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Facebook Wants You To Vote Tuesday

theodp (442580) writes "Six years in the making, Facebook's get-out-the-vote tool — a high-profile button that proclaims "I'm Voting" or "I'm a Voter" — will on Tuesday give many of the social network's more than 150 million American users a gentle but effective nudge to vote. "If past research is any guide," writes Micah L. Sifry in Mother Jones, "up to a few million more people will head to the polls partly because their Facebook friends encouraged them. Yet the process by which Facebook has developed this tool — what the firm calls the 'voter megaphone' — has not been very transparent, raising questions about its use and Facebook's ability to influence elections. Moreover, while Facebook has been developing and promoting this tool, it has also been quietly conducting experiments on how the company's actions can affect the voting behavior of its users." Sifry adds, "There may be another reason for Facebook's lack of transparency regarding its voting promotion experiments: politics. Facebook officials likely do not want Republicans on Capitol Hill to realize that their voter megaphone isn't a neutral get-out-the-vote mechanism. It's not that Facebook uses this tool to remind only users who identify themselves as Democrats to vote — though the company certainly has the technical means to do so. But the Facebook user base tilts Democratic." So, it's probably worth mentioning again that Facebook caught flack last summer for deliberately experimenting on users' emotions without their consent. And just last June, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg's FWD.us PAC put out a call for "pissed off Data Scientists" to data mine critical legislative districts and "growth hack" ways to motivate "registered voters who are registered Republicans who we think are likely to support immigration reform.""

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  1. remember the old days? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Back when if you wanted to talk to your friends online you would just talk to your friends online, instead of talking to Facebook and having Facebook pass it on?

    Well guess what. The more you put a single third party in the middle of everything, the more room there is for them to abuse that.

    This is what all you Facebook users asked for. It'll get worse yet. This is only the beginning. Eventually you won't get to KNOW when they are using the power you gave them.

    1. Re:remember the old days? by penguinoid · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Facebook isn't abusing their user base in this case -- at least, you'd have a hard time convincing me that encouraging your demographic to vote is some sort of abuse.

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    2. Re:remember the old days? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      until the tool shows up more frequently or more prominently for certain users, or certain users with specific types of 'friends', who facebook believes will vote the way THEY want them to..

    3. Re:remember the old days? by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      Yes, but those politically apathetic facebookers voting screws you, not the facebookers.

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  2. Lucky for Democrats by penguinoid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Since Facebook's users lean Democrat, more of them voting will mean a shift towards Democratic politicians. I bet the Republicans will be pissed.

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    1. Re:Lucky for Democrats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      AARP also encourages people to vote, so any effect of this is probably nullified.

    2. Re:Lucky for Democrats by theodp · · Score: 3, Informative

      AARP membership: 37M. Facebook U.S. users: 150M.

    3. Re:Lucky for Democrats by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      AARP membership: 37M. Facebook U.S. users: 150M.

      AARP members who believe their interests are aligned with the organization: Millions.
      Facebook users who give a rats ass about Facebook's corporate opinion: 0

    4. Re: Lucky for Democrats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Surely Republicans are true patriots who love America and the Constitution enough that they don't need to be reminded, unlike those Communist, freedom and god hating, heathen Democrats.

    5. Re:Lucky for Democrats by Smallpond · · Score: 4, Funny

      Since Facebook's users lean Democrat, more of them voting will mean a shift towards Democratic politicians. I bet the Republicans will be pissed.

      This is a democracy. Everyone has a right and obligation to vote. I urge all Republicans to go out and vote on Wednesday.

    6. Re:Lucky for Democrats by prefec2 · · Score: 1

      First, I doubt that it makes any real difference if you vote for "Democrats" or "Republicans". In a real democracy you would be able to vote for more than one party. From a European point of view you have only the choice between conservative and neo-liberal party and a strong right wing party. Second, the mobilizing effect within AARP might be bigger than in the FB domain.

    7. Re:Lucky for Democrats by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Surprisingly, youth are switching away from democrats, and voting republican. Oh, maybe they're switching away from Facebook, too; that old, washed-up platform for hipsters and grandmas.

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    8. Re:Lucky for Democrats by penguinoid · · Score: 2

      I would bet cash it is about 50/50 just like in the real world.

      How much cash and shall we make an arrangement with an online betting site? Also, please clarify what you mean by "about 50/50", in particular the upper bound of the ratio of Democrats to Republicans which will constitute losing your bet.

      If I were to go by my 'facebook world' I would say it heavily leans republican.

      You are showing a cognitive bias of 'what happens to me must be the way it is everywhere'.

      That's so adorable. Your second line is exactly what I would have responded to your first.

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    9. Re:Lucky for Democrats by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      I give a rats ass

    10. Re:Lucky for Democrats by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Rich democrats are out to destroy the middle class and make the working class too poor to fight back when they decide to take away all of your rights from you.

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    11. Re:Lucky for Democrats by jmac_the_man · · Score: 1

      AARP membership: 37M. Facebook U.S. users: 150M.

      AARP members who believe their interests are aligned with the organization: Millions. Facebook users who give a rats ass about Facebook's corporate opinion: 0

      Right, but there probably ARE more Facebook users whose views align with Facebook Corporate than there are AARP members whose views align with AARP corporate.

    12. Re:Lucky for Democrats by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      AARP also encourages people to vote, so any effect of this is probably nullified.

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't AARP been encouraging people to vote for ages already? I mean, if Facebook and AARP had simultaneously decided to start encouraging their members to vote, it would be a near-null effect. But since the Facebook GOTV initiative is new, it is a shift away from previous years.

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    13. Re:Lucky for Democrats by penguinoid · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I thought both parties were out to destroy the middle class. The difference, of course, is that Republicans want to screw to poor to help the rich, while pretending they will help the poor due to trickle down economics. Conversely, the Democrats want to appear to help the poor while sabotaging their situation is less obvious ways, such as illegal immigrants and H-1B visas to drop wages, passing large taxes (with equally large loopholes) on the rich, and aid programs that will help you while you are poor but will cease if you start improving your situation.

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    14. Re:Lucky for Democrats by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      That's pretty subjective. From an American point of view, Europeans only have the choice between socialist, socialist, socialist, and a tiny bit less socialist, with some different locality-driven issues thrown in for each. ..and before you tell me I know jack about your specific country, it's also likely you know jack about the USA.

      The term 'liberal' has been so thoroughly abused at this point that it's meaningless even with a ton of prefixes and suffixes. It used to mean someone who stands for individual liberty, rights, and freedom. Now it stands for someone who wants a big state that tosses out a few scraps of those things for specific kinds of people at the expense of the rest.

    15. Re: Lucky for Democrats by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's a not true scottsman situation. Many people identify themselves with one of the two major parties but do absolutely nothing to participate with them. For instance, a low income single mother is more likely to vote democrat if they ever voted. They however, may not have ever voted, do not even know the names of politicians running, or the names of politicians already seated in office. They likely registered to vote at one time because it was easy and secondary to something they were already doing like renewing a drivers license. Likewise, someone of the same situation who is too proud to take assistance, perhaps thinks their situation is exaggerated because taxes are high or something, might vote republican but still suffer the same participation issues.

      Now, republicans, just like democrats, who are real republicans and democrats would vote without needing to be reminded. It's the people who do not vote, who do not care about politics and couldn't tell you who Joe Biden is,that need reminding to vote because they are the new independents. If you can get enough idiots (as used with Athenian democracy) to show up and cast a vote, all you need to do is get the rights ones to show and you have increased the party's chances enormously. This is where the reminders to vote come into play. And yes, face book has already combed through postings to see the political leanings of it's users and could pick the right people to remind in order to influence their positions or party picks.

    16. Re:Lucky for Democrats by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1

      I thought both parties were out to destroy the middle class. The difference, of course, is that Republicans want to screw to poor to help the rich, while pretending they will help the poor due to trickle down economics. Conversely, the Democrats want to appear to help the poor while sabotaging their situation is less obvious ways, such as illegal immigrants and H-1B visas to drop wages, passing large taxes (with equally large loopholes) on the rich, and aid programs that will help you while you are poor but will cease if you start improving your situation.

      Sorry Mr. Democrat hack. You are following the divide and conquer method. You want to convince people who might vote Republican to stay home so your party can get our your base and keep control of the senate. Your fake neutrality does not sound convincing.

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    17. Re:Lucky for Democrats by Kingofearth · · Score: 1

      That's irrelevant. Facebook isn't tell people how to vote, just encouraging them to vote.

  3. Bad idea by XanC · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People who only vote because they heard about it on Facebook (or via that stupid sticker people wear) shouldn't be voting.

    1. Re:Bad idea by TFlan91 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

    2. Re: Bad idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think of it as a reminder. In our overly busy lives, it's real easy to forget Election Day. Also, it'll help to motivate people. In my state we have a Senate race between a moderate Democrat and an ex-Wall Street finance guy who is running as a Ted Cruz type of nutty Republican.

    3. Re:Bad idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And it's better if you only vote because you got a mailer from a policitcal party?

    4. Re:Bad idea by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Why does it make sense to vote for the sake of voting? How is that helping?

      There are a lot of stupid people. If only smart people vote, we will end up with policies that help smart people, and leave the stupid people further and further behind.

    5. Re:Bad idea by Bodhammer · · Score: 1

      There are a lot of stupid people. If only smart people vote, we will end up with policies that help smart people, and leave the stupid people further and further behind.

      OK!

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    6. Re:Bad idea by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      People who only vote because they heard about it on Facebook (or via that stupid sticker people wear) shouldn't be voting.

      People who think they know (based upon personal preferences) who should or should not be voting, should not be voting.

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    7. Re:Bad idea by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Are you using "this" in the Java sense? If so I 100% agree.

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    8. Re:Bad idea by ScentCone · · Score: 2

      This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

      Why? Clueless emoto-voters are why we currently have such an incompetent executive administration, and Harry Reid setting the legislative agenda.

      Low information voters (across the spectrum) are toxic.

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    9. Re:Bad idea by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, Democrats recognize that the Republican fetish for voter ID is just a tactic to manipulate outcomes of elections in the same way as poll taxes and literacy tests.

      No, Democrats recognize that making sure people that nobody can check whether or not you're allowed to vote helps them with their vote-by-sheep-herding techniques. For example, our state was just shown to have thousands of voters who, when cross checked against their driving records, show that they are not citizens. Thousands of them. And Democrats in Colorado just set up new mechanism that is practically designed from scratch specifically to provide for bogus voting, stewarded by mostly partisan people and oganizations that skew to their favor.

      You want vote suppression? Thousands of people voting illegally in my state, as liberal activist organizations circulate flyers explaining where it's possible to vote without your identity being tested - that nullifies thousands of legitimate votes.

      If Republicans were really interested in their supposed problem, they'd support making ID a mandate on the government.

      If you were paying attention, you'd see that legislation aimed at making sure that liars and illegals can't cast votes include provisions for photo IDs paid for by the state in question. Who, by the way, has no form of ID? You can't cash government checks without it. You can't use social services without ID. You can't sit at the library and use taxpayer provided computers and internet access without ID. You can't live in subsidized housing without ID, or get Medicare coverage (or Medicaid) without one. But thousands of people can cast votes without them, and millions in Colorado can now make a complete circus out of the idea.

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    10. Re:Bad idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nobody can check? Where do you get these ideas? Oh right, the Right-wing Lie Brigade. You don't mention your state, but Florida's Republican Liar-in-Chief did make up a similar claim. What really happened?

      http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/05/25/490678/eligible-florida-voter-governor-rick-scott-purged/

      http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2014/0402/Court-rules-Florida-voter-purge-illegal-but-will-it-stop-GOP-voting-tweaks

      "The state originally identified 180,000 questionable voters, comparing rolls primarily to driver’s license data. The secretary of State cut that list to 2,600, then to 198. At the end of the process, 85 voter names were thrown out."

      Ouch. There will probably be more spoiled ballots due to clerical incompetence.

      And Colorado?

      http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/oct/30/megyn-kelly/megyn-kellys-errant-claim-about-colorado-voters-pr/

      Apparently Megyn Kelly is a liar, liar, liar.

      If you were paying attention, you'd see that legislation aimed at making sure that liars and illegals can't cast votes include provisions for photo IDs paid for by the state in question

      If you paid attention, you'd have noticed what I said. That it would be a mandate on the government. But perhaps you don't understand the meaning of what I said by making it a mandate on the government. That means the government MUST ABSOLUTELY take responsibility to provide you with ID. That means no requests for birth certificates, divorce papers, or anything else that a person would have to pay for themselves in order to attain a certified copy, or even make a phonecall themselves. That means the government has to do it, even if they have to send the governor of the state to personally go and ask all your neighbors if you are representing yourself as who you say you are. See the difference? It's about putting the burden on the state, the same way we need to do with polling sites, and even criminal trials. The burden needs to be on them. So when it comes to providing ID, I wouldn't even ask people to leave their houses, I'd make the damn government send people door to door instead. If that's not acceptable to you, tough shit, if you're going to fucking waste time chasing a wild goose, I'm not going to put up with your nonsense.

      And you don't seem to realize that the ID needed for the things you suggest may be different from what the government in the GOP controlled states allows for voting provisions. Not that I've ever had to present ID for using a computer at the library. What kind of wacky bullshit libraries do you have?

      FWIW, BTW, I detest that that my doctor's office has to keep asking for my ID to keep it on file, and I really don't like having to provide my driver's license to use checks. Which is why I avoid the latter anyway. So yeah, fuck that ID shit. Fuck it all.

    11. Re:Bad idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      [citation needed]

      Unless this women is one of those liars or illegals you ranted about.

    12. Re:Bad idea by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Nobody can check? Where do you get these ideas?

      From reality. Let's see ... in my state, you can walk up and register to vote without anyone determining if you're a citizen. There is no process for it. Then, you can walk up to a polling place on voting day, where they don't ask for any form of ID - you just say your name is "Bob Smith," and if that name is on the list of registered voters, you get to vote. Simple as that. There is no mechanism to validate your eligibility to vote when you register, and no method to prevent anyone from using the registered name to cast a vote. That same person could vote multiple times in multiple polling places, because that person's ID is never asked for or shown. Now multiply that sort of thing by the thousands of registrations that some industrious researchers just compared (as private citizens - the government doesn't do this, and refuses to because it says state law doesn't permit such intrusive things) to other public records ... such as applications for driving permits and jury pool documents, in which those same multiple thousands of people happily asserted that they were not citizens.

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    13. Re:Bad idea by ScentCone · · Score: 2

      Your state of delusion isn't a real one. Sorry, but what you and the James O'keefes of the world foam at the mouth about isn't an actual problem.

      The matter is now before the courts, with evidence of the illegal voter registrations (which are matters of public record) introduced by the research group bringing the suit. Your insistence that the public records showing the very same people claiming not to be citizens while also (within the same calendar year) registering to vote is a "delusion" says more about your wishful thinking or partisan biases than it does about anything else. We're in an election climate where the control of the executive branch and legislatures in a state can hinge on mere dozens of votes. And people like you want to be absolutely sure that the system remains as open to abuse as possible. Why? Because the groups that actively seek to abuse it and proudly announce their willingness to assist people in doing so tend to favor only one party - clearly, you share their world view. All I want is for my vote to count, and all you want is for the process to tilt favorably to one party's illegal tactics, the better to keep them in power.

      Meanwhile, in the real world, the utter pointlessness of having people go to the polls personally is quite manifest.

      You say that, but you don't say why. If those who cast votes must simply show who they are, their appearance at a polling place that establishes their legitimacy is exactly how such fraud is prevented. And it leaves a trail that can be followed after the fact in too-close elections that might have involved questionable participation. Your implication is that faceless, unverifiable, fraud-friendly mail-in ballots are better than tying faces and names with the act of establishing the government. You can only be slavishly cheerleading for that if you have an interest in propping up the party that likes operating that way.

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    14. Re:Bad idea by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      Should only be property owners voting. That's how it was supposed to be in the first place. People with skin in the game.

    15. Re:Bad idea by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      I get it, you want to manipulate the electoral process yourself

      Yes. I want to manipulate the process into the perfectly rational form in which it's used all around the world: one citizen, one vote.

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    16. Re:Bad idea by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Keep in mind that you only apply for a drivers license like once in 10 years.

      FWIW, our state has you in for a renewal and fresh paperwork every four years. At which time you're handed what amounts to a blank check for voter registration. Nothing during that process (completing the voter registration form) establishes what you say about your citizenship. In fact you can be at the MVA getting your driver's license, where your citizenship status IS addressed, and at the same time, hand in a voter registration that is 100% at odds with what you say about your license, and nobody can or will reconcile those two things, ever.

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  4. A button? Try a dozen viral images by sandytaru · · Score: 2

    My circle of FB friends have been circulating dozens of GOTV images for the last month. My favorite has been a picture of a silly looking Tea Party guy in full regalia holding up an anti-government sign, with the caption: "This guy is voting. Are you?" (There are other more mean spirited ones that are kind of classist, showing rednecks, which I declined to share.)

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    1. Re:A button? Try a dozen viral images by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      It would be interesting if you just named them because it isn't the republicans. There is a republican senate candidate in New Mexico who used images of Foley's killer but as far as I can find, no one is using images of James Foley himself.

      Maybe you are misinformed.

    2. Re:A button? Try a dozen viral images by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Nonsense. I saw the ad from the New Mexico politician and it's completely appropriate and does not show the murder or anything about it. Just flashes a masked guy standing there who could have been an actor on a set for all we know from the commercial.

      And yes, I did miss the one from Arizona. You should have posted a link.

    3. Re:A button? Try a dozen viral images by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      So why is it schmuckery to have it displayed in an ad? What has you so upset over it to the point you are claiming it is bad?

      The ad did not mention Foley's murder, it did not mention Foley, it did however mention that the democrat was siding with Obama and Obama's policies are making up less safe. So are you upset over the image, or the effectiveness of the ad?

      And yes, I am quite ignorant of it, I rarely watch TV (don't even have cable) and only watched the supposed murder video once. I say supposed only because some people seem to think the video was staged and the beheading happened later but I don't really care one way or another- the guy is dead and ISIS took credit for it.

    4. Re:A button? Try a dozen viral images by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Lol.. The family doesn't own the footage. It doesn't matter what they say because unless people like you point it out, no one would know the difference. It doesn't use their kid's image or even reference the murder.

      So what exactly is it that has your panties in a knot. It sounds like your evasion of the answer is that the ads struck a cord with you and you hate that they are true. It seems like you are desperately trying to find a way to make it seem despicable and failing at it which upsets you even more. So what is so bad about it?

    5. Re:A button? Try a dozen viral images by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      That is fine and alll but you still are avoiding the question about what you think is so bad about it that you had to complain about it here.

  5. Facebook: vote, because tech salaries are too high by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Facebook wants to import an army of people from other countries to bid down tech salaries. That's why they want your vote.

  6. Obama's Chief Scientist on Use of Facebook in 2012 by theodp · · Score: 3, Informative

    Interview with Rayid Ghani, Chief Scientist Obama 2012 Campaign: Q. How did you use facebook and other social networks as part of modeling? A. We used facebook for a few different purposes: We used facebook to reach young voters who were hard to reach using traditional channels such as phone, direct mail, and door-to-door canvassing. We built models using data from users who authorized our facebook app that allowed us to ask our supporters to contact their friends for specific reasons (voter registration, volunteering, going to vote, etc.). Our hypothesis was that getting their friends to ask them was more effective than us asking them directly by broadcasting on our facebook page. We also used facebook to determine people's interest and send them messages that were relevant to them and hence increase their likelihood of taking action.

  7. Not that influential by Mr_Silver · · Score: 2

    Back in 2011 we had a vote in the UK as to whether we would switch our voting system from "first past the post" to "alternative vote".

    Although my Facebook feed was absolutely riddled with people proclaiming their support for AV and no-one for FPTP (and a quick straw poll of my work colleagues suggested the same for them) that wasn't reflected in the results which were that 68 per cent voted No (to AV) and 32 per cent voted Yes.

    Facebook may have influenced some people to go out and vote, but it certainly didn't seem to reflect how the country voted as a whole.

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  8. Sorry, Mr. Zuckerberg, I've voted. by tepples · · Score: 2
    I've already voted with my eyeballs against Facebook.

    # this is not APK's list
    # this is https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3039099
    0.0.0.0 connect.facebook.net
    0.0.0.0 www.facebook.com
    0.0.0.0 facebook.com
    0.0.0.0 static.ak.fbcdn.net
    0.0.0.0 www.static.ak.fbcdn.net
    0.0.0.0 login.facebook.com
    0.0.0.0 www.login.facebook.com
    0.0.0.0 fbcdn.net
    0.0.0.0 www.fbcdn.net
    0.0.0.0 fbcdn.com
    0.0.0.0 www.fbcdn.com
    0.0.0.0 static.ak.connect.facebook.com
    0.0.0.0 www.static.ak.connect.facebook.com

    1. Re:Sorry, Mr. Zuckerberg, I've voted. by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      My apathy runneth over....

    2. Re:Sorry, Mr. Zuckerberg, I've voted. by tepples · · Score: 1

      If you haven't been following Slashdot memes, I've written elsewhere about the "Lord of /etc/hosts"

  9. Re:theodp wants you to vote Republican by theodp · · Score: 2
  10. Click on that button and you'll be a target... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1
    Click on that button and you'll make yourself a target for a deluge of political advertisements in the future.

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    Facebook is in the business of cataloging people so that those people can be sold to whoever wants to pay Facebook for the goods.

    If you click on that button, you'll be added to the collection of people that Facebook can sell to politicians and their PACs.

  11. Don't waste your vote! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Ignore the democrats AND republicans, and try to actually clean the house. Otherwise... more NSA, CIA, DEA, IRS, FCC, more Comcast, more Time Warner, more Koch/Soros, and more Americans dying in war for profit.... Is that what all of you want?

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  12. huh by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

    I'm not voting because the system is rigged and the choice between OldWhiteguy#1 and OldWhiteguy#2 that pretty much agree on everything isn't really a choice at all so I refuse to participate. So where's my button?

    1. Re:huh by archmcd · · Score: 1

      Not voting is not the same as a protest vote. Pick a third party candidate, or write in someone you think is worthy of the position. If you don't vote, nobody knows you even care.

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    2. Re:huh by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      Not voting is not the same as a protest vote. Pick a third party candidate, or write in someone you think is worthy of the position. If you don't vote, nobody knows you even care.

      This is what I did, a write-in for someone worthy who wasn't even running. Of course, it helps when you already know who your district will vote for regardless of your own vote. Of course, it would be trivial to change to a voting system where you don't get punished for voting for the person you would like to win.

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  13. orly? by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    This just in: no voting drive EVER in the history of the universe has been neutral and unbiased.

  14. that's no moon by globaljustin · · Score: 1

    "Six years in the making....a high-profile button that proclaims "I'm Voting" or "I'm a Voter".....deliberately experimenting on users' emotions without their consent"

    that's no button...

    f/b is rolling out a perception control system, with it's own "dashboard", basically to manipulate users and sell their data

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  15. wrong by globaljustin · · Score: 1, Informative

    the policies of Democrats and Republicans are very, very different.

    if you so dumb as to think that there is no difference between what Democrats and what Republicans do, by policy, then you're an idiot and should not be allowed to vote

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    1. Re:wrong by itzly · · Score: 1

      There's a difference, but there's also a large overlap.

  16. 3rd party = republican by globaljustin · · Score: 1

    basically, if you vote for any non-Democrat, you are helping Republicans

    this false dichotomy talk is foolish and inaccurate

    just look at Net Neutrality, among many, many examples...

    Democrats are the only people in government promoting Net Neutrality

    look at *any* policy issue and the Democrats are orders of magnitude more rational than Republicans

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    1. Re:3rd party = republican by archmcd · · Score: 1

      That's funny, because the Republicans tell me the exact same thing - a vote for a third party is a vote for a Democrat. Tell me more about how the Democrats are better than the Republicans on government spying, warrantless wiretapping, stop-and-frisk programs, interstate border checkpoints and cash seizures. Hint: they're not. They both want to datamine everything you do online. They both want to fill prisons with non-violent criminals while letting the violently insane mix into society as if there's nothing wrong with them. They both want to pretend drug addictions don't exist, and let those suffering from real addiction only find help from their dealer. I was to believe the Democrats were going to "Change" all that, but they're exactly the same. Saying is not the same as doing. By electing the same old shit, we're never going to see voting reform, term limits or districting reform. By electing the same old shit, we're never going to see any real issues addressed, just those that the two parties know are divisive enough to polarize the electorate and guarantee their reelection.

      You have only proven my point by claiming a vote for a third party is a vote for a Republican. I still get told all the time that it's my fault a Democrat was elected Governor of Virginia because I voted for a third party. The fact is, many people only vote Democrat or Republican because they don't want "the other guy" to win. The only way to fix that is to institute something like instant run-off voting, but Democrats and Republicans won't allow that. They won't even allow third party candidates to join them in a public debate.

      A vote for a third party is a vote for a third party. Anything else is a vote for the status quo, and a vote to continue the distractions that only serve to empower the two parties

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  17. idiot by globaljustin · · Score: 2

    false dichotomy

    Republican policies are VERY different from Democrat policies

    Look at *any issue*...Net Neutrality, civil liberties, jobs, economic policy, foreign policy...Democratic policy positions are demonstrably different and *better*

    another example?

    Global Warming...

    GOP'ers still deny pollution harms the environmnet

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    Thank you Dave Raggett
    1. Re:idiot by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      Democratic policy positions are demonstrably different and *better*

      Their positions, perhaps. But how about their legislative accomplishments?

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      Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
    2. Re:idiot by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      They gave 4 trillion to Wall Street. I'm sure they're happy..

      What we are seeing here is people who listen to and believe press releases, when they should be looking up the voting records and who the "contributors" are. They should also look up a little thing called, "rotating villain". There you will see republicans and democrats, not in opposition, but working together as a tag team in a fashion that constantly shifts blame for any "failures".

      What these people call "differences" is merely bickering, not over the goal, but the method.

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    3. Re:idiot by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      Republican policies are VERY different from Democrat policies

      There is actually only ONE issue that matters: does your party believe in a level playing field to allow candidates from outside the two major parties to get on the ballot and campaign as the two major parties do? The Dems and Reps wholeheartedly agree on the answer to that question: NO. They have consistently worked to make it harder and harder for anyone else to get on the ballot, to be included in debates, etc.

      A monopoly doesn't just have to be one entity. Two entities can collude to create an effective monopoly. Which means that while differences exist between the two parties, on issues where they don't differ or where other reasonable options aren't offered within the parties, they are effectively fighting to make it impossible to voters to have other options.

      And that's REALLY bad for democracy in the long term, and to my mind it's enough to argue that any other differences between the parties are effectively meaningless.**

      Look at *any issue*...

      Okay -- shoot!

      Net Neutrality,

      You got one! There seems to be a party-line division on that at the moment.

      civil liberties,

      Okay, let's see -- which party respects the Fourth Amendment these days? Hmm... we're out of luck on that one I guess. On most other "civil liberty" issues, the parties struggle to convince everyone that there are only two possible clusters: either you're for gays, abortions, and the right to smoke weed, or you're for guns, school prayer, and the right to smoke BBQ.

      Of course, in the real world, things are messy. There's not one 1-D "spectrum" of ideas that only goes from "left" to "right." There are other ways of grouping these ideas and these rights.

      And, well, it would be nice to have someone standing up with actual Fourth Amendment (and Fifth Amendment) protections... but the last couple presidencies have shown that both parties are pretty convinced that you don't have a lot of those rights in many situations anymore. And once they can spy on you, search through your stuff, and arrest you for random crap they find -- guess what? Your right to be gay or have an abortion or own your gun doesn't really mean much when you're sitting in prison.

      jobs, economic policy,

      HA! Are you serious? Let's see, the economy crashed in the final months of W's presidency. What did he want to do? QE and throw huge amounts of money at financial institutions (big businesses) that caused the crash in the first place. He began doing that. A few months later, Obama took office and instituted the huge change of... QE and throwing huge amounts of money at giant institutions that caused the crash in the first place.

      Yeah, that sounds very different.

      On the smaller scale, yeah there are differences in who should get a tax cut (notice no party really ever wants to talk about raising taxes for anyone), or details about the specific types of job stimuluses. But look at the response of the federal government to the crash in 2001 and late 2008 under Bush and compare it to Obama after he took office. General macroeconomic policies are pretty similar. (In fact, they were so similar that it led to the "Tea Party" rebellion that ousted a bunch of party-line Republicans in various places, because people were a little sick of how alike the two parties were in this regard -- it's just a question of which pork you like to fund.)

      foreign policy...

      Ah, yes -- after 9/11, both parties basically voted unanimously to invade Afghanistan and Iraq. Bush hung out there for a while, and Obama got elected on a promise to bring troops home IMMEDIATELY and close Guantanamo. Yeah, arguably progress has been made here in the past couple years, but certainly nowhere close to what Obama promised, and nowhere near his timescale. I

    4. Re:idiot by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1

      Civil liberties for whom? The Mayor of Houston is a Democrat and she does not seem to believe in the civil rights of other. She only believes in the civil right of those who agree with her.

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      Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
    5. Re:idiot by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      lol.. Get your third parties elected locally and more local people will vote for them nationally. The only reason the two parties have their stronghold is because they control the local offices. If you want to take that control away, you need to do it there or infiltrate their party in primaries like the TEA party republicans do.

      You are likely to discover that if you attempted to get them elected locally, that they are fringe parties with little support and people say they agree with you in order to shut you up rather than being sincere. I hope I am wrong on that, but I would suggest that is the reason why 99% of all local offices is dominated by republicans or democrats and why they dominate state and federal elections. And it should be noted that politicians tend to behave differently on the federal level than they do on the state and local level giving different appearances than reality for the most part.

  18. evidence for above... by globaljustin · · Score: 1

    yes, thank you

    there is evidence of what you describe: http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/12/...

    you could watch Romney's "likes" go down by the second there for awhile

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  19. Re:Facebook: vote, because tech salaries are too h by prefec2 · · Score: 1

    For software development they can outsource it to another country which would make no big difference to having all those foreigners move to the USA. For administration the labor cost is already low.

  20. Stupid.... by MitchDev · · Score: 1

    "raising questions about its use and Facebook's ability to influence elections"

    And how is Facebook influencing elections by reminding users to vote? Are they also telling them who to vote FOR?

    The campaign money Zuckerberg and fellow evil 1%ers does more to influence election results....

    1. Re:Stupid.... by tomhath · · Score: 1

      Are they also telling them who to vote FOR?

      Given that Zuckerberg funds a left leaning PAC, has experimented with influencing FB users' emotions, and is deeply involved in mining FB users' data, you shouldn't be surprised if that's the long term plan.

    2. Re:Stupid.... by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      You forgot about the 2012 experiment where they divined user's political leanings from their posts and likes and stuff. Oh and that wasn't secret, they announced they were having a third party do it.

      So theoretically, they could influence the election by reminding only people who have been identified to vote or lean a certain way and show them favorable- even if misleading, ads for that way in the lead up to the election.

    3. Re:Stupid.... by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      If you are that stupid that you get all your political leaning from ONE source, perhaps you are too stupid to be allowed to live any longer...

      No different than television ads, radios ads, all that garbage junk mail, all the annoying political phone calls, etc....

    4. Re:Stupid.... by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Allowed to live any longer....

      That it the dumbest thing anyone has ever said.

      But there are plenty of people who completely ignore politics who end up voting because of things like this. But i do not think i suggested anyone got their pitical leaning from one place. I said one place was trying to determine a person's political leanings and could press only certain groups with certain leaning to vote in order to influence or stuff the ballot box/ election.

  21. made to help the GOP by globaljustin · · Score: 2

    facebook donates to GOP causes...and as stated in the description, Zuck's FWD.us is actively lobbying to undercut American workers

    the idea that this system will "help democrats" is ridiculous...it's made specifically to influence votes...

    this is a product launch, and the product is a perception control system that you can pay to use

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    Thank you Dave Raggett
    1. Re:made to help the GOP by davydagger · · Score: 2

      facebook has been caugh manipulating likes before, and gaming who and what becomes trendy on facebook, so its not unlikely that facebook at some point will start actively(and queitly) policing content to make voters more affable to their political positions, as well as their advertisers content, advertisers content, being whatever politicians pay them to make their opinions popular.

      Of course to help manipulation, you are required to use your real name, facebook grabs your location, and tracks your habbits. All of this information gets put into a database come election time. They can find your greatest fears and weaknesses and use them to ply you to do your bidding. They will get in your head. They will use you friends to manipulate you.

  22. Re:That is the key point. by NotSanguine · · Score: 2

    Basically, their votes are for sale to the highest bidder. Convince them that "the man" is keeping them down and tell them who the man is and they'll vote against him/her/it. Convince them that so-and-so is like them and will stand up for their rights and they'll vote so-and-so every time. Left unchecked, the combination of uninformed voters and unlimited political contributions will be the downfall of free societies.

    An excellent point. It is the duty of citizens to vote their consciences. Since those who are elected are making decisions for us, we, as an electorate, need to educate ourselves in order to identify the right criminal^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H candidate for a given elective office. Unlimited political contributions fly in the face of this. It's rather depressing.

    On a side note, what the hell kind of country allows people to vote without verifying they're eligible to do so and are who they claim to be? I don't know what kind of warped logic that comes from, but it's so stupid that other countries are (literally, I've seen in firsthand) laughing at us. If the problem is that somehow minorities and poor people "can't afford" to get and carry a picture ID, fix THAT problem, not some almost entirely unrelated symptom. Or better yet, work on fixing the even more fundamental problem of poverty rather than whining about how this and that specific thing are somehow "not fair" to poor people...

    I don't know about where you live, but where I live there is most certainly a verification process. I must sign the election district register where there is *already* a sample of my signature. If they don't match, then it's not me. I won't be allowed to vote again either, since my signature is already recorded. That's plenty of verification for me.

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    No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
  23. Well if you aren't lobbying the voters... by Kjella · · Score: 2

    Personally I'd rather they lobby the voters than the politicians, you might say that people being gullible and easy manipulated is a flaw but at least that's democracy as designed. When politicians get paid lots of campaign contributions to buy votes while voting in favor of the corporations funding them rather than the votes electing them that's circumventing the democratic process. Not to mention that I think most voters vote for what they want to believe, facts be damned.

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  24. This election ... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    I'm voting for the fucking massive wall of text party.

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  25. Re:That is the key point. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    uniformed "sheep" voters are arguably the absolute worst threat to democracy that exists in America today.

    If you mean the police you're probably correct.

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    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  26. Zuckerberg will never pay more taxes... by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1

    The rich have lawyers and accountants to find loopholes to keep them from paying more no matter how many taxes are raised by liberal democrats. They know that ultimately it is the middle class that suffers under more taxes and the poor get poorer as opportunities dry up but rich people like Zuckerberg do not care.

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    Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
  27. Those who should be voting don't need encouraging by Prune · · Score: 1

    Why is it expected that those who don't have the motivation to vote without being prompted would be good contributors to the process? The very same people are likely to be less concerned with the outcome and to have spent no time deliberating over the platforms of the parties and candidates. There is no ethical justification for the sort of "get out the vote" program being discussed, only a strategic one--and that goes against the spirit of democracy.

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    "Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason."
  28. Those Who Click On The Button... by NotSanguine · · Score: 1

    Will be targeted by the appropriate party functionaries in the next election, since FB will be selling their PI to the various parties and campaigns. This is a *huge* money making opportunity for FB.

    Consider how FB makes money. Consider what political affiliation information can be gleaned from someone's FB history. Consider how difficult it is for political parties and campaigns to track down those who might support them, either with votes or money.

    This year (an off year), over USD$4 Billion has been spent on political campaigns. This will likely be much, much more in 2016 (in 2012, USD$7 Billion was spent on political campaigns). FB wants their piece of the pie.

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    No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
  29. Re:fuck facebook by epyT-R · · Score: 1

    what the fuck, just type 'FUCKING FUCKFACED FUCKERS'.. don't be a pantywaist about it.

  30. All so called neutral posters are democrats by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1

    The democrats are running scared and they want to do anything they can to keep republican and independents from voting for the Republicans because they know that the useful idiots who always vote for the Democrats will show up for their party no matter what the democrats have done wrong.

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  31. Vote is important by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    Vote is important. If you American people manage to get a democrat president elected, then Guantanamo prison could be closed.

    Oh, wait...

  32. Re:fuck facebook by Bob_Who · · Score: 1

    what the fuck, just type 'FUCKING FUCKFACED FUCKERS'.. don't be a pantywaist about it.

    I apologize, I was pansy coating my fucks.

    Sorry, but sometimes Facebook makes my penis fall off.

  33. Of the Business, by the Business, for the Profit by VivereJay · · Score: 1

    With reports of Google being able to sway undecided voters by tweaking the search results in favor/against electoral candidates, and now Facebook having the ability to selectively influence people to vote, how long really before we're living in a world run only for profit. That's if we aren't already doing so.

  34. Re:Holocaust 2.0 by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    The rollout of holocaust 2.0 will use Facebook to roundup political opponents, dissidents and the like."

    Sadly, all too likely: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...
    "IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation is a book by investigative journalist Edwin Black which details the business dealings of the American-based multinational corporation International Business Machines (IBM) and its German and other European subsidiaries with the government of Adolf Hitler during the 1930s and the years of World War II. In the book Black outlines the way in which IBM's technology helped facilitate Nazi genocide through generation and tabulation of punch cards based upon national census data.[1]"

    Thus I wrote, in the true spirit of "never forget":
    http://pcast.ideascale.com/a/d...
    "Now, there are many people out there (including computer scientists) who may raise legitimate concerns about privacy or other important issues in regards to any system that can support the intelligence community (as well as civilian needs). As I see it, there is a race going on. The race is between two trends. On the one hand, the internet can be used to profile and round up dissenters to the scarcity-based economic status quo (thus legitimate worries about privacy and something like TIA). On the other hand, the internet can be used to change the status quo in various ways (better designs, better science, stronger social networks advocating for some healthy mix of a basic income, a gift economy, democratic resource-based planning, improved local subsistence, etc., all supported by better structured arguments like with the Genoa II approach) to the point where there is abundance for all and rounding up dissenters to mainstream economics is a non-issue because material abundance is everywhere. So, as Bucky Fuller said, whether is will be Utopia or Oblivion will be a touch-and-go relay race to the very end. While I can't guarantee success at the second option of using the internet for abundance for all, I can guarantee that if we do nothing, the first option of using the internet to round up dissenters (or really, anybody who is different, like was done using IBM [punched card equipment] in WWII Germany) will probably prevail. So, I feel the global public really needs access to these sorts of sensemaking tools in an open source way, and the way to use them is not so much to "fight back" as to "transform and/or transcend the system". As Bucky Fuller said, you never change thing by fighting the old paradigm directly; you change things by inventing a new way that makes the old paradigm obsolete."

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    A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
  35. Good! by iamacat · · Score: 1

    So long as Citizen United stands, progressive companies and activist billionaires should take full advantage of it. Currently we allow voters to only hear from fossil fuel companies and military-industrial complex. Imagine their sites and ads suddenly disappearing from search results and news feeds, replaced by other candidates and educational messages about global warming. Let them find out how many people are still watching Comcast TV and highway billboards. Better, put a prominent link to explanation of Citizens United and videos of republicans defending it next to each ad. Let conservative voters get outraged for a right reason for a change.

  36. Already Voted by Albert71292 · · Score: 1

    We had early voting here in Looziana a couple of weeks ago. I went on the first day.

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