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Robot SmackDowns Wants To Bring Robot Death Matches To an Arena Near You

Business Insider profiles Andrew Stroup, Gui Cavalcanti and Matt Oehrlein, who are trying to get off the ground a robot competition league, called Robot SmackDowns. The idea, as you might guess from the name, is to showcase violence and drama to draw on the crowd-appeal of wrestling, NASCAR, and monster truck rallies: this is definitely not Dean Kamen's FIRST — it's giant mechanical beasts shooting at and otherwise trying to destroy each other. And it's not quite right to call them robots in the usual sense; they're more like mecha: "In a MegaBots battle, a two-member team sits inside the bot's upper torso, where the controls systems are housed. Although the co-founders assure me that the pilot and gunner are well protected inside, the situation presents a heightened suspense. Each 15,000-pound robot is equipped with six-inch cannons inside its arms that fire paint-filled missiles and cannon balls at 120 miles per hour. Good aim can cause enough damage to jam its opponent's weapons system or shoot off a limb." They'll be launching a Kickstarter campaign soon; according to the article, "Assuming it raises enough money to build a fleet, [the company's] plan is to take the bots on the road. They will tour the country, face off in epic battles against other MegaBots, and build a fan base. Stroup says (without giving specifics) networks have reached out and will closely watch how MegaBot, Inc.'s upcoming Kickstarter campaign performs. The possibilities for distribution seem endless, though the team is tight-lipped about the exact direction it's headed."

82 comments

  1. tech, money, competition first by globaljustin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    everyone wants a fighting robot league...it's like jetpacks, hover boards, and other stuff featured in sci fi depictions of "the future"

    fighting robots are awesome...this is not in dispute...

    here are the 3 most salient factors as to when we will have a fighting robots league:

    1. technology...especially materials science...we've gotten to the point conceptually that we can model any form of robot, but it's making the materials stand the stress, and batteries to power it...those are our limitations now

    2. $$$...fighting robots are expensive...a league needs money

    3. competition > PR...they have to be the opposite of MLS or WWE...this has to be done right and not over marketed or over simplified (how it can go wrong: something like the random narrator voice in Mythbusters)

    this is your formula for a robot fighting league

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    1. Re:tech, money, competition first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your criteria are met, the robots will be adept enough to take over. I prefer watching old men drive old cars into each other. Reminds me of my human superiority.

    2. Re: tech, money, competition first by craigminah · · Score: 1

      ...they really didn't want your father to seal his table...

    3. Re: tech, money, competition first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mine is too, but she loved hearing us describe Robot Wars. I guess my grandmother is better than yours. Your grandmother sounds like one of those racist Republicans that wants us dead.

  2. Which quote to use? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm torn between "We spared no expense" and "God help us, we're in the hands of engineers".

    Are these the first steps toward the wars of the future?

  3. Battletech IRL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why stop here? Can we please just outfit them with real guns and explosives, make them remote controlled and duke it out somewhere far far away from humans?

    1. Re:Battletech IRL by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Why stop there? Can we just put everything in a virtual environment where there's no physical limits, no expenses and the robots could duke it out without damaging anything in real life?

    2. Re:Battletech IRL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell yeah! Let DARPA (or maybe Brawndo) sponsor competitions in which anyone, from "garage inventors" to major Department of Defense contractors, can participate. To keep it vaguely fair, the league can be divided into different tiers. I'd join my company's team if we can fight Booz Allen, those whitepaper pushing pansies! They'd be helpless against us!

    3. Re:Battletech IRL by ooshna · · Score: 1

      What's the fun in that?

    4. Re:Battletech IRL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the fun in that?

      Human beings inside a robot shooting objects at 120MPH.

      What could possibly go wrong?

      Have fun battling the "won't someone think of the children" crowd. Cue the lawsuits in 3..2..

    5. Re: Battletech IRL by He+Who+Has+No+Name · · Score: 1

      BattleTech is so awesome, there's actually a core canon novel that addresses that concern about the Solaris arenas. It's called "assumption of risk".

      Short version: if you know something can kill you, and you do it anyway because you want to, if you die, it's your fault.

    6. Re: Battletech IRL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Woohoo! I csn finally get my Marauder 5L in real life. Now someone needs to develop fusion engines, Particle projection cannons, jump jets, and neuro helmets and I can die a happy man.

    7. Re:Battletech IRL by Optali · · Score: 1

      Right.

      What's the fun?

      Why isn't everybody doing virtual boxing? I mean, mate, WTF? Why would I be hitting a virtual heavy bag 30 minute a day?

      I want the REAL thing, and if I could I would like to be in one the these getting real bruises, getting really exhausted, smelling the smell of metal (I loved the scent of grease on metal)....

      FUCK!!! I can't wait !!!! I want this shit right now!!

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  4. Robot??? I don't need no steeenking robots! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    In what sense can an armed and armored mechanical vehicle operated by a human pilot and human gunner be termed a "robot"?

    Such things were new in France a century ago.

  5. Durrrrr! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why even have people inside? Make the whole thing remotely controlled.

    Oh, I know, "drama"... pfffft, lemmings

  6. Kickstarter is our maze.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..and you get to be corporate America's labrats.

    "networks have reached out and will closely watch how MegaBot, Inc.'s upcoming Kickstarter campaign performs."

    Let's see how many gullible saps throw their own money away before we gladhand our way in with millions and 'kickstart"' them to the curb. Anyone remember Ouya? Oh yeah..

  7. Ripoff by Soron · · Score: 2

    seems like a ripoff of Robot Combat League that was on Sci-fi -1-2 years back

    1. Re:Ripoff by captjc · · Score: 2

      1-2 years? This was going on for a while. I remember watching Battle Bots on Comedy Central (Vlad The Impaler FTW) back around 2004. There was on on the Discovery Channel around the same time as well (Robotica, I think?), each with all types of merchandising behind it. Hell, Robot Wars was started in the early-mid 90's

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  8. Uh, we already went through this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With the Battlebots/Robot Wars of the '90s. They quickly settled into two robot designs, the flipper and the spinner, that basically always ended up with the same result, the flippers usually won.

    Let's hope they make it so there's enough chaos and variability so there are more than two equilibrium points with the robots.

    But what made those old shows fun was that almost anyone could join, not just people with the deepest pockets. A 15000 pound robot isn't something everyone can afford, the material cost alone, never mind where you're gonna put the stupid thing.

    Sure, I guess there's just going to be a really big 3D printer there and the teams just email their designs before each fight, right?

    1. Re:Uh, we already went through this by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      Back when BattleBots was the thing, I considered building one... but you hit on all the major problems, which were only slightly less intractable back then.

      To have any chance of making it past preliminary trials, the robot would have to be somewhat successful. That ruled out most of my creative designs. Even making a boring spinner still would have cost a hefty portion of my paycheck, and the required workspace wouldn't have fit comfortably in my apartment. Transporting the thing would have presented more logistics challenges, and even if I'd solved those, the time and hassle to build something just to be torn apart was a pretty steep expense.

      Fighting robots is not an everyman's sport. It's a more modern fox hunt.

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    2. Re:Uh, we already went through this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I feel that you have totally mssed the real issue that made BattleBots suck. Bots are gonna have metal armor.
      Any weapon that could defeat metal armor can also kill or maim spectators, or destroy tv cameras or the arena.

      So in the interest of safety and general risk-aversion, they banned any weapon that could possibly damage an armored bot. The result was a boring turtle-fest where a bunch of slow-moving metal horseshoe crabs wobble around in circles without hurting eachother. They tried to spice it up by awarding points for aggression, but this just encourages fake aggression in form of obviously ineffectual attacks.

      In order for this to not suck, they need to allow real weapons - 50-cal machine guns, missiles with high-explosive warheads, metal-eating acids, that sort of thing. And to do that, they need to ditch the spectators, and put the arena at the bottom of an abandoned quarry a mile from any inhabited area.

    3. Re:Uh, we already went through this by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      Recall the battlebots episode of Malcolm in the Middle when Walter White got way too into it and came up with the ultimate weapon; a bee cannon. Not aimed at the other robot, but at the human controller.

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  9. The best I have seen so far was on Sci Fi channel by OzPeter · · Score: 1

    The Robot Combat League was fairly interesting given the limitations of the machinery that they are using.

    The technology of Robot Smack Downs would have to surpass that of the Robot Combat League by a pretty large margin before it became half decent, and I don't see that happening any time soon.

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  10. Re:Robot??? I don't need no steeenking robots! by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    No need to throw your sabots into the whole process.

  11. Remote controlled cars aren't robots by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Slapping some armour and an axe onto an RC car doesn't make it a robot; it is just an RC car with anger management issues. For a real robot battle the robots should be fully autonomous; they enter the ring, are activated, and have at each other. I suspect that the first generation would mostly just go straight into a corner and hack at the wall. But with enough prise money AI routines would start to creep in and then it could get interesting. I would love to see them adapt to damage, or take advantage of their opponent's damage.

    The only sad part would be if this is where genuine AI was born.

    1. Re:Remote controlled cars aren't robots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slapping some armour and an axe onto an RC car doesn't make it a robot; it is just an RC car with anger management issues. For a real robot battle the robots should be fully autonomous; they enter the ring, are activated, and have at each other. I suspect that the first generation would mostly just go straight into a corner and hack at the wall. But with enough prise money AI routines would start to creep in and then it could get interesting. I would love to see them adapt...

      Er, "adapt"?

      Oh, you mean the AI gets smart enough to realize that humans put them inside this cage to fight, and it's much more satisfying to neutralize the weak species instead?

      Do me and the rest of humanity a favor and knock it off with this shit.

      I'd like to ensure we remain a species on this planet. The way we're going we'll destroy ourselves in 30 years for the fun of it because of idiotic ideas like this that will run wild.

      Not to mention I expect governments to be drooling over this shit like it's a real-life Iron Man for the battlefield. This is merely beta testing.

    2. Re:Remote controlled cars aren't robots by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      You and those that modded you up didn't even read the summary did you?

    3. Re:Remote controlled cars aren't robots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, this isn't Robot Wars. RTFA.

    4. Re: Remote controlled cars aren't robots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is essentially paintball in a mecha.

  12. No battlebots tag by Khyber · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is how you know the current site demographic is just too young.

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    1. Re:No battlebots tag by Khyber · · Score: 1

      I remember arguing with people here on Slashdot long ago that BattleTech never had an animated series.

      I bet those people still hold that belief. Yet they'll never know the Jade Falcon.

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    2. Re: No battlebots tag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clan scum! All hail Kurita!

    3. Re:No battlebots tag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After watching it you will STILL not know the Jade Falcon.

      That animated show was a joke! Never followed canon, not even the Clan wars stuff.

      If you want to know the Jade Falcons, read the Falcon Guard series of books by Robert Thurston.

      I've been hoping, year after year, that a good BattleTech movie would finally be made...yet they never seem to want to make one. Maybe they are worried about infringing the trademarks of the Robotech crew, since the majority of BattleTech stories include mechs based on the Robotech stuff (Marauder, Warhammer, Wasp, etc.).
      So far....Pacific Rim is probably the closest we'll ever come.

      Heck, even the live-action Gundam movie sucked!

  13. Piloted? by Dereck1701 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It looks interesting, but why in the world are they piloted mechs? Remote control them with a simulated cockpit so you don't have to make a bunch of convoluted rules so no one is injured. If things take off and the tech improves you can also ramp things up from a simple paintball game type setup to bots that can actually inflict damage.

    1. Re:Piloted? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or just run the whole thing in a simulator altogether.

    2. Re:Piloted? by Fwipp · · Score: 1

      Just play Unreal Tournament.

    3. Re:Piloted? by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      It looks interesting, but why in the world are they piloted mechs? Remote control them with a simulated cockpit so you don't have to make a bunch of convoluted rules so no one is injured. If things take off and the tech improves you can also ramp things up from a simple paintball game type setup to bots that can actually inflict damage.

      Because the mechs will likely be more valuable than the pilots. What better way to get them to be gentle than to stick them in the damned mech itself.

    4. Re:Piloted? by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      The closest thing to what you're describing was a 2013 SciFi series called http://www.syfy.com/robotcombatleague.

      They were hydraulically powered humanoid robots that beat on each other until either one of them stopped functioning or it went to the judges' decision.

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    5. Re: Piloted? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damage is simulated. The weapons are huge paintballs and limbs falling off and such are triggered by some algorithm that detects the amount of paint splatter or something. The exterior is a foam layer on top of metal that further simulates damage when struck by huge paint balls.

    6. Re:Piloted? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the mechs will likely be more valuable than the pilots.

      OSHA will say otherwise. All the (remote) pilots would need to keep them from going overboard is the threat of getting fired, and potentially prosecuted for willfully ignoring guidelines and destroying company property.

    7. Re:Piloted? by exploder · · Score: 1

      The closest thing to what you're describing was a 2013 SciFi series called http://www.syfy.com/robotcombatleague.

      They were hydraulically powered humanoid robots that beat on each other until either one of them stopped functioning or it went to the judges' decision.

      I just watched some highlights and man, is that lame. The robots have legs, and the legs move like they're walking, but the robots are actually just stuck on the end of big metal poles that move them around the ring.

      I understand that technology isn't to the point where a bipedal robot can balance itself while executing complex movements, let alone while something else is trying to knock it down. But what they have there is stupid enough that they just shouldn't have bothered.

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    8. Re:Piloted? by Dereck1701 · · Score: 1

      Hopefully this setup won't be as cheesy as Robot Combat League, while I didn't watch the show from the clips I've seen it was like a big version of "Rockem Sockem Robots, with fake sparks & some manufactured damage instead of a spring loaded head. While it sounds like this competition will have its own simulated damage hopefully it will be a lot more realistic and more quantifiable than the random whaling that seemed to be RCL.

  14. Re:Robot??? I don't need no steeenking robots! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Yeah, tanks a lot.

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  15. Not until they're sentient. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Robot death matches won't really be interesting until they become self-aware, and they realize we're having them kill each other for our amusement.

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    1. Re:Not until they're sentient. by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Robot death matches won't really be interesting until they become self-aware, and they realize we're having them kill each other for our amusement.

      If by interesting you mean a self-aware state that results in them realizing we humans are much more entertaining of a target, well...yeah, have fun.

    2. Re:Not until they're sentient. by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      interesting in the chinese sense of the term

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    3. Re:Not until they're sentient. by Dereck1701 · · Score: 2

      If you're referring to the "Chinese curse" "may you live in interesting times" you might want to look up its etymology. Apparently here has never been a similar widely used saying in Chinese history, our wide usage of it in the US appears to date back to Robert Kennedy using it in a speech. No one seems to be quite sure where he got it from.

    4. Re:Not until they're sentient. by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      Can't wait until we start creating self-aware artificial intelligences, so we can vivisect them then terminate them when we're done.

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    5. Re:Not until they're sentient. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (I 0xAm S0xArt0xAcus!) (NOP)

  16. I would MUCH rather see a new Junkyard Wars by toygeek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It was very entertaining, and fun to see people come up with brilliant (and not so brilliant) solutions.

  17. Death Matches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As long as these are real death matches, where the pilots of the losing team die actual deaths, it should make for a good show.

  18. Smackdowns? by qeveren · · Score: 2

    That's a terrible name. What are they, fourteen?

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    1. Re:Smackdowns? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'smackdown' is the name chosen by their future television partner, the television network formerly known as 'sci-fi channel'.

    2. Re:Smackdowns? by Nyder · · Score: 1

      That's a terrible name. What are they, fourteen?

      Seems like they are just stealing it from Friday Night Smackdown, a WWE show.

      I hope they have deep pockets, because I don't think WWE will let Smackdown be used without a fight.

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    3. Re:Smackdowns? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's see what those wrestlers can do to one of these mechs! That could be a fun show!

    4. Re:Smackdowns? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone has watched too much Pacific Rim.

      This is a horrible idea. There is significant risk of injury if real weaponry is being used. If real projectiles are in use, there is a significant chance of spectator injury. Maximum outputs and safety netting can help, but that would also impede the view.

  19. No battlebots tag by you-nix-boy · · Score: 1

    Or, Battletech.

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  20. One Must Fall: 2097 by mrprogrammerman · · Score: 1

    Anybody else remember this game? Sounds alot like it.

    1. Re:One Must Fall: 2097 by toygeek · · Score: 1

      Played this game a LOT when I was a teenager. Hopefully someone doesn't actually brain dump themselves into a bot!

    2. Re:One Must Fall: 2097 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I loved it too! This time it's watch-out-windows-time (and cows), as the suitable arena and the related, significant investments are not talked about in the summary.

      These days they could built an arena and broadcast the matches. Sound alone would be such that the live experience couldn't be replaced with the internet feed, so the people might actually come. Although, the business plan wouldn't be any different from an average theme park then.

    3. Re:One Must Fall: 2097 by klashn · · Score: 1

      Loved this game and I was just about to make your exact post :)

  21. Remote controlled cars aren't robots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I feel like this has nothing to do with "robots" as the submitted story pretty much outlined, I do not see this going anywhere, not because of that but because it will become redundantly repetitive, but then again you have idiots that keep going to fake wrestling shows, racing events, ect.
    However the other Robotic battle events died out, obviously they are still around but there were not enough people, TV channel(s). Those events or those that organized them thought their events would garner enough attention to become fan hoarding events.

    Really they stole it from a movie, and I doubt that it would garner any major fan/crowd base, it would be as stupid as watching paint ball competitions. B-O-R-I-N-G.... This is the crap that shouldn't be on kickstarter. But we live in a country of idiots so I wouldn't be surprised to watch it raise money then disappear soon after it gets started.

  22. Robot Jox, from the 1980s. by Animats · · Score: 1

    Somebody watched Robot Jox too many times.

  23. Robot Jox? by ogdenk · · Score: 1

    Battlebots was boring after the first season. This sounds more like Robot Jox or real-life Mechwarrior with restricted weaponry. Remember that movie? Yeah... guess I'm old now. Screw it, giant robots with humans in them shooting and beating the s**t out of each other sounds pretty cool to me! What the hell are you going to power it with though?

  24. Re: Fuck autorefresh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was anally raped by barb wire by a group of Germans. The tradition of raping people with barb wire is a long-standing German tradition.

  25. Re: Robot??? I don't need no steeenking robots! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My mother had a piece of barb wire stuck up her vagina by one of those Republicans while she was expecting me. Fortunately she didn't have an abortion which is what they wanted.

  26. Re:Robot??? I don't need no steeenking robots! by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

    No need to throw your sabots into the whole process.

    Indeed. But sabot rounds would be acceptable.

  27. So it's just like ... by RaccoonBandit · · Score: 1

    ... Robot Wars (as in the British television series back in the late 90s), except with people inside? I thought that was a pretty good show, but then, I was a teenager at the time, so of course I would think that.

  28. SWTOR AI for HK-51 + robot = ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now if there was some way to hook up SWTOR's combat system with HK-51 to these robots, and have players control them in real time, this could be cool.

  29. No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This enterprise does not have widespread mainstream appeal, and it never will. It is too geeky to succeed.

  30. Death robots, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  31. this could replace war by gzuckier · · Score: 1

    War has become too destructive of lives, yet we can't seem to stop. Let's go back to those naval dreadnaughts of WWI and WWII; let them have great battles offshore, where people could watch, only remote/robotically controlled.

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    1. Re:this could replace war by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      War is pretty much about killing people, as fast and efficiently as possible. In many respects modern warfare as conducted by, 1st world countries, could be seen as less destructive to non-combatants when compared to the standard warfare of WW1 and WW2 due to the fidelity of targeting. Now if any of the big 3, USA/Russia/China started a total war against an opponent, then yes, the killing would be such that D-day or the firebombings of major european cities would seem to be from a more civilized past.