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Senators Threaten To Rescind NFL Antitrust Exemption

An anonymous reader writes In response to the FCC's discontinuation of rules that support the NFL's blackout policies, the NFL issued a statement indicating that it would nevertheless continue to enforce its blackout policies through its private contract negotiations with local networks. On Wednesday, however, Senators John McCain (R-AZ) and Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) announced a bill that would rescind the antitrust exemption that enables the NFL to demand blackouts in the first place and formally warned the NFL to abandon blackouts altogether. The antitrust exemption gives sports leagues "legal permission to conduct television-broadcast negotiations in a way that otherwise would have been price collusion" and further allowed the formation of the NFL from two separate leagues. Meanwhile, the NFL enjoys a specialized tax status and direct monetary support from taxpayers to build arenas and stadiums.

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  1. that's racist! by turkeydance · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    how about a Redskin-out?

    1. Re:that's racist! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Not to mention that if I wanted to read this crap, I'd go to a fuckin sports site. WTF does a profit machine built on a slow and boring rugby-like costume dance has to do with "news for nerds" anyways?

    2. Re:that's racist! by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      Im all for taking away the NFL exemptions for blackout. But There is no reason whatsoever to try and force the NFL or the washington redskins to change the team name. It really is pathetic that people out there are making such a big deal about it. If you find it offensive, that is your right. but you dont have a right to NOT be offended by something. Your best bet is to A- not buy any of their stuff and B - root for the other team.

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    3. Re:that's racist! by Vellmont · · Score: 1

      It really is pathetic that people out there are making such a big deal about it.

      Umm.. People are making a big deal of it because in 2014 we still have a football team named after a racial epithet. The only reason people DON'T make a big deal of it is that it's faded into the background of the society for so long that people ignore it. But redskin is still a racial epithet.

      You're right people don't have a right to be not offended. Rooting for "the other team" would be conter-productive as it obviously still supports the bottom line and contributes to NFL rivalry, which is how they make money. Obviously that doesn't effect the bottom line of the team. Your best bet would be to pressure goverment to end the monopoly status for the NFL, end funding of stadiums for the NFL, and tax the living shit out of them. I'd vote for all of that.

      The NFL has the right to call their teams whatever they want. They could start up a new team called the Texas Niggers, or the New York Kike's, and there's nothing anyone could legally stop them with. That doesn't mean however that the NFL deserves special treatment.

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    4. Re:that's racist! by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      taking their trademark away is not "special treatment" its political targeting. Threatening to take away their non profit status or threatening to do X. If PEOPLE want to boycott, i support that. If people want to force the GOVERNMENT to take action. Thats where I have a problem.

      I am of native descent. I do not find the name offensive in the slightest. There are over 1000 teams named after natives, in the hs - college- majors. the name is not offensive (I would argue chief wahoo from the cleveland indians as a mascot is a little offensive however)

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    5. Re:that's racist! by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Threatening to take away their non profit status or threatening to do X.

      Cry me a river. This is exactly the same sort of nonsense that right wing christofascist pastors engage in when they complain that they can't tell people who to vote for from the pulpit. Go ahead and do it, Sparky, just start filing your taxes.

      I am of native descent.

      Doubt it. If you are, it's as embarrassing as a privileged person of african descent saying that Jim Crow was no big deal.

    6. Re:that's racist! by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      There are over 1000 teams named after natives, in the hs - college- majors.

      The vast majority of those names are descriptive though, not offensive. For example, Seminoles - (anglicized) name of a tribe; Blackhwaks - name of a chief; Indians, Braves, Chiefs - just describing an entire group or class (although "Indian" is a pretty stupid way to refer to them). A lot of high school or college teams use the names of tribes from the area (Chippewas, Choctaws, Apaches, Cherokees, Mohawks, etc). I don't think any of those are offensive. "Redskins" is completely different. If you think that term is not offensive, walk into a meeting of the National Congress of Native Americans and say "hey, how are you all you redskins doing today?" See how they react. It doesn't really matter if *you* find the name offensive or not. I wouldn't be offended if someone called me a redskin either, I would just sort of look at them kind of funny. It's clearly offensive to a large group of people, and they should change the name. Most colleges and high schools I think are fine using tribal names for their schools.

      Although, maybe the Agawam High School Brownies might consider a name change. And the Aniak High School Halfbreeds might think about it also.

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    7. Re:that's racist! by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      I am of native descent. I do not find the name offensive in the slightest.

      That's fine. There are some black people who call each other "nigger" too, but they'd certainly be up in arms if a white guy renamed his team the Philadelphia Niggers.

      Also, I love the comment someone left on the Washington Redskins page on the brilliant "Why your team sucks" blog.

      Alton wrote:
      Did you know that the DC metro area, especially the garbage heaps known as Prince George's County, MD and Prince William County, VA, is home to the highest concentration of people with Native American heritage in the country!? It's true! Just listen to 106.7 The Fan any afternoon to hear their proud proclamations of "HEY WHADDUP LEVAR YOU THE MAN I JUS WANNA SAY I'M 1/32 CHEROKEE OR CHOCTAW OR SOMETHIN AND I AINT OFFENDED BY THAT NAME! IT'S JUST ALL ABOUT PRIDE, MAN, AND IF YOU CAN'T SEE THAT, THEN, UH...YOU'RE THE RACIST."

      It's like the fanbase is 90% Fake Chiefs. The other 10% are dead-ender white military contractor and lawyer jackasses like the asshole that started a Redskins Pride Caucus in the Virginia legislature (during the middle of intense debate over MEDICAID they did this!).

    8. Re:that's racist! by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      can you reform your statement in english? when you try and put 10 different derogatory words into a single word it doesnt really work to well

      also the irony of being upset with them for being insulting...while at the same time insulting me and about 1/2 the country

      I will go cry a river, because its sad how stupid so many people in my country are at times.

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    9. Re:that's racist! by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      can you reform your statement in english?

      Can you not be willfully obtuse? Point was perfectly clear the first time: go ahead and be an asshole organization, just don't expect the rest of society to keep giving you special status a la tax-exemption.

      also the irony

      Get a dictionary.

      while at the same time insulting me and about 1/2 the country

      Can you not be willfully stupid? If racial smears were being used to attack other racial smears, you might have a point. But they weren't, so you don't.

    10. Re: that's racist! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Philadelphia Niggers would be offensive but Philadelphia Darkskins would be OK because its descriptive. Love to see them play against the San Francisco Chinks.

    11. Re:that's racist! by Vellmont · · Score: 1

      If people want to force the GOVERNMENT to take action. Thats where I have a problem.
      Well that's where we disagree. The NFL gets special status for political reasons. Voters like them some football. So what's wrong with the opposite? I hate me some football, and I find redskins offensive. It's already a polical fight, and has been forever. We pay for their goddamn stadiums, so they opened the door to government intervention in their business. Since they've acted like asses for.. well forever with regard to the Redskins, and people are finally calling them on it, why shouldn't they take some political heat for it?

      So if the NFL would like to pay back the various states and municipalities for all the stadiums that we've paid for for the last 50+ years, I'd be happy to let them do whatever they want. But since they've got in bed with the state, they're open to getting attacked by politics.

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    12. Re:that's racist! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, why do you, like, hate niggers, man?

    13. Re:that's racist! by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      the "nfl"" has no reason to "pay back" anything for stadium construction. Thats something to take up with the individual teams. Not all team lobby for tax breaks or assistance in stadium construction. your issue is with the teams, not the "nfl"

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    14. Re:that's racist! by Vellmont · · Score: 1

      You've mistaken a franchise for the business. The NFL is the real business, the franchises are just individual owners. You think the NFL doesn't operate like a single business? Of course they do. They have contract negotiation, It's even far more integrated as a single business than a Mcdonalds. The NFL requires mutiple teams to even exist. You don't need multiple mcdonalds restaurants to operate. It's the NFL that would pressure the Redskins to change their name.

      Oh, and BTW The Redskins play in RFK Stadium, a stadium constructed with Federal dollars. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R...

      Check and mate.

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  2. Live by the sword, die by the sword by JoeyRox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The NFL obviously paid off some group of politicians to achieve their non-profit status. Now a new set of politicians have their hand out for another sweaty envelope filled with cash.

    1. Re: Live by the sword, die by the sword by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or they already got paid off by the cable companies. Blackouts hurt football fans, true: but they also hurt cable companies.

      What, you didn't think the FCC changed the rules to benefit lowly citizens, did you?!

    2. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Funny

      The League of Extraordinary Lobbyists?

    3. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Why would the envelope be sweaty?

    4. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by mythosaz · · Score: 4, Informative

      Only the league office is nonprofit. The teams are not. It's not particularly nefarious.

    5. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by amiga3D · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When you piss off Congress to the point that they ignore their usual Leftie vs RIghtie tift and decide to work together.....you're fucked.

    6. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 2, Funny

      Because its been stuffed down someones pants. Its a commonly known fact that all bribe money has been grundled.

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    7. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by rmdingler · · Score: 1
      Presumably because the bribe-laden lobbyists and bribe-accepting politicians would be sweating nervously, since they were breaking the law.

      This theory does not account for the presence of sociopaths in the equation.

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    8. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by rmdingler · · Score: 5, Informative
      Is there another nonprofit that pays its CEO in excess of $40 million U.S.?

      NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell would be a fool to step down.

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    9. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because its heavy, and those out of shape lobbyists (too many fancy dinner parties) get all worked up having to drag it around

    10. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by mythosaz · · Score: 2

      His salary is pretty awesome. I'm not sure what the nations top arbitration lawyers get paid - because that's essentially his job. There's a good chance some of them make 7 or even 8 digits.

    11. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by Noah+Haders · · Score: 2

      ass pennies!

    12. Re: Live by the sword, die by the sword by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      Blackouts only apply to local broadcast TV. Cable stations like ESPN or the NFL Network or Redzone were never affected by blackouts.

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    13. Re: Live by the sword, die by the sword by mysidia · · Score: 4, Informative

      I hate to disappoint you, but the FCC note says otherwise

      The Federal Communications Commission repealed its sports blackout rules, which prohibited cable and satellite operators from airing any sports event that was blacked out on a local broadcast station. ....

      Elimination of this rule, however, may not end all sports blackouts: sports leagues may choose to continue their private blackout policies through contractual arrangements with programming distributors. ... ...

    14. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by mysidia · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Something tells me this Sports Blackout rule change thing is rather sudden and a distraction related to an upcoming election day.....

      Yes, I agree blackouts suck, but at the end of the day NFL/etc have the right to control distribution of their content.

      There are REAL issues our legislators need to address, such as getting rid of software patents, lowering taxes, and cutting spending, that would make me happy.

    15. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, I agree blackouts suck, but at the end of the day NFL/etc have the right to control distribution of their content.

      Right now they do, and thats being called into question.

      There are REAL issues our legislators need to address, such as getting rid of software patents, lowering taxes, and cutting spending, that would make me happy.

      LAWL! I agree, but realistically NFL blackouts will be litigated away before any of that other stuff happens.

    16. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by Stan92057 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, I agree blackouts suck, but at the end of the day NFL/etc have the right to control distribution of their content.

      That would be true if they didn't except taxpayer money/tax exemptions/tax breaks but they do and that money comes conditions. I say F the NFL,MBL,NHL owners save up your own dam money and build your own dam stadiums without having to cut school budgets and many other social needs.

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    17. Re: Live by the sword, die by the sword by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This was about keeping cable operators from, for instance, giving Jacksonville fans the Tampa Bay local station so those fans can see the Jacksonville game despite the Jacksonville-area blackout.

    18. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by discovercomics · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually Blackouts are great. When the Jaguars are blacked out I get to see some real football.

    19. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Enforcing antitrust law is immensely more important than literally anything you just listed.
      The existence of a particular kind of loathesome IP is less important than keeping monolithic companies from building IP war chests.
      Lowering taxes by 10% is far less important than keeping companies from being able to raise them unilaterally by 100%.

    20. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      This theory does not account for the presence of sociopaths in the equation.

      Then who does it assume is receiving the envelope?

    21. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by jimbolauski · · Score: 2

      They do have a right to negotiate how their content is distributed but they are a monopoly and that gives them an unfair advantage to negotiate those terms. Removing the antitrust exemption will allow the government to go after the NFL for these practices, as well as many other practices, rookie pay scale, salary caps, merchandizing, franchising, stadium deals... The NFL is allowed to get away with a lot of things because of this protection. It's all just election cycle dick waving but the NFL should be wary about this gaining traction, if that happens the senators will be forced to use their dicks on the NFL.

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    22. Re: Live by the sword, die by the sword by peragrin · · Score: 1

      You are both right.

      ESPN and red zone are expect from blackouts. NBC and CBS are not as cable channels as well as over the air.

      So on cable a game can be be blacked out on CBS and over the air but showing on ESPN or red zone.

      The NFL did this on purpose to help sell ESPN bundles.

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    23. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And he does pay taxes on his salary. If the teams paid Goodell less money, the teams would be paying the same (or lesser) taxes on that reduced salary.

      I'm against the NFL having antitrust exemption, and am against the teams having the stadiums being paid by the taxpayers. But the NFL's non-profit status is a bogus issue.

    24. Re: Live by the sword, die by the sword by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Bullshit! The game will not be on ESPN for that local market where the blackout occurs. Get your facts straight.

    25. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      For an industry that makes 12 Billion it is and the other sports leagues gave it up. So FU.

    26. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hello ass hat who doesn't understand that football games are subsidized by tax payer money. The argument is that airing a game that does not sell out ticket sales cuts into their profits. The irony is the NFL makes most of it's money through TV contracts making that argument bogus - which is what the FCC found.

    27. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nope ... decades ago the NFL gave up the right to be the only ones who control the distribution of their content because they required aid from the government. They agreed that the distribution of their content was no longer entirely under their control if they were to be granted exemptions that would allo them to survive and grow. They grew into a masive money making industry and now the government is saying now it's time to remove the blackout rules because you no longer need them to thrive as an industry.

      Oh and while I do agree that there are more important issues for legislators to address, this is a relatively easy bit of political work.

    28. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "but at the end of the day NFL/etc have the right to control distribution of their content."

      They would if they paid any taxes. But since theyre a non-profit organization they do not enjoy the same rights & protections that they might otherwise.

    29. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by operagost · · Score: 1

      The non-profit status is a different issue. This is about their anti-trust exemption.

      I don't care about their nonprofit status. Why? Because they don't make any profit. All NFL profits are disbursed to the teams, who pay taxes on them. That's pretty straightforward, and it's exactly how other professional nonprofits work.

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    30. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 0

      John McCain wanted a war. He's going to war with the NFL. Black, Korean, whatever, some weird not-white people twisted his broken arms and he's going to get payback on *somebody*.

    31. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by tompaulco · · Score: 2

      If NFL wishes to be able to enforce blackouts, then they need to provide seating for all of the millions of people in that area that would have wanted to watch the game. If the game has sold out, they have not provided adequate seating and they do not get to have a blackout.
      Also, the seating must accommodate all income levels, up to and including having free seats for people who can't afford to go to games and would have watched it for free on their TV.
      I realize this sounds preposterous, but it is meant to. The REAL solution is no blackouts. People weren't going to go to your game anyway, because the ticket prices are so high that the average upper middle class family can't afford to go. Lower your prices and your stadium will fill up. Would you rather sell half your seats at $100 a ticket, or all of your seats at $75 a ticket? Flunk Econ 101 much?
      FYI, I don't attend football games or watch them on TV. I can't be bothered with sports. But an injustice is an injustice.

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    32. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Hello ass hat who doesn't understand that football games are subsidized by tax payer money.

      I understand that. It doesn't bother you at all, that politicians selectively address minor non-controversial issues before election day?

      The argument is that airing a game that does not sell out ticket sales cuts into their profits.

      Everyone these days knows they are full of shit when they make those claims, and when they continue to repeat those claims....

      The irony is the NFL makes most of it's money through TV contracts making that argument bogus - which is what the FCC found.

      I'm glad they did... I really am. It's just that Woes getting the entertainment you want, because of stupid corporate shenanigans by entertainment companies ---- is at the BOTTOM of my list.

      What's at the top of my list of problems the government needs to fix? Government-created Telco monopolies raping the consumer.

      The lack of competition between broadband providers.

      Network non-neutrality

      Ass-hat providers lobbying in favor of laws to block municipal broadband

      Court challenges against community fiber efforts from big companies --- even in underserved communities with no real network provider available.

      Cable/DSL companiy duopolies.

      Atrociously high data rates for wireless providers.

      Atrociously low data caps from network providers, or moves towards service metering.

      The general lack of healthy competition in Cable, DSL, and Wireless data markets.

      Telcos tearing up copper infrastructure and switching to fiber to avoid regulation.

      Letting telcos walk with public funds in the past that paid for fiber to every customer, without delivering

      Failing to define broadband standard as 50 megabits or higher

      The total lack of competition for the last mile.

    33. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is Congress can't multitask. Glad we cleared that up. FYI what do you think tax payer money could be spend on if it wasn't subsiding professional sports teams....think Potsy think.

    34. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by captain_nifty · · Score: 1

      Ah a Kids in the Hall reference, that takes me back.
      One of their greatest sketches ever...

      I'm crushing your head!

    35. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe, but that's not really true in this case. McCain really should have a (D) by his name.

    36. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by rezme · · Score: 1

      As opposed to using them on us... which happens way more often.

    37. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by Noah+Haders · · Score: 2

      actually, upright citizens brigade. 4 min video here. kith is good too!

    38. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      And he does pay taxes on his salary.

      Irrelevant.

    39. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What makes sports special? All areas (state, city, county, etc.) compete for all sorts of business with special breaks.

    40. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by mysidia · · Score: 1

      FYI what do you think tax payer money could be spend on if it wasn't subsiding professional sports teams

      Just in time for a cost-of-living adjustment increase for Social Security.

      More funding for Executive Golf

      More desk rearrangements at the SEC HQ.

      More commercial farm subsidies

      More 1st class tickets for federal employees to take business trips.

      More government sponsorships of NASCAR races and similar events.

      More plasma televisions, popcorn machines, DVD players, and government leased/purchased luxury vehicles, for congressional offices and offices of federal employees.

      More beach re-sanding

      Bigger, badder surveillance resources for the FBI and NSA.

      Bigger prisons.

      Construction of more large-scale detention camps for FEMA

      All the tiddlywinks your heart could desire

      A decent mail archiving system for the IRS

      Universal Healthcare

      More Military Escapades

      Continuation of 6 day mail delivery

    41. Re: Live by the sword, die by the sword by mysidia · · Score: 1

      ESPN and red zone are expect from blackouts. NBC and CBS are not as cable channels as well as over the air.

      As far as I know these blackout too.

      If you want to get around blackouts, then as far as I know, the only way to do so legally is through internet streaming, possibly by renting a streaming box physically located in a different market.

      Some folks might subscribe to both satellite and Cable. And "trade receivers" with a friend located 100 miles away.

      They'll then have access to blacked out content. Unless they have a reveiver with new technology that uses GPS to locate itself, the receiving device won't realize they're located in a blacked out market.

    42. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I agree blackouts suck, but at the end of the day NFL/etc have the right to control distribution of their content.

      No, they don't have that right, unless society chooses to give it to them. The term privilege would be better, since that's really what we're describing. There are many ways the system could be implemented which would still provide a reasonable opportunity for people to play football, and for others to watch them, without allowing a special exemption to anti-trust rules (and all kinds of violations of fundamental rights, such as the right to ethical government).

  3. why am i not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    that being able to watch football is one of the only issues that's easy to get bipartisan support on

    1. Re:why am i not surprised by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      that being able to watch football is one of the only issues that's easy to get bipartisan support on

      No kidding. Please solve a problem that matters.

    2. Re:why am i not surprised by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      No kidding. Please solve a problem that matters.

      Yes, like Major League Baseball's blackout policies and antitrust exemption.

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    3. Re:why am i not surprised by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      I've solved poverty, but it's not like I can just walk into the House and make them listen to my plan. What am I supposed to do, form an economic committee and hold Q&A time?

  4. Could they get any more special treatment? by damn_registrars · · Score: 3, Informative

    The NFL also gets nonprofit status on top of this. Could we do more to support them?

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    1. Re:Could they get any more special treatment? by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      The League Office is nonprofit, not the teams.

    2. Re:Could they get any more special treatment? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 5, Funny

      The NFL also gets nonprofit status on top of this. Could we do more to support them?

      I dunno. Let's rename them to the Israeli Football League and see what happens.

    3. Re:Could they get any more special treatment? by snsh · · Score: 5, Informative

      Don't confuse "nonprofit" with "charity". While virtually all charities are nonprofits, not all nonprofits are charities.

      The NFL being nonprofit is simply a reflection of how the league is organized and equity and earnings are allocated. In this case, most of the equity in the NFL is held by individual teams and the teams' billionaire owners, and all the earnings are targeted to those same teams. The league acts as just a vehicle for the teams to coordinate functions like marketing, scheduling, and league matters. So when the league gets $10 billion in TV contracts, all the profit is distributed to the teams, which then pay taxes on it. Being structured as a nonprofit, the NFL league has trustees and beneficiaries. It could reincorporate as a for-profit, in which case it would have owners and shareholders. In that case, each team owner could be granted one share. If that were to happen, Paul Allen instead of receiving one tax bill for $100 million for the Seahawks, would get two tax bills for $70 million (for the Seahawks) and $30 million (for the NFL share). From the taxman's point of view, it's pretty much the same.

      There's nothing sneaky about the NFL being a nonprofit. It's just reflects how the league was originally set up.

    4. Re:Could they get any more special treatment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "There's nothing sneaky about the NFL being a nonprofit. It's just reflects how the league was originally set up."

      It also reflects how much taxes they pay.

    5. Re:Could they get any more special treatment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The NFL did it because it's what makes the most sense. The don't care about taxes; they're not in it for the money.

    6. Re:Could they get any more special treatment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Inversion!

    7. Re:Could they get any more special treatment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The League Office is nonprofit, not the teams.

      Ah yes, this somehow makes me feel about as good as auditing the Susan G. Komen payroll.

      I mean, I just don't know how all those "administrators" of non-profits survive on six-figure salaries...oh the horror.

    8. Re:Could they get any more special treatment? by mythosaz · · Score: 2

      I worked for 4BN dollar nonprofit healthcare organization. Thousands upon thousands of employees. Large swaths of clinicians and technical staff making six-figure salaries.

    9. Re:Could they get any more special treatment? by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      Yet Roger Goodell gets a $44 million/year salary. That does not really compute well for me.

    10. Re:Could they get any more special treatment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think of the children! If the NFL isn't allowed to blackout local games, won't the little children suffer?

    11. Re:Could they get any more special treatment? by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 0

      Yet Roger Goodell gets a $44 million/year salary.

      That doesn't really have anything to do with the League Office being a non-profit. From their point of view, the $44 million is an expense, not profit, and their non-profit status doesn't extend to Mr. Goodell personally; he's taxed on that income.

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    12. Re:Could they get any more special treatment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd bet that those clinicians and technical staff actually did something useful.

      The Susan G. Komen Foundation exists to extract money from well-meaning people who think that they're paying to support cancer research.

    13. Re:Could they get any more special treatment? by floodo1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You just figured out why "non-profit" is wishy-washy ... people don't work for free and non-profits pay people so at what point are you hiding profits in people's salaries?

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    14. Re:Could they get any more special treatment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're being an NFL-ist!! How dare you!

    15. Re:Could they get any more special treatment? by radl33t · · Score: 1

      Their ability to organize as a non profit was specifically carved out for them by legislation. Its corrupt.

    16. Re:Could they get any more special treatment? by Imrik · · Score: 1

      People pay taxes on their salaries.

    17. Re:Could they get any more special treatment? by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      Possibly. When teams come close to not selling out, large companies like local tv stations that carry the games will buy up tickets and give them away to underprivileged children. If the game sells out, they can air the game and sell ads. If it doesn't, they can't.

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    18. Re:Could they get any more special treatment? by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 1

      The NFL also gets nonprofit status on top of this. Could we do more to support them?

      Well, we could build massive new stadiums for all of their teams using public funds. Oh, wait...

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    19. Re:Could they get any more special treatment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone pays taxes on their salaries including for-profit companies. I don't understand your argument.

    20. Re:Could they get any more special treatment? by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Is he or shall I say his tax rate depends on how he is paid. Regardless the NFL should not be a non-profit nor exempt from anti-trust.

    21. Re:Could they get any more special treatment? by operagost · · Score: 1

      Correct. And for a nonprofit PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION like the NFL, does it matter? They are not a charity, so they don't receive donations. But people understandably DO get upset when the CEO of the United Way makes over a million dollars a year and a bunch of middle managers make $200,000. They're donating money they worked for, and paid taxes on, only to have a large chunk of it be spent on payroll instead of helping people.

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    22. Re:Could they get any more special treatment? by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      Regardless the NFL should not be a non-profit nor exempt from anti-trust.

      It's perfectly reasonable for the League Office to be a non-profit because it's a cost center, not a profit center. The member leagues use it to coordinate their own for-profit efforts, of course, but it doesn't pay them back with rising share prices or dividends. The prime characteristic of a non-profit is that it takes in money and spends it for the benefit of its members, rather than earning a financial profit to be distributed back out to investors. Having non-profit status does not make the NFL a charity; it simply has the same tax status as any number of other industry associations. For example, the MPAA and RIAA are also non-profit organizations.

      As far as I'm concerned, everyone should be exempt from anti-trust. My only complaint here is that the exemption is so narrow.

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    23. Re:Could they get any more special treatment? by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      Well, the United Way does that because they are not a worthy charity and have incredibly high administrative costs. Unfortunately, many companies force employees to donate and to solicit donations for this organizations because there are kickbacks and perks for the higher ups if a certain amount of donations originate from that company. The United Way needs to be shut down.

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    24. Re:Could they get any more special treatment? by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      So you're saying you're libertarian that likes tax payer dollars subsidizing wildly profitable private business. Nice.

    25. Re:Could they get any more special treatment? by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      No, the subsidies for stadiums and the like are a completely separate issue from their status as a non-profit organization. I'm not saying that the NFL should get special treatment; I'm saying that non-profit status is not special treatment, just recognition of how the League Office is actually organized.

      Obviously, as a libertarian I'm opposed to taxes being collected in the first place, much less being use to subsidize anything (profitable or otherwise), but that has zero impact on whether the League Office should be classified as a for-profit or non-profit organization—the impact of which amounts to a minor difference in accounting, with little change in the overall amount of tax collected.

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    26. Re:Could they get any more special treatment? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      A non-profit is not a charity, and the two should not be confused.

  5. I wish McCain would retire by the_skywise · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is obviously a payback to Comcast...

    The point of having the blackouts to begin with is AGREED upon by the very cities that McCain is claiming to "protect". It brings foot traffic into the cities and increases sales to nearby restaurants and bars and let's not even go into ensuring that the stadium (which shares profits with the towns) is as near capacity as possible.

    Now, if we want to completely privatize the stadiums I'm all for letting the free market do its thang. But, as McCain oddly points out, these are NOT private entities but basically defacto public partnerships.

    1. Re:I wish McCain would retire by AuMatar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The point of the blackouts is to extort money from the fans for an overpriced live experience. If they really wanted to sell out every game, they should study basic economics and drop prices. They'll still make ridiculous amounts of money.

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    2. Re:I wish McCain would retire by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and maybe if it didn't cost $100 for a couple to buy tickets plus $8 beers and really bad $6 hotdogs your argument might make sense.

    3. Re:I wish McCain would retire by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

      The NFL has reached a stage that the blackout rule will have almost no impact on sales.

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    4. Re:I wish McCain would retire by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "The point of the blackouts is to extort money from the fans for an overpriced live experience"

      Not to mention allowing almost every stadium to lie to and gauge patrons out of their money by falsely representing how much liquid their cups hold.

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    5. Re:I wish McCain would retire by rahvin112 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Stadium revenue isn't even 5% of the teams earnings anymore. It's so ridiculously small in fact that it's the entire reason cited by the FCC for abolishing the blackout restriction. They could literally give the tickets away and it wouldn't impact earnings in any significant manner.

      The reason they don't cheapen the tickets is that by keeping prices high the owners can use the tickets like money. Court-side tickets are so expensive when they hand the mayor a season's worth of tickets he's bound to whatever the owner wants because they've given him the equivalent of $100K. But because they set the pricing on the seats they can declare the tickets worth less than $5. Those high priced tickets are essentially their own untraceable money that they can print at will.

    6. Re:I wish McCain would retire by C0R1D4N · · Score: 1

      $100 for two tickets? You must live in Oakland. Bit more expensive in NJ.

    7. Re:I wish McCain would retire by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Stadium revenue isn't even 5% of the teams earnings anymore.

      I just learned today that the distribution of the TV money to teams is almost exactly equal to their salary cap. That means, the stadium earning is the profit, along with merchandising deals.

      That means the stadium revenue is actually a very big part of their profit margin.

      Where did you get the 5% figure, by the way?

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    8. Re:I wish McCain would retire by Jaime2 · · Score: 2

      I went to a Monday night Buffalo Bills game with the company's tickets a few years ago. They were decent seats on the goal line, with a bar that was private to the two thousand fans in the section. The tickets cost $275 each..... for a Bills game.

    9. Re:I wish McCain would retire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stadium revenue are 25% of NFL's. 50% comes from TV rights. And another 25% from merchandising.

      Don't throw BS numbers around if you don't know WTF you are talking about. Thank you.

      http://www.forbes.com/sites/ku...

    10. Re:I wish McCain would retire by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      That view is fine... as long as blackouts only extend to a minor geographical distance, such as 30 miles.

      These days, you can be 300 miles away from the event, and be subject to blackout restrictions. That's asinine and overreaches.

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    11. Re:I wish McCain would retire by u38cg · · Score: 1

      Major sports teams tend to be clothing companies with a nice line in football(/baseball/basketball/etc).

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    12. Re:I wish McCain would retire by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      if the stadium stays the same price, and they drop prices, they can't sell any more tickets. They will lose money.

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    13. Re:I wish McCain would retire by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, we should make it illegal for them to do what they're doing for their own good because we know more than they do about what would make money. Reminds me of the "They'd make more money if only they'd let me distribute all their music to millions of anonymous strangers for free" argument...

      I'm far from a libertarian, but I can't agree with this.

      And anti-trust exemptions... well, I think for many industries, especially the entertainment industries they should be automatic unless you can find somewhere (say, employment, etc) where there's a genuine issue with people being impacted trying to do the things that are critical to living. I do think anti-trust laws are legitimate as is anti-trust enforcement, but I also honestly think the laws are too broad at the moment.

      If it's so bad for the entertainment industry (of which sports is a subset) to continue to do what they're doing, they will, ultimately, stop doing it. In the mean time, let's recognize that together with a lot of other issues that consumers don't like, such the inability to subscribe to a single (cable) TV channel, participation in the industry itself is completely optional. Nobody is harmed by refusing to participate in a sporting audience, or refusing to buy a cable TV subscription.

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    14. Re:I wish McCain would retire by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      Seriously, it would still be gouging even if they gave you twice the amount of liquid posted. Complaints about the volume are kind of pointless.

      Its like the old catskills joke:

      Old Lady: The food there was terrible!
      Old Man: Yeah! And such small portions!

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    15. Re:I wish McCain would retire by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      No it's not. It's the TV contracts moron. Stadium money wouldn't even cover player salaries.

    16. Re:I wish McCain would retire by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Think again Zippy. TV Contracts make up the vast majority of earnings.

    17. Re:I wish McCain would retire by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Fuck you asshole. Let the free market carry the fucking NFL. The NFL does not need any protection. They make over $12 Billion annually and blackmail local communities into coughing up tax payer money to build new stadiums.

      You are a fucking idiot. Participation is not optional. You subscribe to any TV service provider you get ESPN. You can't drop it. Period. ESPN charges a premium for carrying its channel even though more people watch QVC than ESPN. ESPN coughed up $15 Billion dollars to carry Monday Night football for 10 years. You are paying for that!

      Get your facts straight schill.

    18. Re:I wish McCain would retire by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Assuming true - the prices will go up with a new stadium.

    19. Re:I wish McCain would retire by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      No it's not. It's the TV contracts moron.

      There must be some correlation between the level of someone's certainty and the odds of them being wrong.

      Here are the actual numbers, moron:

      http://www.sportsbusinessdaily...

      In 2013, each NFL club received $131 million in national TV money, which includes revenue from the league’s three network partners (CBS, NBC and Fox) as well as ESPN and DirecTV

      What was the salary cap in 2013? $123 million. Figure in the salary of the coaches and trainers, gatorade and legal feels to get defensive ends out of jail, and you end up very close to break even from the TV money.

      Once again, the stadium revenue and merchandising is where the gravy is at.

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    20. Re:I wish McCain would retire by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      From what I can tell, just looking at my local beloved Bears, who are up in the higher tier of teams by profits, stadium revenue appears to be closer to 25% of total revenue. TV revenue is less than half of total revenue, and operating profits almost exactly equal gate receipts.

      http://www.forbes.com/teams/ch...

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    21. Re:I wish McCain would retire by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      You didn't read the article did you.

      "That means by 2016, each NFL team will bring in at least $181 million from national TV alone — more than enough by itself for teams to cover their salary cap expenses."

      FYI blackouts have little impact on attendance. So blackouts not driving ticket sales.

    22. Re:I wish McCain would retire by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      "That means by 2016, each NFL team will bring in at least $181 million from national TV alone — more than enough by itself for teams to cover their salary cap expenses."

      You didn't think it through, did you?

      By 2016, when the NFL TV revenue is expected to hit $180 million, the salary cap is expected to hit $160 million.

      http://profootballtalk.nbcspor...

      We have head coaches making $8 million by themselves (doesn't count against the cap). There are assistant coaches making $1.5 million. With the average team carrying 18 assistant coaches, you see how close the TV revenue and the team payroll really are.

      http://a.espncdn.com/nfl/colum...

      http://www.answers.com/Q/How_m...

      As I said, the TV revenue almost exactly equals payroll for the players, coaches, trainers, etc, maybe some equipment and other expenses.

      It's the stadium revenue and merchandising revenue that represents the teams' profits. That is how they differentiate themselves from other teams in terms of profits.

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    23. Re:I wish McCain would retire by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Those high priced tickets are essentially their own untraceable money that they can print at will.

      Until it's April 15th, and it's time to write off a few hundred thousand on their taxes as charity or a business expense. Like how Microsoft gives away "millions" in software to schools.

    24. Re:I wish McCain would retire by swillden · · Score: 1

      There must be some correlation between the level of someone's certainty and the odds of them being wrong.

      I'm completely, absolutely certain that this is true.

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    25. Re:I wish McCain would retire by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      Wait, so you think if they lower the price of tickets to the stadium, they'll get *more* money from tv contracts?

      Or did you not follow the thread? Maybe you thought I was suggusting that I knew the precise finacials of all NFL teams, and forsaw that a drop in ticket revenue would send them all into red ink? Because that would be really dumb. They'd make less money than they do today, if they lowered the ticket price. That's what this argument was about. The vast majoirty of teams sell out ever game at current prices. It makes no finacial sense for them to lower the prices. Tickets on Stub Hub go for 2 - 3 times face value.

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  6. Shocking! Government-granted monopolies, corrupt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The NFL is a cancerous bloated parasite living off public funds.

  7. I think they should... by raftpeople · · Score: 1

    1 - Startup
    2 - Cash in
    3 - Sell out
    4 - Bro down

  8. Pro sports are absurd. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    I can't stand professional sports, the dollars involved, the fact that even though i can't stand watching sports i'm indirectly paying for them with taxes. I have over 300 fucking sports channels that are bundled that i want nothing to do with. And god forbid you live in an area where a new staduim is being built, you'll spend years living with construction noise, never again see parking near your home, and the best part waves of drunk loud assholes who get genuinely agressive for no reason other than you don't give a fuck about the ridiculous games they endorse.

    everything about professional sports disgusts me.

    Let's train children to idolize men who have accomplished nothing other than mastery of childrens games.

    NFL is the worst of the bunch but they're all deplorable.

    1. Re:Pro sports are absurd. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The jocks really must have bullied you hard at school.

    2. Re: Pro sports are absurd. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      News for jocks , stuff that's alpha

    3. Re:Pro sports are absurd. by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Well, they never bullied me. And I feel the same way.

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    4. Re:Pro sports are absurd. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps it's time to move.

    5. Re:Pro sports are absurd. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think college sports like basketball and football are are any different and more noble? LOL LOL

    6. Re:Pro sports are absurd. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      stating dislike of one thing does not mean global acceptance of all things not specifically stated....

    7. Re:Pro sports are absurd. by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      It sounds like he was there first. The stadium should move.

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  9. Comcast will need to due a lot of work if they by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Comcast will need to due a lot of work if they want NFL Sunday ticket. There system right now does not have the room for it.

    1. Re:Comcast will need to due a lot of work if they by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah they might have to cut some home shopping channels.

    2. Re:Comcast will need to due a lot of work if they by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      if they want it SD but to get in HD??

  10. Welcome to the free market by Snotnose · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You charge too much for tickets/parking/hot dogs/beer, people don't go see your games. Threatening to not allow fans who won't bend over and lube up see the game is IMHO seriously bad business practice. Want to entice fans to games? Don't charge $500 per game for a family to go.

    / haven't been to a game in 15 years
    // prefer watching it on TV
    /// except for the damned commercials
    //// then again, when I went to the game they had "commercial timeouts".

    1. Re:Welcome to the free market by mythosaz · · Score: 0

      With the exception of the Buffalo Bills, pretty much nobody gets backed out. Sometimes a bad team has to make a last-minute deal to get tickets sold at a discount (about $0.39 on the dollar to themselves, or at bulk/corporate rates to television sponsors), but rarely do blackouts happen. [Blackout rules also exempt luxury seats and tickets reserved for the visiting team.]

      Any sufficiently popular team is perpetually sold out, with long waiting lists for season tickets. Most famously the waiting list for Green Bay is a generation! Get in line now and you children may be able to purchase tickets.

      You might not want to spend $500 to take your family to a game, but people still go. Any talks about the decline in attendance are, in short, bunk. The numbers haven't changed much in the better part of a decade - housing bubble or not.
      http://www.statista.com/statis...

      Since most games are sold out (or nearly sold out), and some stadiums are SRO for events, they seem to be pricing correctly.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...

      I prefer NFL games on TV too. But as long as the stadium is full, I can't imagine a reason to lower ticket prices.

    2. Re:Welcome to the free market by amiga3D · · Score: 2

      The ticket isn't the problem. It's all the other expenses involved plus the fucking traffic. They could give me tickets and I wouldn't go.

    3. Re:Welcome to the free market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So then this whole thing is basically a 'look how we are fighting for the little guy' but it does jack and shit.

    4. Re:Welcome to the free market by alen · · Score: 1

      please
      the fans cream themselves when the teams sign up players for tens of millions of $$$ and if the team isn't winning they rage that teams need to hire more expensive players.. then they complain about the cost of watching the games on TV or live

      not just the NFL. yankee fans want ownership to write unlimited checks no matter how many players are hurt and way above the luxury tax

    5. Re:Welcome to the free market by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "I can't imagine a reason to lower ticket prices."

      MY FUCKING TAX DOLLARS PAID FOR THAT STADIUM AND THAT'S THE END OF STORY.

      Problem with your brain and logic, sir? You seem to have pretty much zero common sense.

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    6. Re:Welcome to the free market by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      I guess you should move to the Democratic People's Republic of Kkyber, where you can be 100% responsible for all elected officials.

      The NFL didn't pry your tax dollars out of your pocket with magic. You, and your fellow citizens voted for it, either directly or by representation. Plenty of stadium votes have gone up and failed. Sometimes, in a democracy, your neighbors vote for things you don't like. Sucks to be in the minority sometimes.

      Here's in Phoenix, we're looking forward to the half a billion dollars that Super Bowl 2015 is going to bring to Phoenix - which was roughly the cost of the stadium we just built - something we voted for 52-48% about 14 years ago. We won't take all that back in and tax that weekend, of course, but it's a long game, and we reap the rewards of having that stadium.

      Sorry you got outvoted.

    7. Re:Welcome to the free market by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      You don't have to. The stadium is sold out even if your average Slashdot user hates live football.

      There's 100,000 people in Dallas lined up to go the next Cowboys game, even if you don't want to. They'll grumble about parking, but they're going to pay it because, as their wallet voting tells us, they want to.

      Welcome to the free market indeed.

    8. Re:Welcome to the free market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With the exception of the Buffalo Bills, pretty much nobody gets backed out. Sometimes a bad team has to make a last-minute deal to get tickets sold at a discount (about $0.39 on the dollar to themselves, or at bulk/corporate rates to television sponsors), but rarely do blackouts happen. [Blackout rules also exempt luxury seats and tickets reserved for the visiting team.]

      Any sufficiently popular team is perpetually sold out, with long waiting lists for season tickets. Most famously the waiting list for Green Bay is a generation! Get in line now and you children may be able to purchase tickets.

      You might not want to spend $500 to take your family to a game, but people still go. Any talks about the decline in attendance are, in short, bunk. The numbers haven't changed much in the better part of a decade - housing bubble or not.
      http://www.statista.com/statis...

      Since most games are sold out (or nearly sold out), and some stadiums are SRO for events, they seem to be pricing correctly.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...

      I prefer NFL games on TV too. But as long as the stadium is full, I can't imagine a reason to lower ticket prices.

      You will continue to see this kind of brash arrogance and attitude towards consumers across all large companies.

      Watch the NFL get their way. Just watch. Then watch them raise prices more. Then watch them demand another percent or two in local sales tax to build their gargantuan stadium in your town. Then watch them charge hundreds of dollars per ticket for the "cheap" seats. Secure decade-long deposits with obscene unbreakable contracts.

      And you, the consumer, will take it up the ass.

      And there won't be a goddamn thing you can do about. Why? Because even after ALL that, the fucking stadium is STILL FULL, that's why.

      As the global population grows and the attitude towards actually trying to prevent or even control monopolistic business practices shrinks due to corruption, businesses will quickly learn one thing. There will ALWAYS be enough customers.

      So, in short, FUCK YOU CONSUMER. You'll take it our way, and FUCK OFF if you don't like it. There's three behind you waiting for you to get the fuck out of the way.

      Enjoy.

    9. Re:Welcome to the free market by swillden · · Score: 1

      "I can't imagine a reason to lower ticket prices."

      MY FUCKING TAX DOLLARS PAID FOR THAT STADIUM AND THAT'S THE END OF STORY.

      That's not a reason to lower ticket prices. That's a reason to either (a) stop paying for stadiums with tax dollars or (b) tax the tickets so that taxpayers recoup the expense.

      But as long as the stadiums are full of people who willingly bought the tickets, there's no reason to lower ticket prices.

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    10. Re:Welcome to the free market by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      You seemed to have described the basic principles of supply and demand.

    11. Re:Welcome to the free market by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      Don't charge $500 per game for a family to go.

      For an NFL game, any seats but nose-bleed, that's low-ball.

      I gave up my Seahawks season tickets and instead bought a huge TV for my basement "Man Cave", and a subscription to see the games I want to see.

      Never again will I get raped by the live seat price, though Comcast (or whoever) will still rape me to a certain degree.

      But with Comcast (amazingly) I don't get fucked up the ass as much as with the NFL at a "live tag team match" on the field.

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    12. Re:Welcome to the free market by geekmux · · Score: 1

      You seemed to have described the basic principles of supply and demand.

      Well, sure.

      One could also call rape a component of normal sexual activity, if they were so inclined to twist the living shit out of the definition.

      You also don't usually teach extortion tactics to freshly minted CPAs. Blackouts are nothing more than this.

    13. Re:Welcome to the free market by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      Actually the NFL has some of the most entertaining commercials I see. I sometimes even watch them just because of that.

    14. Re:Welcome to the free market by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. Here in Pittsburgh they held a referendum on the new stadium back when it was proposed. The people voted NO. So the politicos did what they called 'Plan B' and used funds from a recently raised (only in Allegheny County, mind you) sales tax to build it, by fiat.

    15. Re:Welcome to the free market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "which was roughly the cost of the stadium we just built"

      The nominal cost, maybe. But what about the opportunity cost? In other words, might an officer tower have been put there, paying much more in property taxes? Cities don't just give stadiums money. They also give them tax incentives. And what about all the other things could Phoenix have spent that money on?

      Also, $500 million is nearly $700 million after 14 years of inflation. And the yield on the bonds Phoenix sold were almost certainly greater than inflation. So Phoenix is much further away from the mark than you think. Plus, that debt would have made their other bond offerings more costly.

      Numerous studies have shown that the vast majority of stadiums are money losers for the cities that fund them. Good for Phoenix if their's was a net gain, but I seriously doubt it.

    16. Re:Welcome to the free market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seemed to have described the basic principles of supply and demand.

      Well, sure.

      One could also call rape a component of normal sexual activity, if they were so inclined to twist the living shit out of the definition.

      You also don't usually teach extortion tactics to freshly minted CPAs. Blackouts are nothing more than this.

      Extortion?

      More like sour grapes on your part.

      Every weekend in the fall 70,000 or people VOLUNTARILY PAY to sit in each of those stadiums, with many teams having YEARS-LONG waiting lists for season tickets.

      Rape isn't voluntary - by definition.

    17. Re:Welcome to the free market by xigxag · · Score: 1

      Good for them. And since the stadium is full nobody's buying any longer their need for a blackout. Good for the fans.

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    18. Re:Welcome to the free market by radl33t · · Score: 1

      You are wrong. It isn't a democracy. The NFL is essentially a criminal enterprise whose existence and methods were legalized via backdoor legislation. This is not democracy. Finding "cooperative" judges to side-step referendums, overlook glaring legal issues for "expediency" and bypass the spirit of the law due to overwhelmingly negative public opinion is not democracy. Making baseless, unjusitified, and wholly discredited financial estimates and claims to ultimately leveraging the ignorance of citizens to provide corporate welfare is not democracy. Its collusion, fraud, and plutocracy.

      Municipal law in Minneapolis required a vote on any public financing over 10 million. Somehow the state and the mayor railroaded around this legislation and started building a billion dollar stadium without public consent. The did this because spending a million dollars per citizen was wildly unpopular. The city council members and mayor were subsequently removed from office. Yet there is still a billion dollar stadium going up essentially due to legalized racketeering. Lawsuits against the construction had merit but were repeatedly shut down; the judges concluded it was too late because firms illegally started work before the municipality even had authorization to proceed with contracts...Other locations have had stadiums built under similarly auspicious conditions.

      Furthermore, there is no evidence of this supposed business flurry that stadiums bring. It's like the fabled money making college sports programs. The math does not work. There is ample research negating these bogus claims. It's hilarious how you equate a billion dollars in revenue (extremely arguable) as justification for extorting (tens?) (hundreds?) of thousands of dollars from each of the citizen of Phoenix. Do you seriously expect to reap financial rewards ? This is corporate welfare of the worst kind.

      I don't want to go on a rant here, but supporting the NFL requires extreme moral compromise. In essence fans support an enterprise in legalized racketeering, legislated collusion and extortion, the willful and continued criminal cover up of TMI and even pre-concussive TMI, the exploitation of youth, especially disadvantaged youth by pro and "college" play, and the perpetuation with war-like simulation and mysogeny. In retrospect, it may be the perfect analogy for America.

    19. Re:Welcome to the free market by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      That's a lot of people with money to burn. I like watching pro football but really I've seen high school games that are just as much fun to watch.

    20. Re:Welcome to the free market by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Wow so how far up the NFL's ass is your head?

      Rather disingenuous with that statement aren't you. The NFL routinely threatens to move teams out of a city if they don't cough up the cash to build/upgrade a stadium. Care to try that again Zippy.

    21. Re:Welcome to the free market by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      They fixed that for the casino. This time they decided to just contact their corrupt friends in the state government to get a no-bid contract.

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    22. Re:Welcome to the free market by geekmux · · Score: 1

      You seemed to have described the basic principles of supply and demand.

      Well, sure.

      One could also call rape a component of normal sexual activity, if they were so inclined to twist the living shit out of the definition.

      You also don't usually teach extortion tactics to freshly minted CPAs. Blackouts are nothing more than this.

      Extortion?

      More like sour grapes on your part.

      Every weekend in the fall 70,000 or people VOLUNTARILY PAY to sit in each of those stadiums, with many teams having YEARS-LONG waiting lists for season tickets.

      If what you were saying was factually true for every team, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Neither would the FCC or senators.

      Blackouts are created by extortionists who hold out broadcasts due to poor ticket sales and unfilled stadiums.

      Rape isn't voluntary - by definition.

      I never volunteered to turn on my TV to find a blackout either. That was forced upon me as a viewer. And forcing me to "volunteer" to pay hundreds of dollars to go watch in person is akin to paying the porn star for sex when all you wanted to do was watch the damn porno.

    23. Re:Welcome to the free market by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      Did you vote no on the "politicos" too?

      One way or the other, you voted for it.

      Democracy in action.

    24. Re:Welcome to the free market by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      Big businesses ask for things all the time -- see Musk getting his tax breaks in Nevada -- and sometimes they get it.

      And sometimes they move.

    25. Re:Welcome to the free market by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      The NFL routinely threatens to move teams out of a city if they don't cough up the cash to build/upgrade a stadium. Care to try that again Zippy.

      quite true. So the cities should say "See ya". Since the franchise loses the city money overall. unfortunately, there is all the public goodwill you will lose because the rest of the morons believe that the football team actually brings in money for the city and besides, they like football and are willing to spend tens of thousands of dollars of your and my money so that they will have the privilege of watching football for $500 a game.

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    26. Re:Welcome to the free market by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Welcome to the free market indeed.

      They can talk "free market" when they pay for their own stadiums and reimburse their training/recruiting programs, I mean universities and highs schools, for the millions they spend on football.

    27. Re:Welcome to the free market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While that's true for many teams, tickets to a game that are at risk of a blackout aren't $500.

    28. Re:Welcome to the free market by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      I voted against every County Council member who voted Yes, so yes I did vote no on both counts. I'm a huge Steelers fan but the Rooneys could afford to build their own damn stadium.

  11. News for jocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    stuff that nerd into a locker

    1. Re:News for jocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, this story belongs _not_ on Slashdot.

  12. Wow by MitchDev · · Score: 1

    Congress actually threatening to do something good for a change?

    1. Re:Wow by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      The thing about this that pisses me off is the question WHY HAVEN'T THEY ALREADY DONE IT.

      Crikey football legislation gets fast tracked and important crap like tax entitlement and immigration reform - nothing.

      Throw the bums out is basically the only reasonable thing at this point.

  13. While we're all fired up with outrage... by argStyopa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...since "Redskins" is so harmful and offensive, how about we also ban the word 'nigger' from use in media? Or rescind copyright protection for anything that includes that offensive term.

    I mean, this is all about protecting the feelings of oppressed minorities, right?

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    1. Re:While we're all fired up with outrage... by WrongMonkey · · Score: 1

      Have you been in a cave to 30 years? When was the last time you heard the n-word used in commercial media? What TRADEMARK (not copyright) includes the term?

    2. Re:While we're all fired up with outrage... by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and nobody is sticking up for the poor Cowboys either.

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    3. Re: While we're all fired up with outrage... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Niggers are us' also can't be trademarked for the same reason. Either you don't know what can be trademarked (imagine that) or you don't think nigger is a slur. We can infer your opinion of 'redskins'

  14. Can we repeal their NPO status too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean really.. the NFL is non-profit? gimme a fucking break.

  15. Um...blackmail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is this not blackmail? And why does the Redskins changing their name have anything to do with senators not rescinded the antitrust exception? They should be rescinding it regardless, but no one in Washington does their job. It's all about political favors and back-stabbing to get ahead.

  16. Announced Wednesday? by HackaNoSlacka · · Score: 1

    The linked legislation was initially introduced AND referred to Judiciary Committee in 2013 (18-Nov-2013). What am I missing?

    1. Re:Announced Wednesday? by towermac · · Score: 1

      "deny the antitrust exemption" ... "to any league" ..."that does not:"..."(1) prohibit sponsored telecast"..."or (2) make a sponsored telecast...available to consumers, using an Internet platform"

      So, if they sell an internet feed (which I think they do now), or; just let the local cable outfit show it (and not necessarily the network's feed; a wide angle camera on a pole would satisfy 'showing it')... ...then they get to keep their antitrust exemption. Am I reading that wrong?

    2. Re:Announced Wednesday? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      streaming is available from either having a verizon account (exclusive phone/tablet method), having a directv plan (exclusive cable/sat method), or living in non-USA territories.
      i see little difference between antitrust and selling the rights to participate in one's antitrust.

  17. its a good thing its a free market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    else you would have to prosecute trading standards because whatever that abomination of a game is, football is the one thing its not.

  18. xxx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    xxx

  19. Hahaha! by s.petry · · Score: 1

    Stop, you are killing me!

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    1. Re:Hahaha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop, you are killing me!

      The teams are in it for the money.

      The league is owned and run by the teams as a whole.

      The teams make (or lose) money. The league itself does not.

      Is it really that hard for you to follow?

    2. Re:Hahaha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just in case: I wrote the great-grandparent comment, and was being sarcastic. The AC above probably has had too many concussions.

  20. Last blackout date: by rmdingler · · Score: 2
    Last year, two teams, the San Diego Chargers and Buffalo Bills, blacked out local television coverage of a game due to not being sold out 72 hours before kickoff.

    Last blackout for notable teams:

    NY Giants: 1975

    SF 49ers 1981

    Dallas Cowboys 1990

    Chicago Bears 1984

    NE Patriots 1993

    Washington Redskins 1965

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    1. Re:Last blackout date: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here is a more complete list.

      Aside from last season's blackouts to Chargers and Bills, here are the list of teams going back five years:

      Chiefs (2009)
      Jaguars (2009)
      Rams (2009)
      Lions (2010)
      Bengals (2012)
      Buccaneers (2012)
      Raiders (2012)

      So in the last two years 5/32 teams had blackouts. Going back to five years, that number grows to 9/32.

    2. Re:Last blackout date: by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      There's just no cherry picking around you, noble ac.

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    3. Re:Last blackout date: by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      He said, "notable teams". Look at your list.

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    4. Re:Last blackout date: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, I'm kinda detailed oriented. But you can say I cherry picked the teams with more recent blackout dates.

      One thing I noticed with the notable teams is that some of these last blackouts occurred 1-2 years before their Super Bowl-winning season. In some cases it was prior to their "dynasty". This includes the Niners, Cowboys and arguably the Bears (only one Super Bowl, but a very memorable season). You can argue that these strings of good/excellent seasons had a lasting effect on attendence.

      Now if someone can find the tv blackouts by year-- not just the last blackout for each team, we would have a more complete picture. For example I'd be afraid to find out how many blacked out games the Raiders collected prior to their last one in 2012. Consider the time when they were trying to get sellouts on the 90k+ stadium.in Los Angeles.

      But getting back to the question about TV blackout affecting sales, I mean revenue. We'd have to get an idea on how the teams revenue stream work. Specifically how much money they get from ticket sales verses TV/media.contracts. How would a TV blackout affect either revenue?

      Maybe some enterprising journalist will check this out.

  21. Wrong target by s.petry · · Score: 1

    The problem is not with the founding fathers, the problem is that all of our candidates are being bought and paid for by the same sponsors. The founding fathers did very well in designing what Socrates envisioned as a perfect Government 2,600 years ago. Put the blame in the right spot and things can actually get better. Of course petitioning your own candidates onto the ballot is hard, so you will most likely not do anything.

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    1. Re:Wrong target by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      The founding fathers did very well in designing what Socrates envisioned as a perfect Government 2,600 years ago.

      Not really. They were well into the modern age of law, lawyers and lies, yet they still wrote in open-ended language like the ICC. That's a completely open back door, they weren't dumb enough not to know it.

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    2. Re:Wrong target by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      The founding fathers did very well in designing what Socrates envisioned as a perfect Government 2,600 years ago.

      The FF were a bunch of elitist fucks that protected their own business interests in breaking away from England. Retaining slaves and protecting their business contracts, and did as much as possible to prevent the "mob" from having any real say in how they were governed. Electoral College, no direct election of senators, and to even vote for the House, you had to own property. And generally be white and male.

  22. nope by speedlaw · · Score: 1

    Glad I didn't catch the sport virus. When the cableco put a $6 per month charge (or $72.00 per year) on my bill for "sports programming" I checked my antenna and cut out all TV programming. Stream the rest. Worked for me. I enjoy going to games but not being forced to pay for them otherwise.

  23. You underestimate football's popularity by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    People love it. I know people that it's the only thing they care about. They didn't _have_ to bribe politicians. People cheerfully vote in favor of their stadiums just so they could have a team.

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    1. Re:You underestimate football's popularity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Qualifiers: I respect that each person is entitled to their own interests, and nobody's preferences are really any better than anyone else's preferences, and "fun" is a very mysterious concept and varies greatly between people, and so on.

      But...

      Football is *REALLY* *REALLY* stupid. I can't get my head around the overwhelming exuberance that people feel over this brief period of watching people chase a ball around a field. I can understand the appeal of actually playing the sport, as exercise produces emotional and physical benefits and throwing competition into the effort helps one to commit more to the experience. But watching other people play while eating outrageously unhealthy food and shouting like a buffoon just seems wildly pedestrian.

      Yeah, I am a snob. I offer no apologies.

    2. Re:You underestimate football's popularity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The same could be said about pretty much everything. The things you like are incredibly boring and stupid to a lot of people. Why waste time saying something that literally every person on the world could say about some mundane thing or another? It's not exactly a new concept. You'd think people would get that by now.

    3. Re:You underestimate football's popularity by geoskd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The same could be said about pretty much everything. The things you like are incredibly boring and stupid to a lot of people.

      Yes, but I'm sure that no one spends huge amounts of their tax dollars supporting his boring recreational activities...

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    4. Re: You underestimate football's popularity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Libraries?

    5. Re:You underestimate football's popularity by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

      funny how you claim to respect and bash in the same breath. Only a true snob could pull that off. Congrats!!!

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    6. Re:You underestimate football's popularity by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 4, Funny

      Football is *REALLY* *REALLY* stupid. I can't get my head around the overwhelming exuberance that people feel over this brief period of watching people chase a ball around a field.

      Tell me, is it more or less stupid than watching a bunch of people dress up in spandex and pretend to fly a spaceship?

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    7. Re:You underestimate football's popularity by ranton · · Score: 4, Informative

      The same could be said about pretty much everything. The things you like are incredibly boring and stupid to a lot of people.

      Yes, but I'm sure that no one spends huge amounts of their tax dollars supporting his boring recreational activities...

      National parks, PBS, National Endowment for the Arts, etc. There are plenty of was the government funds recreational activities.

      According to Grantmakers in the Arts, public funding in the arts comes to about $1.14 billion per year. With the NFL receiving $146 million per year, the NFL is still getting a sizeable amount of money in comparison. But with about 1 in 3 Americans watching at least some football each year, football probably entertains at least as many people as the entire NEA funding does, so perhaps it is money well spent.

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    8. Re:You underestimate football's popularity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would like to think that there is some intrinsic value in the environment, and perhaps even art. But football ... not so much.

    9. Re:You underestimate football's popularity by Argos · · Score: 1

      Fiction without spandex and spaceship is less stupid?

    10. Re:You underestimate football's popularity by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Tell me, is it more or less stupid than watching a bunch of people dress up in spandex and pretend to fly a spaceship?

      It's more stupid, because if people got off of their lazy fat asses and stopped sucking down cheese curds they could play football (or perhaps some sport not designed to cause concussions) themselves. But I can't nip down to the auto dealer and pick up a new Constellation-class.

      I get why someone would be interested in sports, but not how they could be as interested as people get. Especially when they feel like part of the team. Nope, just a customer. Keep buying those Jerseys! The team's lawyers really appreciate it.

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    11. Re: You underestimate football's popularity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Libraries?

      Libraries are a public benefit except to corporatists and their ilk who prefer an uneducated workforce and populace of readily disposable cogs for the corporate machine. Here's your USD5.00 for the week, the company store has a sale on milk for only USD5.00 per gallon. Sorry your family won't be taking a vacation away from the company town but what are you going to do when you didn't save up for a trip to visit the nearest state park.

    12. Re:You underestimate football's popularity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There is no objective value in art. That's why it needs to be labeled art for people to pay (extra) money for it. If you found a crucifix suspended in a jar of urine at a yard sale, they'd have to pay you to take it away. But at an art gallery, break out the checkbook! The value of art is the value of the Emperor's new clothes: emotionally belonging to an elite group. This is the same value that sporting events provide, but in a more visceral way, complete with an acceptable outlet for tribalism and the recognition that the group's elite status is a risky venture. Notice that sports fans often identify with their home team to the point of using words like "we" and "our" when referring to the team as if they were members of the team.

    13. Re: You underestimate football's popularity by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      with the information available on the internet today, the vast majority of libraries can be closed down lets be honest here.

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    14. Re:You underestimate football's popularity by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      its just the way you were brought up. I grew up playing all kinds of sports, Football, baseball, hockey, lacrosse. I was a state champion swimmer in the backstroke for 2 years. At the same time I was also building my first computers, going to space camp and watching shoemaker levy 9 crash into Jupiter.

      I get people all the time who tell me " I dont understand how you can sit out there for hours just looking up" or " I dont understand how you can spend 10 hours on that computer of yours writing jiberish"

      you say you get it, but based on the rest of your comments you dont. and thats ok! Im sure you enjoy things that myself and other posters would tell you we just dont get it.

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    15. Re:You underestimate football's popularity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no "intrinsic" value to anything, whether you would like to think so or not. The belief in some sort of intrinsic value is pretty much religious in nature.

    16. Re: You underestimate football's popularity by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      Of course, not everybody can afford to have the internet at their beck and call, but luckily libraries have expanded to fill that gap.
      And of course, the vast majority of books and periodicals are not legally available on the internet.

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    17. Re:You underestimate football's popularity by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I get people all the time who tell me " I dont understand how you can sit out there for hours just looking up"

      At least that's looking at something that someone might care about 200 years from now. That's not my ultimate criteria or anything, but perspective.

      you say you get it, but based on the rest of your comments you dont. and thats ok!

      No, what I said is that I get part of it. The athletes are impressive, etc etc. But getting so fired up and personally-involved in something in which people are really not personally involved is just sad to me.

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    18. Re:You underestimate football's popularity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I understand and respect your opinion on football. I share it too. But your average Trekkie is no more involved in space exploration than your average football fan is involved in athletics. While your average Trekkie can't go star hopping in his spaceship there is a ton of things that they could be involved in but aren't. Imagine if your average Trekkie would match, dollar for dollar, the amount they spend on Trek in funding of public science outreach programs? Wouldn't that be great. I see more football fans take an active role in public athleticism by sponsoring school sports teams and some even take an active part in coaching and other mentoring. I don't see that coming from the sci-fi community.
       
      And yes, I do public science outreach. Come to a star party I present at and then go the next weekend to the local high school football game and see which is getting more community support. The neckbeard crowd talks a good game about how much they're active in the community but the numbers tell a totally different story, both in active participation and in dollars spent/donated.
       
      Our club covers an area with roughly 4 million citizens but you best believe that our total income over the course of a year is less than 1% of what the theaters will take in on opening night at the next Trek debut*... And we're out there doing this from multiple locations nearly 50 times a year and we welcome the public when they show up on non-star party nights as well. This isn't to mention other outreach efforts like social media, published journalism, the public lecture series and our public library project.
       
      So think what you will but the public interest in athletics versus the sciences is easy to see. A painful truth but still a truth. Maybe the neckbeards need to "got off of their lazy fat asses and stopped sucking down cheese curds" and get in the game of science outreach... or at least throw a few dollars to the people who are.
       
      * I did a star party a couple weeks ago in which the director of the observatory hosting the event was excited that the donations were so high... just over 100 dollars. Rough estimates put donation to visitor ratio at about a dollar each. How many Trekkies do you think are going to spend 20-30 dollars to see the next film, including junk food and then turn around and pay 15-20 dollars to own the movie on DVD/BR a couple months later?

    19. Re:You underestimate football's popularity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Qualifiers: I respect that each person is entitled to their own interests, and nobody's preferences are really any better than anyone else's preferences, and "fun" is a very mysterious concept and varies greatly between people, and so on.

      But...

      Football is *REALLY* *REALLY* stupid. I can't get my head around the overwhelming exuberance that people feel over this brief period of watching people chase a ball around a field. I can understand the appeal of actually playing the sport, as exercise produces emotional and physical benefits and throwing competition into the effort helps one to commit more to the experience. But watching other people play while eating outrageously unhealthy food and shouting like a buffoon just seems wildly pedestrian.

      Yeah, I am a snob. I offer no apologies.

      The Green Bay Packers are the closest thing I have to a religion. I offer no apologies.

    20. Re:You underestimate football's popularity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your funding amount doesn't include what the franchises receive from their states in handouts for stadium building, paying for increased police presence during games, tax breaks for concessions, just to name a few. And the funding amounts for the arts that you listed included state and city funding, so counting state and city funding for franchises would be appropriate for a comparison.

    21. Re:You underestimate football's popularity by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      But getting so fired up and personally-involved in something in which people are really not personally involved is just sad to me.

      Fair enough, I stand by what I said however. Im sure if you listed a number of your favorite things, other posters here would come up with reasons they are stupid and be "sad to them" as well

      Perhaps you are into comics and go to comic-con," I mean Why would people put so much into a book of drawings enough to dress up like a fictional character with a bunch of other people you dont know dressing up as fictional characters, its sad to me"*

      *not really, just an argument

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    22. Re:You underestimate football's popularity by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      Definitely more stupid. As dumb as sci-fi shows may be at times, they can still offer up social commentary in their plots and explore new ideas for how technology could influence our lives.

      And as thin as that rationalization is, football doesn't even offer that much value to society.

    23. Re:You underestimate football's popularity by Talderas · · Score: 1

      Freaking cheese head.

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    24. Re:You underestimate football's popularity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Easy. Lets cut the crap.

      The NFL is mind rotting shit contributing to the downfall of society and the other stuff you mention is good, in the interests of the public.

      The NFL (And other organized for-profit sports) represent violent, tribalistic warfare by proxy, childhood indoctrination, rampant consumerism, glorification of bad role models. You could argue that they promote athleticism but lets be realistic. It's mostly the most base of base entertainment that people sit and watch for hours while completely sedentary.

      Why the fuck does Congress get their nose in to Pro sports so much? Why is there a fucking hearing every other month about some sport related bullshit?

    25. Re:You underestimate football's popularity by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      National parks, PBS, National Endowment for the Arts, etc.

      None of which are for-profit interests, and PBS isn't known for extracting hundreds of millions from the taxpayers of, say, Boston, only to turn around and tell the people of Boston that they can't watch the TV programming they paid for.

    26. Re:You underestimate football's popularity by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Why the fuck does Congress get their nose in to Pro sports so much? Why is there a fucking hearing every other month about some sport related bullshit?

      Because your opinion is an extreme minority and very few people agree with you?

    27. Re: You underestimate football's popularity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One important role of libraries is providing community access to the internet. It isn't just about books anymore.

  24. Sports Franchises(tm), The True Heroes(R) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the WORST example of government interference in the free market that I have seen in quite some time! Well, do your worst government! The free market will CONTINUE to buy stadiums wherein these mom-and-pop operations can do business! STOP TRYING TO OPPRESS SMALL BUSINESSES, YOU CAN'T WIN!!! A CHICKEN IN EVERY POT, AND A NEW STADIUM EVERY TWO YEARS!!!!!!

  25. He's serious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The NFL isn't in it for the money. The NFL is in it to maintain control. The teams aren't non-profits. The teams are (generally) profit-generating entities. The League is there just to maintain the cabal.

    1. Re:He's serious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One team is a non-profit and has no billionaire owner.

    2. Re:He's serious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The NFL isn't in it for the money. The NFL is in it to maintain control. The teams aren't non-profits. The teams are (generally) profit-generating entities. The League is there just to maintain the cabal.

      I have always thought the NFL, MLB, NHL, and NBA to be legally sanctioned organised crime syndicates operating at the pleasure of public servants whom long ago forgot they are servants not masters of the plantation. Then again NFL and NBA in particular seem to be one of the only careers the coloured man can get and it allows him to live a gentrified lifestyle while ignoring "his community" until it is convenient to rail against the system keeping the Blackman down. President Obama is the epitome of the disconnect as he suckles at the table of his masters whilst everyone else eats dirt. Roger Goodell and Gary Bettman are mafia dons.

  26. Please don't call me, and I won't call you. by tqk · · Score: 1

    Phuck, what a dumbth country you have now. Damn. "Idiocy? Ha! I'll show you idiocy!"

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    "Tongue tied and twisted, just an Earth bound misfit ..." -- Pink Floyd.
  27. Sports? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    Sports on Slashdot. Is it the end times already?

  28. After the NLF, how about Wall Street? by Required+Snark · · Score: 3, Interesting
    If someone in Congress is willing to stand up to corrupt publicly subsidized major league sports, what about doing something about corrupt publicly subsidized financial institutions that have no actual oversight?

    First, the public subsidy.

    Fed funds, the U.S. overnight inter-bank lending rate, opened 0.08 percent, within the Federal Reserve’s target of zero to 0.25 percent, ICAP Plc, the world’s largest inter-dealer broker, said in an e-mailed statement.

    Fed funds traded from 0.06 percent to 0.3125 percent yesterday, according to data posted on the Federal Reserve Bank of New York’s website. The fed effective, or a volume-weighted average of rates on trades arranged by major brokers, was 0.09 percent.

    This this is on Oct. 2 2014: 0.09% is free money. Who gets this free money: the big banks, B of A, Citi, Chase. Also the top four investment firms which are also banks: #1 Goldman Sachs, #2 Morgan Stanley, #3 JPMorgan Chase, #4 Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Note the overlap, there is no meaningful difference between banks and brokerage firms.

    So what is the result? Why the Fed's Zero Interest Rate Policy Isn't Working.

    But, the Fed’s problem – like Japan a decade ago – is as the International Monetary Fund puts it in its latest financial stability report, the economy is “bifurcated”. Many large American companies, particularly those with global operations, are highly profitable and liquid. Unsurprisingly, for them “bank lending conditions and capital market financing remain easy”, the IMF notes.

    But many small and medium-sized companies – or the entities that typically create jobs inside America, not overseas – find it hard to raise funds. A survey conducted by the International Franchise Association in Washington, for example, notes that whereas in March half of its members expected credit conditions to improve soon, now less than a quarter expect any easing; even as Treasury yields fall.

    And the lack of any effective oversight: Bank of America fined $7.65M over accounting blunder.

    The Wall Street Journal reports the SEC charged BofA with breaking securities laws pertaining to record-keeping and internal controls after the bank disclosed in April that it had discovered a nearly $4 billion accounting error.

    So 7,650,000 divided by 4,000,000,000 = 0.019125 or 1.9125%. Note that this error existed for years, and it meant that BofA saved a huge amount of money by having $4 billion less in capital reserves then was required.

    But to understand what the fine really means it should be compared to the market capitation (total worth on the stock market), which on Oct 2 2014 was $177 billion. So 7,650,000 divided by 117,000,000,000 = 4.32203e-05 = .0000432203 = 0.00432203%. Ohh, that must have really really hurt.

    No one was held accountable. No one lost their job, was demoted, got a bad mark on their permanent record. The stock holders end up paying the fine. That's what it means to have no effective oversight.

    So the NFL is in trouble and B of A gets a fine valued at 0.00432203% of their current net worth. That is why my brain hurts.

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    Why is Snark Required?
    1. Re:After the NLF, how about Wall Street? by some+old+guy · · Score: 1

      Points well made, but futile. Professional "sports" form the circus part of "bread and circuses".

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      Scruting the inscrutable for over 50 years.
    2. Re:After the NLF, how about Wall Street? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So 7,650,000 divided by 4,000,000,000 = 0.019125 or 1.9125%.

      Actually 0.19125% underscoring your point even more.

  29. About time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...I'm tired of subsidizing the sheer idiocy that is the NFL. The NFL has outlived it's usefulness. It can go die now.

  30. Easy fix: lots of football tickets by RubberDogBone · · Score: 1

    All this huffing and puffing from Congress Critters can be solved by dumping some football tickets into constituent service offices, you know, to invite the staff to come see all the value a football team contributes to the community and see what NFL is all about.

    Free of course, no strings attached. Just have some tickets.

    And forget you were upset about blackouts and antitrust, okay? Okay!

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    Sig for hire.
  31. Gotta Love by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

    The NFL dick riding by the so called free market loving ass hats. So don't you think it's about time to ween the NFL off the government teet or does the free market not apply to wealthy corporations....

  32. Announced Wednesday? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm glad someone noticed this. Congress is in recess right now, so I don't know how this bill could have been introduced. The Senators involved are probably back in their home states right now.

  33. The NFL doesn't build or own stadiums. by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

    The stadiums are built and owned by the teams and/or the communities in which they play.

    The NFL is a league made up of teams, and does not own the teams or the assets of the teams. Think of it as a trade group for professional football teams.

  34. While we all have holes in our heads by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    ...since "Redskins" is so harmful and offensive, how about we also ban the word 'nigger' from use in media?

    Which billion-dollar business is using that name? Bueller? Bueller?

    1. Re:While we all have holes in our heads by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      I can think of a billion-dollar segment of the recording industry that's pretty much predicated on the use of the word in every album they produce, is that good enough?

      Top 10 Rap Songs On Billboard.com as of 09/25/2013:

      Jay-Z ft. Justin Timberlake â" Holy Grail
      Number of âoeNiggaâ Occurrences: 9
      Eminem â" Berzerk
      Number of âoeNiggaâ Occurrences: 0
      Macklemore & Ryan Lewis â" Same Love
      Number of âoeNiggaâ Occurrences: 0
      4: Macklemore & Ryan Lewis â" Canâ(TM)t Hold Us
      Number of âoeNiggaâ Occurrences: 0
      J. Cole â" Crooked Smile ft. TLC
      Number of âoeNiggaâ Occurrences: 2
      Sage The Gemini ft. IamSu â" Gas Pedal
      Number of âoeNiggaâ Occurrences: 4
      Big Sean ft. Lil Wayne, Jhene Aiko â" Beware
      Number of âoeNiggaâ Occurrences: 2
      Rich Homie Quan â" Type of Way
      Number of âoeNiggaâ Occurrences: 3
      Macklemore & Ryan Lewis ft. Wanz â" Thrift Shop
      Number of âoeNiggaâ Occurrences: 0
      Sage The Gemini â" Red Nose
      Number of âoeNiggaâ Occurrences: 1
      Bonus Track For Fun:
      Birdman & Lil Wayne ft. Fat Joe â" About All That
      Number of âoeNiggaâ Occurrences: 27

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      -Styopa
  35. Easy Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the stadiums use taxpayer money to be built then games played in that stadium by law shouldn't ever be blacked out.

  36. Take it away! by whitroth · · Score: 1

    The NFL, "non-profit"? Then so is Walmart.

                  mark, whose interest in sports approaches 0 as a limit, with the exception of two "sports", one of the American football,
                                          where it's in negative numbers

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    Shame about that kid who died playing the so-called sport

  37. Cheerleaders by k6mfw · · Score: 1

    What I find interesting is NFL cheerleaders are quite accomplished dancers of skills as demanding like for professional dancers on Broadway shows. Those I've met and read about have extensive dance training from ballet to modern, all needing to be in top physical shape. It's more than just looking good, you have to be ***good***. Auditions are demanding. Those who fail, cry. Those who get accepted, cry (all those years of training finally paid off). Once they are accepted, it doesn't get easier. Rehearsals and choreography is demanding, some candidates get washed out because they cannot project that "show presentation" (they either have "it" or they don't). Choreographers know what "it" is when they see it but cannot describe it.

    Unlike NFL football players, cheerleaders don't make the big bucks. I read they have to be employed or a student in college. Raising a child is equivalent to being employed. They get some compensation per game. I guess those that pursue this occupation do it for the experience.

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    mfwright@batnet.com
  38. money by webdragon · · Score: 2

    I wonder who the NFL forgot to bribe this season?

  39. BS. This is telling citzens to bend over... by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    ...a second time after first paying for the stadium that the billion-dollar business is playing in. Fuck that. Taxpayers should be getting into the arena they paid for for free, much less not have to deal with blackouts.

  40. Selective memory by s.petry · · Score: 1

    There were a good number of founding fathers who were against slavery and fought pretty hard to make it illegal. Of course those people harm your biased opinion so you ignored them and made a false generalization.

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    -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

  41. United Way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is why, when forced to turn in a donation card, I would donate a single time donation of $1. My hope was that it cost them $2 to process it.

    Once I designated my church as the recipient, for a $50 donation. Someone told me that designated funds had to actually be given to the designee, instead of used for overhead UW expenses. I intended to follow up with the church treasurer to see if it actually got there, but I wound up moving out of town before I had the chance.

  42. Selective projection by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    None of which does anything to change the fact that slavery was written into the Constitution, or that you're blatantly ignoring everything else I mentioned: protection of business interests outside slavery and making sure the common people had no say in their governance. Right after starting a war with the slogan "no taxation without representation".

    Physician, heal thy biased elitist self.

    1. Re:Selective projection by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Your generalization fallacy was wrong, get over it.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

  43. How about insurer's exemption? by jrclay · · Score: 1

    Let's not forget the vintage 1945 McCarran-Ferguson Act, 15 U.S.C. 1011-1015, and its exemption from federal anti-trust laws of insurance companies. Why? Because "the continued regulation and taxation by the several States of the business of insurance is in the public interest . . . ." Not sure about your state, but mine could not stop the price fixers in 2007. Companies were still too stupid to do the math, so we bail out AIG. Think they love you because of the tv commercials? Right. Those premiums are based on value, not collusion to jack 'em up across the board and divide the market. Right.

  44. No taxes by Gruff+2005 · · Score: 1

    Why isn't the NFL taxed like any other big business? These teams can afford to pay players millions of dollars yet they are tax exempt. What the Fuck is going on here?