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Obama Presses Leaders To Speed Ebola Response
mdsolar writes with the latest plan from the U.S. government to fight the Ebola epidemic in West Africa, and a call for more help from other nations by the President. President Obama on Tuesday challenged world powers to accelerate the global response to the Ebola outbreak that is ravaging West Africa, warning that unless health care workers, medical equipment and treatment centers were swiftly deployed, the disease could take hundreds of thousands of lives. "This epidemic is going to get worse before it gets better," Mr. Obama said here at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, where he met with doctors who had just returned from West Africa. The world, he said, "has the responsibility to act, to step up and to do more. The United States intends to do more." Even as the president announced a major American deployment to Liberia and Senegal of medicine, equipment and 3,000 military personnel, global health officials said that time was running out and that they had weeks, not months, to act. They said that although the American contribution was on a scale large enough to make a difference, a coordinated assault in Africa from other Western powers was essential to bringing the virus under control.
U.S. lawmakers called for a government-funded "war" to contain West Africa's deadly Ebola epidemic...
"We need to declare a war on Ebola," Senator Jerry Moran, a Kansas Republican, said...
It's good to see that word in a context that we can all agree on.
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When the populace actively attack medical workers, violently disrupt quarantines, and engage in ebola spreading funerary customs? 3000 soldiers seems hardly enough to combat that level of ignorance of how disease transmission works.
I heard that one of the local customs is to bathe the deceased and then the relatives drink the bath water.
Which seems like an exceptionally dumb idea if your relative died from, say, Ebola.
I don't think there's much Obama can do about that. But he's got a pen and a phone and seems to think he can do pretty much anything with them.
This pandemic is almost certainly worse than it seems. For every reported case there are now likely a dozen unreported.
I have a feeling that all this effort from the US and others is to make the folks back home feel safer in that we are 'doing something'. In all likelihood the only thing that'll stop the spread at this point is stricter quarantine around the infected countries(!). Refugees would need to go into quarantine to make sure they are not carrying the disease.
This disease, and the corresponding collapse of infrastructure, will likely kill hundreds of thousands of people before its over.
I hope I'm wrong.
The Onion said it the best:
"Experts: Ebola Vaccine At Least 50 White People Away"
http://www.theonion.com/articles/experts-ebola-vaccine-at-least-50-white-people-awa,36580/
It is grim because we don't want to "offend" anyone with the proper response (quarantine the zone) . Political Correctness run amok is going to kill people.
How many dead or sick people before we stop worrying about feelings and sensibilities?
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researchers in 1973:Jesus christ we've just found a horrible disease in africa! ....seriously....
Nixon: lol africa.
researchers in 1995: jesus guys this outbreak just killed 250 people in the congo.
the clinton: but i dont play the congo.
researchers in 2007: guise this deathtoll is over 1000 so far and Western Uganda is looking pretty bad.
Dubya: What do you mean western union kicks ass their commercials are funny.
Ebola 2014: remember me? LOL KILLSTREAK=4000 and i took a few medics too u mad?
Obama: I'm dedicating 175 million dollars to fight this horrible disease
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Ewww...gross.
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Pease take off your tinfoil hat - it's acting as an antenna and overconcentrating the paranoid thoughts the CIA is putting into your tiny brain.
Rwanda was very different. It was a tribal war and not a medical emergency. Rwanda was much more complex.
It's not the total count (but thousands of people dead sucks) but the *rate* of infection that is freaking people out. It is picking up speed. That's bad.
We're looking at 10^3 *reported* cases, and this is currently uncontained, so who knows how many are bleeding out of their orifices in single apartments, unreported.
The bigger an infection gets, the harder it is to stop. So yeah, you want to freak out early and try to put the fire out quick by putting a lot of assets on the scene.
And, by the way, there are regions of the U.S. (yes, 'Murika!) where washing of the dead is a burial ceremony. Don't say that it can't possibly happen here. It can if you tempt fate enough times.
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It is grim because we don't want to "offend" anyone with the proper response (quarantine the zone) . Political Correctness run amok is going to kill people.
How many dead or sick people before we stop worrying about feelings and sensibilities?
Don't be daft.
It is impossible to quarantine an area encompassing Nigeria, Liberia, Sierra Leone, Senegal, Congo, etc. Furthermore, a quarantine condition would likely lead to a humanitarian disaster, which I'm guessing the US government foresees and wants to establish a presence on the ground to "assist."
As the days go by I can't help but think of the way in which the military was deployed in 28 Weeks Later (sequel to 28 Days). Let's hope treatment production can ramp up and get to the sufferers before a tactical military response is even contemplated.
Also, I suspect one reason why the US is out in front of this is that they've run epidemiological simulations on EBV and have found that the whole world, including the US, in a shitload of trouble in short time.
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I guess we need Bill Cosby to say it so that people won't herp and derp around about racism and actually consider that it might be true.
Perhaps you are unaware of exponential growth - http://www.geert.io/exponentia...
It's going to be difficult enough to get the 1700 beds constructed quickly enough to make a dent in this problem, and the magnitude of the problem is approximately doubling every month.
From the comments I've been reading to most of the Ebola news articles these days, American's have been demonstrating their stupidity at a truly alarming rate.
I would also add that the 52% fatality rate is much better than the 90% rate that other outbreaks have sufferred, and it suggests that the heroic medical intervention that is underway is having a beneficial effect.
if it happened in north america or the EU they'd quarantine the areas and the people inside would be super pissed but likely understanding mostly.
if its in some 3rd world shit hole where we all have to walk on eggshells about what we say or do concerning them its unreasonable to quarantine them
Can you picture Obama bent over a petri dish?
Either that or the most susceptible people were killed in previous outbreaks.
Thinning the herd etc.
Thats idiotic. There is no issue quarantining the affected zones as long as adequate care is provided to the sick and reasonable conditions are kept for the probable infections.
Quarantining and waiting for them to naturally die is moronic, if thats what you want go a die a painful death yourself.
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Granted, it won't be that fast unless it mutates in such a way that it can be spread through the air. If it does that, then growth quite a bit faster than exponential is possible.
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It is grim because we don't want to "offend" anyone with the proper response (quarantine the zone)quote> lulz. why would you think that quarantine zones would be effective? issue a: the quarantine cordon would need to actually stop people from entering and leaving. even if you post troops there will be people bribing and sneaking in and out. issue 2: you need a massive logistical response to take care of a large population under quarantine, and the currently afflicted nations don't have the logistics they need. issue d: what do you do when people riot.
come back to me with an example of when quarantining was effective. ever. in history.
WHY is the Chinese. We're being out-competed. The Chinese are providing technology to a number of African countries in exchange for resources (e.g. Coltan in Congo. Oil from Nigeria) and they're not insisting on human rights or democracy to provide it. Right now, the USA has the closest thing to an Ebola cure, which means that the Chinese are at a disadvantage.
This won't last, of course, and may result in a significant worldwide plague. Whether this is an unforeseen consequence of a planned feature is left as an exercise for the reader.
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if it happened in north america or the EU they'd quarantine the areas and the people inside would be super pissed but likely understanding mostly.
maybe in Europe because they're used to their governments telling them what to do. in America, people have RIGHTS and people have GUNS and they're going to do what they please thank you very much.
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for STDs, maybe. although I would still argue it's not true. for other viruses it's hard to put them all into the same bucket.
1495 Quarantining of Mercenaries in Switzerland.
While not 100% effective immediately, it did drastically reduced the infection rate. WHICH is really the goal.
Now, if your one of those "100% or don't bother trying" people, you're part of the problem.
But then again, allowing infected people to migrate all around the world seems so much better option. I mean, how else are we going to reduce population by 7 billion people to "sustainable" levels like the Georgia Guidestones suggest?
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It was only different because the death toll didn't have any direct affect on us. An extremely deadly virus left unchecked to mutate could in VERY bad ways.
So the simple answer is selfish interests. We don't care when people are dying as long as it doesn't affect us.
You might have a point there. If this happened in the US, people would perhaps really go nuts, many would likely panic and do all kind of crazy things, and some of them would shoot around like mad men, killing their fellow citizens, doctors, nurses and aid workers, and then infect 20 other people ... and then refuse to get vaccinated even tough a vaccine was available ...
Its AIDS all over again. Lets just sit back and watch it spread because its just Africans, then panic when it pops up in San Francisco.
It is impossible to quarantine an area encompassing Nigeria, Liberia, Sierra Leone, Senegal, Congo, etc.
Completely? You'd be right. On the other hand, blockading air and maritime travel, and deploying military forces on the borders of these countries would go a hell of a long way towards containing the disease.
The rest, while yes I agree would suck hard, is probably and sadly the only way to be certain that no one outside those areas get infected.
Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
Guns? Yeah, we got 'em in spades. Good luck using one to stop an M1 Abrams, a Hellfire missile, an AC-130, or suchlike.
Yes, we also have rights, but... an extreme and obvious case such as an Ebola outbreak in the US will obviously trump those rights (hell, past presidents have suspended habeas corpus before in the name of extremes...)
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you're really excited to give your rights away, but I'm not going to let you take mine.
In fairness, I suspect that GP was assuming that aid and care would still be shipped in (volunteer basis of course), which does not preclude or invalidate a quarantine.
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So the best example you can find is from 600 years age? Ummm ok then let's try something different
Guns? Yeah, we got 'em in spades. Good luck using one to stop an M1 Abrams, a Hellfire missile, an AC-130, or suchlike
I'm so weary of this Rambo Commando talk. the world doesn't work this way, k?
Ye Gods... really?
If you're quarantined and you see neighbors dying of Ebola, for fuck sakes - do your rights demand that you escape by any means, carry it with you, and spread it to other areas?
I get individual rights over statism, and would be among the first to take up arms against a tyranny, but damn... think of your fellow human beings for once.
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The death rate for the first 1000 infections was around 75%.
So 750 deaths.
By the time we reached 2000 infections the overall death rate was around 65%
So 1300 total deaths, or only 550 of the second 1000, which is 55%.
and by the time we reached 3000 infections it was around 55%
So 1650 total deaths, or only 350 of the third 1000, which is 35%.
The actual death rate right now is more like 35-45%
Which is certainly an improvement, but it's still terrible.
I assume this is because the care is improving and more people are pulling through
They try to keep them hydrated and well fed so that they don't simply die from the vomiting. They also try to detect them as early as possible to prevent the disease from spreading, and that likely makes the treatment more effective. However, there isn't much they can do as the treatment doesn't attack the virus directly, but is merely focused on keeping the body as healthy as possible so that they don't die before the immune system is able to deal with it.
but outbreaks like this often become less virulent over time as well.
That's the nature of things that change. At first they get worse, then at some point they're as bad as they are going to get, then they get better. However, without hindsight, it's difficult to say where we're at on that timeline.
Really? That's good to know.
Is that the same Furgeson that while having all that military gear still failed to stop a riot?
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CDC and WHO have never shown a hint of being concerned when diseases break out in Africa.
You mean besides sending doctors and scientists to help?
No it would not. I would give you a false sense of security. That is an enormous area that is virtually uncontrolled at present. All you need is dozen infected people to wander into some major city at the border of the quarantine region and it's all over.
Nobody has enough military forces to cover that much ground.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
If you can't see a difference between a viralant deadly disease and an ongoing tribal war then you have a problem. The former is countries asking for international aid to fight a deadly disease using doctors and a small security force. The latter is a foreign military force entering a country after years of tribal war where they are not welcome by some and forcibly preventing people from killing their neighbors. The main difference is that one disaster is caused by a virus and the other by people's decisions.
The bottom line is the the Hutu could have decided not to kill the Titsi but didn't.
Sure, it won't be pleasant, but the "Western" world shouldn't take anywhere near the damage Africa is taking.
You're doing that thing some of us call "skating to where the puck was" rather than "skating to where the puck will be".
EBV has already manifested several versions, some airborne (not yet contagious for humans), others with lower lethality (which is why this recent outbreak is so much more severe than previous ones).
If EBV is not contained now and stopped in its tracks, it will mutate/evolve and eventually be "successful" enough that you, I, and everyone else in the Western world will wonder what the hell happened.
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He's probably one of them that think that if we deploy a few hundred guardsmen to the 3145km of Mexico border, we could stop every single person crossing illegally. He's incapable of even comprehending what a border of 10744km (Republic of Congo alone) is much less how many people would have to be stationed how many feet apart in how many shifts just to stop the first few non-violent runners before the riots and armed mobs start rushing the borders.
Not at all. That's because we don't have teams dedicated to study tropical diseases or virology or epidemics or anything like that ....
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
He really needs to cut out the bath salts. That's nasty stuff - you can tell.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
I'm not convinced some level of quarantine wouldn't be wise. Just ban general air/maritime travel to/from any location within 100 miles of a reported Ebola case, and lock down borders/etc as best as you can. I agree that the disease will certainly continue to spread, but then you just expand the quarantine region as it does, staying a step ahead.
The goal isn't so much to prevent any spread at all as to keep the disease off of aircraft, where it could spread globally overnight.
Sooner or later the spread of the disease will end up running against geographical barriers, like the Sahara or the Atlantic/Indian Oceans. Gaza certainly would be a defensible border. There are limits on how far the disease could spread against a coordinated effort to contain it.
Plus, a decent quarantine will at least slow down the spread so that you have a fighting chance to do something about it. What is the alternative, throwing your hands up in the air and saying, "sure, feel free to get on a plane if you're sick?" Better to have a handful of people sneaking through the jungles between checkpoints spreading the disease than hundreds of people taking busses.
you're really excited to give your rights away, but I'm not going to let you take mine.
Uh, if you're in the one town in the US where there is an Ebola outbreak you're not going to be able to stop the rest of the country from taking your rights. There will be fences, tanks, armies, drones, aircraft, and the general works surrounding your town. Your stash of AR-15s in the basement aren't going to accomplish much except maybe to keep your neighbors from stealing your food assuming you have a stockpile so that you can stay inside and let the disease blow over. Besides, if you do have such a stockpile then just hunker down - you'll outlive the epidemic anyway, which is probably why you have that stockpile to begin with.
Well, that is if the rest of the country has the brains to set up a strong quarantine. There is a good chance that this won't look good in the polls so we'll just ask everybody to be nice and stay at home, and watch the disease overrun the country. Maybe I should work on my own stockpile... :)
But, if the government has any brains they'll put up a perimeter around the town, lock down all air travel into/out of the country, And burn down everything within 10 miles of the town to create a no-man's land. I mean, we are talking about a plague that could kill half the population here. Given a choice of raising taxes half a percent to rebuild the no-man's land after it is all over, or watching the entire country turn into a post-apocalyptic horror story, I'll take a bit of authoritarianism and call you in the morning.
There is some level of quarantine - the liberian government blockaded in the slum area where a clinic was raided, and sealed off about 50,000 people. That's probably about the limit of their efforts.
But frankly, you're also ignoring what's been actually happening: such an ambassador catching Ebola in one country, knowingly returning to another (via air travel), then staying in a hotel without telling anyone being treated in secret by a doctor, who also doesn't tell anyone, goes home, and spreads it to his wife.
Queue a couple 1000 potentially infected, by a vector which would be utterly missed due to plain old corruption and idiocy.
So what do you do now? Expand the quarantine? Do you even have enough troops to do that? And in the meantime, what about all the regular issues such as food and water, sanitation and normal completely curable diseases which will take hold.
I would also add that the 52% fatality rate is much better than the 90% rate that other outbreaks have sufferred, and it suggests that the heroic medical intervention that is underway is having a beneficial effect.
The 90% figure is for the Zaire strain of Ebola,
The current strain is new but believed related to the Uganda strain that has a 50% fatality rate.
However this is still bad, diseases that we consider bad like Yellow Fever have a 20% mortality rate that reduces to 3% if treated early. If you travel to a South America, you need proof of a Yellow Fever vaccine to get back into Australia without issue.
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Ok, maybe it's justified if it's your next-door neighbor. You know, maybe anyone on your block. Better be safe and make it anyone within the ZIP Code. Why not just expand it to be the entire city? Better safe than sorry.
1) fantasy quarantines don't work. they never have.
2) i'm not going to waste any more typing
Uhh. No. The number of people previously infected is very low, and concentrated in areas not part of the current outbreak.
The West Point slum quarantine was only for a few days. There were already more patients outside the quarantine than inside. It was more of a toll road than a medical quarantine anyway - people were regularly crossing for as little as $2. This is Liberia.
Help stamp out iliturcy.
Americans have other dirty habits West Africans don't have, such as snorting drugs of unknown origin.
Help stamp out iliturcy.
It is actually geometric growth, because the doubling period is getting shorter. Not that it matters much.
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Dont they? I lived in Africa and heard from pothead friends how was so much easier to get drugs there, and far less the risk of being caught. And I saw routinely foreign people drugged.
Maybe not blocking air and sea travel has something to do with Monsanto buying shares of the firm producing the miraculous drug that kills Ebola...
"touching"? you have no idea. http://www.refworld.org/docid/... "Nigeria: Ritual whereby a widow drinks the water used to clean her husband's corpse; consequences for a widow's refusal to drink the water; whether a widow's refusal is interpreted by others as responsibility for her husband's death"
How many dead or sick people before we stop worrying about feelings and sensibilities?
Well, your plan seems to be for somewhere between 10 and 20 million.
Idiot.
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deploying military forces on the borders of these countries
You are an idiot. What on earth do you imagine the "borders" of Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea look like?
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But frankly, you're also ignoring what's been actually happening: such an ambassador catching Ebola in one country, knowingly returning to another (via air travel), then staying in a hotel without telling anyone being treated in secret by a doctor, who also doesn't tell anyone, goes home, and spreads it to his wife.
Queue a couple 1000 potentially infected, by a vector which would be utterly missed due to plain old corruption and idiocy.
But that's exactly what as already happended and lead to 21 cases and 7 deaths, not a world wide pandemic.
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if it happened in north america or the EU they'd quarantine the areas and the people inside would be super pissed but likely understanding mostly.
maybe in Europe because they're used to their governments telling them what to do.
Bullshit.
In Europe we have functional health systems and governments that understand that violent force is not the appropriate response to disease.
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Burundi, Lesotho, and Malawi, Togo
The Spanish Sahara is gone,
Niger, Nigeria, Chad, and Liberia
Egypt, Benin, and Gabon.
Tanzania, Somalia, Kenya, and Mali
Sierra Leone, and Algiers,
Dahomey, Namibia, Senegal, Libya
Cameroon, Congo, Zaire.
Ethiopia, Guinea-Bissau, Madagascar
Rwanda, Mahore, and Cayman,
Hong Kong, Abu Dhabi, Qatar, Yugoslavia...
Crete, Mauritania
Then Transylvania,
Monaco, Liechtenstein
Malta, and Palestine,
Fiji, Australia, Sudan
Yeah, it's not like Americans spent some $15,000,000,000.00 during Bush's second term to help fight AIDs in Africa, dropping the death rate by some ten percent and saving millions of lives or anything with the President's Emergency Plan For AIDS Relief (although, it seems like the funding may have been cut by the following presidency).
Or... any of the countless foundations that spend billions of dollars conducting charitable work in Africa, such as some of those sponsored by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.
I never claimed the quarantine would work.
You claimed that "you're really excited to give your rights away, but I'm not going to let you take mine."
My point was simply that you have no ability to prevent the government from taking your rights away in a situation like this.
That was the stupids thing I have seen posted on /. for ages.
First: european have rights, too. And some even guns.
Second: suppose a town gets quarantined in the USA, what do you believe your punny guns inside of the quarantine will help you against tanks and flame throwers? A SAVE BET IS THAT THE US GOVERNMENT WILL HAVE NAPALM BOMBERS circling over the town, exactly BECAUSE they know that idiots like you rather risk to get infected by breaking out with other infected people, or risk to get shot instead of simply staying in their 'safe' house.
So you certainly won't be doing what you 'please'. You either are uninfected and stay in a house and survive: or you die, either to the infection or by running around like a chicken or idiot and get infected or by those who have the bigger guns, idiot.
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You have no right to infect me, no idea how you come to that absurd idea.
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The current outbreak is not a single outbreak.
It is already spread over six or seven quite distant from each other areas. There are also minimum two different strains involved, about which I'm aware, probably more.
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21 days in Liberia
No, it was more like 77% in Guinea back in May when it was almost controlled - no new cases for two weeks in the two major treatment centers - and with new cases getting quickly identified and taken to treatment there was a better chance for survival. Liberia has never been getting proper treatment and monitoring, the people are resisting or running, and all beds are taken at the few facilities they do have and have been turning away obviously symptomatic patients for three weeks.
Don't fall into the trap of dividing the number of currently known cases by the number of currently known dead. There is a 9-14 day window before death or recovery is for certain. If you divide the most recent numbers for death by 14 days ago cases the result is more like 70-80% depending on which of the three countries you look at.
Unfortunately, even tough he is being non-PC he is telling the naked truth. Now, if you want to call racist to someone who is telling the uncomfortable truth, that is your problem. Yes, it is that bad, but some countries without the external aid money would have (almost) no money at all.
And then even you bribe them, often the food is given to the right kind of people to "buy" tribal and political favours. Or sold.
It may result in a plague because there is not a blockage. We had already had a few scares here in Portugal and Spain, but luckily until now they were false.
It is grim because we don't want to "offend" anyone with the proper response (quarantine the zone) . Political Correctness run amok is going to kill people.
How many dead or sick people before we stop worrying about feelings and sensibilities?
Don't be daft.
It is impossible to quarantine an area encompassing Nigeria, Liberia, Sierra Leone, Senegal, Congo, etc. Furthermore, a quarantine condition would likely lead to a humanitarian disaster, which I'm guessing the US government foresees and wants to establish a presence on the ground to "assist."
As the days go by I can't help but think of the way in which the military was deployed in 28 Weeks Later (sequel to 28 Days). Let's hope treatment production can ramp up and get to the sufferers before a tactical military response is even contemplated.
Also, I suspect one reason why the US is out in front of this is that they've run epidemiological simulations on EBV and have found that the whole world, including the US, in a shitload of trouble in short time.
Why not send the sick to ISIS. Their belief in Alah will save the sick.
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If the government can't stop undocumented immigrants, how can they stop a population full of people with 9mm diversions and nothing to lose?
I was speaking of the quarantine of something like a town. That is a FAR different problem than sealing a large border. I also assumed that there would be no constraints on the tactics used - shooting anybody that moves is far easier to implement than arresting anybody that moves (and far less likely to expose troops to the disease).
Like I said, I don't think this scenario is likely since there isn't that much political will for something like this. If there were, however, it could probably be done fairly effectively.
That wasn't the question. It works, when it is kept. The problem is that people don't give a shit about others, and thus spread death in the name of freedom. Lame.
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ok, so given that people are inherently selfish, what is the best way for a society to prevent the spread of disease? cordons are less effective than other options. instead of being absolutists and insisting on an ineffective cordon because we think it's "the way things should be", let's use cheaper, more effective solutions that will slow down the virus and save lives. it's like we're talking about teen abstinence. did you know the regions that are so focused on abstinence-only education have the highest rates of teen pregnancy?
" let's use cheaper, more effective solutions that will slow down the virus and save lives."
Like what? Bringing infected people to the US. That sounds like a real good way to keep infections out. Or do you not understand the consequences of bringing African Bees to Brazil for "research"?
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