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GlaxoSmithKline Released 45 Liters of Live Polio Virus
ferespo sends this news out of Belgium: As reported to ECDC by Belgian authorities, on 2 September 2014, following a human error, 45 liters of concentrated live polio virus solution were released into the environment by the pharmaceutical company GlaxoSmithKline in Rixensart city, Belgium. The liquid was conducted directly to a water-treatment plant (Rosieres) and released after treatment in river Lasne affluent of river Dyle which is affluent of the Escaut/Scheldt river. Belgium's High Council of Public Health conducted a risk assessment that concluded that the risk of infection for the population exposed to the contaminated water is extremely low due to the high level of dilution and the high vaccination coverage (95%) in Belgium.
Enough said.
And see what happens ...
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... palace guard. Some sort of possibly armed unit that literally controls who has the virus from one moment to the next.
That sounds extreme but consider what the virus can do and what it could mean. The scientists clearly aren't taking their responsibilities seriously here. Every month we get another report of another fuck up with some horrible plague.
Here someone will say they don't like my idea for some reason... fine... then you have a solution that works as well or better. I'm not married to my idea. I just want this crap to stop happening yesterday.
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I can't imagine any.
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That Wolf Blitzer has at the moment. Between this and Ebola, CNN has the next few months of programming on a silver platter.
But haven't we eradicated polio? Of what use, then, is cultivating concentrated polio?
versus the economic reality if any of those calculations turns out to be optimistic.
terrorists when you have companies working hard to keep Fear alive...
How the fuck does this even happen? What were they doing with a ANY number of liters of polio near the water?
It was intentional nihilism on the behalf of those involved. Why? Overpopulation. Push vaccines.
Can anyone explain why a pharmaceutical company is doing ANYTHING near a water treatment facility?
For us Belgians, this news happened more than a month ago.
Up to now, we still haven't heard anything about any people getting infected with polio.
Enjoy.
Goodnight
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Should have released it in LA where there is a higher % of population that is choosing to opt out of vaccination.
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45 liters, even concentrated, of polio virus does not pose great danger, especially since it went into a modern sewage treatment facility. I am a polio victim myself, got it in 1966, 10 years after Salk released the vaccine in USA, but I was in rural South India with very very poor sanitary conditions. All through high school in every class I had another polio victim, typical class sizes are 50 to 60 in India at that time. So it works out to some 4% of the sample population (account for survivor bias, the dead victims did not make it into this sample). I was lucky, lost just part functionality in one leg. Right now in the slums of India, Pakisan and Bangladesh people are living constantly exposed to polio and still the infection rate is not all that high. So we need not go hyperbolic with this news.
Let us not underreact
We are giving more and more rights to the corporations, equating money with speech and even religious beliefs to corporations. But when it comes to criminal penalties they get to use limited liability corporation laws. Do not go after the underlings. Top management should not be able to create policy documents on one hand, then create incentive systems that encourage the violation of the same policies, and claim immunity, "Well, that employee violated our own established policy. It is her fault. Don't you think of touching my bonus!". Nominal financial penalties for those who were negligent are in order. But extraordinary penalties, amounting to all the pay and bonuses collected by the upper management in the last five or ten years should be assessed. Their performance review policies should be reviewed, and if they have practices that create perverse incentives to violate their own corporate policies, even harsher penalties are in order.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
Homeopaths claim that a very diluted concentration of something harmful can actually be used to treat the symptoms it causes. So GlaxoSmithKline has just created the most potent homeopathic remedy for polio known to man!
Would have been useful to takeout all the mindless celebrities who don't vaccinate their children and thus assure a healthier society for us all.
... palace guard. Some sort of possibly armed unit that literally controls who has the virus from one moment to the next.
Right. Because this expensive and complicated solution would have prevented all zero of the infections that resulted from this release.
a bigger penalty for the kind of plastic container the glop was in.
It appears that someone accidentally dumped the wrong bucket down the drain .
From that, you infer:
> create incentive systems that encourage the violation of the same policies, and claim immunity, ... Nominal financial penalties for those who were negligent are in order. But extraordinary penalties, amounting to all the pay and bonuses collected by the upper management in the last five or ten years should be assessed.
At this point, we have no idea what policies were in place, what the incentives were, or how upper management is going to respond.
As far as we know, upper management could have had monthly safety audits, with large bonuses to staff every time they got a perfect score on the audit, and clear penalties for any infraction. As far as we know, while management was doing a superb job, one of the staff scientists came in with a horrible hangover and the first thing they did was clean up their work area by dumping out the "cleaning solution " they had been using the day before. Or maybe it was the opposite. We don't know. We really have no idea what happened at this point. In many workplaces I'm familiar with , the most likely cause would be that management chose policies that involved being so extremely careful that it got to be a pain in the ass, so staff started to ignore some of the policies because it was annoying to spend so much time on it, with 30 minutes of safety procedures required to perform a two minute task.
Clearly this is a conspiracy by BigAutism to get people to vaccinate in order to force them to get autism.
Okay, now it would be extremely risky for a pharmaceutical company to do this on purpose, but I can't help wondering what this did to their sales of polio vaccine booster shots...
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I think the real danger is not that little Timmy is going to go swimming and drink some polio, but that it is possible (however unlikely, IANA virologist) for the released polio virus to find a reservoir in some of the local wildlife and cause further trouble at a later date.
Corporations do not shield people from criminal liability, only civil liability. Incorporating has never, every, shielded anyone from criminal liability. It is harder to prosecute, in the same way that it's harder to prosecute individuals in a riot. However, there is no shielding of criminal liability.
Yep, so we should only implement controls after the bad stuff happens.
This sort of malfeasance on GlaxoSmithKline's part merits the corporate death penalty. Dissolve the corporation, confiscate its physical assets to pay for the cleanup and any medical expenses that arise as a result of the spill, and release its copyrights and patents into the public domain.
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If this was reported immediately, the sewerage plant could increase their chlorine injection to far higher levels than usual. Chlorine will destroy polio virus. Sewerage plants usually chlorinate at a modest level to kill bacteria, but in an emergency like this, they can easily crank the levels way up. Sewerage plants are constantly adjusting their systems depending on what's coming in.
If the safety people at GlaxoSmithKlein, or whoever this was reported to, called the plant operator at the sewer plant, there would have been immediate agreement to crank up chlorination levels, and sampling would have been started at the sewerage plant. The reports, which indicate after the fact analysis, indicate that didn't happen.
What bad stuff happened?
The solution to pollution is dilution.
How is it even legal for GlaxoSmithKlein to own LITERS of polio?
Yes, lets punish 99,000 workers with job loss for the mistake of one.
This article reminds me of another article posted on slashdot that discussed a bioengineered virus that a scientist created. It was far more deadly than a regular strain of what it was based off of. Does anyone remember that story and have a link? I always post AC and remember I asked a question wondering what the purpose of taking risks in creating such a thing. Humans make stupid mistakes like what happened in this article.
They should do that in the US to kill off all the anti-vax-tards.
Actually my idea would have stopped this release as well as... all of the improper releases of plague samples over the last few decades.
How exactly is a scientist going to dump plague samples if a guard tasked exclusively with ensuring the samples are contained is watching over those samples at all times they're not under his lock and key?
Could the scientist AND the guard collude to release them? Sure. And by that logic the soldiers tasked with manning our nuclear arsenal could fire them off at any time. That doomsday system for example is using a variation on my concept.
How many nuclear missiles have we accidentally launched over the years?
Explain how my concept doesn't solve the problem please.
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The links aren't very informative.
Is it one of the weakened strains that's used for making oral polio vaccine? Those aren't terribly dangerous as they're already given orally to kids. They also tend to be present in the water in the areas oral vaccine is still given, as people shed the vaccine strain virus as they are building immunity.
Is it a full up wild type polio that might be used at some stage of making the injected vaccine?
And that's just a couple of questions I've got. Details makes a difference.
We are regularly told that advanced Western nations shouldn't worry about Ebola, because we have advanced Western medicine, and aren't like those poor and primitive African nations. And then things like this happen. Or the recent CDC biohazard scandals. Or the hospital in Texas, just trained about Ebola, sends a recent arrival from Liberia who is showing symptoms back to his relatives with some antibiotics. And then, after he vomits on the sidewalk on the way back to the hospital, people without protective gear "clean it up" with a pressure hose, while a sandal-wearing woman walks by . And they reuse the ambulance before they decontaminate it. And the family violates their quarantine.
So when Top Men tell us there's no danger of an outbreak here, I am not reassured.
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Point one, it's deactivated, not diluted.
Point two, it isn't diluted to the point where it's statistically pure water.
But apart from that, you're 100% correct.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
> That is where the company cut costs. That is where perverse incentives come in. The top honchos will have a policy directive that says "you must follow these procedures to handle viruses classified as ABC". Then do not hire enough people to enforce the policy
Biohazards are classified as level 1 through level 4. Polio is a level 2. Procedures are set by international agreements.
I see that while you know something about polio, you know nothing about how biohazards are classified or how the procedures are developed, much less how those standards were enforced at this lab. Based on your utter and complete lack of knowledge about the situation, you've completely made things up in your own head and you're ready to crucify the first person you see.
Just me?
For a start, it's a bit of a worry that a official report can't even get spelling right. 'affluent'? Try effluent (the original report does however not say 'Liters', there is no such unit of measure). :-)
Or maybe it's not an error and the report is suggesting that it was an attack on rich people, with the virus being 'released in the affluent'.
Lt William Calley got off with the "Nuremberg defense" that he was only following orders, while his superiors got off with the defense that "Hey, I was just giving orders, I didn't actually shoot anyone myself."
Don't forget: ShanghaiBill (739463) got off by telling this story for the dozenth time (cartoon re-enactment).
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Disclaimer: Anonymous Coward does not condone any of the atrocities committed during WWII. I'm just trying to lighten things up a bit.
Glaxo makes drugs. Polio is treated by drugs. This sounds like a win/win for Glaxo! Now if some person had released 45 liters of concentrated live polio virus into the water supply, that might be considered a successful act of terrorism, but Glaxo is a corporation, so everyone should see that it's different!
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Maybe because it's not them der evil "scientists" doing anything you fuckwit. Each time it's been a CLERICAL error. Jeebus-allah-budha, education up to at least 12th grade is free pretty much everywhere, and hasn't been dumbed down QUITE to that level yet.
Explain how my concept doesn't solve the problem please.
Because there's no problem. This article is mostly clickbait.
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...and all this time I thought Johnnie Cochran was dead. Right on Bro!
Actually my idea would have stopped this release as well as... all of the improper releases of plague samples over the last few decades.
So why haven't you patented the ide...oh, never mind.
Explain how my concept doesn't solve the problem please.
because dogecoin. (you're welcome)
You know good n goddamned well what bad stuff could have happened. Just because it didn't this time means jack fucking squat.
so if you're not in charge your ideas are automatically bad? ... yawn... so many morons.
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Since this happened a month ago, you should have included the followup story about possible infected shellfish...
Yeah! Let's just throw some Corexit in with the polio.
The Country I live in the United States, failed a qaurentine. This will infect 100's , of corse they will tell us.
Clarify your position. You were so busy making a joke that you failed to make a clear point.
Please rephrase.
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You obviously don't work with too many security guards, it's the kind of job a lot of people take after being fired from Walmart or McDonalds. Introduce one of these bozos into the mix and you've just quintupled the likelihood of a catastrophic release.
"Think about how stupid the average person is. Now, realise that half of them are dumber than that." - George Carlin
Explain how my concept doesn't solve the problem please.
Because giving a bunch of humans a boring,monotonous job doesn't solve the problem of humans making errors, which is what caused this release in the first place.
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Said a GlaxoSmithKline represntative to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
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And as the story behind the Bin laden raid showed, they were actually right. Doctor and other first aid responder profession should never be used in spying as it saw distrust and can worsen aid response. That they were used as spie and still are , is another indictment on some (not only the US) superpower disgusting policies and tactics.
Oh, you mean the 'vaccination' for the disease (polio) which they conveniently RENAMED as OTHER diseases, and changed the very definition of, after they 'invented' their so-called 'vaccine' for polio?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/vaccine-fraud-the-polio-elimination-by-vaccine-hoax.html
yawn... so many morons.
Agreed!
Nah, just have a small squad of armed personnel, ready to go and shoot anyone who fucks up like GSK did, along with shooting the management-team.
That should fix things after 2-3 incidents..
GSK manager in charge of polio vaccines - EU lobby to limit each states power to set pricing failed, GSK manager out on a limb, need a few million by EoY to get his bonus, his gf is threatening to tell his wife if he doesn't buy her a Maserati.
So, he orders 45 liters of it to be thrown away, arranged it to look like an accident... hopes for the best.
You'd be surprised, most things in life are decided for these reasons.
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Nah, they'll just cover it up. You have to have the samples actively controlled by someone with a job that is specifically to control the samples and nothing else.
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Then clearly factory assembly lines don't work... Thanks for just very quickly pointing out you're stupid. It makes this much more efficient.
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Sure, they released a vast quantity of polio virus into the river.
but i once farted in an elevator.
same thing.
Horrible and sad news!!! Poor viruses!
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These are hilarious!! I actually laughed OUT LOUD at this one!!
You guys are cracking me up! I know it has nothing to do with the article but the feedback made my day! (I'm just a 10-s playin' woman reading about the world - don't eat me alive)!
That company ought to be up on attempted murder charges...most,of you did not live through the age of The March of Dimes Campaign when iron lungs kept tens of thousands alive in a terrible state. I am outraged..
good way to keep the business goin' eh?
There is a shortage of trained and competent people, worldwide, already. I'm a physical security professional, I've worked with a lot of good security personnel, and a lot more really, really bad. The really, really bad tend to be much cheaper and more plentiful. In the real world, which do you think chemical and drug companies are going to end up using?
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doubly agreed. why wait til something bad happens to fix policies. blame Obama and move along. oh it's in Belgium? I herd his great step uncle is from Belgium. non passport having SOB :/
like Umbrella Corp did. then when shit hits the fan, they'll leave the soldiers to fend for themselves while we all yell brainsssssss
I don't think the chemical and drug companies are going to hire them. By concept is that they would be assigned and the accepting that oversight would come with accepting the samples.
Look, you're so hostile to the concept that I don't feel comfortable sharing ideas. I'm just spit balling here and you're making no attempt to be constructive.
So let us just assume you disagree and move on.
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