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Study Shows How Humans Can Echolocate
sciencehabit writes: Blind from infancy, Daniel Kish learned as a young boy to judge his height while climbing trees by making rapid clicking noises and listening for their echoes off the ground. No one taught him the technique, which is now recognized as a human form of echolocation. Like Kish, a handful of blind echolocators worldwide have taught themselves to use clicks and echoes to navigate their surroundings with impressive ease — Kish can even ride his bike down the street. A study of sighted people newly trained to echolocate now suggests that the secret to Kish's skill isn't just supersensitive ears. Instead, the entire body, neck, and head are key to 'seeing' with sound — an insight that could assist blind people learning the skill.
...one ping only...
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I read that as "eat chocolate" even after readreading it twice. I still would've been interested, though, since it's toxic to some mammals.
...but it's being eaten...by some...Linux or something...
You guys can cack as many jokes as you want but being able to navigate in pitch darkness using echolocation is a pretty awesome skill to have.
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for basic use. I have done it myself when in the dark. Slowly, and carefully of course, but usable. I have no doubt that training can turn it into an impressive tool.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
and no one has mentioned Daredevil?
Either turn in your geek cred cards, or admit that the Ben Affleck movie was so terrible that you've erased any mention of Daredevil from your minds....
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
Anyone can do this. You're probably even aware of it if you're married.
You arrive home after work, walk in through the garage and immediately know somethings different but you don't know what it is. You round the corner and your wife has bought a new rug... or cabinet... or something. Do you have ESP? No... the room "sounds" different. How do you know when someones creeping up behind you? Same thing...
I used to deer hunt with my father, and his tree stand was insanely high at over 70ft (he liked to think of himself as a sniper) and you could definitely hear the difference when you were the high in the trees than if you were in my stand which was at a much less terrifying 20ft off the ground.
Could this be an element that led to Khoisan languages? Maybe, for some reason, they were wandering around in dark more than other groups.
When we walk through traffic and hear cars coming up on us, or know people's position in a room from the direction and magnitude of their voice. It's no surprise that someone lacking an important sense like sight will have much better developed echolocation ability.
I was thinking Toph, from Avatar: The Last Airbender.
Toph is awesome.
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That it can be done is old news - sounds like this is beginning to understand HOW it can be done. Like that guy who could levitate without understanding the science behind it, who let scientists study him in action so they could unlock the secrets of antigravity and eventually produce the cheap, efficient flying cars we all drive today.
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How do you get more than total silence?
Daredevil has been doing it for even longer.
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
He turns it up to 11
I've noticed a similar effect, though I haven't really thought much about *what* qualitative change I'm hearing. Makes sense though - water changes density with temperature, so it's acoustic properties should also change.
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With Dark Silence, bitches!! :-P
Silence which is so quiet it can't even be detected, only theorized!
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
TFA says (assumes?) that these people's brains measure the tiny difference in how long it takes for the echo to come back. Perhaps, but for every doubling of distance, the strength (spl) of the echo drops by about 90%. That seems like a much, much easier thing for humans to detect. I know the change in reflected volume is obvious when I'm driving next to a concrete wall versus an open lane.
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Yes, my subject line says "loud", then I gave a measurement in sound pressure level (SPL). I know they aren't exactly the same thing, but the subject line has limited characters and I wanted to get the idea across in a way that is easily understood.
How do I figure the 90% reduction? It's supposed to be 6db, or about 75% reduction right? For a point sound source in free air, yes. This can be analyzed as two sources in free air - source to target, then target to source. The SPL hitting the wall is reduced by 75%, which directly reduces the amount of echo at the wall by 75%. That echo then travels twice as far going back, for another 75% reduction. Additionally, there is the frequency-dependent damping effect, which also varies by humidity. "High frequency" clicks will have significant damping as well, which is also relative to distance.
Not only you're not alone, this is a rather common physics experiment (or should be), but it doesn't have much to do with density - it doesn't change fast enough with temperature. But there is something about water that changes rapidly as you go from cold to hot water: viscosity.
Water's viscosity decreases rather dramatically with temperature - about 25% per 10deg C or so. The Reynolds number, a key descriptor of the fluid flow in a given situation, is inversely proportional to viscosity, with factor 1. Thus, in the flow of water in the tap, as you go from "cold" (around 10C) to "hot" (around 60C), the Reynolds number increases by a factor of ~3.5. In the turbulent flow, such a change is easy to hear.
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Instead, the entire body, neck, and head are key to 'seeing' with sound
The way this is written up, it makes it sound like the body/head are part of the sensors.
When you read the article, you find the significance is that in one scenario, the blindfolded participants "couldnâ(TM)t move their heads or torsos" and were unable to navigate a virtual corridor. So it's not that the body/head are part of the listening, it's that the person wasn't able to move their ears to listen from different locations. By the same logic, your body/head are key to "seeing" with your eyes ... which is stretching it.
Parallels can undoubtedly be drawn with SAR. Amazing how this capability is built into the human brain (and other animals).
There is a reason we have two ears -- to be able to distinguish the direction the sound is coming from!
But it is not actively clicking and listening to the echo (though probably it would work much worse for a blind person who is also deaf on one ear!)...
Paul B.
This topic was covered about a decade ago in the truly excellent Up From Dragons: The Evolution of Human Intelligence. One of the authors is Dorion Sagan, son of Carl Sagan, who wrote the also-excellent Dragons of Eden. A bit outdated, perhaps, but the concepts and ideas stand. I cannot recommend them enough.
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Ah, that would make a lot more sense, and thus is my personal world-myth is yet again updated with a more plausible explanation in the face of contradictory evidence. Ain't science wonderful?
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If you'e seen videos of him doing the supposed "riding bike down the street," he only gets a handful of meters, slowly, and it is a very painstaking bike ride. They even edit his video to show the more successful parts. I looked into this after seeing his TED talk -- while echolocation seemed pretty neat, it definitely seems like his foundation is exaggerating its efficacy. It definitely does something, his bike riding is awkward at best but I think it's talked up in an effort to encourage others to learn it as well.
The noted perceptual psychologist and founder of ecological psychology already stated this in his The Ecological Approach to Visual Perception. He states that visual perception doesn't involve just the brain and the eyes, it is dependent upon the head, neck, and the entire body. Although he was referring to visual perception specifically, he regarded all modalities as being dependent upon the body and it's parts in relation to one another and in relation to the environmental layout. His theories have largely gone unnoticed. I consider this to be another confirmation of his ecological psychology. A shame his work will probably continue to go unnoticed (although concepts he proposed, such as affordances, have been slowly creeping into the psychology literature).
I always thought this was the pipe, the faucet head and aerator and sink changing temp. Not the water itself.
You can hear the difference between a mug of hot water and a mug of cold water if you tap the outside of the mug with a spoon as well. That doesn't have any turbulent flow to it...
Since the operation is performed with fixed ears and the angle of the ears must be changed to catch the various reflections...
Seems to me that there are two obvious technological solutions.
First, one could create a 360 degree sensor on the horizontal plane (Collinear with the ground), that listened for returns, and shifts/recasts them in frequency based on the return angle, then sends the mixed tones on to the ear. So tone is angle(s), and delay is radius. One obvious initial benefit is that echoes can be sensed from any angle, including the reverse, without waving one's ears/head around. Second, by adding frequency to delay, a 2nd easily perceptible dimension replaces that motion of the head. Another is that a single click emission can serve to "Illuminate" surroundings at many angles in the plane, because all return angles are covered simultaneously by the sensor.
Second, the device could be the emitter of the pings, could do so supersonically, and then translate down on echo. This would serve four purposes:
First, to move the clicking out of the normal audio range, so as to not distract others.
Second, to free up the mouth for speech
Third, to gain resolution -- higher frequencies consist of shorter wavelengths, and so they bounce more fully off smaller objects.
Fourth, it provides the same potential you get with sonar and radar: the ability to narrow the ping emissions to a zone of particular interest, with the added bonus of upping the radial resolution as the same tonal range could then be utilized to resolve detail across the smaller zone.
I'm pretty sure there are more implications lurking, but I haven't had my coffee yet. :)
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I do something like this when I'm in the bathroom at work.
I can literally turn on a faucet here without touching the temperature of the water and the instant the water starts coming out warm I can hear the sound difference.
It's like the sound gets more "noisy" and less "linear" when it's hot water coming out. I can even tell as it's warming up since the pitch changes as well then holds steady at full-hot.
Anyone else do this? I'm starting to wonder if I'm alone here.
It's more likely a change in the physical dimensions of the pipe with temperature, rather than anything to do with the density of water. The pipe expands and its resonant frequency decreases.
I think your sig needs hospitalization. Probably in intensive cares... ;-) ;-)
I wonder if some sort of artificial pulse generator would be an improvement, rather than producing the clicks yourself.
You'd be guaranteed repeatability and might be able to shape the pulses in order to get a better result. Would differently formed clicks work better at different ranges or with different surfaces?
Sure, but with changing viscosity the sound propagation in the liquid changes - especially that the quality of the resonance in the liquid scales with viscosity (viscous damping!). The speed of sound in the liquid changes too, but the change in the 0-60C range is about a factor of magnitude smaller than the change in viscosity.
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You mean everyone hasn't learned how to do that to some extent?
I do it a bit.
I get a sensation of presence of something nearby when there IS something close and I am making sounds I know I'm making (mouth clicks, footsteps, etc.) in an otherwise reasonably quiet environment, or when well-locatable sounds with bursty high-frequency components are present in the environment to provide a sonic "light source" of suitable form and predictability.
It's usually enough to keep from bumping into things. (Even soft, sound-absorbing things like plush furniture, are "visible" as a "quiet lump" - especially if there are hard things around to create acoustic contrast.)
It's not usually consciously apparent that sound is involved, rather than some "extra sense", unless there are really loud echos, like one's footsteps while walking in a concrete or tiled tunnel. (Haven't you had a sense of ambiance in such situations?)
The sensations are so well tuned as an input for moving, dodging, grabbing, and the like, that I've been assuming it's an evolved mechanism (that might have needed exercise in youth to develop properly), like vision, rather than something purely learned.
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It took nearly a minute before I realised that this article is not in fact about electronically transmitting aspects of a certain popular confectionery.
echolocate != echocolate
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ROFLMAO... I was reading e-chocolate X-D and I thought they figured out how to make you cum chocolate
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