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Former Department of Defense Chief Expects "30 Year War"
HughPickens.com writes Susan Page writes at USA Today that Leon Panetta, former head of the CIA and Secretary of the Department of Defense, says Americans should be braced for a long battle against the brutal terrorist group Islamic State that will test U.S. resolve. "I think we're looking at kind of a 30-year war," says Panetta, one that will have to extend beyond Islamic State to include emerging threats in Nigeria, Somalia, Yemen, Libya and elsewhere. Panetta also says that decisions made by President Obama over the past three years have made that battle more difficult — an explosive assessment by a respected policymaker of the president he served. Not pushing the Iraqi government harder to allow a residual US force to remain when troops withdrew in 2011, a deal he says could have been negotiated with more effort "created a vacuum in terms of the ability of that country to better protect itself, and it's out of that vacuum that ISIS began to breed." It is no surprise to Panetta that the assessment in his new book "Worthy Fights: A Memoir of Leadership in War and Peace" is drawing White House ire. "Look, I've been a guy who's always been honest," Panetta says. "I've been honest in politics, honest with the people that I deal with. I've been a straight talker. Some people like it; some people don't like it. But I wasn't going to write a book that kind of didn't express what I thought was the case."
but, they will clear the way for "i told you so" Hillary in 2016. Washington (AFP) - Former Pentagon chief Leon Panetta has denounced the White House... http://news.yahoo.com/obama-te...
Your both wrong the democrats and the republicans are exactly the same. They are just two sides of a authoritarian expansionist kleptocratic coin.
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Is this a technology site or some kind of political blog. What has happened?
What? You nuts? How should the military industry complex benefit from that?
Why the fuck do you think we went on this eternal war? To end up with peace again?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Reagan was a moderate Republican. People don't remember those much because just like the moderate Democrat they're pretty much extinct. Everything is extremism now.
We learned from first world war that leaving a vacuum in defeated countries and making them fend for themselves is a recipe for disaster.
I think he's referring to the Thirty Years' War.
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Pull out.
We've bankrupted our nation to pay for a war that was waged on false pretenses, bankrupted our nation, and corrupted our spirit. What more do we need to pay for a complete failure to accomplish anything other than creating political instability in both nations we invaded?
Reagan was a moderate Republican. People don't remember those much because just like the moderate Democrat they're pretty much extinct. Everything is extremism now.
True Reagan negotiated, compromised and made deals with Democrats. For example he made a compromise with Democrats on the budget, that new spending would be followed by budget cuts. Reagan got his new spending but the Democrats never got around to the budget cuts. And then the Democrats attacked Reagan for a growing deficit. Its things like this that contributed to the modern era of mistrust and extremism. Whether it was a trick by the Democratic leadership or simply a leadership that was ineffective and couldn't fulfill its promises I don't know.
No the problem is the USA is targeted the wrong target. You can't stop ISIS with bombs. You can't stop Al queada with bombs.
You can't stop them with guns or bullets. you can't kill them all.
It is like Afgahanistan in the 1980's the CIA got the Afghan's to fight the Soviets. then the USA left which let an entire generation become jihadists. You are fighting Ideas. You are trying to prevent the Sunni- Shitte war that has been brewing for Centuries.
The USA needs to step up and develop alternative energy sources so we don't need middle east oil and let them kill each other. Once the Middle east begins to use up their oil reserves(and that is many decades away) the fighting will stop. Actually it will get far worse for a while, but it will eventually stop.
However once the USA and Europe doesn't need their oil anymore they will stop caring and let the idiots slaughter each other.(any group fighting over religion is automatically an idiot)
i thought once I was found, but it was only a dream.
Wrong. We have the ability to eliminate absolutely every living thing in the middle east fairly easily. The few that are here would be easily dealt with after that. Libcucks are the only reason this is still going on.
All meaningless crap.
Saddam did not violate any ceasefire agreements in anyway that mattered to US interests.
Yeah, the US hates dictators. You have to got to be fucking kidding.
"The fault, however, is not in invading in the first place,"
Killing thousands upon thousands of people using a bunch of lies as the justification pretty much dooms the operation to failure from the beginning. Nobody is going to like that, and if nobody likes an invasion, it's going to fail. Also, killing innocent people is wrong all by itself. There's a reason starting wars is considered a criminal act.
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Funny, that's exactly what created ISIS, and every other renegade group that hates the US. Why would the exact same tactic that has never worked in 60 years suddenly work now?
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This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when first he appears as a protector - Plato (423 to 327 BC)
There's a false dichotemy. Everyone's moved to the right to the point that Mitt Romney's quite successful healthcare program is considered "socialist" if you attach Obama's name to it (actual socialized medicine is quite different)
There is no left any more. Obama's continued warmongering is the best evidence.
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Bzzz! Lying substitution #1: I said nothing about "mattered to US interests". Only that he did violate the agreement. This is an important distinction, because we can spend years arguing, what the "US interests are" exactly, whereas the fact of violation of agreements stands.
Bzzz! Lying substitution #2: I sad mad dictators. Pinochet — our kind of dictator — for example, not only stepped down voluntarily (what sort of tyrant does that?), but also left his country as the South America's top economy.
Bzzz! Lie #3. We did not kill "thousands upon thousands". The vast majority of deaths of Iraqis were — and continue to be — at the hands of other Iraqis. We killed very few, taking thousands of POWs — and releasing them promptly after we prevailed. The various counters deliberately omit this important distinction — either because it makes their efforts look silly, or because they sincerely can not. Either way, the fact remains — we took the country over very swiftly and shed relatively little blood.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
It's not actually necessary to nuke anyone. But you won't have a lasting peace in the middle east without reducing the injustice.
The USA was founded on the principle of government of the people, by the people, for the people. And by "the people" the founders meant ordinary people - that the USA would be different from Europe where ordinary people were being exploited for the benefit of a small hereditary ruling class. Fundamentally, it's about individual freedom - that a person should not be artificially limited by the circumstances of their birth. Not that the USA always lived up to that ideal - e.g. slavery.
So that means two things. First, that USA needs take a stand for democracy and stop supporting hereditary dictatorships - even if those dictatorships are beneficial to a few rich Americans (e.g. the Bushes). Second, the USA needs to take a stand against all racial, religious and ethnic discrimination in the middle east. And that includes Israel. It's a nice fantasy it's possible to discriminate in favor of a particular group without discriminating against everyone else. But you can't. It's not possible to have a "whites only" (or even "whites mostly") drinking fountain that doesn't discriminate against people who aren't white. To put it bluntly Israel would need to outlaw absolutely all discrimination against people who aren't Jewish.
We live in a world where it's technologically possible to hop on a jet plane and be literally on the opposite side of the planet in 20-30 hours. We live in a world where it's technologically possible for a Palestinian to go live in Japan and eat palak paneer while wearing a sombrero and listening to Beethoven. But politically we are still limited by the circumstances of our birth - the notion that someone born within some arbitrary little geographical boundary should be constrained to live out their entire life within that boundary - perhaps even that the people should be constrained to live in the same little region as their distant ancestors and that they should have to eat the same food and wear the same clothes and believe the same things as their distant ancestors.
There is little awareness of the benefits of taking the good from a variety of different cultures. Instead there is this simplistic desire to paint one culture as entirely good and all other cultures as entirely bad - and to then imagine some global conflict between the "good" culture and all the other "bad" cultures - where the fate of humanity rests on the "good" culture obliterating the "bad" cultures. In the end, the goal should be for the middle east to look something like the European Union - where people are free to live and work and travel throughout the region regardless of which particular country they were born in - or their race or religion or ethnicity or who their parents were.
The US military industrial complex created them, the US military industrial complex fights them and the US military industrial complex keeps them going. It has spent years goading Russia to try and kick over the cold war again and is now poking China as well. The US military industrial complex runs around the war trying to put out fires with a flame thrower and then blaming everyone else when they fail at it.
Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
The no-fly zones enforced by those aircraft were part of the cease-fire agreement.
Nope. Not until we promise Russia to not fly over certain areas ourselves and agree (however grudgingly) to allow them to enforce it.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Hey, you are right. Russia had every reason to steal part of Georgia. And Crimea, they were told to that by the U.S. military industrial complex, they've long been known to take orders from it. Ukraine? Same story, there's no history. And Taiwan? The U.S. m.i.c. moved Chaing there after the war just to give China a foil. The S. China Sea? China has long been taking orders direct from the U.S. to steal it. Islamo-Fascism? Why that's just another CIA plot, nothing home grown about it. Gee, now that I get to look at the world through your eyes, there's just nothing for which the U.S. is not responsible.
No it isn't, no more than christiantity.
Seriously, meet a few muslems before you parrot lines off groups that have been looking for another demon to finance the MIC, and often had a hand in creating (Al Quaeda, orginally financed by the US to fight the commie threat.. etc).
95% of muslems want exactly what most 1st worlders want, a safe place to raise, feed and educate their children, and hopefully some opportunity for those children to do better.
He tried to kill me with a forklift!