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Schizophrenia Is Not a Single Disease
An anonymous reader writes: New research from Washington University has found that the condition known as schizophrenia is not just a single disease, but instead a collection of eight different disorders. For years, researchers struggled to understand the genetic basis of schizophrenia. This new method was able to isolate and identify the different conditions (each with its own symptoms) currently classified under the same heading (abstract, full text). "In some patients with hallucinations or delusions, for example, the researchers matched distinct genetic features to patients' symptoms, demonstrating that specific genetic variations interacted to create a 95 percent certainty of schizophrenia. In another group, they found that disorganized speech and behavior were specifically associated with a set of DNA variations that carried a 100 percent risk of schizophrenia." According to one of the study's authors, "By identifying groups of genetic variations and matching them to symptoms in individual patients, it soon may be possible to target treatments to specific pathways that cause problems."
that schizophrenia itself has a bit of a split personality.
We agree.....
well, when i say 'I', its more of a consensus decision.
AKA Dissociative identity disorder. There is a slight comorbidity between the conditions, but depression and anxiety are also comorbid.
If it is embedded in DNA, is it hereditary?
If it is, I hope it does not bring back Eugenics or the forced sterilization practices of the early 19th century. That didn't end well on several fronts.
I wonder if the depression and anxiety are more side effects of the medications used to treat schizophrenia, or effects of trying to avoid discrimination against people with schizophrenia due to its misrepresentation by Hollywood, as a recent Cracked article suggests.
Helps explain why my dog reacts differently to different people with the diagnosis of schizophrenia. Some he's very friendly with, others he makes it abundantly clear that he wants nothing to do with them - or with them being around me.
Dogs can sense a lot of things we miss - maybe they can pick up something about the dangerous ones that we can't. And yes, one of the ones he kept growling at eventually went looking for a gun. Told my neighbor (who has 3 registered hand guns) that he hated my guts and where could he buy a gun? Stopped a few weeks later after dusk walking around with a holster with what appeared, in the dark, to be a gun. Knees on the ground, hands in the air, the whole bit. Apparently he wasn't happy that I had reported him to Youth Protection for moving back to the neighborhood after he had assured the court he wouldn't be having any more contact with a kid living in the next building.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
If so, they're going to have to come up with a new name for Eugenics that isn't connected to Eugen Fischer, the National Socialist anthropology professor who taught the guy who taught Mengele.
This is a masterful, insightful and original joke that doubtlessly required a lot of effort and definitely has not already been posted in this thread.
Meh. That just isn't as funny as the old one.
Will
Next this needs to be done with what we call "autism". There's a reason it's called the "autistic spectrum"; it's a MUCH bigger but nebulous target than schizophrenia. There's so much symptomatic comorbidity that the diagnoses would be funny if the consequences weren't so depressing.
One of the problems of Psychiatry is that because the brain has been bit of a black box to us for so long (We can see the input, we can see the output, but the gears and cogs inside remain a bit of a mystery) disorder classification has been mostly about symptomology rather than causes, most of the time. Docs have long suspected that "schizophrenia" was a collection of disorders with similar-ish results. This finding appears to confirm it.
See also: ADHD and Autism.
Excuse the Unicode crap in my posts. That's an apostrophe, and slashdot is busted.
Well - no, and no. Recall that schizophrenia is a perception-of-reality disorder and has almost nothing to do with dissociative identity (a.k.a. multiple personality) disorder
Since Greek is taken, maybe we could replace the clumsy literal PC English with Latin? "I have Schismentis and so do I?"
I guess that is why some people are messed up 8 days from sunday. :)
Cool - a new 'spectrum' disorder! Schizo can be cool like those ADHD and Aspie kids!
Please stop repeating something like it is new. Since its origins the concept is called "the schizophrenias". We knew that 100 years before now: http://schizophreniabulletin.o...
La culpa no es del chancho...
What if instead of sterilization we pass laws saying that if you knowingly and willingly pass defective genes on to your kid, you'll get prosecuted just as though you'd harmed them through abuse. For example, if a couple knew they were both carriers of the cystic fibrosis gene, they had a kid anyway, the kid had CF, and died at age 20, they would go to jail for murder.
captcha = "condom"
When you don't need to prove anything ... and it only needs to be "evidence based" ... a diagnosis can change as frequently as insurance billing requirements.
We should learn what we need to know about issues, before we decide what we need to feel about them.
Just like YOU, transsexual Frank N. Furter -> http://slashdot.org/~BarbaraHu... + http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson... + http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2... ?? Guess you CAN actually, for once, play expert here on schizophrenics since it takes one to know one (or in your case, 3 registered slashdot accounts including how you stalk people by anonymous posts for years too freak).
"Frank N Furter" (rocky horror picture show, right?) I read Barb/Tom's post history, he/she's really a transsexual nutjob.
There are thousands and thousands of different mutations that are known to cause intellectual disability (mental retardation) - and almost certainly millions and millions more yet to be discovered. Obviously intellectual disability is not a single gene disorder.
But it's also been clear for a few decades that schizophrenia is not a single gene disorder. And in order to be diagnosed with schizophrenia you have to have fairly high levels of brain function. If you've got a mutation that disrupts your brain function so severely that you're never able to walk or talk and end up dying in early childhood then you're not going to be diagnosed with schizophrenia - even if the mutation disrupts genes involved in schizophrenia.
Now, at some level these recent research results are guaranteed to be qualitatively correct - that there are different sub-types of schizophrenia caused by mutations in different sets of genes. And, of course, it follows that if a person has a particular sub-type of schizophrenia causes by a particular set of mutations then that particular set of mutations would also cause schizophrenia in other people. That is, the particular set of mutations would be a sufficient condition to have schizophrenia.
The more subtle question is whether a particular set of mutations would be a necessary condition to have a particular sub-type of schizophrenia - and, based on a consideration of biological mechanisms, the answer is almost certainly "no" in the general case. Let's say you have some biological pathway/process that involves three genes - A, B, and C. And suppose that a set of minor mutations in all three genes results in schizophrenia. But what about more severe mutation in only two genes (A and B - but not C)? Surely, the combination of two mutations could also disrupt the same biological pathway/process as the combination of three mutations? Or what about a single very severe mutation in only gene A?
What is the underlying biological mechanism where a biological pathway/process needs multiple mutations to be disrupted? You might propose a high level of redundancy but that only protects against loss of function but not gain of function mutations. If this research is correct there's still a lot that's missing.
Along these lines, it's interesting that there's only a couple genes where mutations can cause schizophrenia with high penetrance - i.e. almost everyone who has the mutation gets schizophrenia. And, in that regards, it's interesting that there are individuals who are missing most of their brains due to genetic mutations but they still live mostly normal lives - just the mildest intellectual disability perhaps.
So it will be interesting to see if this research pans out but my view is that the key issue is less likely to be that schizophrenia can only be caused by sets of genes and more that schizophrenia is such a high level disorder that environment plays a major role.
R O T F L M A O "Frank N. Furter"? Hey, you judge http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net...
It might be very valuable for treatment if the condition didn't come as a mystery and a surprise. It also raises the question of testing in the early stages of fetal development and abortion being used by "carrier" couples to select for lower risk children. I honestly have no idea of what the ethical choices are there but I would lean towards multiple tries if it meant bringing a child to term that doesn't have such a high probability of suffering in its future.
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oh man...so is crazy genetic?
no...but this study is from the University of Washington St. Louis wants to say it is...they analyzed data and this is what they conclude, from full text:
That's what they say..."group of heritable disorders"...it reminds me of when I studied Mendell in HS science and fruit flies and hemophilia.
It sounds fish as hell to me...psychology is great but it's so often wrong. ex: one year the DSM lists 'homosexuality' as an actual disorder...next year...not a disorder! magic!
again...i actually love psychology...but it's just full of random theories from the 19th century that are floating around...so many disorders to describe very similar and overlapping symptoms...symptoms very often open to interpretation...
I wanted to see if this passed the basic "correlation is causation" test...because this is just spreadsheets here these guys are looking at...they are re-analyzing data.
From the full text:
Emphasis added. Honestly that's enough for me to want to see it for myself, the actual data on a computer screen, before I give this any credence.
Obviously mental disorders exist. Just like anything it is related to our genetics and our environment and our choices...I would need to see alot of evidence before I believe TFA's assertions to the heritability.
Examine this list of behavior (copied from wikipedia which quotes the DSM):
According to the revised fourth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV-TR), to be diagnosed with schizophrenia, three diagnostic criteria must be met:[10]
Characteristic symptoms: Two or more of the following, each present for much of the time during a one-month period (or less, if symptoms remitted with treatment).
- Delusions
- Hallucinations
- Disorganized speech, which is a manifestation of formal thought disorder
- Grossly disorganized behavior (e.g. dressing inappropriately, crying frequently) or catatonic behavior
- Negative symptoms: Blunted affect (lack or decline in emotional response), alogia (lack or decline in speech), or avolition (lack or decline in motivation)
If the delusions are judged to be bizarre, or hallucinations consist of hearing one voice participating in a running commentary of the patient's actions or of hearing two or more voices conversing with each other, only that symptom is required above. The speech disorganization criterion is only met if it is severe enough to substantially impair communication.
- Social or occupational dysfunction: For a significant portion of the time since the onset of the disturbance, one or more major areas of functioning such as work, interpersonal relations, or self-care, are markedly below the level achieved prior to the onset.
- Significant duration: Continuous signs of the disturbance persist for at least six months. This six-month period must include at least one month of symptoms (or less, if symptoms remitted with treatment).
I want to say that if you talk to a "good" psychiatrist or psychologist they will be able to explain how *they* personally in practice diagnose these different disorders and it may make sense. Furthermore, I'm convince psychology is a great area for scientific investigation.
All that said, as I look at that list of behaviors, then I look at the data as presented, I can only conclude that "schizophrenia" is *probably* an obsolete distinction and this data is being erroneously interpreted.
Thank you Dave Raggett
those quotations are from page 2 and 3 of the full text of the study respectively
Thank you Dave Raggett
Schizophrenia = They just hate you and want to control you.
Bipolar Disorder, Psychosis and Schizophrenia for Dummies who know a little physics etc.
Life is generally in a good position when it has potential (like gravitational potential in the case of high ground) and the capacity to use it in a controlled fashion. That means balancing in a position that would otherwise be considered an unstable equilibrium in the sense of dynamical systems theory. Our bodies are at their most efficient when well balanced (just watch a good dancer to see this in action) and our brains are at their best when similarly balanced. If something disturbs the equilibrium, this disturbance and the required correction can be used to understand the disturbance. This is how stimulation affects us.
Now consider a simple example of a balancing physical object, but with no control mechanism: a spinning top. This has three states--spinning upright (when the gravitational potential is near its maximum), wobbling (when the gravitational potential is slightly lower, in which case it behaves erratically and gives up its energy randomly until...) finally we have the fallen over state. This is what medical people term depression. The simple solution is to get upright and balanced again, but this is hard in our modern overly complex society, and the result of trying to get up is often a lot of wobbling, which gets diagnosed as things like mania, psychosis and schizophrenia depending on how exactly this wobbling manifests itself. The key is to get balanced before you get pushed over, and that is hard when the medical mental health people seem to have the idea that you fix a wobbling spinning top by knocking it over and gluing it to the floor.
Trying to understand mental health in a 'sum of the parts' way is just dumb, but it is the obsession of the medical fraternity, and is to the extent that it is politically very difficult to suggest otherwise. How our genetic code creates us is an approach that misses the point that without the environmental context in which that genetic code develops, it won't develop, so you need to understand the environment as well (and that means understanding the entire world in complete detail, which is rather a long way the other side of impossible).
Viewed as an equilbrium seeking system, 'mental illnesses' like mania and schizophrenia are just seen as things like oscillations and resonant modes that are being excited by either an appropriate drive, or are resonating within the equilibrium seeking system. The biological stuff is just an implementation detail in much the way that transistors on a chip are implementation details of your python program that you are running that you can safely ignore in most cases. Medication is basically trying to solve a software problem by randomly pumping noise into the processor. A computer will crash instantly if you do this, but humans are rather more robust, and can survive for a long time in an unbalanced state. They are, however, rather unproductive in this state and won't tend to find life enjoyable. But they can survive for a long time, but can become desperate to get out of such states.
John_Chalisque
...they're looking for a way to introduce and re-legitimise the term "sociopath" so it sews up the trainwreck that is the DSM.
Political debates have me rolling my eyes so much I think I got optical whiplash. I should sue. - Foamy The Squirrel
Probably at least a few of those sub-disorders are actually nutritional deficiencies. We have this myth (perpetuated by MDs who have ZERO training in nutrition) that we don't have nutritional deficiencies in America. In fact, the American diet is horrible, and we all know it. B12 deficiencies are common (which is one of the reasons shots are often prescribed), as are deficiencies in magnesium, along with numerous other vitamins and minerals. Since the mid 90's, the FDA has mandated "enrichment" of foods, but the forms of the additives are NOT the biologically active forms, so some people have trouble processing them. For instance, MTHFR gene defects are common (my wife and I have different ones, and she has the really bad C677T defect), making folic acid (which is artificial) range from useless to poisonous to some people who need to take methylfolate instead. In fact, since the mid 90's a lot of people have reported declines in their health, which may be correlated with that FDA mandate (although without a more complete study, we have to assume this is anecdotal and COULD be correlated more strongly with something else).
Anyhow, my point is that many psychological disorders, such as bipolarism, are associated with vitamin deficiencies. If you look at the symptoms lists of various B vitamin deficiencies, for instance, you'll see that it is already established what kinds of psychological effects can occur in cases of "extreme" deficiencies. If we can get past the idea that nobody in America can have extreme vitamin deficiencies (you can have plenty of some vitamin but still be anemic if you can't USE it in that form), then we can start treating mental disorders using carefully controlled diets and supplement schedules. I'm sure it won't work on everyone, but it would be insane to not try it in place of loading people up on antipsychotics because the "doctors" are mental hospitals have no fucking clue about nutrition.
And just to reinforce, folic acid is basically poison to about 10% of humans. Different vegetables contain methylfolate and/or folinic acid, NOT folic acid. Defects in the genes that code enzymes that convert folinic acid and folic acid are more common than most food allergies, making this a serious problem!
One interesting side-effect of this is the proliferation of the bad genes. People with homozygous C677T mutation have about a 30% conversion rate from folic acid to methylfolate. (Meanwhile the unconverted folic acid itself interferes with the methylation cycle.) If a woman gets pregnant and takes folic acid in large quantities (which is what doctors instruct), the fetus will take all of the methylfolate, and the mother will get very sick. Meanwhile the fetus will be allowed to develop when otherwise it would have naturally aborted due to an inability on its own to convert folinic acid that you get from food. As a result, we have more people born with this defect, while people in the FDA and the medical profession are too ignorant of the consequences to deal with them properly. Mind you, if they were to take more methylfolate, the viability of this defect would increase, but at least the mothers wouldn't get as sick.
They're saying schizophrenia is married?
The analytics that went into this research have wide ranging application potential. This could be the tipping point for full exploitation of genetic markers in a wide range of medical/genetic diagnostics. It may not be as easy to build as say a single test like BRAC, but I could envision a series of grouped diagnostics markers that could be funneled into a matrix that would show the probability disease. Also, this is an excellent example of government (TAX) money well spent on research. Thank you NIH.
Because now they can sell no less than eight different pills to those unfortunate who are suffering from schizophrenia.
It can be controlled however you need to work out with the doctors. It will take some time to get used to the medications and seeking help from the doctor for every appointment help narrow down the problem and find out the solution.
Also, it is extremely important for family members to meet the doctors during the appointment where they can describe to the doctor about the patient's abnormal behavior (which the patient may not be aware of)
I have schizoaffective disorder and i take the prescribed meds without changing unless directed by the doctor but the problem i see is having my wife to see the doctor to relate the behaviors that i made.
For medications, i take sodium valprorate (a decade ago i had lithium carbonate that i had blood tests during the visit to the doctor) and a quite expensive though better medication called "olanzapine" with benzhexol to control the shaky hands on the nerves.
if it is such common knowledge, you should easily be able to point me to some sort of proof
lets see it...show me proof
also, after you paste a link to support your claim, I'd like for you to addess this as well: you're taking a complex situation, over-simplifying it, then telling me all the ways it becomes complex but just using your own rhetoric
in one sense, i agree, everyone knows that your genes determine characteristics...but people like you ignore that it is **common knowledge** that many factors influence "who we are"...environment...personal choices,...just as salient, if not more, than genetics
Thank you Dave Raggett
ok...compare "schizophrenia" as you are trying to explain it to something like hemophilia
some disorder that is not based on perception of behavior
so...hemophilia...the English royal family famously inbred so much that hemophilia became a problem genetically
is hemophilia "heritable" or is it "caused" by genetics...show me in comparison to hemophilia how schizophrenia is "heritable" and "genetic"
Thank you Dave Raggett
you linked me to "schizophrenia.com"...which is sort of like linking me to "antivaxer.com" to as evidence vaccinations cause autism
you even admit it yourself: "Some of those links include actual cites from scientific studies, by the way"
how do you know that? how do you know those links cite scientific studies? did you see it yourself?
so you looked at these articles, saw that they had actual research cited, but you chose **NOT** to copy/paste that information, instead, you chose to copy/paste information that *lacks* that information
if you were trying to be honest in this discussion you would not have linked to those ridiculously questionable sources, and instead found the actual research (if it even exists)
nih info...from the nih.gov page, we can see one of the fallacies of diagnosing disorders with symptoms of "hallucinations" and "strange speech"
religious families...**of course** when the dad is a Pentacostal preacher the likelihood of his kids "hearing demons" skyrockets....***that is not genetic....it is ideological***...it is learned behavior, but even the best studies do not control for this
i want to see how many of these cases are from religious families who believe that a deity speaks to them
just saying that...just saying "God talks to me"...is essentially enough to get you diagnosed as schizophrenic according to the DSM!
if your family members do ***anything*** you are more likely to do it, practically...that is not a genetic link at all
Thank you Dave Raggett
Frank, please: You're the one that sliced off your furter (lol) and now you're pissed about it?
Hahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahahaha
Just like YOU, Frank N. Furter! YOU have 3 on /. http://slashdot.org/~BarbaraHu... = http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson... + http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2... so you seem to fit the bill (as you use each of them to mod yourself up and those who got the best of you down with).
Schizophrenia, Frank http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
I skimmed the paper and supplementary information, but didn't see a list of SNPs in their SNP sets, unlike the recent GWAS paper from the schiz working group. Did I just miss it, can it be obtained elsewhere, or did they really leave their main results out of the paper?
a broader view: http://beyondmeds.com/2014/09/
It's very likely a single disease and they just couged it.
LMAO: A picture says a 1,000 words http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net...
Telling others to stalk apk by ac posts as he/she does? I know not
HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off) - by tomhudson (43916) barbara.hudson@ ... a - h u dson.com on Saturday April 16, 2011 @01:38PM (#35841122) Journal
from http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Of /.'s own Frank N. Furter's schizophrenia/multiple personality disorder http://slashdot.org/~BarbaraHu... = http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson... = http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2...
I couldn't find it in the article, and I'm not well versed enough in the science to pull it out of a quick scan of the doc.
The Invisible Hand of the Free Market is what punches workers in the nuts.
We have "Schizo-Affective Disorder" in which we get to claim that the various "schizophrenias" and the various mood disorders are just one big unhappy diagnosis!
Makes things easy for the diagnostician - just one diagnosis, and you can prescribe lithium and anti-psychotics to everyone. And then you can pile on more drugs to treat the side-effects from the drug combinations you started with. And then of course, there are the side-effects of the side-effect treating drugs. Eventually you can work your way up to one or two dozen drugs at once.
Seriously - I have relatives that have suffered from this sort of diagnostic abuse.
Second class citizen of the New Gilded Age
I think the main issue is that people associate scizophrenia with violent behaviour. It's actually fairly easy to give the assumption of an external voice in your head to anyone whom you subject to long term suggestion (it's what hacking a person is all about, also known as marketing). In my experience I've found most schizophrenics to be overly empathic which makes them highly suggestable, add to that a tendency to relate most things together (ex: rats are evil, cats kill, person is wearing a shirt with a rat on it, person said 'cat'! *auditory hallucination on the word cat* must kill person) it becomes reasonable to that person to believe God (existence surely must mean a single thing) has told them to kill. But it all comea down to morality at the end. One cannot blame murder on a state of being if they have the capability to talk, walk, dress up in the morning and eat. So to look at these "disorders" as a get out of responsibility free card is dangerous for all of us I believe, including to those who do have a schizophrenic mind but live a productive life.
They must be blind or stupid or you are lying (guessing the latter) Frank N. Furter.
I think it's https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...
Casteism
One of the 1st times "Barb" libeled me stating "APK is a know-nothing that's never worked in the industry" -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... in 1 of her numerous sockpuppet fake accounts kept active @ the same time here she uses to upmod herself & downmod opponents she can't get the better of (everyone's onto your games, freak).
Funny part is I've DONE FAR BETTER than ole' "cyclops Frank N. Furter" ever has shown in that exchange too http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , lol!
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Later, he/she kept a journal on me & libeled me even more but worse -> http://slashdot.org/journal/25...
(Typical b.s. to *try* to 'put down' computer "geeks/nerds" saying "I live in a basement with my mommy" etc. when *ANYTHING BUT THAT* is true, considering I am a taxpaying homeowner!).
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* From the dates you can SEE she's kept this up unceasingly since early to mid 2010 no less, & that's only scratching the surface (there's far more).
(Even TELLING OTHERS TO HARASS ME BY ANONYMOUS COWARD POSTS, calling me a "pedo" -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme... )
He/She left in May 2012 after being exposed for ALL OF THAT, but came back with this NEW account of hers, & what started up again (I did *NOT* bother "shim" even once before that)?
You guessed it (more harassment) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
Where I challenged her for her usual CRAP she always runs from (to validly disprove my points on hosts, which she clearly, cannot):
"I tore apart your stupid hosts file crapola." - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @10:46AM (#47703255) Homepage
Oh, really?
Then why'd you run from disproving my points on them giving users added speed, security, reliability & more here too then -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
APK
P.S.=> Barb/Tom (whatever, with multiple sockpuppets too http://slashdot.org/~BarbaraHu... = http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson... + http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2... ) you've destroyed yourself yet again...
...apk
"His only "legend in his own mind" was that he claimed that "his" hosts file could completely secure a windows computer. " - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday February 12, @11:19AM (#35186644) Homepage Journal FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... in the YEAR 2011 years ago no less
I never claimed a HOSTS file can secure you completely... show me where I have? I want a quote, big talker... you'll never get it, because I never, EVER said that: HOSTS files are, however, a valuable layer of defense for the concept of "layered security".
* You couldn't produce proof THEN, & you certainly can't now (vainly *trying* to put words in my mouth I NEVER ONCE SAID!)
APK
P.S.=> Still @ your LIES, you transsexual weirdo? Ok, asking it again now nearly 5 yrs. later now in response to your bullshit lies again here quoted:
"APK - not only an expert on how the HOSTS file is the best way to secure your computer" - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @07:06PM (#47932519) Homepage
Under your NEW sockpuppet account too no less: SEE my challenge to you above - where've I ever said they completely secure you? I never have, liar...
Of course, YOU ARE welcome to disprove my points on them after you said this lately too:
"I tore apart your stupid hosts file crapola." - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @10:46AM (#47703255) Homepage
Oh, really?
Then why'd you run from disproving my points on them giving users added speed, security, reliability & more here too then -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... ?
... apk
"His only "legend in his own mind" was that he claimed that "his" hosts file could completely secure a windows computer. " - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday February 12, @11:19AM (#35186644) Homepage Journal FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... in the YEAR 2011 years ago no less
I never claimed a HOSTS file can secure you completely... show me where I have? I want a quote, big talker... you'll never get it, because I never, EVER said that: HOSTS files are, however, a valuable layer of defense for the concept of "layered security".
* You couldn't produce proof THEN, & you certainly can't now (vainly *trying* to put words in my mouth I NEVER ONCE SAID!)
APK
P.S.=> Still @ your LIES, you transsexual weirdo? Ok, asking it again now nearly 5 yrs. later now in response to your bullshit lies again here quoted:
"APK - not only an expert on how the HOSTS file is the best way to secure your computer" - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @07:06PM (#47932519) Homepage
Under your NEW sockpuppet account too no less: SEE my challenge to you above - where've I ever said they completely secure you? I never have, liar...
Of course, YOU ARE welcome to disprove my points on them after you said this lately too:
"I tore apart your stupid hosts file crapola." - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @10:46AM (#47703255) Homepage
Oh, really?
Then why'd you run from disproving my points on them giving users added speed, security, reliability & more here too then -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... ?
... apk
One of the 1st times "Barb" libeled me stating "APK is a know-nothing that's never worked in the industry" -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... in 1 of her numerous sockpuppet fake accounts kept active @ the same time here she uses to upmod herself & downmod opponents she can't get the better of (everyone's onto your games, freak).
Funny part is I've DONE FAR BETTER than ole' "cyclops Frank N. Furter" ever has shown in that exchange too http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , lol!
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Later, he/she kept a journal on me & libeled me even more but worse -> http://slashdot.org/journal/25...
(Typical b.s. to *try* to 'put down' computer "geeks/nerds" saying "I live in a basement with my mommy" etc. when *ANYTHING BUT THAT* is true, considering I am a taxpaying homeowner!).
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* From the dates you can SEE she's kept this up unceasingly since early to mid 2010 no less, & that's only scratching the surface (there's far more).
(Even TELLING OTHERS TO HARASS ME BY ANONYMOUS COWARD POSTS, calling me a "pedo" -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme... )
He/She left in May 2012 after being exposed for ALL OF THAT, but came back with this NEW account of hers, & what started up again (I did *NOT* bother "shim" even once before that)?
You guessed it (more harassment) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
Where I challenged her for her usual CRAP she always runs from (to validly disprove my points on hosts, which she clearly, cannot):
"I tore apart your stupid hosts file crapola." - by BarbaraHudson (3785311) on Tuesday August 19, 2014 @10:46AM (#47703255) Homepage
Oh, really?
Then why'd you run from disproving my points on them giving users added speed, security, reliability & more here too then -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
APK
P.S.=> Barb/Tom (whatever, with multiple sockpuppets too http://slashdot.org/~BarbaraHu... = http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson... + http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2... ) you've destroyed yourself yet again...
...apk