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Assange: Google Is Not What It Seems
oxide7 (1013325) writes "In June 2011, Julian Assange received an unusual visitor: the chairman of Google, Eric Schmidt. They outlined radically opposing perspectives: for Assange, the liberating power of the Internet is based on its freedom and statelessness. For Schmidt, emancipation is at one with U.S. foreign policy objectives and is driven by connecting non-Western countries to Western companies and markets. These differences embodied a tug-of-war over the Internet's future that has only gathered force subsequently. Assange describes his encounter with Schmidt and how he came to conclude that it was far from an innocent exchange of views."
Good thing he got some news coverage, I had almost forgotten he existed.
True nirvana! When will the rest of the world learn?
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
>> the liberating power of the Internet is based on its freedom and statelessness
"In 1995!" says Triumph the Insult Comic Dog.
(Seriously, where do you begin. Server logs, cookies, magic URLs, IP lookups, etc.)
... compiling dossiers on everyone. Since in order to use the internet you need to use a search engine, a good idea is to look at you chrome browser history and note the title, time, where you visited, is there, then combine this with analytics and cookies (machine identification) remember this is the kind of shit and more they got behind closed doors. This will be used to pro-actively deny employment to people and 'screen' people for their political views/sites/news they visit/any health problems/etc. i.e. it allows corporations unprecedented insight into the flaws of our evolved nervous system and minds. We are not "free" in any way or form our minds were shaped by evolution and they have a lot of problems reasoning or perceiving reality, if in doubt see here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
They are trying to map political dissident to pre-emptively strike against political change using science and big data they are fervently trying to figure out how to regain their control, since they know media's days are numbered with newer generations. So they are learning techniques in controlling populations and manipulating public opinion on social media, to socially engineer how people think, etc. The reality is america has been the greatest success in propaganda in human history, most americans were hyper capitalist, virulently anti-communist for the last few decades and the upper class would like the working classes to keep voting against their own interests to keep their ill gotten wealth. So if you vote for D&R you are one of the illusioned and the elites aren't worried about you at all because you are politically illiterate just like they want. They want you all to vote democrats and republicans so as not to rock the boat. They don't want political change to manifest outside the political system (aka threat to corporate power).
This (mass surveillance) is just more part and parcel of state suppression of dissent against corporate interests. They're worried that the more people are going to wake up and corporate centers like the US and canada may be among those who also awaken. See this vid with Zbigniew Brzezinski, former United States National Security Advisor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Look at the following graphs:
http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesa...
http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesa...
http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesa...
And then...
WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would Stay Cheap
http://www.businessinsider.com...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Free markets?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
http://www.amazon.com/Empire-I...
"We now live in two Americas. One—now the minority—functions in a print-based, literate world that can cope with complexity and can separate illusion from truth. The other—the majority—is retreating from a reality-based world into one of false certainty and magic. To this majority—which crosses social class lines, though the poor are overwhelmingly affected—presidential debate and political rhetoric is pitched at a sixth-grade reading level. In this “other America,” serious film and theater, as well as newspapers and books, are being pushed to the margins of society.
In the tradition of Chr
Okay, so it turns out that although on the surface Eric Schmidt appeared to be just one of the top guys at one of the biggest companies on earth, in reality he's a businessman with "surprisingly conventional" politics and links to the US Government. Oh. My. God. It's a whole secret identity like batman or something.
Holy shit, way to misinterpret what he's talking about.
He means "stateless" in the sense of not being under the complete control of one nation and its government. He is not talking about "stateless" in the sense of functional programming languages that don't support variables and other forms of mutable state. Son of a bitch, we aren't talking about Haskell here!
Well if it isn't Slashdot's most favourite statist, Ben J. Fowler.
Maybe someone needs to explain to Assange that Google is a large, for-profit US corporation with access to huge amounts of data. Most people can figure out the rest of it from there.
Seriously, I tried reading the article (but I couldn't finish it) and I don't know what Assange thinks Google is, unless he's been deceived by the way the US government and the private sector pretend to be adversaries.
Google is in it to make money. I really don't think anyone assumed anything differently... other than, perhaps, Assange.
>> He is not talking about "stateless" in the sense of functional programming languages that don't support variables and other forms of mutable state.
Neither was I. http://stackoverflow.com/quest...
TFA is for me to poop on.
Who now?
...from the right, Eric Schmidt. and From the Left, Julian Assange and in the Crossfire, the Slashdot users....
You're welcome.
If you want a libertarian Utopia, fuck off to Somalia. You'll be allowed to play with your guns there.
...WTF did I just read? I understood none of it. Or if I did understand it, then I understood this waaay before reading this long article. Google works with the US government? Nnnooo, you don't say! What next, Apple too!?? Come on, this is shit that we don't even have to find out by any other methods than just thinking logically these days.
Are you into having a life of freedom? Then start giving credit to all of those thoughts that you have about quitting that shitty job that you hate, and/or making that change in your own life as you see fit, and stop giving credit to all of the hype about governmental powers. People like Assange need the government to be wicked, it gives him a way to have fame.
There is no political solution, only a realistic one.
Politics; n. : A religion whereby man is god.
His main points, as I understand them:
1) Eric Schmidt is getting involved in politics, and is becoming influential.
2) Google doesn't always follow "do no evil" but fanboys love Google anyway
3) Google is getting involved in government more than is healthy.
He has some other rambles about the Bilderbergs, and how the governments are secretly controlling world events, but his main points seam reasonable enough.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Powerful people associate with powerful people, including the government. Don't trust them.
*yawn*
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
I love you man. You're your own ultimate detractor.
Okay, if you are living in a false sense of privacy, while you spend your every waking moment surfing the net, you are in denial and seek professional help. For those of you who somehow accepted the fact that you are being tracked, I have one question: Who do you want tracking you ? Google, Micro$oft or Facebook ? These are the 3 major players in tracking as they have tentacles reaching to the far corners of the net and combination of their forces, probably cover 90% of all pages available on the net, if not more. So, do you trust your data to a proven evil-doer, Microsoft, or to a young hotshot called Zuckerberg, who blatantly bragged to his friends "you just ask and they give their personal info to you" when he was just starting the Facebook, or to Google ? I personally prefer Google. Yes it would be nice if we were not tracked at all but that ship has sailed long time ago. Now, we need to fend ourselves against lesser of evil and this is Google for me. The information I give in return of free services of theirs I use, is far more in my favor comapred to any other entity on the Net.
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I wish I could find out, but I don't have hours to read that. What was his point anyway?
I am from China. Assange is from Australia. Those of us who are not from the United States of America tend to have an advantage over those who were born and raised inside America because we were not indoctrinated with the Pledge of Allegiance throughout our childhood (into the teen years) but the Americans do
That is why when Assange said
For a man of systematic intelligence, Schmidtâ(TM)s politicsâ"such as I could hear from our discussionâ"were surprisingly conventional, even banal
I have to agree
Schmidt, no matter how smart he is, chooses to remain inside the box, and as one who stays inside the box can't see how bad the system that governs America has turned into
America used to be the one who fight for liberty. That was why I left China and went to America decades ago. Now? America is as bad as China in term of the suppression of liberty
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
As much as we love YouTube, its major mistake was not having a filter for copyrighted and non-meant-for-YouTube content, and as a result, the media empires get control of censoring of Google Search, and here's the challenge, can anybody make a pure-play Search Engine that doesn't get corrupted by other projects.
Under a claimed threat of extradition to the US.
There's no actual evidence of it and in fact extradition from Sweden is harder than from the UK.
Let's not forget that Assange is where he is by choice. He says he fears extradition to the US, but there's a lot of other possibilities too. He may just simply fear conviction.
http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/8/20/95
Translation: Rich American demands non-Americans submit to US imperialism and greed. This has been the monster of the world for the last 100 years.
"Whatever makes Google a âoekey member of the Defense Industrial Base,â it is not recruitment campaigns pushed out through Google AdWords or soldiers checking their Gmail."
While I do think the article is too long, I think some of the actions of Google are to be expected. Microsoft is also lobbying massively in Washington, and Google has to put some counterweight on that - one could think.
But what Assange lists about Google Ideas is disturbing.
And when I look at the Google Ideas website, it seems to be a very valid point. And even more disturbing.
Yet I do believe he thinks the CEO of Google has more power than he has in reality. And I might be naive. But, seriously, they should look better into what Jared Cohen is doing with the money of Google, there certainly is something fishy about this guy, his connection and interpretation of 'do no evil', thanks to Assange for pointing that out!
You people in other countries are just as indoctrinated (on average; some are less and some more so, I imagine) as we are here in the States. You acting superior because you're from somewhere else is equivalent to an American acting superior because he's an American.
Don't forget the internet was invented by DARPA. Just like missiles and nukes and subs and carriers, the internet is a weapon. It is slow, but very sure to penetrate and destroy dictatorships and repressive governments worldwide. It's slow enough to say that we just deployed it recently. Even so, a number of governments have already fallen or been pressured by it; we see repressive regimes like China throwing all kinds of defenses up against it. I don't see how even China can stand against it for very long.
Assange gets this, at least on some level. That would mean America wins, and he sees America as the enemy. Oh well, suck it Assange. The business of America is business. The only real way to do business, is when people are free, and can spend their money on stuff they want. That's us winning. (Not to excuse our recent spate on NSA abuses; they are going to always try to do that, and it's up to us voters to keep them in check.)
Strawman arguments are lies.
Do no evil*
*our definition of evil is oblivious to intention or cultural bias. All rights to any changes to our definition of evil are preserved.
perhaps future president Schmidt will order that.
I see what you did there - heheh.
And I already know that Assange is full of crap. So why would I read this?
No this isnt a troll people. A lot of people including our own govt want to see Assange dead. The NSA is working on it and if it they succeed, you won't know. The fact that you still see him around means they haven't yet.
He's not in another country. Read the entire post:
"That was why I left China and went to America decades ago."
His observation isn't based on domestic propaganda or nationalism and an inability to consider perspectives outside his only cultural upbringing.
You're condescendingly dismissing the perspective of an expat who came to America looking for Freedom and Liberty. When expats ask for a refund, that's a good sign your marketing is better than your product.
If your neighbor's dog spits out the slop you feed your pet, it raises the question: "is the neighbor's dog picky? Or is my dog just used to food that tastes like shit?"
You're welcome.
If you want a libertarian Utopia, fuck off to Somalia. You'll be allowed to play with your guns there.
So a country half controlled by Muslim terrorists and the other familial warlords and real pirates is a libertarian Utopia? Hitting the pipe a bit too hard, eh?
Assange: Google Is Not What It Seems
Wrong Mr. Assange. Google seems like a bunch of fascist twats, because they are a bunch of fascist twats.
Have gnu, will travel.
Mr. Assange, what you've just written is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
"You have meddled with the primary forces of nature, Mr Assange, and I won't have it! Is that clear?" [Network 1974]
Eric Schmidt was born in Washington, D.C., where his father had worked as a professor and economist for the Nixon Treasury.
In 1979, Schmidt headed out West to Berkeley, where he received his Ph.D. before joining Stanford/ Berkeley spin-off Sun Microsystems in 1983.
Sun had significant contracts with the U.S. government, but it was not until he was in Utah as CEO of Novell that records show Schmidt strategically engaging Washington’s overt political class. Federal campaign finance records show that on January 6, 1999, Schmidt donated two lots of $1,000 to the Republican senator for Utah, Orrin Hatch. On the same day Schmidt’s wife, Wendy, is also listed giving two lots of $1,000 to Senator Hatch.
By the start of 2001, over a dozen other politicians and PACs, including Al Gore, George W. Bush, Dianne Feinstein, and Hillary Clinton, were on the Schmidts’ payroll, in one case for $100,000.
This shows a bit more than "getting involved in politics".
As for item 2 and 3, a large portion of the article is describing Google's "Think/Do Tank" which operates way beyond "do no evil". The groups has potential involvement in numerous nefarious activities, and numerous connections to the US State Department and other US Officials.
Your last statement is a complete farce, and I'd suggest reading the article and actually studying what the Bilderberg conference is about, as opposed to the blanket dismissal without evidence. There has been plenty of great journalism done on this conference, and no it's not just some cool hotel hangout.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
By 2013, Eric Schmidt—who had become publicly over-associated with the Obama White House—was more politic. Eight Republicans and eight Democrats were directly funded, as were two PACs. That April, $32,300 went to the National Republican Senatorial Committee. A month later the same amount, $32,300, headed off to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. Why Schmidt was donating exactly the same amount of money to both parties is a $64,600 question.
Well, I don't believe this is a question at all. This demonstrates very well what people have been saying for years. The R and D candidates are merely props put up by the same "elites" so that people get the illusion that they are really voting for something. I'm guessing that Schmidt was more sloppy than the better players making it this easy to see, and that is usually related to ego.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
google = nsa boitch get over it it can be proven .....
fuck em all.....
Before posting next time, at least glimpse at an article to know who Mitnick was. Then try not to confuse him with Aaron Schwartz, who is a totally separate person and circumstance.
Your opinion of all 3 of those people is exclusively based on a non-existent fantasy land.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
end of technology
http://www.baidu.com/
All rites reversed 2010
Google sees the third world as eyeballs that its various advertizing platforms aren't reaching, nothing more. Not really different from how it views the first world, but with more infrastructure investment necessary.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R...
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Legally I think you are wrong, in that the UK could not extradite for something policital like wikileaks. Sweden could "lend" him to the US to face charges as I understand it rather than extradite.
You are for sure wrong on a practical level though, as the UK has fundementally failed to extradite the guy to sweden let alone the US. In Sweden he would not have been out on on bail, but in jail so the claiming assilum in the embassy is not possible.
I would only point out that the poverty hole the People's Republic of China dragged all those individuals was created directly by poor PRC policies back in the 1960s and 1970s, so if you give them credit for that, you also have to give the United States tremendous credit for ending slavery and desegregation. That, or neither can claim an advantage in that regard.
The NSA kills people now, does it.
I believe that, as far as a complacent company, or an agent in a company, is able to filter the information that people get from the other nodes in their network, the "powers that be" (make that wealth, US goverment, US agencies, whatever fits your bill) can even influence political changes in masses.
That is why the discussion about metadata was so stupid! Politically, metadata IS the ingredient that was missing. One does make political opinions widely available, but metadata allows someone with insight to the network to map influences, make profiles.
And as these two research papers explain, alter their impact in the political process of the mass. It's not the people who are controlled by social networks, but masses surely are:
Exploiting Network Structure in Enhancing Diusion of Complex Contagions: http://www.albany.edu/~ravi/pd...
Effects of Opposition on the Diffusion of Complex Contagions in Social Networks: An Empirical Study: http://link.springer.com/chapt...
Bear in mind that we do not know how edgerank selects information. It could well highlight favourable nodes and muffle problematic ones.
Interestingly, in recent years social movements favourable to western status quo have thrilled in social networks (think maidan, arab "spring", opposition to left leaning governments in South America, now Hong Kong revolts) yet the ones that oppose them have a much larger footprint in the real world than in the virtual world (Chile student revolts, Mexican "I am 132", spanish resistance to shock cuts, that gathered !4million people physically!, Occupy Wall Street). I really wonder if this asymmetry is random or coincidence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R... Classic problem with companies and industries being able to influence their regulators.
Because the Chinese know all about Liberty.
A Chinese person can't even own land.
You can only "vote" for the Communist party.
You don't need to run corp/ussa search engine, you install and run our own, thats right----> yacy.net ----is your friend.
...and you, Sir,,, are an anonymous coward.
Dear Microlimp: I give you 2 valid product keys for win7 and you reject both of them. Piss off you wankers!!!
I come from Sweden, a heavily indoctrinated people. I wasn't fully aware of the brainwashing until i left the country for another one.
Now looking in from outside i realize that my country is very mad. Political correctness from hell and de facto state controlled media.
All swedish (pretty much) judge Assange as a rapist and do their best to discredit him.
I guess mr Assange failed to do his research when he laid those two feminazis on the same night.
All swedish MEDIA (pretty much) judge Assange as a rapist and do their best to discredit him, not the people.
Was a bit fast there, they had a trace on me. *tinfoil hat on*.
Ask your fellow Americans who live outside the U.S.. Chances are, he knows more about America looking in from outside than most Americans who have never lived abroad. So yah... you don't have to listen to us non-Americans, just ask fellow Americans living abroad about their take on what their country as become.
rape girls.... fucking poofter...
You seem confused.
Exception to that rule:
A joke from Russia goes as follows;
Q: What do Russian women put behind their ears to attract men?
A: Their knees..
Hey, I'm just passing it along..
Exception to that rule: A joke from Russia goes as follows; Q: What do Russian women put behind their ears to attract men? A: Their knees.. Hey, I'm just passing it along..
It's that the tech/cybersecurity companies are actively trying to participate in the shaping of global policies under the belief that the free market is a valid force for doing so. THAT is the scary part, the belief that something so mercurial as the 'free market' should have a hand in shaping the actions of government and policy makers. Furthermore, not only is the concept wrong-headed but those perpetrating it, do so without understanding the wrongness of it all; they believe what they are doing is not evil, even though by other measures, it is.
"Consensus" in science is _always_ a political construct.
Earlier this week, the NY Times reported that a group of city and leaders, with NYC public advocate Letitia James at the helm, are pushing for a commitment from Comcast to provide free broadband to the city’s public housing and to extend its low-cost Internet Essentials plan (which was created as a condition of the NBC deal). While New York City might be the center of finance and commerce in the U.S., about 1/3 of households don’t have an Internet connection, highlighting the huge “digital divide” between the city’s wealthy residents and those who can’t afford broadband service.In addition to the free service for public housing, the group wants gratis access at shelters for the city’s homeless and its victims of domestic violence.
Looks like, after our tax dollars have been providing little blue pills to the less fortunate, now they are closing the loop by providing free access to pr0n as well. Must be very good to have that "Mission Accomplished" feeling.
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