Apple Yanks iOS 8 Update

alphadogg writes Within hours of releasing an iOS 8 update to address assorted bugs in the new iPhone and iPad operating system Apple has been forced to pull the patch, which itself was causing iPhone 6 and 6 Plus users grief. Reports filled Apple support forums that the iOS 8 update was cutting off users' cell service and making Touch ID inoperable. The Wall Street Journal received this statement from Apple: "We have received reports of an issue with the iOS 8.0.1 update. We are actively investigating these reports and will provide information as quickly as we can. In the meantime we have pulled back the iOS 8.0.1 update."

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Just don't update it that way.

[Anonymous Coward]

Sent from my iPhone 6, now with FlexScreen Technology

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[Anonymous Coward]

It's amazing how metal objects bend when subjected to repeated and prolonged stress.

Re: Just don't update it that way.

[Anonymous Coward]

You're sitting on it wrong...

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[ledow]

Then don't make your phone from that metal.

People put phones in pockets. People sit on phones. People drop phones.

I know, because I've done all the above. My phone basically lives in my pocket, sitting or standing, or running around. And I've never bent one yet.

Maybe it's just fashion-over-functionality, like most Apple products, but I'd prefer a very expensive phone not to bend because it's in your pocket.

P.S. My keys are metal. They don't bend. Car keyfobs don't bend, even the larger ones. You can make excuses all you like - other models and manufacturers DO NOT have this problem, to anywhere near the same extent. Seriously, one week after release - it's not a "repeated and prolonged" stress - it's you forgetting it's in your pocket ONCE and then bending a very expensive device.

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[slazzy]

It's amazing how electronic devices break when the case they are in bends enough.
It's also amazing how metal effectively doesn't bend when you use enough of it. (like my iPhone 5...)

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[BasilBrush]

P.S. My keys are metal. They don't bend.

Some people have bent their iPhones, some people have bent their keys. Looking at the video of someone bending an iPhone 6 Plus deliberately in their hands, the pressure needed is about the same as it would take to bend a key.

I'd actually say there are very few people who've never bent a key. It doesn't happen often but it does happen. And it's a precursor to the key snapping in the lock, which plenty of people have also experienced.

You can make excuses all you like - other models and manufacturers DO NOT have this problem, to anywhere near the same extent.

You don't know what the extent is. You just have a small number of examples, and this being Apple anything that happens is news. Other phones do bend, and if they don't bend, they break.

http://www.cultofmac.com/29740...

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[kannibal_klown]

I'm not standing up for Apple... this was a stupid mistake. Didn't any of their beta-testers wear skinny jeans and keep it in the pocket? They should have realized the potential issue.

However... your comparisons are silly. Keys are solid bricks of metal, and usually hard metal so they don't deform and become useless. They must be very strong and very rigid; it's their entire purpose.

Phones are hollow metal shells with mostly air inside, with some silicone wafers and bits of copper wires.

If you make a hollow shell out of metal and thin enough... OR COURSE it's going to bend. Even if it's flippin steel. In this case they chose aluminum, presumably because it was easier to shape into that wedge design.

Now... MOST companies when making thin metal shells purposely don't make them too thin just for reasons like this. And this is where Apple's form-over-function failed.

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[ganjadude]

Id like to believe if this issue was widespread, we would have heard about it when the note 3 launched.. or the GS5... or the (insert other flagship phone here) was released. I mean the iphone 6 hasnt been out a week, This will end up becoming a much bigger issue than antennagate

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[geekoid]

" My keys are metal. They don't bend."
I bet they have. Keys will bend with time. Take out two keys and place them against each other, very often one will be bent. This is on old circus trick technique for 'mind bending' illusion.
They way you worded that implies you think metal can't be bent. Which is obviously incorrect...right?

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[Aaden42]

Can you even FIT the 6+ in the pocket of a pair of skinny jeans???

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[geekoid]

But other hone con't become bent. The go back into shape.
This is a manufacturing problem. It's not a good one. I would wager it's one that wouldn't have gotten past Jobs.

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[_xeno_]

I'm not standing up for Apple... this was a stupid mistake. Didn't any of their beta-testers wear skinny jeans and keep it in the pocket? They should have realized the potential issue.

You know what, based on previous Apple stories, probably not.

Apparently Apple is so stupidly secretive about their new phones that when they beta test the new hardware, they require them to be in special "camouflage cases" to prevent outsiders from getting a sneak peak at the new phone.

So it's entirely possible that they literally never tested having the phone in a pants pocket the entire day without it also being in a rigid case that prevented the problem from happening.

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[Tough Love]

It's amazing how metal objects bend when subjected to repeated and prolonged stress.

No that's not it. It's a reality distortion field.

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[BasilBrush]

Samsung phones don't get the same news coverage that Apple phones do. A new iPhone and any surrounding issues make it onto mainstream news sites and chat shows.

All large, thin phones bend. A plastic one is more likely to bend back than an aluminium one. But it depends also on the internals and how flexible or brittle they are.

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[Grizzley9]

You can make excuses all you like - other models and manufacturers DO NOT have this problem,

Mod +1 Funny.

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[mlts]

Depends on the key. My Abloy and Abloy/Abus keys are still quite rigid. My automotive keys (think Strattec, formerly Briggs-Straggon) are well aligned. The five-pin cheapo keys that go to the Kwikset deadbolts that are made out of aluminum or cheap brass are not. That is why locks that are used many times a day are usually either lever locks (like safe deposit boxes), or mogul cylinders (larger keys, and the pins have a ball bearing in them.)

I was wondering when devices would get so thin that their basic integrity would have issues. I remember this with the PCMCIA card-shaped Franklin REX, and knew it was only a matter of time before too thin became a liability, not a selling point.

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[ganjadude]

I understand that (although im not so sure its as true now as it was in past years, the samsung keynote was pretty big) But you know as well as I that fanbois are rabid, (on any topic) and if it were a large problem for the other phones, the fanbois would be up in arms talking about how THEIR phone is SO MUCH BETTER!!?!

I could be wrong, I dont stay on top of all the little things on all the phones, I still feel if this was a real issue with other phones, it would be out by now.

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[andydread]

well if it bends it'll just conform to your face better.. What's the problem?

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[Bing Tsher E]

Do you get overtime when Apple fucks up this badly and you have to come on Slashdot to protect them?

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[Luckyo]

Plastic bends. It just doesn't suffer catastrophic deformation from it, and instead returns to its old shape when force is no longer applied. Aluminium, not so much.

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[Wonko the Sane]

Both aluminium and plastic have both elastic deformation and plastic deformation modes. Depending on the exact material involved, plastic might have a larger or a smaller elastic deformation range than aluminium.

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[Anonymous Coward]

YOU DON'T KNOW! YOU'RE WRONG! ALL PHONES DO IT! MY PHONE IS STILL SPECIAL!

Really? You sound like a petty child defending his toys. I see that the only website that you linked is called the Cult of Mac, which pretty much says it's about the Apple Religion (fanboi!) and not about true functionality.

How many years did you have a key before you bent your first one? When apple comes out with a new design that takes into account that people do put phones in their pocket, will you admit that you're full of shit? Or will you ignore it and/or call them revolutionary for fixing a problem they created? You can't save Steve Jobs' life by sticking your head up his ass now. He's gone. I'm sorry bro. If you need to cry it out then let me know. I'll be your shoulder to cry on. I'll be your strength when you can no longer stand. I love you, bro.

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[Anonymous Coward]

This is the smartest thing I've seen anyone say about the issue. Please don't let the fanbois know where you live. They may kill you for having sense.

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[Barsteward]

it saves putting a sock down there

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[macs4all]

It's amazing how electronic devices break when the case they are in bends enough. It's also amazing how metal effectively doesn't bend when you use enough of it. (like my iPhone 5...)

Oh, how quickly we willfully forget...

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[exomondo]

Samsung phones don't get the same news coverage that Apple phones do. A new iPhone and any surrounding issues make it onto mainstream news sites and chat shows.

Of course, but there are a couple of other the points you're missing.

-If an Android manufacturer has this issue with a model of their phone then users can just choose a different Android manufacturer or model.
-For the latest model iOS smartphone users have the choice of only whatever the latest iPhone is, so if it has an issue then it's an issue for all iOS smartphone users.
-The iPhone has historically been the most common smartphone so an issue with the most common device affects more people than an issue with a less common one.
-As you point out, plastic will flex but will also bend back and aluminium phones like the HTC one require a lot more force to bend due to the curved back.
-Apple is one of the biggest and richest companies in the world so when they screw up of course it's going to be big news.

Having said all this I have a 6+ and I know I'm going to have to be a lot more wary of this.

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[BasilBrush]

-If an Android manufacturer has this issue with a model of their phone then users can just choose a different Android manufacturer or model.

It appears to only have happened to iPhone 6 Plus phones. So there's still the choice of iPhone 6, 5S and 5C if you want to avoid the problem. The 6 Plus was probably not the best choice for anyone who keeps their phone in their jeans pocket. Better for cargo pants or a a purse.

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[Savage-Rabbit]

Samsung phones don't get the same news coverage that Apple phones do. A new iPhone and any surrounding issues make it onto mainstream news sites and chat shows.

All large, thin phones bend. A plastic one is more likely to bend back than an aluminium one. But it depends also on the internals and how flexible or brittle they are.

Do you get overtime when Apple fucks up this badly and you have to come on Slashdot to protect them?

Get a hold of yourself. By pointing out that ultra thin mobile phones bend easily he didn't commit blasphemy, he made a simple and rather obvious engineering observation. The guy who works in the cubicle next to mine managed to destroy his Samsung Galaxy by putting it in the back pocket of his jeans and sitting down to enjoy a cup of caffé latte. There was an audible *SNAP*, the phone bent and the LCD display was ruined. The only difference here is that there was no TV news crew on the scene 30 minutes later followed by an army of fanboys venting their outrage on Slashdot over how badly Samsung had fucked up and hypothesizing that anybody pointing out that smartphones sometimes bend must be a shill on Samsung's payroll. And just for your enjoyment.... here is the link that started this flamewar, complete with a wide selection of photographs of bent smartphones: http://www.cultofmac.com/29740....

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[exomondo]

It appears to only have happened to iPhone 6 Plus phones. So there's still the choice of iPhone 6, 5S and 5C if you want to avoid the problem. The 6 Plus was probably not the best choice for anyone who keeps their phone in their jeans pocket. Better for cargo pants or a a purse.

Well given that the 5S exhibits this issue - though it's much less widespread - while being thicker and with a smaller face it would seem the thinner, larger iPhone 6 is going to have this issue to even more of a degree. Yes you could choose the 5C, but that's using 2 year old hardware so you're likely to get about another year of it being usable before updates make it dog slow like they have with the 4S.

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[painandgreed]

I'm not standing up for Apple... this was a stupid mistake. Didn't any of their beta-testers wear skinny jeans and keep it in the pocket?

Probably did, but this is happening to probably to one hundredth of a percent of people. Their testing probably only included a few hundred people carrying the phone if that many. Still, with large sales, enough for it to be noticed. Much like the antenna issue with earlier phone. Affects practically nobody, but that's still enough to be an issue with the numbers they are selling the attention it is getting. Add in that they seem to assume that people will use cases (and most do IME, I seem to be the only phone user that goes 'bareback' that I know) or just not put a phone under the stresses that it is getting.

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[Anonymous Coward]

I seriously doubt that. This is not rocket science, phone manufacturers have been doing bend/flex tests for years.

Here's a video showing Nokia doing it back in 2008!

I'd have a hard time believing that Apple doesn't also do this. More likely, they made a tradeoff in form vs. function. Time will tell if it's the right decision.

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[Anonymous Coward]

And just for your enjoyment.... here is the link that started this flamewar, complete with a wide selection of photographs of bent smartphones: http://www.cultofmac.com/29740....

A wide selection? There are 9, one of them was sat on while it was in a cup holder and 4 of the remaining 8 are iPhones.

Also I just noticed the Lumia 925 in that link, man the new iPhone design is one hell of a rip off of that!

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[MildlyTangy]

How does this stop them from wearing it all day in pants pockets, while at the Apple Campus In Cupertino(tm)?
That facility is more tightly controlled than a nuclear power station, no member of the public will ever see it within that building.

I cannot see how they failed to test it in house with real world conditions.

But thankfully, Apple being Apple, if there is a genuine issue, they will fix it. Antennagate was fixed when they realised their mistake, it will be the same with bendygate if its a real issue.

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[sphealey]

Um.... the same editorial team also runs the Cult of Android site. Bit of self-depreciating humor there I think.

sPh

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[nytes]

That's not a pocket!

I hope you don't keep the business cards you hand out down there.

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[Blaskowicz]

How often do people sit on a *cupholder*? Car fellatio gone wrong?

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[Dutch Gun]

I've noticed my HTC One - which has an aluminum frame - has a distinctly curved back to it. From the photo's I've seen, the iPhone looks like it has a fairly flat back, correct? I just tried flexing my phone a bit, and it didn't seem to give much at all. I wouldn't be too surprised if that shape was deliberately chosen to give the HTC phone extra structural rigidity?

I guess I'm not too surprised to see some issues like that with the race to make these devices lighter, thinner, AND bigger.

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[cheater512]

I never even considered bending with my Sony Z2 which isn't exactly a small phone. After several months of being in my jeans pockets a lot it is still dead flat. No warping when placed on a flat surface.

Re: Just don't update it that way.

[jackspenn]

You don't know what the extent is. You just have a small number of examples

Which, is why we're opening up the latest /. challenge.

We've slashdotted web sites before, but not retail stores. So what if in the name of science we go to Apple stores and test for ourselves? (We can publish experiments and their results on YouTube ... Oh the iRony)

Think of how helpful this will be; not only Apple designers, but for consumers as well.

Let's test the iPhone 6+ in tight pants, really tight pants, European tight pants, blue jeans, front pockets, back pockets, shirt pockets, skirt pockets and dare I suggest some of the boys over at the Scottish Apple store (or administrators of System V based Unix) try testing kilt pockets.

iLearn by example, so remember we need a control. Somebody is going to have to go to the NYC glass cube, buck naked. We need to know if your iPhone 6+ gets bent or not when the police choke hold you from behind.

Re: Just don't update it that way.

[jackspenn]

This is not rocket science

Nope, this is pocketscience.

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[Anonymous Coward]

it saves putting a sock down there

I can see it now:
"I don't have an iPhone in my pocket, I'm just happy to see you."

"Get bent!"

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[Anonymous Coward]

>>> I know, because I've done all the above. My phone basically lives in my pocket, sitting or standing, or running around

You might wanna have kids someday

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[Barsteward]

(Score:4, Informative) - i certainly wasn't aiming for that

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[Anonymous Coward]

Wholly depends on the type of aluminium alloy they used I suppose, not sure what kind of plastic material got used either. But have some form of elasticity, but if the limit is exceed they will retain their new form and not go back.

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[bingoUV]

Looking at the video of someone bending an iPhone 6 Plus deliberately in their hands, the pressure needed is about the same as it would take to bend a key.

But much less than the pressure it would take to bend Moto X, a Lumia, Note 3, and iPhone 6.

Moto X, some Lumia, iPhone 6 bend much much less than iPhone 6+ on similar force. HTC One M8 bends more, though not as permanently as iPhone 6+.

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[kannibal_klown]

Shape DOES help. The top and bottom of the soda can turn what would be a very very weak bag-of-liquid into something a bit more rigid.

However in the case of the HTC One (M8) it's fairly thicker than the iPhone as well. The middle of the back bulges out quite a fair bit, and the edges dont' come close to the iPhone6. That probably means a lot more material in general: thicker metal, more "stuff" inside the case, etc.

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[necro81]

My keys are metal. They don't bend.

Ah, but do your keys have a 5.7" screen?

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[Anonymous Coward]

nah, you'd just burn your lips if you did that wrong. Let it cool first.

Re: Just don't update it that way.

[Anonymous Coward]

You're folding it wrong

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[david_thornley]

I just tried to bend my 5S. I exerted a significant amount of force with no apparent success. If somebody bent one significantly, I want to know how.

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[david_thornley]

I suspect this was behind the iPhone 4 antenna issue, also (although in practice it wasn't that bad). Apple doesn't extensively test the whole product with case in public, and from what I've heard the Apple campus has a strong signal, so dropping the equivalent of one bar (what I could do by licking my finger and putting it in the right place) didn't make much difference.

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[rezme]

Might even be self deprecating too...

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[BasilBrush]

Well if we also have examples of the 5S being bent, and yet it hasn't proven to be a significant problem over the year, there is no reason to assume this one is.

ANY phone will either bent or break. It simply depends on how much stress you put on it.

The 5C is only a year old, not 2. And there's a financial compensation for that year - a significant price reduction. It's now free with a contract.

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[exomondo]

Well if we also have examples of the 5S being bent, and yet it hasn't proven to be a significant problem over the year, there is no reason to assume this one is.

Except the new ones are much larger and significantly thinner, obviously making the possibility of deformation far more likely.

The 5C is only a year old, not 2. And there's a financial compensation for that year - a significant price reduction. It's now free with a contract.

The hardware is from the 5, which is 3 years old.

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[exomondo]

Well i guess it mustn't have that issue then.

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[turp182]

I wonder if they have a patent on the design. It would actually seem to be a reasonable patent in my opinion (structural support via a specific design).

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[Anonymous Coward]

You're just wearing it wrong.

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[BasilBrush]

Except the new ones are much larger and significantly thinner, obviously making the possibility of deformation far more likely.

An observation that applies to all "phablets".

The hardware is from the 5, which is 3 years old.

Same mistake. The iPhone 5 is 2 years old.

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[Dutch Gun]

It actually crossed my mind, but man, would that be lame if it were true. A curved backplate designed for strength is patentable? Every structural engineer on the planet learns this in his first year statics course (or probably in high school). I hope to high hell it isn't patented, even though I like my HTC One, because I'd just have to cry. Prior art includes soda and beer cans.

A quick search turned up no obvious hits, but I certainly could have missed it. Every time I searched, I got a lot of hits for Apple's patents on curved rectangles and curved batteries, etc.

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[exomondo]

An observation that applies to all "phablets".

What other ones are as thin as the new iPhones, flat (because having a curve like the HTC one is better engineering as it gives added strength) and made of aluminium?

Same mistake. The iPhone 5 is 2 years old.

I meant 2, which is what I said in my original post regarding the 5C, it's 2 year old hardware which means by Apple standards it will be dog slow a year from now.

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[BasilBrush]

"Look, all you need to do is get an Android phone from HTC for it's curved back. Then get an Android phone from Sony because their cameras are so good. Then get a Galaxy Note from Samsung for the largest screen. Then get a Nexus from Google to get a decent software experience. Finally, get a phone from Hauwei because theyâ(TM)re cheap. Then mash them all together and youâ(TM)ve got one phone thatâ(TM)s better than the iPhone!

"Thatâ(TM)ll work, right? Well, unless you mash them all together and get the worst of each one. Just mash carefully."

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[BasilBrush]

What other ones are as thin as the new iPhones, flat (because having a curve like the HTC one is better engineering as it gives added strength) and made of aluminium?

It's funny you should mention the HTC One. Consumer reports did proper scientific stress testing of a number of phones inluding both iPhone 6s and the HTC One. ANd both the iPhones outperformed the HTC One.

Would you have the decency to admit you were taken in by a myth, or are you going to go quiet now?

"All the phones we tested showed themselves to be pretty tough. The iPhone 6 Plus, the more robust of the new iPhones in our testing, started to deform when we reached 90 pounds of force, and came apart with 110 pounds of force. With those numbers, it slightly outperformed the HTC One (which is largely regarded as a sturdy, solid phone), as well as the smaller iPhone 6, yet underperformed some other smart phones."
http://www.consumerreports.org...

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[exomondo]

What are you talking about? The solution is to properly engineer the chassis of the iPhone to be more structurally sound rather than this stupid pursuit of thinness above all else. Nobody ever complained that even the old iPhone 3G was too thick.

Also I notice you avoided answering my followup question to your assertion:

An observation that applies to all "phablets".

What other ones are as thin as the new iPhones, flat (because having a curve like the HTC one is better engineering as it gives added strength) and made of aluminium?

Care to answer that one?

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[BasilBrush]

Would you have the decency to admit you were taken in by a myth, or are you going to go quiet now?

Clearly it's the latter.

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[Plumpaquatsch]

Id like to believe if this issue was widespread, we would have heard about it when the note 3 launched.. or the GS5... or the (insert other flagship phone here) was released. I mean the iphone 6 hasnt been out a week, This will end up becoming a much bigger issue than antennagate

Yeah, because all the problems with Samsung products or labour issues had the same media exposure as those from Apple. And yes, this will be a bigger issue than Antennagate, because nobody but the haters will care about it in 4 weeks instead of 3 weeks.

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[BasilBrush]

That question became irrelevant given that the premise that the iPhones are worse than the HTC One was wrong. Even if it were relevant, if you want to know go look - I certainly don't follow Android designs.

But you are still ignoring the fact that the phone you presented as a paradigm is more easily bent than the iPhone 6 Plus and the same as the iPhone 6. Evidence via Consumer Reports.You had a chance to prove you weren't just a hater troll, and you failed.

End of conversation. You've proven yourself not to be interested in the truth.

Re:Just don't update it that way.

[exomondo]

That question became irrelevant given that the premise that the iPhones are worse than the HTC One was wrong. Even if it were relevant, if you want to know go look - I certainly don't follow Android designs.

It isn't irrelevant, you stated it and I can't find any evidence of it so you're called out as a liar, unless you can back it up, but you can't.

But you are still ignoring the fact that the phone you presented as a paradigm is more easily bent than the iPhone 6 Plus and the same as the iPhone 6. Evidence via Consumer Reports.You had a chance to prove you weren't just a hater troll, and you failed.

End of conversation. You've proven yourself not to be interested in the truth.

No, actually it is you who is not interested in the truth. Explain to me what exactly is it in that Consumer Reports test that is being tested? Is that thing on the end of the actuator supposed to represent some really thin leg? And the smartphone has somehow wedged horizontally down in one's pocket? Come on, don't be an idiot.

Frankly the level of stupidity on this issue is just astounding and now you are actually going to look at this test and tell me you genuinely think that is representative of a real world situation? Really? You point to that report and then call me a "hater troll"? No, I have a 6+ and it's great, I hope it doesn't bend and I don't really think it will but I'm not a shill, I'm not going to look at that test and pretend it demonstrates anything about real world usage.

it's a new feature

[alen]

to make sure you don't use up your mobile data quota

No big deal

[Anonymous Coward]

Just ask Siri to fix it for ya

Re:No big deal

[plover]

"Cortana, can you fix my buggy iPhone update?"

"You bought an iPhone. Oh, dear. There is a Microsoft store ten miles south of you. Would you like directions?"

Re:No big deal

[ArcadeMan]

"You bought an iPhone. Oh, dear. There is a Microsoft store ten thousand miles south of you. Would you like directions?"

FTFY.

Re:No big deal

[Anonymous Coward]

Apparently you don't know how small the Earth is. This would put the Microsoft store at the south pole for most of the world.

Re:No big deal

[LynnwoodRooster]

Or he used Apple Maps to find the nearest Microsoft store?

Re:No big deal

[Anguirel]

"You will arrive in 5 minutes... 8 hours... 20 seconds... 92 years... 23 minutes... 18 days..."

From bent to broken?

[blueshift_1]

Apple sure is mucking up this one... from bendable phones to buggy software. You know it's rough when you're creating issues with both hardware and software (but who is ultimately to blame?!? - the usual chicken and the egg argument).

Re:From bent to broken?

[geekoid]

I don't think software has much to be blamed for when the case is bending, and I don't think the case is to be blamed for buggy software.

And no, it's almost never a chicken and egg problem. It is often a blame game hidden behind people saying its a chicken and egg problem.

Re:From bent to broken?

[Anonymous Coward]

The bendable phones is a non issue. People should be more careful and not bend their phones. Duh.

I'm with you on the buggy software though. They better fix Wave so it stops damaging devices!

Re:From bent to broken?

[Anonymous Coward]

But didn't they at least succeed in creating a phone which can be charged in a microwave oven?

Re:From bent to broken?

[Anonymous Coward]

Nope, so far out of over 10 million phones sold there have been a grand total of 2 phones reported as bent, one of which was purposely bent by the reviewer to try and demonstrate if the phone could be bent and it took him using a great deal of force with his hands to do it (he didn't attempt to bend it in his pants which would have been a proper test). All of these reports are just FUD trolling for page views.

ha ha

[enjar]

I wonder what Tim Cook's chosen "it's a crappy day in the neighborhood" anger outlet is?
Ballmer threw chairs.

Re:ha ha

[synapse7]

I'm surprised they didn't take their normal stance of denial, maybe that was only a Jobs trait.

Re:ha ha

[Anonymous Coward]

No one could ever come close to what Ballmers crappy days must be like, even though he probably experienced them 99.99999% of the time!

Re:ha ha

[plover]

One of the many advantages of jailbreaking is that I have no temptation to upgrade until someone releases a jailbreak for the new version. I probably won't be updating to iOS 8 for months, at which time it will be only to a reasonably stable version.

Of course the buggier they are, the easier it is for the guys to find an exploitable vulnerability. Maybe I should install 8.0.1.

Re:ha ha

[enjar]

Denial is a river in Egypt, but good luck finding it with Apple Maps.

Re:ha ha

[Anonymous Coward]

red room of pain

Re:ha ha

[Ash-Fox]

I really wish Apple would be successful in locking people out from jail breaking their devices. Then we could focus more on open platforms instead instead of wasting effort on a platform never intended to be open.

Re:ha ha

[gigne]

ja know geography good an ting!

Re:ha ha

[enjar]

Siri? Is that you?

Re:ha ha

[Anonymous Coward]

The person responsible for this would be Kim Vorrath, who has a reputation for anger management issues. Supposedly, she once slammed the door to her office so hard the doorknob broke off and somehow locked herself in there. Her boss at the time had to break it down with a bat.

Re:ha ha

[Anonymous Coward]

I wonder what Tim Cook's chosen "it's a crappy day in the neighborhood" anger outlet is?
Ballmer threw chairs.

I dunno but I have it on good authority that Sergei Brin throws computer science textbooks so you better duck when he gets angry because not only are those suckers hardbound, they are *HEAVY*.

Re: ha ha

[Anonymous Coward]

Spray some soba noodles up in his place.

Re:ha ha

[macs4all]

Well I guess this blows the whole "Apple it just works" argument out of the water. The new slogan can be "Apple we will patch that patch soon".

I seem to remember Microsoft hastily pulling a Windows Patch Tuesday Update recently, because it was Blue Screening a bunch of Computers...

Then the REPLACEMENT patch had KNOWN issues, too!

...and there have been other instances, too...

So, I guess "It happens".

Re:ha ha

[Ash-Fox]

Don't try to wish away the rights of others to do what the fuck they want.

Too bad, I am. I think it's self destructive to continue down the path of making these locked down platforms popular if your intent is to open it. The open alternatives will die out and at that point, they merely need to succeed in locking out and nobody will have open systems any more. I want locked down platforms to succeed in locking down now, rather than later.

Re:ha ha

[Anonymous Coward]

I really wish car makers were successful in making sure no one could replace their engine without going through an authorized dealer. Then we could really focus on cars that were meant to be modified.

But unlike apple with jailbreaking, car makers arent trying to do that and 99.99999% of people arent interested in replacing the engine in their car anyway, moreover of the tiny amount that do I would wager pretty much none of them did it through a dealer anyway.

I really wish the fabric in my chair was only fixable by a certified La-Z-Boy upholsterer. Then we could focus on chairs that were meant to have their upholstery changed out.

Nobody wants to re-upholster their furniture themselves though, and those that need to repair just get an upholsterer to do it. Or if you really wanted to you could do it yourself and nobody would be trying to stop you, unlike apple with jailbreaking.

You are really terrible with analogies, just stop trying, you are embarrassing yourself.

Re:ha ha

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm surprised they didn't take their normal stance of denial, maybe that was only a Jobs trait.

Jobs had to deny reports of design flaws because he was so emotionally invested in the products. Any reports of a design flaw would set off cognitive dissonance against the idea that his own design evaluation time might have missed something crucial.

Tim may be a good executive but he won't invest part of his own soul, his own ego, into any Apple product. It's the same thing that prevents him from telling Jony "fashion means everything; function means nothing" Ives when he's gone too far. It's the same thing that prevented him from telling the iphone 6 team "you have six weeks left before launch date to find a new material that solves this problem" as Steve did before the original iphone launch.

Re:ha ha

[Anonymous Coward]

I seem to remember Microsoft hastily pulling a Windows Patch Tuesday Update recently

But we're talking about Apple. I'm sure Microsoft does a lot of things but they don't stop my iPhone from working.

Re:ha ha

[Anonymous Coward]

99.99999% of people arent interested in replacing the engine in their car anyway,

Just like jailbreaking!

Re:ha ha

[Anonymous Coward]

If the open platforms die, they were worthless to begin with. You want an open platform to succeed? Make one that is better than any of the current closed platforms. Don't whine that closed platforms are getting all the bitches while it's only a few fat nerds using an open platform. It's an open platform! Improve it! Give people what they want!

Open platforms will die out because no one wants to work on the nuts and bolts. Everyone wants to design their flashy UI bullshit. Of all the companies that are taking Android and adding their own spin, how many make actual improvements vs how many make ridiculous UI changes and brand it for their phone? Of all the custom ROMs that are out there (I'm running SlimBean on one of my Android devices and I like it better than the Samsung bullshit that came on my phone), how many of them feature actual improvements and how many feature buggy bullshit because no one bothered to make the code work before slapping their branding on it?

Don't bitch about open platforms. No one gives a fuck about your stupid opinion. Go do something about it. Posting on Slashdot about your ideology does not count as doing something. Work those sausage fingers until you've got greasy sweat dripping from every pour in your disgusting fatbody. No one is going to take you seriously until you do.

Here's a prediction: In 5 years, people like me who are completely platform agnostic will be happier than you. I don't care what platform I use as long as it does what I want, even if it takes a bit of work to jailbreak/root/whatever. I have an iPad (jailbroken) for creative content creation on the go. I have a Galaxy SIII (rooted, about to upgrade to something newer) because it was the absolute best phone at the time. I have a Galaxy Tab for playing and having fun. I have several computers (Windows, OSX, and Mint Linux) running around the house doing everything from recording studio and media center to file shares and day job work. All of my devices can talk to all of my other devices. It's fantastic. If I were stuck on open platforms I'd be screwed. I do not have the know how to make Linux Audio work in a way that I could make my recording studio work. I don't want to add all of the Microsoft Office things that I like to OpenOffice. I don't want to have to reboot EVER on my media center or file share PCs, so there's no way I'd put Windows on those. I don't want to pay thousands of Apple Bucks just to have a computer hooked to my TV, share a bunch of files or run Crystal Reports/MS SQL/. So I use the right tool for the job. If that means I have to delve deeper than an average user in the tool, so be it. However, I don't want to spend my days working hard at work, my evenings working hard learning to program, and my weekends soldering and writing assembly to create a true open platform for myself.

So you and Stallman can go circle jerk each other along with all the other fat neckbeards. Here in the real world we'll be spending our nights having sex and our weekends making music and playing gigs.

Re:ha ha

[Ash-Fox]

If the open platforms die, they were worthless to begin with.

Or maybe the platform couldn't generate the funding necessary to maintain development at the scale closed platforms are doing; eventually exhausting resources playing catch up and dying out. That doesn't make it worthless, it just shows theres an economic issue to contend with.

However, if the closed down platform actually can't provide what people want, which is something open, then this will help generate interest and further development on open platforms.

Make one that is better than any of the current closed platforms.

The comes back to the economic problem in developing things at a high pace.

Here's a prediction: In 5 years, people like me who are completely platform agnostic will be happier than you.

And for some reason you think I'm not? I'm using some proprietary phones right now; I am not however endorsing jail breaking them or using them as open platforms.

how many of them feature actual improvements and how many feature buggy bullshit because no one bothered to make the code work before slapping their branding on it?

I wouldn't know, I barely use Android outside of the stock Xperia Z rom and my cheap Chinese knock off netbook running Android.

I don't care what platform I use as long as it does what I want, even if it takes a bit of work to jailbreak/root/whatever.

I hope one day that DRM works effectively and stops people like you getting 'what you want' from a platform not intended to be open.

If I were stuck on open platforms I'd be screwed.

I didn't endorse using open platforms exclusively.

I don't want to add all of the Microsoft Office things that I like to OpenOffice.

I pay a subscription for Microsoft Office, I use Office 365 on my Linux machines and Microsoft Office (desktop software) on my Windows machines.

So I use the right tool for the job.

Except you aren't, because you're jailbreaking to get access to features that are for an open platform.

Re:ha ha

[Anonymous Coward]

If I pay for a device then it's none of your business whether I jailbreak it, break it outright, wipe my ass with it, load a different OS on it, or use it for target practice. None. That's like telling me I'm not allowed to get tattoos even though I own my own skin or telling me that a screwdriver should only be used on screws and not to pry something open.

However, I now see you have a deeper problem than just being a greasy basement dweller. You're a corporate worshiper. If a corporation says 'this is the way we intend it to work!' then you get down and lick their testicles. No matter how much you hate it, smarter people than you will tinker with what they buy. If that's the hill you want to stand on and die, then so be it. There are many causes that are more worthy of standing up and fighting over but if your idea that corporations that put out a product should be able to tell me exactly how to use that product then good on you. I support you. Hell, when you need a hug because no one gives a flying shit about your cause give me a call. I'll fly to wherever you are and give you that hug.

You didn't speak to how you were going to make open platforms good enough that someone would actually want to use them though. I'm interested in hearing that. Maybe if you went to open platforms it would be enough money for them to overcome their economic issues. By using Microsoft Office you're keeping the open platforms down.

Re:ha ha

[Ash-Fox]

If I pay for a device then it's none of your business whether I jailbreak it, break it outright, wipe my ass with it, load a different OS on it, or use it for target practice. None. That's like telling me I'm not allowed to get tattoos even though I own my own skin or telling me that a screwdriver should only be used on screws and not to pry something open.

I made it my business, what are you going to do about it, buddy?

However, I now see you have a deeper problem than just being a greasy basement dweller. You're a corporate worshiper.

You really spend a lot of time on ad hominem attacks. They don't however make your argument for you.

You didn't speak to how you were going to make open platforms good enough that someone would actually want to use them though. I'm interested in hearing that.

Through shutting out alternatives that only serve as false promises, it will generate more development interests in other platforms. With the maturity of opensource solutions, it is unlikely people will venture for writing a new platform from scratch.

By using Microsoft Office you're keeping the open platforms down.

I'm not opposed to using closed platforms for their intended use. Right tool for the job and all that. You aren't very good at reading people over the Internet.

Re:ha ha

[Anonymous Coward]

I made it my business, what are you going to do about it, buddy?

The same thing I've always done. Do what I want with what I purchased. I believe I made that quite clear.

You really spend a lot of time on ad hominem attacks. They don't however make your argument for you.

Sucking corporate dick doesn't make your argument for you.

Through shutting out alternatives that only serve as false promises, it will generate more development interests in other platforms. With the maturity of opensource solutions, it is unlikely people will venture for writing a new platform from scratch.

No it won't. It will make other closed platforms rise to the top with new vulnerabilities so that those of us who still want to do what we want with a decent tool instead of a half broken piece of crap with a shit GUI are able. You'll never stop it. You'll die yelling "DRM will save us all" in a room all by yourself. Even your animals won't eat you after you're dead because of the sheer amount of grease and stupidity.

I'm not opposed to using closed platforms for their intended use. Right tool for the job and all that.

No, here you're just making excuses. If you truly believe in the value of open platforms you should support them with all you have. None of this half-assed bullshit. It's not an economic problem, it's that they suck. If they didn't suck then you'd use them rather than the closed version. Why can't you just make the platforms better, or pay them so that they can afford to make the platforms better so that they can compete with people who have a good product? Instead of getting off your fat greasy ass and supporting your cause you expect everyone else to change the way they do things so that your cause becomes easy to support.

You aren't very good at reading people over the Internet.

No, I kind of assumed that since you wanted open platforms that you actually supported them rather than expecting everyone else to so that it would be easier for you to jump on the bandwagon. My bad. From now on I'll assume that just because someone pays something lip-service means they're doing the opposite of what they preach.

On a serious note, why is intended use such a big deal to you? Why does it matter to you whether I use an iPad to wipe my ass or use toilet paper to jot down thoughts? Does that affect your life in some way? Neither of those things are intended use. The truth of the matter is that closing the holes that allow jailbreaking/rooting/whatever won't magically make open platforms better. It just means people will stop doing the things that they were jailbreaking/rooting for until someone finds a new way to do it.

So you're free to scream about how I shouldn't use a screwdriver as a pry bar since that isn't an intended use, but I'm just as free to keep on fucking doing it. I know you hate that people have freedom to do what they like with what they purchased, but someday when you've moved out of your parents basement you will find out that the world got along fine before you decided you knew what was best for everyone, and it will go on long after your stupid ideas die.

I bet you'd hate the guitarist community. Tons of people mod their pedals and amplifiers in ways not intended by the manufacturer. None of these are considered open platforms (maybe a few of the older ones? who really gives a shit....) but people are doing hardware hacks all the time. When the things that people want don't come stock, people find a way to get what they want anyway. They'll find the closest thing to what they want and change it. It's their right because they are the owner. The company that made the product has the right to refuse to service or refuse to honor the warranty, but that's a gamble that the OWNER OF THE PRODUCT is taking. Does not affect you in any appreciable way.

Re:ha ha

[Anonymous Coward]

I made it my business, what are you going to do about it, buddy?

You know what? I take back my other post. I'm not going to do a thing. Come stop me. Apple hasn't been smart enough to since the first iPhone was jailbroken. The various phone companies that put out Android phones haven't been able to stop people from rooting them. Maybe you're tough enough to come remove everything in my house that isn't being used for intended purpose (that'll be half my damned house....I'm a tinkerer). Does your fat, greasy, neckbearded ass fit out the door? Then come on down buddy.

If you're in a situation where you're impotent to correct any problems then no amount of 'making it your business' makes a difference. You're just a fat, greasy sack of shit who doesn't have enough of a life to worry about his own shit. Go get laid, my friend! Find a woman, man, donkey, anything that isn't a child and see if it will fuck you. Pay if necessary. Use your dick for its intended purpose: to stick in a live, warm hole and have fun with. If you can find someone who would pity you that much to take your cash, let me know. I'll fly out and pay for it, and even stick around to high five you a few seconds later.

Re:ha ha

[Ash-Fox]

If you truly believe in the value of open platforms you should support them with all you have.

I don't. I think they could be important and I feel that we'd only ever know once it's too late. It will become quite clear if economic factors are resolved behind it, if it's really relevant or not to a platform.

None of this half-assed bullshit. It's not an economic problem, it's that they suck.

I personally dislike practically every platform out there, they all suck in my opinion. That hasn't stopped others becoming more successful despite sucking more.

No, I kind of assumed that since you wanted open platforms that you actually supported them rather than expecting everyone else to so that it would be easier for you to jump on the bandwagon

No, what you assumed was that I was some sort of opensource zealot and that you had me all figured out.

My bad. From now on I'll assume that just because someone pays something lip-service means they're doing the opposite of what they preach.

But I am doing what I preach. I haven't jail broken my iPad, I haven't rooted my Xperia Z, I did root my Nexus S, which offered the functionality to do so without need for exploits etc.

On a serious note, why is intended use such a big deal to you?

It's not so much the intended use, as much as when there has been an explicit design decision against it, policy decisions against it and the why for that is because best case scenarios don't play out then and you end up with horrible cobbled together shit on every side. As well as the eventual inevitability.

The truth of the matter is that closing the holes that allow jailbreaking/rooting/whatever won't magically make open platforms better. It just means people will stop doing the things that they were jailbreaking/rooting for until someone finds a new way to do it.

Alternatively, it means people will focus doing open development on an open platform instead. After all, if you're aware that say the iPhone doesn't do jail braking anymore, and you don't want to get a device you can't do interesting/open development on, you may end up choosing and improving another solution that offers what you're looking for.

Alternatively, nothing happens and that is proof that open systems aren't necessary, wanted or used.

I bet you'd hate the guitarist community. Tons of people mod their pedals and amplifiers in ways not intended by the manufacturer.

Along with ad hominem attacks, you really love using arguments like the fallacy of the single cause, don't you?

Re:ha ha

[Ash-Fox]

You know what? I take back my other post. I'm not going to do a thing. Come stop me.

What the fuck did you just fucking say, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in software development, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Apple, and I have over 300 confirmed patents. I am trained in opensores software and I'm the top programmer in the entire opensores world. You are nothing to me but just another platform target. I will wipe you the fuck out with float precisions the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of hackers across the world and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can disprove your philosophy in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my neckbeard. Not only am I extensively trained in FUD, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the open sorse code and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little âoecleverâ comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.

Re:ha ha

[Ash-Fox]

As a friendly note, had I been you; I would have taken back that ridiculous false attribution argument you used, which children use in pre-school, "it's none of your business" as a retort to anything. If matters as these were genuinely an issue to you, you wouldn't have gone on your tirade of ad hominem attacks (fortunately for me, they're not even the truth) on someone's personal life, since, it would have been 'none of your business'.

I am surprised you did respond to my silly response to that.

Re:ha ha

[david_thornley]

Speaking as a happy iPhone owner...if you want an open platform, get an Android phone (and make sure it isn't locked down first). I personally don't care whether my phone is open or closed, so it doesn't bother me.

Re:ha ha

[Anonymous Coward]

Rather than replying to a couple of different threads, I'm going to do it all here. There's a 10 post AC limit per day here on slashdot and I've already reached it on one of my networks. If I had known that I'd have chosen my words more carefully. I thought I could do this forever, but alas it was not meant to be. Forgive me, I'm kind of new to trolling Slashdot.

I personally dislike practically every platform out there, they all suck in my opinion. That hasn't stopped others becoming more successful despite sucking more.

You know what? This is the smartest thing anyone has ever said, ever. No troll, no joke, no sarcasm. All platforms do suck in their own unique way, which is why I mod and use things for purposes they weren't intended for. The other thing is that they excel at things they were never intended for in some ways. Well, most of them do.

No, what you assumed was that I was some sort of opensource zealot and that you had me all figured out.

Yep. I hope we can still be friends after that. I apologize and you're probably not as greasy as I first imagined. Can you blame me though? This is Slashdot. I assume everyone here is either a shill or a neckbeard.

Alternatively, nothing happens and that is proof that open systems aren't necessary, wanted or used.

Yep. Which is kind of what is happening already. There are some spaces where they are needed/wanted/used. In other spaces, products DESTROY them by orders of magnitude because they're worthless. There's a place for every type of device, but if they can't hack it in that space knowing that people like me exist then they don't belong there.

Along with ad hominem attacks, you really love using arguments like the fallacy of the single cause, don't you?

Of course I do! Most people don't recognize it. It's one of the better ones. The ad hominem misdirects. No one cares whether you're cross between Adonis and Einstein or a fat pizza grease swilling moron who names his bedsores. People who spend their time fighting those attacks tend to ignore the fact that the complex causes in their argument have been reduced to a single ridiculous thing that is easily taken down because they're worried about how their pixels look to the other neckbeards.

What the fuck did you just fucking say.......

10/10, would troll with you again. I like you and think you're pretty sexy. If you're ever in Texas, look me up because I will have sex with you. Know that I am a top, but I give a hell of a reach around. *This offer is only good if you are between the ages of 18 and 40. It does not matter if you're male, female, or something in between.*

As a friendly note, had I been you; I would have taken back that ridiculous false attribution argument you used, which children use in pre-school, "it's none of your business" as a retort to anything. If matters as these were genuinely an issue to you, you wouldn't have gone on your tirade of ad hominem attacks (fortunately for me, they're not even the truth) on someone's personal life, since, it would have been 'none of your business'.

Imagine how shocked I was that you replied to any ridiculous thing I said. You want the truth? The 100%, unadulterated, absolute truth with no trolling/sarcasm/jokes/bile/vitriol? I really think you're kind of awesome for sticking to your principles, but I really don't care what your opinion is in this matter. Holes will always be exploitable, and I'll always have full control over my devices. You won't, and that's alright because that's a decision you made for yourself. In reality it doesn't make you better or worse (and I believe you know this), it just means we have a different opinion and we both act according to our opinion. I don't have to really fight for my side of the argument and can be as obnoxious as I want because, as I said b

Re:ha ha

[Ash-Fox]

Speaking as a happy iPhone owner...if you want an open platform, get an Android phone (and make sure it isn't locked down first). I personally don't care whether my phone is open or closed, so it doesn't bother me.

I completely support you to do that.

Re:ha ha

[Anonymous Coward]

If open alternatives were superior they wouldn't die out.

I'm a PC. And I'm a bricked iPhone who can't call

[JoeyRox]

911 to get an ambulance to help my brother who just had a heart attack.

Higher standard anyone?

[Anonymous Coward]

For all of the marketing, cutting edge, and wealth that is Apple, how do they not know where every 'bit' goes in IOS? Yes, EVERY BIT! Every 1, and every 0. How is this big a a 'screw up', still possible by them?

As a non-professional programmer, sorry, I don't buy the 'this occsaionally happens' line, and this gets passed Q/A. They're APPLE! They're the ones defining the cutting edge for crying out loud! How is this even a remote possibility in the scope of modern programming that this is allowed out the barn doors?

Re:Higher standard anyone?

[Moheeheeko]

Even funnier is that sometimes it takes 6 months for 3rd party products to pass their QA, meanwhile their own software that bricks phones gets shat out in less than a week.

Re:Higher standard anyone?

[_xeno_]

Apparently this only affects iPhone 6/6 Plus phones.

I wonder what the chances are that they just accidentally forgot to include the drivers for the new TouchID sensor and the new cellular radios in those phones? Because that would be a truly hilarious QA mistake.

"What, we were supposed to try this on our flagship phone? Oops."

Re:Higher standard anyone?

[ArcadeMan]

Nobody in QA was able to afford the new models yet.

Re:Higher standard anyone?

[Anonymous Coward]

Nobody in QA was able to afford the new models yet.

Nah, they tested 'em to see if they would all bend and break.

And they all did.

Re:Higher standard anyone?

[ArcadeMan]

Maybe we do need flexible screens after all, because people are idiots.

Re:Higher standard anyone?

[Anonymous Coward]

It sounds to me like the 8.0.1 update for the iPhone 5s got pushed to the 6. The devices are enough alike. The Radios in each generation change though.

Re:Higher standard anyone?

[acoustix]

For all of the marketing, cutting edge...

I stopped reading there. Apple is many things, but cutting edge is not one of them. There is nothing revolutionary about the iPhone 6. Android phones already had the majority of Apple's new features 2 years ago....and so did poor BlackBerry.

ha ha

[Anonymous Coward]

Well I guess this blows the whole "Apple it just works" argument out of the water. The new slogan can be "Apple we will patch that patch soon".

All is lost!

[Virtucon]

The world is in a panic! Apple fucked up, no biggie oh wait all those new iPhones bending and now IOS 8 taking a shit! Yeah it can happen to them too fanboys!

Re:All is lost!

[Noah Haders]

dude, if you have a really long, really thin piece of aluminum and you flex it really hard it might bend. news at 11. what do people expect. it's like blaming apple if the screen cracks when you drop it on concrete or asphalt. hint: don't do that.

I don't know anything about the iOS8 issue. I assume there may have been an effect on 1 or 2 phones, but likely something else was going on. so they pulled it, are checking their ducks, and will release it. nothing to see here.

in the meaintime, I'm left with my iphone 5 because I'm not going to upgrade to one of those novelty large toy phones.

Re:All is lost!

[Ash-Fox]

My Xperia Z screen doesn't crack on concrete or asphalt.

Re:All is lost!

[ganjadude]

I'm not going to upgrade to one of those novelty large toy phones.

Must not be such a novelty or a toy being that everyone is now making them bigger...

Re:All is lost!

[Noah Haders]

I just hope that with the iphone 7 apple makes a regular size one. otherwise I'll be keeping my 5s for a long time. big phones are for teenagers who can't afford an iphone.

Re:All is lost!

[Virtucon]

I understand the metallurgy however I don't think folks laying out $600 plus for a phone were thinking that it would crease so easily. Phones bending like that under normal use, not abuse, isn't something that people were expecting. As for software bugs they happen to everybody, it's nice to see that Apple for once is caught in a face palm moment.

Re:All is lost!

[Noah Haders]

I'm not convinced this is a "you're holding it wrong" moment. I've seen lots of videos online of people trying to bend the phone as hard as they can and getting no give.

Re:All is lost!

[Anonymous Coward]

Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.

Re:All is lost!

[Virtucon]

I don't know, all I've known is what's been written about it. That and the IOS 8 foul ups.

Re:All is lost!

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah it shatters.

Re: All is lost!

[Ash-Fox]

Nope, I just used it to post this comment too.

But Apple...just...works?

[Chas]

Yeah. Not a good day to be in the Apple camp.

The problem with building endless hype?

It puts you in a giant, high-candle spotlight.

That makes this sort of crash and burn stand out even more starkly.

Re:But Apple...just...works?

[Anonymous Coward]

And yet after all that and WIndows and every other thing is still a thousand times worse than this!

Re:But Apple...just...works?

[alen]

think of it as an unofficial soak test like google does with android updates that have bricked phones

Re:But Apple...just...works?

[wile_e8]

But Google doesn't market Android as "It just works"

Re:But Apple...just...works?

[Virtucon]

I've had Android devices for quite awhile, I even have CM11 on a couple and no brick problems. Other bugs to be sure, but no bricks.

Re:But Apple...just...works?

[Anonymous Coward]

But Google doesn't market Android as "It just works"

You really need to get yourself a life...

Re:But Apple...just...works?

[Anonymous Coward]

But Google doesn't market Android as "It just works"

You really need to get yourself a life...

And you need to get your mouth off the apple-shaped knob you've been slobbering on.

Re:But Apple...just...works?

[macs4all]

I've had Android devices for quite awhile, I even have CM11 on a couple and no brick problems. Other bugs to be sure, but no bricks.

And when was the last time you received an OS Update for that Android phone?

Re: But Apple...just...works?

[feranick]

No, their slogan is... "Beta". It's all a matter of expectations...

Ease of Use

[WarJolt]

I am an Android user, but I've always said that iOS wasn't designed for me. I've said it is great a great product if you want a simple to use smartphone that just works. I think this type of failure really makes me think twice about repeating that advice. Apple success has depended on creating clean products with extreme attention to detail. I'm really disappointed.

Re: Ease of Use

[Redbehrend]

There is a difference between a screw up and plain lies lol. They have one of the top jailbreakers working for them and they didn't know? Riiiight

Re:Ease of Use

[geekoid]

I have a nexus, and it's a simple phone that just works, JUST LIKE EVERY PIECE OF ELECTRONICS IS SUPPOSE TO.
What other company wold have that kind of Gall. Samsung Microwave: It just works.

Re:Ease of Use

[Bing Tsher E]

Nexus devices don't have SD slots. Because google finds it harder to sift through your data when it's not on their 'cloud.'

Re:Ease of Use

[rolfwind]

Yeah, um, Apple products have always been plagued with blatant oversights (like the antennas years back). Seems every new generation of iPhone has something wrong with it at the start. A lot of it is extreme attention. The other thing is to never be the first to buy a new product or download a major update.

In case of a phone, let the crowd rush in for a couple months and pick up the one with small hardware revisions in November or January. Same with downloads.

Re:Ease of Use

[Anonymous Coward]

"That just works" unless you want to do something Apple doesn't allow like changing your default browser or keeping more than one tab open without reloading.

Re:Ease of Use

[dave420]

You could claim that, or you could actually find out the real reason and not post things to slashdot which scream "I have no idea what I'm saying, but I hate Google so much I'll gladly make a fool out of myself just to try!".

So iOS 8.0.1 blocks histers from their phones?

[_xeno_]

Wait, so iOS 8.0.1 prevents hipsters from unlocking their phones and from making calls?

And Apple is calling that a bug and pulling the update over that?

This sounds like the best version of iOS Apple has ever created! Why would they want to stop people from upgrading? Get iOS 8.0.1 out to everyone as fast as possible!

These jokes are old, get new material please.

[Anonymous Coward]

1) The "don't hold it that way" joke.

2) The "it's a new feature" joke.

3) The "it just works" joke.

I dislike Apple as much as the next person, but these are lazy jokes that we shouldn't support. I want to see fresh, new material, not the same recycled garbage.

Re:These jokes are old, get new material please.

[enjar]

I want to see fresh, new material, not the same recycled garbage.

I think you will need to look to the Android jokes for that. Apple is a couple of years behind and is playing catch-up. Maybe when the Apple Watch ships, we'll get concurrent updates to the bad humor.

Re:These jokes are old, get new material please.

[SternisheFan]

No reason to get 'bent' out of shape.

(ducks!)

Re:These jokes are old, get new material please.

[sjames]

At Apple we bend over backwards to bring you the thinnest phones?

Re:These jokes are old, get new material please.

[The Grim Reefer]

1) The "don't hold it that way" joke.

2) The "it's a new feature" joke.

3) The "it just works" joke.

I dislike Apple as much as the next person, but these are lazy jokes that we shouldn't support. I want to see fresh, new material, not the same recycled garbage.

Actually I thought the first two words in the title out of context was pretty funny.

Apple yanks...

Re: These jokes are old, get new material please.

[Anonymous Coward]

I agree, new material is needed. Preferably a material that doesn't bend so easily...

Not a bug but a feature!

[dysmal]

Apple got sick of people complaining about data and battery usage so they released this update.

Re:Not a bug but a feature!

[Virtucon]

Need mod points +1 Funny

Shocking.

[technomom]

"Apple never releases anything until it actually works." -- Quote from an Apple fanboy Fanboys.....just a tip, never use the term "Never" or "Always" regarding your favorite toy. That goes for Android, Apple, Windows, Blackberry, whatever. These companies have people working for them. Some good, some great, some really suck at their jobs. They're all just people, not superheroes. Sometimes Apple fucks up. Sometimes Google does. Sometimes Microsoft does. It happens. Get over it. Your phone is just another finicky appliance no matter how shiny the bendable aluminum is.

Re:Shocking.

[ArcadeMan]

To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem. Douglas Adams

Re:Shocking.

[jellomizer]

From my understanding the update is fine. The problem is in installing the update.

I expect the actual cause isn't in the code, but a setting in their method of pushing software. They probably kept the iPhone 6 values secrete, until it was released and they didn't quite setup the update to automatically handle the 6s yet.

I bet in a few days we will get a working fix.

Re:Shocking.

[sjames]

From my understanding the update is fine. The problem is in installing the update.

As long as you don't install the update everything is fine? :-)

Re:Shocking.

[tlhIngan]

From my understanding the update is fine. The problem is in installing the update.

I expect the actual cause isn't in the code, but a setting in their method of pushing software. They probably kept the iPhone 6 values secrete, until it was released and they didn't quite setup the update to automatically handle the 6s yet.

I bet in a few days we will get a working fix.

No, apparently the OTA update is broken (the update that is just a delta and can be downloaded to the device to update it. The OTA update is basically just a huge patch containing just the files that changed. Almost always it means Apple missed a file.

The iTunes update is fine because iTunes basically erases the entire partition and puts down a fresh copy of everything. It's why iTunes has to download a 1GB file to update, when your phone just gets a tiny update.

(if you want to really clean it, you do a factory restore which erases everything and then puts on a fresh copy of the OS and reformats the user partition, then you restore it from backup).

Re:Shocking.

[Anubis IV]

So, not only have you assembled a straw man to tear apart, you also fabricated a straw person to attack in the first place.

Companies are fallible. We get it. We agree. There's no need to create a fictional quote from a fictional person to make your point.

Re:Shocking.

[Anonymous Coward]

Gee thanks, mom! Can you make us some cookies now and tell us how we'll appreciate you once we have kids of our own?

Meet Apple, the new Microsoft

[ArcadeMan]

Meanwhile, Microsoft 2014 is becoming Apple 2004.

Time to switch to Nintendo OS, I guess.

Re:Meet Apple, the new Microsoft

[RogueyWon]

Nintendo OS?

I hope you're looking forward to only being able to post to slashdot using a sequence of happy-face emoticons.

Sad-face emoticons might upset people, so those are banned.

And words? Words?!?! Won't somebody think of the children?

Steve Jobs

[Anonymous Coward]

This is how apple with out Steve Jobs looks.

Re:Steve Jobs

[bobbied]

As sad as it sounds, I think you are right. Steve was apparently an SOB to work for, making demands and taking no excuses for failure, but that's what it takes to stay on top with technology. I'm thinking that they are falling into the corporate "manage to quarter" mindset. They are just running in the same well worn rut now and will follow Steve into the grave...

Question is who will replace them.

Oops

[jovius]

Pulled back after the release? Time to head for the pharmacy.

The Biggest Thing to Happen to the iPhone

[Anonymous Coward]

Maybe Apple needs to resurrect their iPhone 5 slogan and amend it to reflect past struggles? Antenna gate with the 4? Apple Maps?

"The Buggiest Thing to Happen to the iPhone since the iPhone."

itunes fix

[SternisheFan]

How to Downgrade From Apple's Fatally Flawed iOS 8.0.1 Back to iOS

://mashable.com/2014/09/24/how-to-downgrade-ios-8-0-1/

Direct link if you want to try to fix an iPhone 6 through iTunes. http://appldnld.apple.com/iOS8...

Here is for the 6+ http://appldnld.apple.com/iOS8...

Re:itunes fix

[SternisheFan]

http://mashable.com/2014/09/24...

http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/ap...

Laugh

[koan]

They make the hardware, they write the software, and they still can't get it right.

Re:Laugh

[Virtucon]

Walled garden has weeds!

Re:Laugh

[Nyder]

Walled garden has weeds!

Which is legal in CO & WA

The Song

[Anonymous Coward]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Ended up with an s5

[Anonymous Coward]

I actually had to call to be told it was my computer which is a Mac or my internet connection which wuss pretty good. Update said 52 hours really it made my phone go into restore mode. This was more than a mistake. But thanks cause now I've got a better phone that already has all those new feature iOS update is giving out this is the beginning of the end for Apple. They even cancelled my call Back just not to have to deal with my issue they get a big f I feel bad for who ever else is going thru it with them they don't have any answers.

Apple's QA vs. Android's QA

[funkymonkjay]

I am wondering how a company that has all the money and talent can't catch a bug like this. Their test surface is laughably small compared to what Android or Windows has to support. What is going on there? What process are they using?

Re:Apple's QA vs. Android's QA

[ZorinLynx]

I suspect they derped the packaging of the release. Its behavior highly suggests missing files or wrong versions.

It's still inexcusable though. Updates should be pushed to a few dozen people inside the company to test the possibility of showstoppers like this one.

Re:Apple's QA vs. Android's QA

[jc42]

I am wondering how a company that has all the money and talent can't catch a bug like this. Their test surface is laughably small compared to what Android or Windows has to support. What is going on there? What process are they using?

It's a well-known software phenomenon: The time it takes to build and debug a program is proportional to the number of people involved. Some argue that it's closer to the square of the number of people (due to the number of interactions in the graph connecting the portions written by different programmers). If you want a bug-free app developed quickly, give it to one person, and make sure that one person understands the problem well.

Actually, a more fun analysis says that the time is really just a function of the (square of the) number of managers managing the development team. But that might be taking cynicism a bit too seriously.

Re:Apple's QA vs. Android's QA

[Therad]

I suspect their company culture is fucked up, atleast on the engineering side. Not only have they done this kind of failure before (i.e antenna problems), they also seem to have a real problem making new innovations. Most of their new innovations comes from companies they bought (i.e siri), not from the inside.

Get'r'done

[Anonymous Coward]

is their new attitude. It's about getting ahead of the competition and getting all the money quickly. It's a sure sign that things will get worse from here. You are now paying the good old Apple Double-Premium price for regular hardware.

Also, iTunes v11.4 broke stuff.

[antdude]

USB issues: http://www.google.com/search?q...

I saw this in my VMware Fusion Pro v7 images after updating them recently. :O

Apple's QA is really bad these days. Companies really need to do better with their QA!

John Gruber's take

[Trashcan Romeo]

"Embarrassing." Meaning this was too egregious a fuck-up for even him to rationalize.

Steve Jobs?

[CrashNBrn]

Steve Jobs. It's all his fault for not running the company anymore. They should'a animated his corpse or something.

What the fuck is up with this time-post-limiter. I'm logged in for christ's-sake and it's two different articles.

Not Good

[Anonymous Coward]

This is what we get when the Senior Vice President of Design is a photoshop virtual furniture designer .. Jonny Ive.

sad

Market opportunity

[MillionthMonkey]

I may actually buy an iphone... if it can run an app that immediately sells my AAPL shares whenever the phone installs an update.

Re:Market opportunity

[turp182]

That would be an awesome app.

Behaviour

[hduff]

Apple behaves more like Microsoft every day.

just wait a year

[issicus]

i'm sure iOS 9 and iphone 7 will be better.

Re:just wait a year

[Anonymous Coward]

I am waiting a year. Then rather than put up with constant nagging every time I plug into iTunes to upgrade my iPhone 5 to iOS 9 (which will render it slow and near useless), I'm going to actually get a damn Windows Phone.

I liked the way iOS 6 and previous versions looked. I only upgraded to iOS 7 because my carrier made a change to their settings and if I didn't upgrade I didn't get the settings and my phone wouldn't work as a phone anymore. I don't like it, but I've learned to put up with it.

Now moving to iOS 8 deleted random album artwork throughout my music files. I wish I could just get rid of album artwork because I don't fucking care, but iOS will force display of *something*, and I'd rather fucking look at the artwork than whatever they replace a 'blank' album with this week. If you're going to force album art to be everywhere, make it work damn it. Also, on TV shows on my phone (I watch during lunch at work), instead of stopping at the end of an episode, it automatically goes to the next episode -- precisely the *opposite* behavior it had before. So now with this version they piss off most of the people they didn't piss off with the last version.

Fuck it, I'm out. As long as the damn iPhone5 hardware works, I'll use it, but only to use it up. Then I'm getting a Windows Phone, where I know I'll get fucked over right from the beginning -- just like on the damn Android phone I used to have, which was more concerned with tracking me and selling me to advertisers than working as a goddamn phone.

Then when the Windows Phone pisses me off so bad I can't stand to look at *it* anymore, I'll buy a damn feature phone and be done with it all.

My experience with IOS 8 on 5C

[Anonymous Coward]

So far I have had a few apps that seem to crash a lot. One in particular I use for business does not work correctly. I enter in information and it never accepts it.
Otherwise battery life on par with IOS 7, crashing typical of fist installment its like a beta of the final. Really need a couple updates to polish it up. Personally I think Apple sets too many dates in stone and then the people who actually have to push out these updates play crunch time days before launch. The crapper in all of this is not having a easy way to downgrade if things really go to shit.

IvePhone a Distaster

[Anonymous Coward]

For Apple the iPhone is EVERYTHING in terms of Market and Money.

The IvePhone i.e. Jony Ive Senior Vice President for Design iPhone is a disaster !

Cook has to jettison Ive quick and get someone, anyone who understands UNIX and material design.

The IvePhone is what you get when you make a photoshop virtual furniture and clothes artist a Vice President of a REAL product.

Cook has a simple decision to make:

Push Ive out a window, preferably 10 stories above pavement

or

Watch Apple Inc. re-become the Apple of the early 1990's.

Hay. Is Ive's life worth 50 billion dollars US?

NO!

Re:IvePhone a Distaster

[Ron Goodman]

It's such a disaster they sold 10 million the first weekend? Right. I won't be worrying about Apple for a while yet.

Apple & QA talent

[Treskin]

I work in the SQA field in SV and have heard stories over recent years of the devolving state of various QA groups within Apple. Our company has had a few people leave to Apple over the years, recently to return to our company after experiencing a QA culture with serious and worsening issues.

One of our best QA engineers had a job interview scheduled at Apple a few weeks ago; by his own admission, and I believe him fully, only to do a bit of spying, and keep his interview skills up to date on the other side of the table. The hiring manager called him the day before the interview to tell him the position had been filled. Co-worker called up the internal recruiter he had been working with to find out what had happened. Apparently after interviewing only one person, a friend of the hiring manager, they hiring manager had found a perfect fit and didn't feel more interviews were necessary. I have a feeling their halls are being filled with that high a level of cronyism. Not to say there isn't plenty of who-you-know in the industry in terms of getting interviews, but typically you still have to compete with others to get the job.

From my own experience with Apple's recruiters, back when it was a more prestigious company to work for in the area, I found myself tossed by the wayside even though enormously qualified. In one exchange, I went through a phone screen and it was obvious my previous experience perfectly mirrored the project for which they were staffing. It's not the type of project that's extremely easy to find people with previous experience in. One of the last questions they asked was my experience with OSX, which was unrelated to the tech in the product. I said I'd only used OSX in an incidental capacity (though plenty of *NIX experience), to which they replied they only hire OSX experts and wished me good luck. I was floored. As if they thought I would be unable to quickly learn the workings of a new, but derivative OS.

Shaka, when the walls fell

[ThatsNotPudding]

Or at least, cracks (and bends) are starting to appear...

What's in *your* wallet (pocket)?

[Anonymous Coward]

The YouTube poster from Australia, the first source of "Bendgate" noted he kept phone in his pocket for four hours while driving to a wedding; was in his pocket while sat through the ceremony and dancing/mingling during the reception; then in his pocket during the drive pack. So figure a large, slim, phone was under stress for ten hours (and assuming his errection was no more than four hours). Not surprising.

Note large, slim, stress, ten hours. No wait! That's my imaginary sex life.

ubc

WAVE

[Anonymous Coward]

Guess the WAVE feature must have been broken...

Ipad

[Anonymous Coward]

Thanks a lot Apple fuck heads I can't even use my aps that I paid for. My iPhone is useless.