts do more than:

    1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... )
    2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...
    3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome site redirects e.g. /. beta).

    C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less "moving parts" complexity

    D.) Hosts files yield more:

    1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
    2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
    3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs DGA, & Fastflux + dynDNS botnets)
    4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

    ---

    * Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

    * Addons = more complex + slow browsers in messagepassing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray's destroying Adblock.

    * Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption + excessive cpu use too (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)

    Instead, work w/ a native kernelmode part - hosts (An integrated part of the ip stack)

    APK

    P.S.=> Barb, we also know it's YOU again, trolling me by ac which your own words prove -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    ...apk

  114. Same principle stupid... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For separating signal: You're STUPID (so's Charter apparently NOT REGISTERING NEW CABLEMODEMS ONTO THEIR LAN THAT ARE NOT THEIRS as you stated - but then again, you don't DO very well on tech OR TELL THE TRUTH, now do you -> http://mobile.slashdot.org/com... )

    * LMAO...

    (Especially considering how EASILY I utterly ANNIHILATED YOU on my points on hosts files earlier this week, vs. your "so-called 'points'" & you couldn't even *BEGIN* to validly disprove mine in favor of hosts... lol!)

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a joke: No WONDER you're nothing but an online "ne'er-do-well" troll complete unknown - @ most/best? Some "techie" stooge that puts up lines & hasn't grown in know-how since (see link above)... apk

  115. Re:How stupid do you feel NOW, Khyber? by Khyber · · Score: 1

    Wrong. Raised cosine filters are not harmonic filters.

    LC filters are harmonic filters.

    Go home and come back when you can design radar guidance systems. Maybe then you'll have half a clue just how dead wrong you have always been.

    Well, the fact you use Bing already shows just how wrong you are.

    --
    Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
  116. LMAO - "eat your words" (again) Khyber... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "No you didn't, because we didn't use harmonic filters 'back then.' We used a cosine shaping filter 'back then' on analog cable modems. Ya, I used to work for Stream as a Time Warner technician, you nitwit. Still wrong, as always!" - by Khyber (864651) on Monday September 15, 2014 @10:47AM (#47908815) Homepage

    Oh, really? Better read how DOCSIS works along with the fact cosine shaping filters ARE what I said they are (harmonic filters), stupid:

    "Now about that root raised cosine shaping filter⦠The purpose of that filter is to minimize the RF harmonic energy produced by the cable modem so that it does not produce interference with adjacent devices. The way it does this is by acting as a low pass filter by removing all of the high frequency components of what would normally be a very âoesquare waveâ looking signal." from http://volpefirm.com/docsis101...

    LMAO!

    * WoW - you have TRULY PROVEN YOURSELF to be a mere "by rote" dumbass who doesn't even *UNDERSTAND* the principles behind tools he merely "uses" to work with... pitiful.

    APK

    P.S.=> LOL - Now, top that off with the FACT I utterly ANNIHILATED YOU on hosts this week too, 8 times -> http://mobile.slashdot.org/com... & you couldn't even BEGIN to validly technically disprove my points on them too? Man - lol, YOU FAIL - hugely... apk

  117. Re:Why do you hate freedom? by PPH · · Score: 1

    So you wouldn't mind if videos of your own kids * being raped were being passed around?

    What does tht have to do with mapping every device on the Internet?

    First of all, kiddie porn isn't an NSA, GCHQ problem. That's for the FBI, local law enforcement and their foreign equivalents to pursue. NSA and GCHQ are primarily involved with monitoring their respective internal populations for the purpose of political control and suppressing dissent. Unfortunately they seem to be co-opting local law enforcement into supporting their mission rather than pursuing criminal activity, including kiddie porn.

    --
    Have gnu, will travel.
  118. Re:How stupid do you feel NOW, Khyber? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Khyber give up. APK tore you up hilariously as usual with documented facts http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

  119. Khyber's being annihilated by apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here on DOCSIS cablemodem cosine filters being harmonic filters http://news.slashdot.org/comme... and earlier this week on hosts too (bonus for apk here) http://mobile.slashdot.org/com... and it's obviously YOU being stupid here yet again Khyber. You can't alter apk's program and have it run due to his skills in coding accounting for idiots like you http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

  120. You're a liar & a twisted freak Barb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You also stated you stalk me by ac posts too: FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p... :

    "HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off)." - by tomhudson (43916) barbara.hudson@ ... a - h u dson.com on Saturday April 16, 2011 @01:38PM (#35841122) Journal

    Gosh - TomHudson, look @ that email address on that post (BarbaraHudson, anyone?), 1st of all - Secondly:

    So - Isn't that *EXACTLY* what you're doing here with all the AC posts libeling me calling me a pedo, which I am NOT?

    Sure is, see below:

    ---

    BarbaraHudson by AC #1 calling me a pedo -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    BarbaraHudson by AC #2 disagreeing calling me a pedo -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    ---

    First stating I am, & then NOT, via ac posts??

    I don't *think* you "GET IT", do you??? I've got YOU, completely 'clocked' cyclops... & YOUR OWN WORDS DO YOU IN, every time... lol!

    QUESTION: I've read you are a transtesticle? Are you?? It would explain a LOT about you, lol... freak.

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a pitiful little transparent stooge of a sockpuppeteer + ac troller, BarbaraHudson = http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson... AND http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2...

    ... apk

  121. Re:Why do you hate freedom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You punch it real hard in the balls

  122. 1st of all: I am NOT a pedophile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Secondly, you ARE, apparently by your own admission, a freak transtesticle who likes to incite an ORGANIZED CONSPIRACY OF LIBEL vs. myself (proven by YOUR OWN WORDS on "how to troll the host file guy" (me)) -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    That's criminal you know... then again, you're TOO "whacked in the head" to care, apparently.

    Barb - additionally:

    I don't USE a "registered 'luser'" account here (I did one time in 2005 to talk to Mr. John Carmack, a technical hero of mine, on hardware requirements for Quake III iirc, & never used it, EVER, again)... so what's your point there?

    HOWEVER:

    WE DO KNOW WHO USES MULTIPLE SOCKPUPPET ACCOUNTS HERE ON /. THOUGH, now don't we? See below... you FAIL again, lying twisted freak troll.

    APK

    P.S.=> Barb you He/She-Shim (lol, that's what I am understanding about you being a transtesticle @ this point too, what a nutjob/twisted FREAK): YOU, however, ARE KNOWN to have multiple registered accounts here too, or are THESE NOT YOUR ALTERNATE ACCOUNTS ON SLASHDOT (active @ same time - so you could mod yourself up, & opponenents you can't get the best of DOWN with as you've done to me all thru this exchange, only to FAIL AGAIN as usual on YOUR part, lol) -> BarbaraHudson = http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson... AND http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2...

    1. Re:1st of all: I am NOT a pedophile by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Hi ho, hi ho, time to play whack-the-troll ...

      Seriously, neither of those accounts has been active for more than 2 years - since I went pretty much blind. And I've never been one to mod myself up. No need to. Just like calling you a net-kook isn't libelous when at the time you were crap-flooding my posts because I had insulted your whole "hosts file is teh absolutely bestest thing evah", or did you forget that you're the one who started it all. I attacked the message. You, on the other hand, attacked the messenger. But "organized conspiracy?" Your paranoia is showing.

      Now, since I've never written ANYWHERE that you are a pedophile, I have to wonder about your continued insistence on bringing that up. You see me behind every post that attacks your hosts file, your trolling, and you. I wonder how many people you accused of being me while I couldn't see to use a computer the last couple of years.

      Now, with your continued derogatory comments wrt transsexuals, I have to revise my opinion. You're not stuck in the '90s, but the '80s - or maybe even the '70s. Attack me all you want for being a transsexual - but remember, IT attracts a disproportionate number of the LGBT, as well as people sympathetic to LGBT. Slashdot isn't Little Green Footballs (or whatever it was called).

      So, why am I bothering to respond and "feed the troll?" Well, let's look at this from a "utility" point of view. APK has outed himself as a transphobe. His posts make it obvious he thinks that I should be ashamed to be what I am. I'm not, and others in my situation shouldn't be either. So there is some "utility", some good, that can come out of making it clear his behavior just reflects badly on him, whereas ignoring it completely would tend to make it look like such behavior actually has a chilling effect on the intended target.

      Obsessed with me he is. I don't even have to post to get a response from him. As shown earlier, he assumes anyone posting anonymous negative comments against him is me. It's happened before. It will happen again. See my .sig. :-)

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  123. Re:Shocker, a federal agency is executing its mand by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

    Actually, no one (outside the agency) knows what the NSA's mandate really is. Their charter was signed in secret by Truman and classified. The Senate Intelligence Committee had to beg and plead to eventually be allowed to see it.

    --
    We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
  124. apk made you look stupid, again, Khyber? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's all here on both DOCSIS docs backing apk + hosts files facts you can't prove wrong of his http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

  125. "Inquiring minds want to know" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you really a transtesticle? I read you are here (you said it) http://slashdot.org/comments.p... and seeing you keep a TomHudson sockpuppet account http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson... and this other of your many sockpuppets on slashdot too http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2... also makes me believe you may be. Are you? I can see you saying you're handicapped if you cut off your OWN package like that (lol). You even said it again but to verify it, answer the question (this is hilarious and unbelievable but it explains much about you).

  126. Why'd you run from a fair challenge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't you have any balls? I read you literally cut them off http://slashdot.org/comments.p... and you can't prove the person wrong on hosts http://news.slashdot.org/comme... whom you stalked online by multiple registered accounts here as well as by ac posts which your own words caught you doing inciting AN ORGANIZED CONSIPIRACY OF LIBEL directed his way vs. him http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

  127. What's with your online stalking too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Calling apk a pedo and asking others join you in an organized conspiracy of LIBEL too http://news.slashdot.org/comme... ?

  128. Past all the NATed machines. hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you seriously think they cannot "look through" your crappy DSL router and through those other 2100 million crapware DSL routers and Cable modems ?

    If yes, I have an Eiffel Tower for sale - just for you.

  129. This = Khyber (clueless witless idiot) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By proof of his own massive stupidity 2x (on hosts + DOCSIS facts) http://news.slashdot.org/comme... LOL!

  130. Past all the NATed machines. hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hint: it works by subverting the R&D teams of the router makers. And probably leadership of the hw makers knowingly cooperate with this activity. If there is too much security in some product, just hire a mediocre guy and order him to "add some important feature".

    The elite guys at NSA will then find their way into your 192.* subnet and ALL you have attached to it.

    If you have a Checkpoint(TM) firewall, then you have the TIGER (unit 8200 of I.D.F.) guarding the henhouse. Look it up.

  131. Re: Why do you hate freedom? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

    I can "ghost" MAC on every OS known to man - practically. Most of those with a Berkeley-derived TCP stack are
    sudo ifconfig /dev/device lladdr xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx

    What we want here is not to just selfishly hide - but to pollute their collection with billions of plausible "false positive" pseudo computers and mobiles.

    --
    "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
    Never been known to fail..."
  132. If apk's points on hosts = wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why can't you validly prove them so here http://news.slashdot.org/comme... ?

  133. Nope, just submit an information request. by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    I think it has been shown that they lack the technical knowledge to do the kind of science fiction hacks the media all gets in a tizzy about. They have show time and time again, that they do not need any such hacks anyway, as they can simply force companies to comply with handing over information by law.

    I mean why spend time developing the super widget to spy on everyone, when you can coerce any company they owns the applications, hardware, or infrastructure to do your bidding for you. Heck they will build it for you should you submit enough "information requests". Best part of the arrangement is in many cases there is a charge back to the company that can actually make money providing the information, using your own tax dollars to pay for it! Win-WIn.

  134. Doesn't work well on cable JC... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I *tried* to point that out (along with others like sexconker seconding me) until that literally transsexual cyclopic monstrosity BarbaraHudson showed up downmodding me with her many sockpuppets we all know she has, from here downwards http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    You can't get a spoofed MAC addy to work on a network like TimeWarner on the same cablemodem (put it this way - TRY to get a NEW CABLEMODEM of your own to work, MINUS registering it with them... it's "no dice" & what MAC addy's are for mainly - tracking/accounting).

    APK

    P.S.=> JC, for the MOST part (don't know why), I don't *mind* you (even though you masqueraded as me before & got caught) but, lol... finding out BarbHudson (your pal) is a FOR REAL transexual, from her OWN mouth admitting it? WoW (yes, it's ALL in that exchange above - blows the mind, but - makes sense to explain her stalking me like the psycho he/she ("shim"), truly obviously is) - I mean, lol, COME ON MAN: What kind of MAN cuts his OWN PACKAGE OFF, for Pete's sake? I'll tell you - a sicko freak that is NOT normal is who... apk

    1. Re:Doesn't work well on cable JC... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Using someone's sexual prefence as an argument against them merely weakens your own position.

    2. Re:Doesn't work well on cable JC... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Barb/Tom apparently has no preference and is mentally confused or rather obviously deranged. That's no argument from you. She/He has stalked apk for years here telling others to do so with her no less. You can see all that in his/her own words quoted in the link that was posted.

    3. Re:Doesn't work well on cable JC... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Science shows otherwise. High estrogen levels in men tied to mental decline: http://www.health.am/ab/more/h... and Barb-Tom did that to him/herself taking estrogen to attempt to upset the body's natural order of things, which yes, includes your mind taking a huge hit. To,/Barb obviously has mentally unbalanced him/herself (whatever) more than doing something quite insane in a sex change alone has.

  135. Re: This must work by MAC addresses... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just a word of warning... this entire thread is nothing but a bunch of APK drama. Nothing too see here, move along to the next top level comment.

  136. Hey Frank N. Furter: Your obsessed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why's your post history show you stalk, harass, and constantly shoot your mouth off about apk for then? This new account shows you started up with him almost as soon as you started it. Is it since he's made you look so stupid when you said you proved his hosts file 'crapola' as you called it, wrong, when you never once have? Too bad he made you look stupid and your own twisted transsexual hormonally imbalanced clearly insane obsessed limited brain isn't reacting well to it, freak.

  137. A /. 1st: Frank N. Furter's photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    R O T F L M A O (you really are a transsexual freak) http://i.cbc.ca/1.2529772.1391...

    1. Re:A /. 1st: Frank N. Furter's photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No shit, look at the "man hands" on that gender confused nutcake!

  138. Frank N. Furter (LMAO) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Barbara" (or is it really Tom) Hudson = Frank N. Furter http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net...

    1. Re:Frank N. Furter (LMAO) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahahahahaha

  139. Re:Quit projecting & prove my points wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey fuckwit:

    I'm the one who posted exactly two (this is the third) posts to this thread: the one you're responding to here, where I called you a fuckwit and a pedofile, and the one about shooting fish in a Dixie cup. Believe what you will, I'm not Tom/Barbara.

    You're fucking crazy. The other voices in your head are fucking crazy, too. You're paranoid and delusional. You need medication and possibly, confinement.

    I know you'll see and respond to this, because you're fucking crazy.

    See you next time, Kowalski.

  140. BarbHudson quoted's no delusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Telling others to stalk apk by ac posts as he/she does:

    HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off) - by tomhudson (43916) barbara.hudson@ ... a - h u dson.com on Saturday April 16, 2011 @01:38PM (#35841122) Journal

    from http://slashdot.org/comments.p... so take your meds Frank N Furter: We know it's you again, stalking apk by ac posts.

    1. Re:BarbHudson quoted's no delusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, you're nothing if not predictable. It only took you two hours to respond to a post on a two-day-old thread. I guess I'm disappointed you don't recognize the "See you next time, Kowalski". You'll respond to this, too, because you're fucking nuts.

  141. You believe in stalking by ac posts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or did you not say this FrankNFurter?

    HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off) - by tomhudson (43916) barbara.hudson@ ... a - h u dson.com on Saturday April 16, 2011 @01:38PM (#35841122) Journal

    from http://slashdot.org/comments.p... You believe in free speech alright: As long as you can stalk by ac posts as you do it.

  142. Barb, closing with "Kowalski" again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dead giveaway here like when you used your BarbHudson account here http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

  143. LMAO - DOCSIS fact proves you wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "No you didn't, because we didn't use harmonic filters 'back then.' We used a cosine shaping filter 'back then' on analog cable modems. Ya, I used to work for Stream as a Time Warner technician, you nitwit. Still wrong, as always!" - by Khyber (864651) on Monday September 15, 2014 @10:47AM (#47908815) Homepage

    Oh, really? Better read how DOCSIS works along with the fact cosine shaping filters ARE what I said they are, below (harmonic filters), stupid:

    "Now about that root raised cosine shaping filterÃfæ The purpose of that filter is to minimize the RF harmonic energy produced by the cable modem so that it does not produce interference with adjacent devices. The way it does this is by acting as a low pass filter by removing all of the high frequency components of what would normally be a very Ãfoesquare waveÃf looking signal."

    From http://volpefirm.com/docsis101...

    LMAO!

    * WoW - you have TRULY PROVEN YOURSELF to be a mere "by rote" dumbass who doesn't even *UNDERSTAND* the principles behind tools he merely "uses" to work with, allegedly... pitiful.

    Lastly - DOWNMODDING THIS days later, EVERY TIME I POSTED THIS PROOF, proving you utterly full of shit here http://news.slashdot.org/comme... and here http://news.slashdot.org/comme... ISN'T PROVING YOU RIGHT EITHER - it shows YOU are a TOTAL loser!

    APK

    P.S.=> LOL - Now, top that off with the FACT I utterly ANNIHILATED YOU on hosts this week too, 8 times -> http://mobile.slashdot.org/com... & you couldn't even BEGIN to validly technically disprove my points on them too? Man - lol, YOU FAIL - hugely... apk

  144. WRONG: DOCSIS fact proves you wrong... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "No you didn't, because we didn't use harmonic filters 'back then.' We used a cosine shaping filter 'back then' on analog cable modems. Ya, I used to work for Stream as a Time Warner technician, you nitwit. Still wrong, as always!" - by Khyber (864651) on Monday September 15, 2014 @10:47AM (#47908815) Homepage

    Oh, really? Better read how DOCSIS works along with the fact cosine shaping filters ARE what I said they are, below (harmonic filters), stupid:

    "Now about that root raised cosine shaping filterÃfæ The purpose of that filter is to minimize the RF harmonic energy produced by the cable modem so that it does not produce interference with adjacent devices. The way it does this is by acting as a low pass filter by removing all of the high frequency components of what would normally be a very Ãfoesquare waveÃf looking signal."

    From http://volpefirm.com/docsis101...

    LMAO!

    * WoW - you have TRULY PROVEN YOURSELF to be a mere "by rote" dumbass who doesn't even *UNDERSTAND* the principles behind tools he merely "uses" to work with, allegedly... pitiful.

    Lastly - DOWNMODDING THIS days later, EVERY TIME I POSTED THIS PROOF, proving you utterly full of shit here http://news.slashdot.org/comme... and here http://news.slashdot.org/comme... ISN'T PROVING YOU RIGHT EITHER - it shows YOU are a TOTAL loser!

    APK

    P.S.=> LOL - Now, top that off with the FACT I also utterly ANNIHILATED YOU on hosts this week too, 8 times -> http://mobile.slashdot.org/com... & you couldn't even BEGIN to validly technically disprove my points on them too? Man - lol, YOU FAIL - hugely... apk

  145. Khyber: Going to downmod this to hide it too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "No you didn't, because we didn't use harmonic filters 'back then.' We used a cosine shaping filter 'back then' on analog cable modems. Ya, I used to work for Stream as a Time Warner technician, you nitwit. Still wrong, as always!" - by Khyber (864651) on Monday September 15, 2014 @10:47AM (#47908815) Homepage

    Oh, really? Better read how DOCSIS works along with the fact cosine shaping filters ARE what I said they are, below (harmonic filters), stupid:

    "Now about that root raised cosine shaping filterÃfæ The purpose of that filter is to minimize the RF harmonic energy produced by the cable modem so that it does not produce interference with adjacent devices. The way it does this is by acting as a low pass filter by removing all of the high frequency components of what would normally be a very Ãfoesquare waveÃf looking signal."

    From http://volpefirm.com/docsis101...

    LMAO!

    * WoW - you have TRULY PROVEN YOURSELF to be a mere "by rote" dumbass who doesn't even *UNDERSTAND* the principles behind tools he merely "uses" to work with, allegedly... pitiful.

    Lastly - DOWNMODDING THIS days later, EVERY TIME I POSTED THIS PROOF, proving you utterly full of shit here http://news.slashdot.org/comme... and here http://news.slashdot.org/comme... ISN'T PROVING YOU RIGHT EITHER - it shows YOU are a TOTAL loser!

    APK

    P.S.=> LOL - Now, top that off with the FACT I utterly ANNIHILATED YOU on hosts this week too, 8 times -> http://mobile.slashdot.org/com... & you couldn't even BEGIN to validly technically disprove my points on them too? Man - lol, YOU FAIL - hugely... apk

  146. Undeniable proof Khyber = an idiot... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "No you didn't, because we didn't use harmonic filters 'back then.' We used a cosine shaping filter 'back then' on analog cable modems. Ya, I used to work for Stream as a Time Warner technician, you nitwit. Still wrong, as always!" - by Khyber (864651) on Monday September 15, 2014 @10:47AM (#47908815) Homepage

    Oh, really? Better read how DOCSIS works along with the fact cosine shaping filters ARE what I said they are, below (harmonic filters), stupid:

    "Now about that root raised cosine shaping filterÃfæ The purpose of that filter is to minimize the RF harmonic energy produced by the cable modem so that it does not produce interference with adjacent devices. The way it does this is by acting as a low pass filter by removing all of the high frequency components of what would normally be a very Ãfoesquare waveÃf looking signal."

    From http://volpefirm.com/docsis101...

    LMAO!

    * WoW - you have TRULY PROVEN YOURSELF to be a mere "by rote" dumbass who doesn't even *UNDERSTAND* the principles behind tools he merely "uses" to work with, allegedly... pitiful.

    Lastly - DOWNMODDING THIS days later, EVERY TIME I POSTED THIS PROOF, proving you utterly full of shit here http://news.slashdot.org/comme... and here http://news.slashdot.org/comme... ISN'T PROVING YOU RIGHT EITHER - it shows YOU are a TOTAL loser!

    APK

    P.S.=> LOL - Now, top that off with the FACT I utterly ANNIHILATED YOU on hosts this week too, 8 times -> http://mobile.slashdot.org/com... & you couldn't even BEGIN to validly technically disprove my points on them too? Man - lol, YOU FAIL - hugely... apk

  147. You're responding days later hypocrite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    APK made you look even more stupid here hahaha http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    1. Re:You're responding days later hypocrite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the first place, YOU'RE apk, you're not fooling anybody. In the second place, I didn't write that, never claimed to. In the third place, fooling checksumming is child's play. Fourthly, you're proving my point when I said "He's psychotically unable to let some one else have the last word". And you'll reply to THIS, too, because you're fucking nuts.

    2. Re:You're responding days later hypocrite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Project much?

  148. Checksumming may be child's play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    However it's child's play for apk to tear you up with it vs. your puny threat here http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

  149. Barb didn't you tell others to stalk apk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You told them to harass apk by ac posts quoted right here from you http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

  150. Re:BarbaraHudson: Sockpuppeteer... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BarbHudson's best was minus modding you apk thru her many sockpuppets to try hide she can't prove you wrong man. She can talk her shit all day but when the chips are down on the table, she folded.

  151. Had to give APK 1 thing though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He knocked the piss outta both Khyber http://news.slashdot.org/comme... and BarbHudson http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

  152. BarbaraHudson: "Eat your words"... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "His only "legend in his own mind" was that he claimed that "his" hosts file could completely secure a windows computer. " - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday February 12, @11:19AM (#35186644) Homepage Journal FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... in the YEAR 2011 years ago no less

    I never claimed a HOSTS file can secure you completely... show me where I have? I want a quote, big talker... you'll never get it, because I never, EVER said that: HOSTS files are, however, a valuable layer of defense for the concept of "layered security".

    * You couldn't produce proof THEN, & you certainly can't now (vainly *trying* to put words in my mouth I NEVER ONCE SAID!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Still @ your LIES, you transsexual weirdo? Ok, asking it again now nearly 5 yrs. later now in response to your bullshit lies again here quoted:

    "APK - not only an expert on how the HOSTS file is the best way to secure your computer" - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @07:06PM (#47932519) Homepage

    Under your NEW sockpuppet account too no less: SEE my challenge to you above - where've I ever said they completely secure you? I never have, liar...

    Of course, YOU ARE welcome to disprove my points on them after you said this lately too:

    "I tore apart your stupid hosts file crapola." - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @10:46AM (#47703255) Homepage

    Oh, really?

    Then why'd you run from disproving my points on them giving users added speed, security, reliability & more here too then -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... ?

    ... apk

  153. Get to know the REAL 'BarbaraHudson'...apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of the 1st times "Barb" libeled me stating "APK is a know-nothing that's never worked in the industry" -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... in 1 of her numerous sockpuppet fake accounts kept active @ the same time here she uses to upmod herself & downmod opponents she can't get the better of (everyone's onto your games, freak).

    Funny part is I've DONE FAR BETTER than ole' "cyclops Frank N. Furter" ever has shown in that exchange too http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , lol!

    ---

    Later, he/she kept a journal on me & libeled me even more but worse -> http://slashdot.org/journal/25...

    (Typical b.s. to *try* to 'put down' computer "geeks/nerds" saying "I live in a basement with my mommy" etc. when *ANYTHING BUT THAT* is true, considering I am a taxpaying homeowner!).

    ---

    * From the dates you can SEE she's kept this up unceasingly since early to mid 2010 no less, & that's only scratching the surface (there's far more).

    (Even TELLING OTHERS TO HARASS ME BY ANONYMOUS COWARD POSTS, calling me a "pedo" -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme... )

    He/She left in May 2012 after being exposed for ALL OF THAT, but came back with this NEW account of hers, & what started up again (I did *NOT* bother "shim" even once before that)?

    You guessed it (more harassment) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    Where I challenged her for her usual CRAP she always runs from (to validly disprove my points on hosts, which she clearly, cannot):

    "I tore apart your stupid hosts file crapola." - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @10:46AM (#47703255) Homepage

    Oh, really?

    Then why'd you run from disproving my points on them giving users added speed, security, reliability & more here too then -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    APK

    P.S.=> Barb/Tom (whatever, with multiple sockpuppets too http://slashdot.org/~BarbaraHu... = http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson... + http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2... ) you've destroyed yourself yet again...

    ...apk

  154. BarbaraHudson: "Eat your words"... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "His only "legend in his own mind" was that he claimed that "his" hosts file could completely secure a windows computer. " - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday February 12, @11:19AM (#35186644) Homepage Journal FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... in the YEAR 2011 years ago no less

    I never claimed a HOSTS file can secure you completely... show me where I have? I want a quote, big talker... you'll never get it, because I never, EVER said that: HOSTS files are, however, a valuable layer of defense for the concept of "layered security".

    * You couldn't produce proof THEN, & you certainly can't now (vainly *trying* to put words in my mouth I NEVER ONCE SAID!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Still @ your LIES, you transsexual weirdo? Ok, asking it again now nearly 5 yrs. later now in response to your bullshit lies again here quoted:

    "APK - not only an expert on how the HOSTS file is the best way to secure your computer" - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @07:06PM (#47932519) Homepage

    Under your NEW sockpuppet account too no less: SEE my challenge to you above - where've I ever said they completely secure you? I never have, liar...

    Of course, YOU ARE welcome to disprove my points on them after you said this lately too:

    "I tore apart your stupid hosts file crapola." - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @10:46AM (#47703255) Homepage

    Oh, really?

    Then why'd you run from disproving my points on them giving users added speed, security, reliability & more here too then -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... ?

    ... apk

  155. Get to know the REAL 'BarbaraHudson'... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of the 1st times "Barb" libeled me stating "APK is a know-nothing that's never worked in the industry" -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... in 1 of her numerous sockpuppet fake accounts kept active @ the same time here she uses to upmod herself & downmod opponents she can't get the better of (everyone's onto your games, freak).

    Funny part is I've DONE FAR BETTER than ole' "cyclops Frank N. Furter" ever has shown in that exchange too http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , lol!

    ---

    Later, he/she kept a journal on me & libeled me even more but worse -> http://slashdot.org/journal/25...

    (Typical b.s. to *try* to 'put down' computer "geeks/nerds" saying "I live in a basement with my mommy" etc. when *ANYTHING BUT THAT* is true, considering I am a taxpaying homeowner!).

    ---

    * From the dates you can SEE she's kept this up unceasingly since early to mid 2010 no less, & that's only scratching the surface (there's far more).

    (Even TELLING OTHERS TO HARASS ME BY ANONYMOUS COWARD POSTS, calling me a "pedo" -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme... )

    He/She left in May 2012 after being exposed for ALL OF THAT, but came back with this NEW account of hers, & what started up again (I did *NOT* bother "shim" even once before that)?

    You guessed it (more harassment) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    Where I challenged her for her usual CRAP she always runs from (to validly disprove my points on hosts, which she clearly, cannot):

    "I tore apart your stupid hosts file crapola." - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @10:46AM (#47703255) Homepage

    Oh, really?

    Then why'd you run from disproving my points on them giving users added speed, security, reliability & more here too then -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    APK

    P.S.=> Barb/Tom (whatever, with multiple sockpuppets too http://slashdot.org/~BarbaraHu... = http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson... + http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2... ) you've destroyed yourself yet again...

    ...apk

  156. Re:Shocker, a federal agency is executing its mand by laughingskeptic · · Score: 1

    It's really not that big of a secret: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N...