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Windows 8 and 8.1 Pass 15% Market Share, Windows XP Drops Below 20% Mark

An anonymous reader writes Everyone is well-aware by now that Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 have not seen the impressive adoption rate of their predecessor. Yet the duo had a particularly good run last month, finally passing 15 percent market share together. Together, they owned 16.80 percent of the market at the end of October, up from 12.26 percent at the end of September. Windows XP meanwhile dropped a whopping 6.69 points to 17.18 percent. The biggest catalyst for these changes was most likely back to school sales in September, which are better reflected in the data after students use their new machines for a full month.

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  1. Time To Change That Windows Icon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Come on, it's 2014, and slashdot is still using that broken windows avatar for Windows stories.
    Not only it that "joke" not funny anymore, it's not even true. Windows might not be great, but its hardly broken like in the days of 95 or 98.

    It is long past time you grow up and use the correct logo.

    1. Re: Time To Change That Windows Icon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's not supposed to be funny. Windows 8 is broken, and consumers have been very vocal about that.

    2. Re:Time To Change That Windows Icon by ganjadude · · Score: 5, Funny

      bring back borg gates

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    3. Re: Time To Change That Windows Icon by duck_rifted · · Score: 5, Informative

      Windows 8.1 sends my every search query to Microsoft if I don't block them by IP at the DNS, router, and hosts file levels. It regularly disables my wireless card so that it can reset it and verify my connection by reestablishing the link with Microsoft's privacy-invading servers. Windows 8.1 has a kind of crash I've never seen in any Windows version until this one: memory management. As in, with Windows 8.1 Microsoft has actually failed to correctly produce a functioning, reliable core operating system component.

      I rarely talk bad about Windows 8 or Windows 8.1 because it's nigh on impossible to lament its failures without people popping out of the woodwork to detract from conversation. I bet this post will be marked "troll", but I'm not pretending, I'm not trying to elicit a negative emotional response, I don't want to start an argument, and I'm not just bashing Microsoft. MS has done many great things as well, since Windows 8 was released. Accessibility to assistance in learning Windows programming is better than ever before, as one example, and their support and development communities have grown in quality by leaps and bounds.

      Now let's mention the one and only discussion we've seen about Windows 10 having a keylogger embedded in it while overlooking that random forum posters have said that it's because the OS is in beta but Microsoft has never confirmed that the keylogger would be removed.

      Windows 7 is still the best operating system for consumers. Linux suffers from inaccessibility to software, though steps are being taken to correct that now. Apple OS represents a culture and not a technical solution. Windows still reigns as king, but Windows 8 and onward thus far remain to potentially dethrone it.

    4. Re: Time To Change That Windows Icon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      We're bashing GNOME 3 and Firefox in this thread of discussion. Please leave Windows out of it.

      You may redeem yourself by saying something negative about GNOME 3, Firefox, or even systemd.

    5. Re: Time To Change That Windows Icon by vux984 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Windows 8.1 sends my every search query to Microsoft if I don't block them by IP at the DNS, router, and hosts file levels.

      Gosh...if you search for something, and it looks on the web, it gets sent to the web search engine. Those bastards.

      Oh wait... well, suppose you don't WANT it to search the web, just the local computer? And Microsoft forces every search to go the web? Those bastards!

      Oh wait... you can turn that 'feature' off? Let me guess -- its a registry hack or some obscure command line thing right? Its actually simpler to block them at the DNS, router, and hosts level... Those bastards.

      Oh wait... its a simple gui accessible option in search. The section is called "Use Bing to search online" and the option is called "Get search suggestions and web results from Bing", and its a simple on or off.

      Well... other operating systems don't pull this shit... uhoh... OSX Spotlight has this option too? And Ubuntu does too?

      Overreact much? Did you even think to look whether you could simply turn it off before you ran to your firewall configuration in your router?

    6. Re: Time To Change That Windows Icon by rubycodez · · Score: 2

      so what if GNOME is broken, we've moved on to better Linux UI.

      The slashdot windows icon should stay, Windows 8.x is an embarassment. Even the hoopla about 9 suddenly being replaced with "we're skipping to 10 next year" is a farce.

    7. Re: Time To Change That Windows Icon by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

      Gnome3 is almost as bad as Win8!

      Sorry, best I can do.

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    8. Re: Time To Change That Windows Icon by 0123456 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Honestly, I sometimes think the Gnome team must have paid Microsoft to release Window 8, just so they could point at a UI that's worse than theirs.

    9. Re: Time To Change That Windows Icon by ericloewe · · Score: 2

      "Windows asks me on first boot whether or not to send my searches to Microsoft so that Bing is integrated in the OS" doesn't have the same ring as "OMG! M$ IS CAPTURING EVERYTHING I SEARCH UNLESS I BLOCK IT AT MY FIREWALL!"

    10. Re: Time To Change That Windows Icon by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      Apple OS represents a culture and not a technical solution.

      WTF does that even mean. Throwing a flashy UI on top of Unix seems like a decent technical decision to me.

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    11. Re: Time To Change That Windows Icon by westlake · · Score: 2

      Windows 8.1 sends my every search query to Microsoft if I don't block them by IP at the DNS, router, and hosts file levels.

      To configure Smart Search, you need to visit PC Settings, the new Metro-based replacement for Control Panel, and navigate to Search and Apps, and then Search.

      Use Bing to Search Online. Enabled by default, this option determines whether Bing-driven web results appear in the Search results page. If you set this to Off, you will no longer see these results (and will only see Everywhere, Settings, and Files as options in the Search pane).

      Your Search Experience. This option---available only when Use Bing to Search Online is set to On---determines whether Bing personalizes its search results for you and for your location. If you're going to leave Bing searching enabled, I recommend leaving this on its default: Get Personalized Results From Bing That Use My Location.

      My advice? Leave it alone and give it a shot. But if you do end up wanting to turn off the Bing web integration, that's how you do so.

      Windows 8.1 Tip: Configure Smart Search

      It regularly disables my wireless card so that it can reset it and verify my connection by reestablishing the link with Microsoft's privacy-invading servers.

      On occasions, the system is programmed to turn off the Wi-Fi adapter, when idle. This might be the reason for your spoiled Wireless connection. Troubleshoot the situation by deactivating this feature of Windows 8.1 and see if it works out.

      Press Windows key + W on your keyboard to initiate Start search.
      Type Network and Sharing Center in the search box and hit Enter to open its window.
      In this window, choose your Wi-Fi network and the Wi-Fi Status screen will appear.
      Click the Properties button near the lower left corner to open another window.
      In Wi-Fi Properties window, click on the button titled Configure. Go to the Power Management tab; uncheck the following option and click OK button.
      Allow the computer to turn off this device to save power.

      If the problem persists, replace the adapter.

      Windows 8.1 has a kind of crash I've never seen in any Windows version until this one: memory management.

      The reason you've never seen this crash before is because it is also most likely a hardware error. MEMORY_MANAGEMENT error in Windows 8.1

      In twenty years as a Windows home user, truly bizarre and outrageous behavior has always come down to a hardware problem --- sometimes an easy fix like resetting a chip or board, sometimes a warning that the system is EOL Time to pull the plug.

      Now let's mention the one and only discussion we've seen about Windows 10 having a keylogger embedded in it while overlooking that random forum posters have said that it's because the OS is in beta but Microsoft has never confirmed that the keylogger would be removed.

      There is no need to read the random forum post. Privacy Statements for Windows Technical PreviewThe Win 10 preview explicitly targets the enthusiast and the IT Pro. It is not an open public Beta as that term is generally understood.

    12. Re: Time To Change That Windows Icon by Tsolias · · Score: 2

      Linux suffers from inaccessibility to software

      I strongly disagree(actually by definition this is false). Linux never suffered from inaccessibility, you *ALWAYS* had your repositories full of software. On top of that you had several solutions to pick from. I'd I agree with you *if* you mentioned poor quality software(e.g. feature incomplete, or difficult to use)
      Actually, MS and Apple copied the way *BSD and Linux distribute their software/packages,simply via repositories... Yes the Apple Store the AppStore the aPPsTORE and all those "I invented it first" *bs* concepts, decent from the simple idea of creating a repository for all your available programs so the user had a front-end to the package manager that collected the software list and you could choose your application.
      Simple as that
      In conclusion, Windows reigns as king because they are the only one who is licensing their OS to PC makers... and PC makers want to keep following the safe path to big sales and that goes with the one who is able to advertise. End of story.

      Actually MS is making windows crappier and crappier for production because they never made money from those huge purchasers. A company or an institute that buys services from MS, get their Windows and some version of their Office suite for free, while they pay a lot for other staff. So they focus on fb users and "twitterers" because those are the ones who are paying for basic and home edition.... plain useless and feature naked versions.

    13. Re: Time To Change That Windows Icon by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

      WTF does that even mean.

      It means that the printer needs more legal size paper.

  2. Windows 7 by uolamer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    FTA: "These gains did not come at the expense of Windows 7, which still managed to grow 0.34 points to 53.05 percent."

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    1. Re:Windows 7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Windows 8 is pretty good once you install something like Start8. They really have improved a lot of things. Aside from the Metro UI, use of which can be reduced over 95%, by using Start8 and setting your file associations right, what is so bad about Windows 8? It is a little bit less shiny, more boxy, but it runs fantastic.

      Have you actually given it an honest try? Use it every day for two months, with a start menu replacement, and you will have enough time to realize all the good stuff.

    2. Re:Windows 7 by vux984 · · Score: 2

      FTA: "These gains did not come at the expense of Windows 7, which still managed to grow 0.34 points to 53.05 percent."

      Its not surprising really, if you have 7 there's really no compelling reason to upgrade to 8.1. Note that I like 8.1 just fine, its not worth the trouble of upgrading from 7. Especially not at the prices Microsoft is charging for it. I've got 3 Win7 laptop/PCs and even 2 older laptops the kids now use that still have Vista... I'd put 8.1 on all of them... but not at $120 for 8.1 or $200 for 8.1 Pro EACH. I'm simply not going to pay $600 to $1000 to upgrade my home computers to 8.1.

      If it were to cost $200 or less to upgrader the entire home, sure. I'd do it, but not at $1000. Not when I know Windows 10 is coming. Not when I know the old laptops are only last another year or so. Not when I know why I buy a new laptop it'll come with the current version on it.

      People migrate to the current versions with apple because its free, and in the last few years before that nearly free. Couple that with Apple's extremely aggressive discontinuation of support for anything more than 1 version back and people HAVE to upgrade.

      Microsoft is more established in enterprises, and has much longer support cycles... it doesn't matter how good windows 7 is (nevermind your feelings about 8.1 or the upcoming 10 are) .. XP is still clinging on and will for years to come.

      Reality is that consumers will get the new OS when they buy a new computer. And businesses will get the new OS -- any new OS, kicking and screaming, when they have no choice.

    3. Re:Windows 7 by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm curious - do you use a touch-screen system? Because obviously the OS is designed primarily for that form factor. I'd imagine it would be a pretty good experience there. If not, congratulations... you're a very tolerant person who can adapt well to less-than-optimal UI experiences.

      A few of the annoyances, since you asked: Unnecessarily hidden-by-default UI is very sensible on small or touch form factors, but unfortunately, utterly retarded on giant screens with plenty of real estate and using a mouse and keyboard, which represents about 99% of the market (I'd guess). How about the idiocy of putting popup menus in the corners of the screen - right in the place where your mouse happens to land to close a window? Full screen metro apps that can't be resized? On a 27" high-resolution monitor... seriously? The start button was just a convenient focus for consumer annoyance, but yeah, normal people actually still use that button, even if the cool kids don't. How brilliant was it for them to completely remove a convenient, functional, and well-known design element that people have literally been using for a good portion of their entire lives? No, Windows 8 was a mountain of fail from a design and usability standpoint. There's absolutely no getting around this.

      Yes, you can get used to just about anything if you use it long enough, of course. It's not like Windows 8 is unusable, but frankly, it's just more annoying to use (and uglier) than Windows 7, and as such, why the heck would I "upgrade"? There are obviously a lot of folks who feel the same way too. There are some nice new features, but none of them are really compelling enough to get past the annoyances.

      Windows 10 looks to fix just about all the major complaints people currently have with 8 (except for the ugly visual theme). Really, they should have fixed all this stuff with Windows 8 - they had to have gotten a crapload of early feedback that users were not happy with it, but they arrogantly decided that they knew better, I guess. Microsoft is looking a lot more humble these days, and that's a good thing for users.

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    4. Re:Windows 7 by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People who think before they purchase the next new thing? People who are not so tied to others opinions that they still use stuff that works? Like their legs and brains. People who recognize not all change is for the better.

      People smarter than you.

      You forgot one:

      People who tried Windows 8, and discovered that is indeed a steaming pile of pig shit.

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  3. Wondering about those numbers. by __aatgod8309 · · Score: 2

    It's interesting that while 8.1 is around 10%-ish, 8 is still about 5%. Considering 8.1 is a free update for registered copies of 8, how many of the un-updated copies of 8 are pirated versions?

    1. Re:Wondering about those numbers. by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's interesting that while 8.1 is around 10%-ish, 8 is still about 5%. Considering 8.1 is a free update for registered copies of 8, how many of the un-updated copies of 8 are pirated versions?

      What would be the point of pirating Windows 8?

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    2. Re:Wondering about those numbers. by Que_Ball · · Score: 4, Interesting

      8.1 is not an automatic update.  It requires launching the store, accepting the update and waiting for the lengthy download and install process to finish.  I have seen plenty of Windows 8 PC's that nobody bothered to upgrade.  Not a single person I have talked to still running 8.0 was even aware of the upgrade.  It's not like they made a conscious choice to stick with 8.0, they simply didn't bother to even find out.  Microsoft would have to make a greater effort to force them to upgrade through automatic update and continuous prompts that keep requesting permission to download and upgrade when they boot up to get this to change.

      That's pretty much the one and only reason why most of these users have not upgraded on their own.  95% of those windows 8.0 users are simply not clued in to the fact an upgrade should be done.  4% likely had problems getting the upgrade to install or download so just stick with 8.0 rather than troubleshoot the issue.  Lets peg 1% or less are those choosing to stick with 8.0 (good enough for them, corporate standard, too much trouble, not enough bandwidth to download, etc etc)

    3. Re:Wondering about those numbers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's interesting that while 8.1 is around 10%-ish, 8 is still about 5%.

      Perhaps 8.1 is the one that comes with downgrade to Windows7 option. I wonder if they counted how many licenses are downgraded after purchase.

      This is measuring actual usage, not what people bought.

    4. Re: Wondering about those numbers. by Luckyo · · Score: 2

      Except that it doesn't "slip in as Windows Update" but requires significant user interaction to install. Which means ignorant user trained to say "no" to every prompt he didn't click something to create says "no" and doesn't install it.

  4. What would be more interesting would be by Crashmarik · · Score: 2

    What percentage windows has captured of the overall device market, instead of just the desktop market.

    1. Re: What would be more interesting would be by kenh · · Score: 3, Informative

      HP is offering an 11" windows 8 notebook w/ 2 meg RAM and 32 Gig SSD for $199. Oh, and it comes with 12 months of Office 365 AND 12 months of 1 TB OneDrive cloud storage... And it can run any any Windows application... The appeal of the Chromebook is what, exactly?

      For $50 more, HP will sell you a similar laptop with a 13" touch screen and a slightly larger form-factor.

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    2. Re: What would be more interesting would be by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The appeal of the Chromebook is what, exactly?

      It doesn't run Window 8.

  5. how many sales are forced? by roc97007 · · Score: 2

    I wonder how many of Windows 8.X's sales are "forced", IE, preinstalled on a PC that a consumer bought because they needed a PC, not because they wanted Windows 8? Stipulating that the consumer is not a geek, and not aware that they might be able to ask for Windows 7 preinstalled instead?

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    1. Re:how many sales are forced? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 3, Funny

      Little squares. That's the future of computing.

      Now that's a pretty dystopian world. Worse than Blade Runner.

      If you prefer little squares with rounded corners, you can buy a Mac.

  6. I like it. feature of the ghetto. by swschrad · · Score: 3, Informative

    and I swore a lot less at Win98 than I did at 8.0. Win8.1 is useable, but still bites at your fingers now and again.

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  7. Home vs Corporate by DigiShaman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Based on past experience, most of those Windows 8 and 8.1 purchases are home and student based. Businesses are either exercising their Windows 8 downgrade rights and sticking with Windows 7 Pro, or holding out for a true successor, possibly being Windows 10.

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    1. Re:Home vs Corporate by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 2

      It's an instrumented build that's only been released to the wild for the purpose of testing and improving the OS itself. There's nothing shady about a piece of beta software reporting on what the user was doing shortly before a crash or other bug causes it to phone home. This is how they fix bugs and make improvements. There's won't be a real "keylogger" in Windows 10, per se.

      That being said, from a privacy standpoint, I'd be much more concerned about how OSes are now sending local search data out to the net (Windows 8 and Ubuntu) to be directly monetized by personalized ads, or how Google, Facebook, and the NSA probably know more about your personal life than your mother at this point thanks to their relentless mass data collection and aggregation. Or how major carriers like Verizon and AT&T are embedding tracking cookies directly into served HTML in order to collect information about you that they sell directly to advertisers.

      Not quite keylogging, but getting pretty fucking close, if you ask me.

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  8. No mistake by sjbe · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I thought linux is like 20%. One percent is sort of like "other" in my book.

    Linux's market share in desktop PCs is pretty much a rounding error. Always has been and that isn't likely to change soon. You'll find plenty of linux in mobile and servers but not in desktop or laptop PCs.

    1. Re:No mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Its worse than that, Gnome3/Unity/etc are actively pushing users either back to Windows or to Macs with their terrible designs.

    2. Re:No mistake by 0123456 · · Score: 2

      Some, perhaps. The smart folks just install Mint's MATE edition.

  9. Windows 8.1 is an improvement over 8.0 by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 2

    I have to say... I have three Windows 8.0 Pro licences that I purchased at launch when they were cheap... I've tried it several times, never could stand it, just wasn't finished...

    Recently I bought a new Dell laptop that came with Windows 8.1 and was pleasantly surprised at the improvements.

    While my main machine will probably run Windows 7 until Windows 10 comes out, I've upgraded several other machines from 7 to 8.1 now using my existing licenses.

    I have to say, had Windows 8 launched as 8.1 stands today, I think most of the hate would have been gone, it is "cleaned up" and an improvement in many ways over 8.0.

    Looking forward to 10...

    1. Re:Windows 8.1 is an improvement over 8.0 by perryizgr8 · · Score: 2

      I have also switched from Win 7 to 8.1 and it really is better. Many things are better streamlined and faster. And small features here and there that just make life easier. Like native iso mounting. Start screen does not bother me much because I used to use search anyway in Win 7 also. I just press the Win button and start searching. Startup and sleep times are way better, and in-built Skydrive and skype are good. I also like some Metro apps like calculator because I can fix it in the side and it's nice to use that way. Ditto for chat apps and skype. Also, metro apps now show up in the taskbar which is waaaaaaaaaaaaay better than that invisible sidebar.

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  10. Mac won the desktop Unix battle by perpenso · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Apple OS represents a culture and not a technical solution.

    The popularity of MacBooks at Linux and Unix conferences indicate you are wrong. Mac won the desktop Unix battle. Consumer friendly GUI on top, with a lot of off-the-shelf commercial support. BSD Unix underneath, most FOSS applications run just fine on Mac OS X. Very few apps are Linux specific.

    Personally most *nix things that I need to do can be accomplished on a Mac quite nicely. I mainly use Linux for embedded devices and headless servers sitting in the closet. I have a dual-boot PC with Windows for gaming but I rarely boot into Linux.

    1. Re:Mac won the desktop Unix battle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Mac didn't win the "desktop Unix" battle. It won the non-Windows desktop manager battle. It's not really a Unix desktop, it just sits on top of a Unix subsystem, much like how Android sits on top of Linux. The only difference is that it more of the userland apps, which are rarely ever used by anyone who isn't a developer. But it doesn't adhere to a Unix philosophy at the high level, so it's not a proper Unix desktop. Try running Unix apps, and it has to start a proper Unix desktop to do so.

    2. Re:Mac won the desktop Unix battle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Mac OS X offers a BSD console and support for X11 apps. Native Mac OS X apps have direct access to *nix APIs and it is quite normal and effortless to use them.

      You contradict yourself regarding Unix philosophy. In Unix philosophy users often string together those userland apps together to accomplish some task.

      You grossly misrepresent Android. Android is not based on Linux, it is hosted on Linux. Android is more of its own operating system. Android users can not access Linux. Android developers do not normally see or even have access to Linux. While an Android developer can get around this and access Linux via the NDK, its a somewhat unnatural thing to do and brings about compatibility issues.

  11. Re:There are reasons Windows 8 isn't popular by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

    I don't really see any difference between the Windows 8 desktop and the Windows 7 desktop - other than the Start button. Do you mean the OPTIONAL Windows Metro UI? No need to ever use that, you know...

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  12. Re:In related news... by a_n_d_e_r_s · · Score: 2

    Since this is usage stats. Lets looks at client usage stats on internet:

    Windows 57.12%
    Linux 20.12%
    Apple 18.04%
    Other 4.74%

    Stats are from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems

    So yes Linux has come a long way. Windows may still own the desktop. Market share in what is though of as the PC-market (desktop/laptop/nettbook) its only 1.64% today. But in market share of the computers that are used to surf on the net, supercomputers, servers real time system there Linux are thriving.

    Linux is in second place and increasing in the IT that folks use today

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  13. XP is better by Lehk228 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    i would rather deal with unsupported XP with viruses than the steaming dog turd called windows 8. it was the most infuriating UI I have ever had the displeasure of using, and I lived through the rise and fall of macromedia flash websites

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  14. Not sure where those numbers come from by jsndgrss · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would posit that new sales (where the consumer doesn't have a choice) is responsible for the Win8 numbers rising. From the feedback I get from my friends and acquaintances it doesn't seem to be from consumers making a "choice" that they want Win8. And I really have to question XP dropping below 20%, at least in a business environment. I generally see about 50/50 between Win7 and XP among our customers and the businesses we come in contact with. And everywhere I go XP still appears to be the dominant OS behind retailer's POS systems. We have upgraded a fair number of our customers to Win7 Pro (as many as we could convince) but there is still more than 20% of them on XP. Not sure who "venturebeat" is, but look around, the numbers just don't seem quite accurate.

  15. Re:There are reasons Windows 8 isn't popular by ray-auch · · Score: 2

    C:\> shutdown /t 1

    Just like before