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Pirate Bay Co-founder Arrested In Northeastern Thailand

New submitter SeeingMole writes, just a few days after Pirate Bay founder Gottfrid Warg was found guilty in Denmark, that Thai immigration police arrested 36-year-old Fredrik Neij, aka TiAMO, while driving a car to pass through the border checkpoint from Laos into Thailand with his Lao wife. He was wearing the same shirt that he wore in his arrest warrant photo. In 2009, Neij was convicted along with Per Svartholm Warg, Peter Sunde Kolmisoppi and Carl Lundstroem of 'assisting in making copyright content available' in Stockholm, Sweden. Also at the BBC; thanks to reader iONiUM.

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  1. That's what you get by evil+crash · · Score: 5, Funny

    For wearing the same shirt. If only he had changed, they never would have noticed him.

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    1. Re:That's what you get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      that's quite probable, is Thai authorities we are talking about anyways and it's.. well. let's just say that I would be very surprised if they fucking knew who was in the country or if there's an actual database of people with visas.

      you see, it's lucrative business to sell visas, for the personnel who have access to them, since the rules about how to get legit visas to stay without doing stupid border runs every 3 months is scarce and they're doing a terrible job of communicating how to do it. of course, now with the "new administration" they're doing a crackdown on corruption(that is, a crackdown that is done by a multimillionaire general) - so they arrested some guy few months back who had been selling visas.

      I think he was doing this as a visa run because he had done it multiple times before? but that is, if he had been doing it multiple times, there's a crackdown on that too. they'll even sell you a visa(at the consulate in laos) and then tell you at the border no. should have gone to some other country that wasn't in a police related international debacle at the moment.

      (disclaimer, I've spent the last year in northeast Thailand, working as a programmer for a foreign owned company that sells consulting, programming etc to the country of our origin and just keeps few devs here and pays us less but on the other hand it's fucking snowing in my home country now and comfy 30C here and you can buy lunch for a dollar - and yes I'm quite sure the local police would be so petty as to look for some international case "to do good" to turn away attention from Koh Tao. yes, they are that naive). just posting as anon because uh, who the fuck knows, the fucks even fucked up by instructing an isp to ban facebook few months back and then trying to backpedal that they didn't. the ban lasted all of one afternoon before hasty reversal, apparently they had instructed them to ban a specific PAGE on facebook without FUCKING UNDERSTANDING ANYTHING ABOUT HTTPS. the current dictator is also seriously off his rocker, and believes in ghosts and spells.. the economy is in the shitter too but "future feeling" index is 90% happy. it's good that our company isn't in any way dependent on the local economy.

    2. Re:That's what you get by mjwx · · Score: 2

      that's quite probable, is Thai authorities we are talking about anyways and it's.. well. let's just say that I would be very surprised if they fucking knew who was in the country or if there's an actual database of people with visas.

      There would definitely be a database and it would be up to date...

      "Fines" for visa overstays are very lucrative.

      Thailand is still under military rule at the moment (yeah I can tell you're shocked given how uncommon coups are in Thailand) so there has been a tightening of immigration controls as well as a crackdown on organised crime and government graft.

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    3. Re: That's what you get by omnipotens · · Score: 2

      Sorry, but I beg to differ, strongly. TPB has evolved into one of the great repositories of human knowledge. If a meatspace protest could save a web site, I would be in for it. Copyright is a poison. This man is a hero of the 21st Century, and in his shoes, I simply hope that I'd display the same level of ballsiness. His arrest illustrates the power of the MAFIAA.

  2. Yarr, a dark day for all we sea dogs by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Funny

    A swig of grog for our mateys who are rotting in the brig! :-(

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  3. What a shame by metrix007 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ALl this man did was help build a search enging allowing people to share.

    This only benefits society.

    There is no stealing, despite what some ignorant people unable to think for themselves claim.

    Is there a loss in profit for original work? No doubt, but I would argue this is superseded by a) the increase in sales that piracy has been shown to affect, and b) the huge benefit to society by allowing information to be more freely accessible, to inspire and educate.

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    1. Re:What a shame by CaseCrash · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well, you are still taking the copy without paying for it. That copy still carries a value even when the plain act of copying does not involve any manufacturing costs. I can't believe how tough concept this often is for slashdotters.

      I can't believe you still don't get it. Taking that copy causes NO loss of resources to the artist, the resources being used are by the sharer and the downloader. The artist didn't lose anything.

      That the artist didn't get paid for that copy is irrelevant. That's just a failure in their business model. I can't charge you for every time you download and read this comment, even if I wanted to.

      The thing you keep missing is that the artist (or record company, or estate or whatever) DOES NOT deserve to get paid for every single copy of their song, forever and ever. If you aren't making enough money doing what you are doing, then do something else.

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    2. Re:What a shame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We have, for society as a whole", created a value or 1.000.001 times what we otherwise would have acheived. This is a enourmous benefit for us all. When it comes to music this might be filed under the "doesn't really matter", but when it comes to other stuff such as medicines or inventions that could be as important as survival for individuals or for society as a whole...

      If, because of restrictive copyright/patent issues, or economic or social development is held back, lets say 5% of what it would otherwise be, this has an ENORMOUS impact over 50 or 100 years.

      The whole raison d'être behind copyright is to stimulate more inventions/music to be produced not to make copyright lawyers and the media mafiaa rich. I would argue that today it works against what it was DESIGNED for.

      Despite the by Hollywood bought "justice" in this case inovation is powefull. Do you think Spotify would exist if the piratebay (and similar services) didn't? That is also a benifit to society. Fredrik Neij and his colleagues has done more for the music industry and for humanity as a whole than 99.9% of people, certainly more than me or you or anyone in the media conglomerate.

    3. Re:What a shame by Richard_at_work · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The thing you keep missing is that the artist (or record company, or estate or whatever) DOES NOT deserve to get paid for every single copy of their song, forever and ever.

      That's an opinion, not a fact that can be "missed". And its your opinion - don't assume anyone else holds the same opinion.

      There already exists a means by which the complete rights to a work can be bought, eliminating re-occurring sales in the process - but typically that puts the work well outside the purchase ability of a normal person.

    4. Re:What a shame by fafaforza · · Score: 3

      I've found many many links to torrents, and even direct downloads, using Google. Why aren't the founders of Google on trial? If TPB pointed to copyrighted material, it's up to the owners to request removal, no? Do you expect a search engine to have a legal team researching copyright and trademark data?

    5. Re:What a shame by CaseCrash · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Duhh. Neither does the artist make any money.

      So? The copy doesn't mean that downloader would have ever given any money to the artist if that was the only way to obtain the file, they might (probably) would have just gotten something else for free instead (or be willing to pay a lower, but not offered in the marketplace, rate). That's why we have all these new methods of paying artists like donations (pay what you want), kickstarter (like for the latest Zach Braff movie), indiegogo, etc. (as well as the traditional methods like t-shirts and swag and concerts, seeing the movie in the theater for the theater experience)

      These are inherently ephemeral goods; there is no real world resource loss. Whether they get paid once or a billion times, the amount of work has not changed. Even if they never get paid, like plenty of artists who work their whole lives at their craft and never even make rent money.

      If you can't make money doing what you are doing, then do something else.

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    6. Re:What a shame by LordLimecat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually yes, they are.

      Intent is pretty important in law, as is whether the crime was willful or not.

    7. Re:What a shame by CrankyFool · · Score: 2

      What I love about this is that when people on this thread post about the crappy quality of content produced by the entertainment industry -- as a way to explain why it's obscene that they're trying to charge for it -- they get modded up. And when people describe that content as something that sharing of which creates a "huge benefit to soceity by allowing information to ... inspire and educate" they get modded up.

      "Guardians of the Galaxy is Grade-B superhero trash! That will inspire and educate future generations!"

      The abstract case, of course, is "comments critical of the entertainment industry and efforts to control unpaid distribution of their work get modded up."

    8. Re:What a shame by clarkkent09 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How does a book author make money from touring? He spends years writing a book and some jackass puts it on a website for free and makes money off advertising and buys a house in Phuket.

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    9. Re:What a shame by Zeromous · · Score: 2

      Well he certainly didn't put it on a website.

      Person A writes book and publishes it for sale.
      Person B writes software engine for searching
      Person B decide to use their search engine for sharing of torrent file data.
      Person C enjoys person A's book and creates and uploads torrent of Person A's book, (which is just a pointer to Person Cs computer at this time) to search engine and begins seeding. Person C has nothing to do with Person B. They don't know each other, have never spoken, or implicitly communicated for any purpose.
      Person D .. Z download torrent, complete dowloading the file, and then seed to others who have not yet completed downloading.
      Person B notices a lot of traffic to his search engine and puts advertising on it to recoup costs, ends up making profit.

      Please explain to me how Person B profited off of Person A's work and not his own? If anyone is responsible it is Person C, and possibly D through Z (but it's definitely Person C who performed the infringement).

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  4. Re:um yea by Zocalo · · Score: 5, Informative

    I doubt very much that his method of communication with others had anything to do with things. He was arrested at a border checkpoint, so I suspect all that happened was they checked his ID as a matter of routine and got a red flag because of the arrest warrant. I doubt very much that a Thai/Loatian border guard would even know who Fredrik Neij was, let alone recognise his shirt as being the one in his arrest photo. What's more surprising to me is that Neij was attempting border crossings with an outstanding international arrest warrant - unless he wasn't aware of the warrant or the Thailand-Laos border control isn't particularly robust.

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  5. Thank Goodness... by Rick+in+China · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Welp, they got him! Don't we all feel so much safer. After all, the heinous crime of "assisting in making copyright content available" surely warrants the international manhunts. I can walk downstairs and buy a stack of any movies or games or, well, anything I wish in the open in China..good thing countries like the US use grand tools like embargos to press the Chinese government to do something about it!

    It's easy to pick a famous name - or create symbols for these 'wars' and spend ridiculous amounts of money on the behalf of old-style big business with lobbyists and donations...but the solution to piracy is to change the business model employed by the companies or artists who are being hurt by piracy. Louis CK famously sold $1mil in a week worth of $5 specials on his own website, why? Because he put out a great product and said: You don't need to sign up with a bunch of information or provide me with a bunch of details, or opt into some kind of marketing scheme, you can give me $5 and get a product, and watch it anywhere on any device you want..or pirate it.. do whatever you like - but I'm trying to provide a quality product and hopefully you'll appreciate that.

    The alternative is to fall into the game, music, and movie big industry problem of pushing out a massive amount of shit at high 'standardised' pricing to audiences who are tired of spending too much and getting too little, and as a result, driving people to simply pirate and try things before deciding what they really want to support. Personally I pirate most of my games, I also bought legitimate consoles and buy legitimate copies of games I *really* want, or buy authentic DVD/sets when there is something I really like out there - 100% of which I have already seen.

    They'll get the hint, someday, or crumble eventually. For now, people like Gottfrid need to be admired for what they've contributed to making change happen.

  6. He must pay for his crimes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Fuck dude. Maybe you should realize that you are useless. You provide no value. You job and thousands like you can be replaced by exactly 0 people. The small niche players were never cared for or looked after by the likes of you. They provided you no money, so you were no interested. With the democratization of the internet, the small players may actually have a niche. But you can buy off your hired guns and arrest people like this. So I guess you can continue making money for a little while

  7. Re:The long arm of the law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The long arm of the law only extends to copyright. Stick to tax fraud and there is apparently nothing they can do.

  8. SRT has come a long way ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... SRT has been in development for several years and its success rate improved greatly after Google bought out the shirt recognition technology site, "Shirt Happens," back in 2011.

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  9. Re:um yea by ruir · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Maybe he is used to do it, and this time forgot to bring money to bribe someone.

  10. Re:He must pay for his crimes by walterbyrd · · Score: 2

    "Crimes?"

    Maybe a technicality, but isn't copyright violation a civil matter, and not a crime?

  11. Re:Another terrorist off the street by Thanshin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He committed horrible atrocities against Sony and EA's profits!!

    It would be less sad if they had at least proved that.

  12. Re:Pffft by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 2

    I'm curious if you and the parent both feel very strongly about ethics in games journalism

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  13. the pirate bay is an excellent honeypot. by nimbius · · Score: 2

    The Pirate bay is well known, high profile, and a very receptive target for litigation. the founders likely know that arresting them, imprisoning them, and litigating them will have very little impact on torrent and file sharing sites as a whole. TPB is sufficiently clustered to avoid most politically induced outages, while full outages merely drive the support and creation of new sites and technologies to avoid future outages and tracking. Magnet links and SSL were a direct result of TPB users feeling insecure.

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  14. Thailand by ehiris · · Score: 3, Informative

    At least Thailand can now get back to what they do best. Child prostitution, human trafficking, destroying their reef, heroin production led by the elite, fake purses, and selling dvds of new movies in broad daylight. Oh, and killing poor drug users.

  15. Re:Another terrorist off the street by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 2

    I don't think Gitmo is where he should go, but as a guy who was co-responsible for a site that vomits malware through sketchy as fuck ads, he should have to answer for his crimes on some level.

    (Saying that people who don't run adblock deserve the shit they get is victim blaming, so don't be an asshole)

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  16. Re:Another terrorist off the street by fibonacci8 · · Score: 4, Funny

    To be fair, EA has committed far more horrible atrocities against EA's profits.

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  17. Re:Another terrorist off the street by fafaforza · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Devil's advocate, but shady "finance" people that rip off unsuspecting moms with investment ideas and pyramid schemes. No violent crime. No one dead. Should they be given a pass?

  18. He should have... by CimmerianX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just think that if he had sold billions of bad mortgages and defrauded both investors and the public sending the entire world economy to the brink of collapse, he would have gotten no jail time and a multi-billion dollar bailout.

    Instead he built a web page that lets people find trackers, and he must be put away for life.

    'Merica!!!!!

  19. Re:He must pay for his crimes by rioki · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If I recall correctly, they where convicted of criminal copyright infringement. If I post an image on my website that is normal copyright infringement, but if print that same image on cards and sell them I am criminal copyright infringement. The difference is that I do it in a "commercial way" and with "significant damage". The really important difference is that copyright holders can get the police involved and serve jail sentences in criminal copyright infringement.

    But your assertion is correct, copyright is a civil matter, how they got criminal copyright infringement is a mystery to me. This is especially perverse, since the maximum jail sentence for criminal copyright infringement is 3 years and rape is 2 years.

  20. Re:The long arm of the law by LordLimecat · · Score: 2

    Tell that to Al Capone.

  21. Note to self by sootman · · Score: 3, Funny

    Discard the shirts I'm wearing in all my mugshots.

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  22. Re:He must pay for his crimes by fnj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Try this, leave your home and car unlocked so that others can have free access to your stuff. Your stuff wants to be free, let it go.

    Do you have any conception whatsoever of how lame that rhetoric is? I'd like to think you do, and that it is just cynical misdirection, but I have my doubts. I think possibly you are so brainwashed or you have an axe to grind in terms of personal livelihood that you really don't have any conception of the issues.

    Anyway, I'll spell it out. Your parallel is blatantly false. If you take stuff out of my car and home and into yours or somebody else's, you deprive me of the use of my property. You can't readily "copy" my car or my car radio or living room sofa in a magic replicator, while still leaving me the original. If you could do that, more power to you. Of course I wouldn't mind in the least. Some day, when the Star Trek universe becomes reality, such replication might become possible.

    Copying movies and songs does not involve any theft. Nobody loses access to the movie or the song. Only somebody else now enjoys the same access, and has in no way inconvenienced anyone thereby. Yes, the guys with the thoroughly obsolete business model will be annoyed at its disruption. But they should be annoyed at reality, the harsh undeniable universe, and the march of progress, not people whose only sin is that they actually understand reality and progress. I don't get my kicks from seeing people facing a hardship making their livelihood because of progress, but I am in contempt of the viewpoint that they are entitled.

    You can make a stand against the electrophotographic copier, digital computing and copying equipment, and communications infrastructure like the internet. I prefer to use them and marvel at the benefits they provide.

    Disclaimer: I don't try to profit or make a living by violating copyright. A sufficient reason - I won't claim the only reason - is because I am a sniveling coward and have no wish to rot in jail. I have the common decency to neither condemn nor praise such activity.

  23. Re:The long arm of the law by Zeromous · · Score: 2

    I don't recall Al Capone leaving the country.

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  24. Re:Pffft by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

    While games are among the things you can pirate on TPB, there isn't much to do with games here. Though with regard to his wife...I'm pretty sure that's a mail order bride situation, only due to the circumstances of avoiding incarceration he came to live in her native country. You can see the details of their marriage arrangement in that documentary called TPB AFK, and it's apparent that he paid a sum of money to be able to marry her, and she doesn't really seem *that* fond of him in any of the shots that she's in.

    I don't think mail order bride situations are all bad mind you. I've met a few of the women in such a situation, and they seem to prefer their present situation WAY more than what they had prior to the arrangement. One of the ones I knew used to live in the Philippines, and she told me how she almost died there when some Islamic activist ended up suicide bombing a bus that she luckily happened to be late for. That, and she was dirt poor there.