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Tor Executive Director Hints At Firefox Integration
blottsie writes: Several major tech firms are in talks with Tor to include the software in products that can potentially reach over 500 million Internet users around the world. One particular firm wants to include Tor as a "private browsing mode" in a mainstream Web browser, allowing users to easily toggle connectivity to the Tor anonymity network on and off. "They very much like Tor Browser and would like to ship it to their customer base," Tor executive director Andrew Lewman wrote, explaining the discussions but declining to name the specific company. "Their product is 10-20 percent of the global market, this is of roughly 2.8 billion global Internet users." The product that best fits Lewman's description, by our estimation, is Mozilla Firefox, the third-most popular Web browser online today and home to, you guessed it, 10 to 20 percent of global Internet users.
I wonder at what times Firefox would act as a Tor node? Only while private browsing is enabled, a private window is open, at all times, or never (if that is possible, it's been a while)? I figure that it won't be an exit node by default, but it would still be unfortunate if unsuspecting users suddenly saw their data usage increase.
Private from exactly whom though.
People use "private browsing" mode mainly for porn (when Firefox first launched the feature, it was nicknamed "porn mode"). The most popular porn sites require Javascript. Tor is ineffective if Javascript is enabled. This doesn't look like a good match.
So, the very thing which could protect users privacy by default, on a massive sacle, almost so transparently as to be irrelevent. Possibly the biggest privacy breakthrough in the history of the internet, and your first thought is concern at increased data throughput?
No wonder privacy is in such a bad state!
They need to also integrate a torrent program and possibly some sort of blackjack simulation environment. I won't be happy until about 80% of my computer's functionality is integrated into my browser.
Firefox has been well over 20% for years.
IE dropped below 20 percent two years ago.
Of course, you can pick different stats to prove pretty much anything when it comes to the web.
Using W3 counter it could be IE, it could be Safari, it could be Firefox.
But recently both Google and Apple have thrown down the gauntlet with respect to requests by the DoJ. Microsoft could very well be taking a different tack; having your browsing routed through TOR makes it harder to know the contents - until you upload it to "the Cloud" and it sits on the servers unencrypted.
Unleash the "Microsoft is in bed with the NSA" hounds.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Just like I would want to stop someone from peeping through my window all the time unless I wanted them to.
Do you want strangers peeping at all your private communications? Cos If you do, I'll be ready and waiting to take you personal details so I can use your details to apply for a loan.
Like holes in the head, it does not need another.
Doesn't matter what it is, it's only secure if not enough resources are thrown at it. Tor will become a much bigger and juicer target of it becomes a widespread standard.
what if its only "illegal" because its legitimate dissent in a country where such dissent in banned?
I'd love to see more people using Tor, but the experience has to change a lot before we can do that.
Being anonymous and secure on Tor is not easy. It's a major inconvenience to disabling browser features like Javascript, and it requires firm behavioral changes from the user.
Putting a mainstream user into the same environment is simply not going to work.
You already contribute financially to illegal activities. You do business with a business which is used by criminals, saving the criminals money due to economies of scale for said business -- examples: internet, phone, mail, transportation. If you think it is acceptable to do this because it has a lot of legitimate users, what makes it different for Tor? Lots of people value their privacy, especially now that the NSA is unconstitutionally searching all your unencrypted communication. If locks are to keep honest people honest, encryption is to keep dishonest government slightly more honest.
Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
I do not want Tor "integrated" in Firefox. Nor should ANYONE. This is why they make addons and extensions. I am getting tired of them adding more and more to Firefox. The whole POINT of Firefox was to be lean and fast and shed all the "integrated" extras of previous browsers. We don't need it to continue bloating up, taking more space, getting more complicated, and using more resources.
1) Stop adding stuff that can be in an addon instead.
2) Stop trying to turn Firefox into Chrome.
3) Stop removing user settings to allow users to control what they want (like placement of tabs and such).
4) Remove firebug/debugger, whatever you call it and put it in an addon where it belongs.
I doubt it's Firefox. The stats I've seen put Firefox under 10% now. It's just barely staying relevant.
As a user of Tor, you don't forward anyone else's traffic unless you want to. In fact it's a major pain in the ass to set yourself up as a forwarding proxy, so you won't do it by accident. Pretty sure this is just going to be Tor Browser Bundle included in the normal Firefox distribution instead of being something you have to seek out separately.
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This is no good if your computer is already compromise, which is why you want to use Tails. My guess is the NSA would respond to this by putting malware on every computer on the planet (if they haven't done so already)
So, even using the 20% figure, 2.8 billion * 5 = 14 billion internet users?
Stop breeding, people!
Tor CEO just wants free sexual intercourse without payment to the Ho.
Dat All.
Ho Ho Ho.
Why would Tor want to work with a browser whose market share is in decline?
Using Tor is just half the equation here - people should be made aware that the moment they connect to their FB or GMail accounts, their privacy is destroyed, Tor or no Tor. I propose a proxy that would clean up all outgoing communications of private data such as emails and names. That, coupled with Tor, would mean privacy.
You already contribute financially to illegal activities.
Even if I told the IRS guys I don't want to finance criminals they would just take my/their money by force.
slashdo blocks Tor nodes and not just one - wtf!
I agree, 10% to 20% can't be Firefox. The stats I've seen put Firefox over 20% now.
Agree with you.
1) No need for Tor in Firefox. In fact you SHOULD use different browsers for Tor and clear web.
2) Whats the point in copying tab shapes? Now you cannot distinguish one browser from the other.
3) Removal of status bar broke various plugins like Policy Request and Proxy, which were used by normal users.
4) The debugger is useless for a common user.
I doubt that you using the internet, phone, mail or buying a car, is forced on you by the IRS. Yet all those actions help criminals pay less, so why do you do it?
But Firefox decided they could do it better and added their ripoff version of Firebug directly to Firefox while nobody with any serious debugging intentions is considering using it.
So what? Who am I, Don Quixote? Since when it is expected from ordinary citizens to aid and abet dissent in other countries? That's what the UN is for and, let's face it, if international pressure doesn't do the trick nothing will. Stop pretending you're some freedom fighters because you have a computer and grow up.
Many government agencies and businesses have Firefox installed as a primary or as a secondary browser available for use (in addition to IE of course).
They also have policies against the use of proxies, p2p, etc.
If TOR is included within Firefox and they don't give administrators a way to keep people from using it on the job you can bet they will jettison Firefox as an option for their users.
You're mistaken, then. You must actually be thinking of Chrome, Internet Explorer or Safari. They're the only browsers above 10%.
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You already contribute financially to illegal activities.
Even if I told the IRS guys I don't want to finance criminals they would just take my/their money by force.
You guys are hard to follow.
But imo, you contribute to illegal activities (and they contribute to you) when you put your money overseas in fiscal paradises. That's a stronger example than just using the internet or walking down the street (because criminals use the pavement?).
If you take measures to avoid the IRS you're probably financing criminals! (and financing criminals when paying your taxes.. probably, but less so in $milllion/$billion amounts)
TOR is only a SOCKS transport service. You can run ANY SOCKS-ified application over TOR. And you ? Whom are you shilling for ?
It is a shame I did not save at least one mod point. Your comment needs it.
I fought long and hard to get Firefox installed on government computers and integrating TOR at the source code level would get Firefox yanked faster than you can say FISMA. I swear to god someone in Mozilla is actively trying to destroy Firefox. There is no other reasonable explanation for what is going on.
"Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
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P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"
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Can adblock do 15 things hosts files can for added speed, security, reliability, & more:
1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers (beyond malicious adbanners - see 2 thru 6 below next)
2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
9.) Keep you off dns request logs
10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
13.) Block out trackers
14.) Block spam mails sources
15.) Block phishing mails sources
"?"
* Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.
APK
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So, *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?
That'd be illogical - I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink!
... apk
W. Palant wrote me by email 1st saying "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:
"Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"
Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency AdBlock's proven by research to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & adblock does FAR less than hosts (especially crippled by default).
I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!
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I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock - Funny part is, Wladimir Palant running does too!
Especially considering "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" has 'souled-out' -> Google And Others Reportedly Pay Adblock Plus To Show You Ads Anyway: http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
APK
P.S.=> Bottom-Line: Hosts = a superior solution that also fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also)... apk
My FREE hosts program adds speed, security, reliability, & more, by doing more, more efficiently vs. addons + fixes DNS' issues:
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:
http://start64.com/index.php?o...
---
A.) Hosts do more than:
1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... )
2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...
3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome site redirects e.g. /. beta).
C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less "moving parts" complexity
D.) Hosts files yield more:
1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs DGA, & Fastflux + dynDNS botnets)
4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).
---
* Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).
* Addons = more complex + slow browsers in messagepassing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray's destroying Adblock.
* Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption + excessive cpu use too (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)
Instead, work w/ a native kernelmode part - hosts (An integrated part of the ip stack)
APK
P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"
...apk
Can adblock do 15 things hosts files can for added speed, security, reliability, & more:
1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers (beyond malicious adbanners - see 2 thru 6 below next)
2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
9.) Keep you off dns request logs
10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
13.) Block out trackers
14.) Block spam mails sources
15.) Block phishing mails sources
"?"
* Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.
APK
P.S.=> Of course, ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above as far as "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) is concerned -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/...
So, *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?
That'd be illogical - I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink!
... apk
W. Palant wrote me by email 1st saying "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:
"Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"
Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency AdBlock's proven by research to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & adblock does FAR less than hosts (especially crippled by default).
I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!
Result = Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later - that tell you anything? It did me!
He knows his addon is less efficient & features laden by FAR vs. hosts - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit!
ClarityRay's also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (it can't DO THAT to hosts files).
I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock - Funny part is, Wladimir Palant running does too!
Especially considering "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" has 'souled-out' -> Google And Others Reportedly Pay Adblock Plus To Show You Ads Anyway: http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
APK
P.S.=> Bottom-Line: Hosts = a superior solution that also fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also)... apk
Sorry to disappoint you then. I'm no pedophile and I don't rape children you sick fuck!
APK
P.S.=> How LOW can you go, For Pete's sake... apk