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Google Launches Service To Replace Web Ads With Subscriptions
An anonymous reader writes: Everyone understands by now that ads fund most of the sites on the web. Other sites have put up paywalls or started subscription bonuses, with varying success. Google, one of the web's biggest ad providers, saw a problem with that: it's a huge pain for readers to manage subscriptions for all the sites they visit — often more trouble than it's worth. And, since so few people sign up, the subscription fees have to be pretty high. Now, Google has launched a service called Contributor to try to fix this situation.
The way Contributor works is this: websites and readers can opt in to the service (and sites like Imgur, The Onion, and ScienceDaily already have). Readers then pay a fee of $1-3 per month (they get to choose how much) to gain ad-free access to all participating sites. When the user visits one of the sites, instead of showing a Google ad, Google will just send a small chunk of that subscription money to the website instead.
The way Contributor works is this: websites and readers can opt in to the service (and sites like Imgur, The Onion, and ScienceDaily already have). Readers then pay a fee of $1-3 per month (they get to choose how much) to gain ad-free access to all participating sites. When the user visits one of the sites, instead of showing a Google ad, Google will just send a small chunk of that subscription money to the website instead.
Haven't seen ads since I installed adblock plus and no script. Cost me nothing.
Signing up for this basically asap.
But if the price is the same no matter how many different sites you consume, or how much of their bandwidth you chew up, well...I'm not sure how I think about that, from an "I want my favorite websites to actually get money" point of view.
Sounds like this is not really 'pay for less ads' so much as 'ads not paying enough, ramp up the annoyingness and push people in the right direction'.
And obviously being another Google-takes-over-teh-interwebs ploy.
Will this work with google analytics disabled/blocked. If not, no thank you.
$1 a month is a lot of money
Dice would probably sell you slashdot for $1
That's all.
So The Onion's online edition is essentially worth some small fraction of what a reader is willing to pay for their $1 to visit 50 websites per day. I guess that amounts to about $0.05 per subscriber or considering 10 pageviews per visitor that's $5 CPM. No matter how bad ads are, they pay out closer to $20 RPM for USA visitors and most of these companies claim they are barely breaking even right now. How would getting less revenue help more?
When the foot seeks the place of the head, the line is crossed. Know your place. Keep your place. Be a shoe.
Will Google continue to track and maintain a profile of my internet usage? If so, I'm not interested.
This could turn into a real micropayment system.
About 7 years ago I (incorrectly) predicted that ISPs could bootstrap micropayment systems by allowing users to put money into an account with their ISP. When the user visits a site with ads, the site could "bill" the customer via the ISP anonymously, transparently to the user, and cheaply. The payment system would essentially live in the ISP's HTTP proxy server.
The Google model sounds like a variation of that, with Google collecting the money and distributing the micropayments to the web site via the ad network.
A similar ad-free subscription-oriented option will be available for YouTube soon. I am surprised to see this announcement without it connecting to that one.
what-everyone-says-they-want-but-nobody-actually-wants dept. ??
No. Fuck their extortion. Adblock EDGE (the non-corporate-sellout fork of Adblock Plus) is more than enough thanks. If/when that stops working I'll use hosts (laziness makes the plug-in easier).
Fuck ads always and forever. This bullshit is worse than facecrook, "Hey, I have this great idea that will get people to PAY for us to track them!"
Don't be evil; indeed.
By the way if anyone here is in advertising or marketing ⦠kill yourself.
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Kill yourself.
Seriously though, if you are, do.
Aaah, no really, thereâ(TM)s no rationalization for what you do and you are Satanâ(TM)s little helpers.
Okay - kill yourself - seriously.
You are the ruiner of all things good, seriously.
No this is not a joke, youâ(TM)re going, âoethereâ(TM)s going to be a joke coming,â thereâ(TM)s no fucking joke coming.
You are Satanâ(TM)s spawn filling the world with bile and garbage.
You are fucked and you are fucking us.
Kill yourself.
Itâ(TM)s the only way to save your fucking soul, kill yourself.
Planting seeds.
- Bill Hicks on marketing
Wouldn't it be simpler to wait until the end of the month and then split the $1-3 across websites proportionally with visits? Determining the amount of each "small chunk" on-the-fly in a fair way such that the entire budget is spent at the end of the month looks hard.
Or you can just use Adblock like any sane person and just not deal with it, funding be damned.
Honestly I'm the type of person you do NOT want to advertise to. The more annoying the advertising the more likely I am to make it a point to avoid that product / service as much as possible.
And then just use adblock?
Why would we go through a middleman?
Dear Google,
Why didn't you just buy Flattr instead? https://flattr.com/
(And pay off Brokep's debt while at it)
it's in my head
Now there's a financial incentive to let Google track your browsing habits. Don't let them fool you into thinking this is in your benefit.
My first question is what needs to be allowed in order for this to work? Do I have to whitelist sites in adblock? NoScript? Do I have to abandon those addons?
What about any of the anti-tracking stuff I use?
And, lastly, the main reason I use all of that is because I got very tired of clicking on a site and WAITING FOR ALL THE SHIT TO LOAD AND RELOAD AND RERELOAD.
I might use this. I might not. But there isn't enough information available right now to tell whether it will be better or worse for me than what I'm doing today.
For this to make sense to me, there will have to be a noticeable difference in the websites I visit. I find it hard to believe that I'll go to my favourite site and the layout will be vastly improved because all the ads will be gone.
What I'd expect is that the boxes where the ads were will be empty, but the layout of the website (tailored originally around those boxes) will be identical. I can already mentally ignore the boxes, so what does this get me?
Answer: Nothing.
Because when you do this, you are giving google information on all the websites you visit.
Want to advertise to people that visit the Onion? Well, google can do that now - as soon as you leave the Onion, your next ad will be for Cracked.com or some other funny website in competition with The Onion.
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I would love one. I would actually pay as much as $100/month for a fully ad-free web experience (and I realize that most adds are not Google ads.) But $3/month is a no-brainer. Hope this includes YouTube.
Here comes Google to totally take over their market, and then bail on it in a year or two when it gets boring.
Perhaps this is because Google sees Patreon as the future, and wants to scuttle it now, so ads rule the roost?
The ads are replaced with a small message thanking them for being a contributor. The space where the advert would have been is filled with a pixelated pattern, instead of being removed entirely
Maybe we'll get to see pop-ups with pixelated messages of thanks!
Ads fund most sites on the Web? [citation needed.]
Ads fund most *commercial* sites on the Web, I'd accept.
But since when did commercial sites make up most of the web? Just don't go there. Like Slashdot.... oh, wait.
captcha: manure
The real genius here is that after people accept this business model, Google can charge a premium to advertisers to "break through" to the user... I'm sure it's in the fine print already... you can pay to ignore "standard" tier advertisements, but it says nothing of Premium tier.
Which has more power: the hammer, or the anvil?
You get content that costs someone resources to create and give them nothing not even the ad revenue.
I use a click-to-play plug-in, not an ad blocker per se. This is because I'm willing to give them ad revenue, so long as the ads are static (text or PNG/JPEG), as opposed to ads that are animated in a CPU-hogging and data-quota-consuming manner (Flash, video, or Flash video). Yet a lot of sites don't get the hint, and they continue to serve what I see as a white box with a Flash Player logo inside instead of noticing that the Flash ad isn't playing and replacing it with a static ad. Am I still a freeloader?
How clever is Google... being paid to display ads and also being paid not to display ads.
It's a win-win.
Do no eViL -- yeah, right! ;-)
the first one is free, the next ones you pay for... So Google creates a shit load of addicts that will want to pay them to remove the ads that they posted in the first place. Whats that remind me off, drug dealers and protection rackets.
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
And for users who pays $10 per GB for Internet access, video ads on pages other than video description pages cost the user money.
If paying a small subscription would eliminate Google's tracking nonsense then sign me up, but from the link it seems that all it does is replace the adds with a "thank you" message. I can get that for free with add block and no script that also reduce the clutter on the page, vastly improve load times, and improve security.
"There are lies, there are damn lies, and there are statistics"
Remember how cable TV was supposed to be ad (commercial) free, because the subscription fee was supposed to be the primary source of revenue? How long did that last?
"Could be worse...could be raining." Igor
Hi apk, how would you manage auto updating a black list?
Built by "yours truly" for the purposes listed in the post you replied to http://start64.com/index.php?o... (and it does a HECK of a LOT more than just blockout ads... & it's not paid off to NOT block ads like AdBlock is by default, PLUS, things like ClarityRay can't stop hosts, but it sure does AdBlock (which is also horribly inefficient in CPU + RAM usage as well vs. hosts, operating in a SLOWER cpu serviced layer, usermode, vs. hosts operating in kernelmode, AND, hosts operate LONG BEFORE browsers do, thus addons as well, making them redundant as well - AND addons bear tons more messagepassing weight, slowing browsers up...).
* It updates from 12 reputable sources in the security community, as to your question specifically - & you can "pick and choose" which of them you use each time you update...
APK
P.S.=> Enjoy & hope that answers your question... apk
I don't use a ad block and have no problem with ad based revenue for supporting sites. People who use ad blocking extensions are just egging on web sites to move to a subscriber service. Now maybe those ad blocker lovers can simply move on to another site. But I would prefer the web stay basically free. If I have to be presented with some ads on a web site so be it. Pop ups were a obvious annoyance and frankly were not effective in the least. I suppose the same people who install a ad blocker never give a dime to support the web. I certainly have some annoyances about ads, especially if your on one web site viewing a few news videos and have to muddle through 5 times the same ad for something. Be nice if their was a per visit limit for viewing the same ad. Its why I gave up on Hulu Plus. I did not mind paying for the service, I actually would have paid more per month if I had a option to skip every ad and be 100% ad free! But alas it was not meant to be. Its funny about Ad Blockers because the lack of user support in funding has forced any of these Ad Blockers to allow certain ads because the advertiser makes a nice contribution to the cause. Yea, you ad blocker lovers you just keep doing what your doing.
I'm sure I'm not the only one that blocks all ads anyway. When a site complains that I'm running an adblocker, I do disable it (for that site temporarily) and then the site is happy and loads for me... minus the ads, because I also block them in my hosts file.
After I got a DVR (several years ago) I never again saw another ad on TV. If a show was on live, I found it much nicer to just pause the show as soon as the ads came on, go an grab something from the kitchen, then proceed to the skip the ads. I would catch up with live TV about the same time the show ended, thanks to my skipping all the ads.
On the radio, I just change the station if ads are on. I literally do not ever see ads. I do not really care how radio stations, TV stations or crappy blogs get funded, but you're just not going to get me to see, watch, or listen to ads. That genie is out of the bottle and I really don't give enough of a shit about any of those forms of media to view ads in order to access them.
I am probably not alone, but will admit that I'm not typical.
I have a subscription to the NY Times.
I still get loads of ads on my tablet with no adblock.
Adblock is your friend.
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
...I want a google-free one.
I'm going to add that to my website! I'm pretty sure I'll be able to make a profit of 25 cents before the end of 2015!
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is still spyware. This is a ploy to get people to identify themselves (through a credit/debit card) and maintain cookies throughout their browsing experience, so that Google can track their usage.
Hosts alone does not a security policy make. Putting an ad blocker or plugin click-to-play on top of hosts helps especially when the ad server runs on the same hostname as the main server or when the ad servers have a large variety of subdomain names.
Because this is the opposite of keeping the web open.
Back in the day, the web was fine. I went to sites, and they put ads on them. I ignored most, if not all ads, because that's how I and most people I know operate, sites still made money. Life was ok.
Then ads blinked, popped up, popped under, opened other apps, broke content, injected malicious code, attempted to trick people into clicking fake buttons, lied about their content, used human psychological triggers to force subject-matter interest (click-bait), destroyed my battery life with flash, and played audio and video.
When the ad industry goes back to using non-flashing text-based ads, I'll turn off AdBlock. As it is, allowing ads to display in my browser represents a clear and continuous security vulnerability and performance bottleneck.
I'd love to be able to assist with this project. However, my issue is not advertising, but tracking. By using this method, one must, by definition, allow Google to see how many times you visit which sites, and how much time you spend on each.
Presently, I use FoolDNS and Ghostery, and intentionally allow ads through - I want websites to be able to get additional ad traffic. I'm perfectly okay with ads. Personally, I've got two rules: 1.) Don't track me, and 2.) Don't infect my computer with malware. I personally think that these are very reasonable requests to make.
Aunt Google will never make a system that doesn't involve tracking me. If the EFF or ACLU wants to make a system like this, I'll sign up tomorrow, NO problem. Google? I'll stick to giving them as little information as I can.
I use AdBlock Pro as a browser extension.
However, I'm excited about the prospect of installing it on a router, and that's what I'm gonna do on my new Asus RT-AC87.
I currently run OpenWRT on a D-link DIR-825, and guessing I could install it there. But I want 802.11ac and a router that can handle a VPN connection at something closer to my cable modem throughput (currently, 120mbps down/20mbps up). The DIR-825's CPU is out of gas.
OpenWRT for the AC87 will likely never happen, or be hobbled by open-source drivers if it does, but ASUS has open-sourced their own ASUS-WRT and distributes binary drivers with it. So, I will use ASUS-WRT-merlin and there's an AdBlock service you can install from the package installer. It'll block ads from going to your portable devices, iPhone, iPad, Android, etc. which do not have any plugin capability in their browsers.
You need to set fix DHCP reservations for your devices, and add the addresses to the AdBlock preferences on the router.
lol @ people saying they would pay for this
They also recommend, AND HOST, my program here http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...
* :)
(Don't think it's gets TOO MUCH MORE REPUTABLE than they are... see my p.s. below on that note!)
However, so you know: The links @ start64.com are only pointers to the ones over @ hpHosts/MalwareBytes & where THEY host the files...
So yes: You're FINE, either way...
APK
P.S.=> They're, as of this VERY RECENT test, the BEST in the business for antivirus results -> http://www.av-test.org/en/news...
... apk
W. Palant wrote me by email 1st saying "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:
"Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"
Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency AdBlock's proven by research to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & adblock does FAR less than hosts (especially crippled by default).
I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!
Result = Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later - that tell you anything? It did me!
He knows his addon is less efficient & features laden by FAR vs. hosts - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit!
ClarityRay's also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (it can't DO THAT to hosts files).
I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock - Funny part is, Wladimir Palant running does too!
Especially considering "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" has 'souled-out' -> Google And Others Reportedly Pay Adblock Plus To Show You Ads Anyway: http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
APK
P.S.=> Bottom-Line: Hosts = a superior solution that also fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also)... apk
My FREE hosts program adds speed, security, reliability & more, doing more, more efficiently vs. addons + fixes DNS' redirect security issues:
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:
http://start64.com/index.php?o...
---
A.) Hosts do more than:
1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... )
2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...
3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome site redirects e.g. /. beta).
C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less "moving parts" complexity
D.) Hosts files yield more:
1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs DGA, & Fastflux + dynDNS botnets)
4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).
---
* Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).
* Addons = more complex + slow browsers in messagepassing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray's destroying Adblock.
* Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption + excessive cpu use too (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)
Instead, work w/ a more capable native kernelmode part you already have - hosts (An integrated part of the ip stack)
APK
P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"
...apk
Can adblock do 15 things hosts files can for more speed, security, reliability, & more:
1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers (beyond malicious adbanners - see 2 thru 6 below next)
2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
9.) Keep you off dns request logs
10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
13.) Block out trackers
14.) Block spam mails sources
15.) Block phishing mails sources
"?"
* Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.
APK
P.S.=> The ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above as far as "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) is concerned -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/...
So, *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?
That's illogical: I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink!
... apk
W. Palant wrote me by email 1st saying "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:
"Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"
Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency AdBlock's proven by research to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & adblock does FAR less than hosts (especially crippled by default).
I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!
Result = Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later - that tell you anything? It did me!
He knows his addon is less efficient & features laden by FAR vs. hosts - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit!
ClarityRay's also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (it can't DO THAT to hosts files).
I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock - Funny part is, Wladimir Palant running does too!
Especially considering "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" has 'souled-out' -> Google And Others Reportedly Pay Adblock Plus To Show You Ads Anyway: http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
APK
P.S.=> Bottom-Line: Hosts = a superior solution that also fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also)... apk
My FREE hosts program adds speed, security, reliability & more, doing more, more efficiently vs. addons + fixes DNS' redirect security issues:
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:
http://start64.com/index.php?o...
---
A.) Hosts do more than:
1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... )
2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...
3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome site redirects e.g. /. beta).
C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less "moving parts" complexity
D.) Hosts files yield more:
1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs DGA, & Fastflux + dynDNS botnets)
4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).
---
* Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).
* Addons = more complex + slow browsers in messagepassing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray's destroying Adblock.
* Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption + excessive cpu use too (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)
Instead, work w/ a more capable native kernelmode part you already have - hosts (An integrated part of the ip stack)
APK
P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"
...apk
Can adblock do 15 things hosts files can for more speed, security, reliability, & more:
1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers (beyond malicious adbanners - see 2 thru 6 below next)
2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
9.) Keep you off dns request logs
10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
13.) Block out trackers
14.) Block spam mails sources
15.) Block phishing mails sources
"?"
* Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.
APK
P.S.=> The ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above as far as "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) is concerned -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/...
So, *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?
That's illogical: I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink!
... apk
W. Palant wrote me by email 1st saying "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:
"Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"
Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency AdBlock's proven by research to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & adblock does FAR less than hosts (especially crippled by default).
I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!
Result = Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later - that tell you anything? It did me!
He knows his addon is less efficient & features laden by FAR vs. hosts - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit!
ClarityRay's also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (it can't DO THAT to hosts files).
I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock - Funny part is, Wladimir Palant running does too!
Especially considering "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" has 'souled-out' -> Google And Others Reportedly Pay Adblock Plus To Show You Ads Anyway: http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
APK
P.S.=> Bottom-Line: Hosts = a superior solution that also fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also)... apk
It's kinda interesting; your posts read a lot like the text on a bottle of Dr. Bronners.
"Life is not magic." Dr. Ron Weiss - "If we don't play God, who will?" Dr. James Watson
There is a saying "when someone shows you who they are believed that the first time." This holds true for companies and other fictitious entities also. Google showed us what a lying, theiving sack of shit it was A long time ago. Some of us are have caught on already, and more are waking up every day. In my opinion, its business model is ultimately self terminating.
The biggest problem with this particular "service" is that Google is behind it. The idea that I'm going to give Google any information about me willingly, it's bad enough. The idea that I'm going to let them make a profit on that snooping and stealing and misleading? Well, that's enough, all by itself, to make me shun a purchase or service. I just read an article that the EU is looking into breaking up Google. That would be a happy day for humanity.
Anyway, I would likely agree with such a service, if provided by a company which had NO aspirations on profiteering from my private information and was willing to give me a written guarantee. I won't even consider such a "service" if Google or any other tracking-related company is involved in any way whatsoever.
My FREE hosts program adds speed, security, reliability & more, doing more, more efficiently vs. addons + fixes DNS' redirect security issues:
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:
http://start64.com/index.php?o...
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A.) Hosts do more than:
1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... )
2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...
3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome site redirects e.g. /. beta).
C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less "moving parts" complexity
D.) Hosts files yield more:
1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs DGA, & Fastflux + dynDNS botnets)
4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).
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* Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).
* Addons = more complex + slow browsers in messagepassing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray's destroying Adblock.
* Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption + excessive cpu use too (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)
Instead, work w/ a more capable native kernelmode part you already have - hosts (An integrated part of the ip stack)
APK
P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"
...apk
Can adblock do 15 things hosts files can for more speed, security, reliability, & more:
1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers (beyond malicious adbanners - see 2 thru 6 below next)
2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
9.) Keep you off dns request logs
10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
13.) Block out trackers
14.) Block spam mails sources
15.) Block phishing mails sources
"?"
* Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.
APK
P.S.=> The ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above as far as "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) is concerned -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/...
So, *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?
That's illogical: I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink!
... apk
W. Palant wrote me by email 1st saying "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:
"Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"
Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency AdBlock's proven by research to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & adblock does FAR less than hosts (especially crippled by default).
I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!
Result = Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later - that tell you anything? It did me!
He knows his addon is less efficient & features laden by FAR vs. hosts - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit!
ClarityRay's also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (it can't DO THAT to hosts files).
I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock - Funny part is, Wladimir Palant running does too!
Especially considering "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" has 'souled-out' -> Google And Others Reportedly Pay Adblock Plus To Show You Ads Anyway: http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
APK
P.S.=> Bottom-Line: Hosts = a superior solution that also fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also)... apk
My FREE hosts program adds speed, security, reliability & more, doing more, more efficiently vs. addons + fixes DNS' redirect security issues:
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:
http://start64.com/index.php?o...
---
A.) Hosts do more than:
1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... )
2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...
3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome site redirects e.g. /. beta).
C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less "moving parts" complexity
D.) Hosts files yield more:
1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs DGA, & Fastflux + dynDNS botnets)
4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).
---
* Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).
* Addons = more complex + slow browsers in messagepassing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray's destroying Adblock.
* Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption + excessive cpu use too (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)
Instead, work w/ a more capable native kernelmode part you already have - hosts (An integrated part of the ip stack)
APK
P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"
...apk
Can adblock do 15 things hosts files can for more speed, security, reliability, & more:
1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers (beyond malicious adbanners - see 2 thru 6 below next)
2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
9.) Keep you off dns request logs
10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
13.) Block out trackers
14.) Block spam mails sources
15.) Block phishing mails sources
"?"
* Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.
APK
P.S.=> The ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above as far as "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) is concerned -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/...
So, *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?
That's illogical: I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink!
... apk
W. Palant wrote me by email 1st saying "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:
"Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"
Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency AdBlock's proven by research to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & adblock does FAR less than hosts (especially crippled by default).
I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!
Result = Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later - that tell you anything? It did me!
He knows his addon is less efficient & features laden by FAR vs. hosts - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit!
ClarityRay's also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (it can't DO THAT to hosts files).
I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock - Funny part is, Wladimir Palant running does too!
Especially considering "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" has 'souled-out' -> Google And Others Reportedly Pay Adblock Plus To Show You Ads Anyway: http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
APK
P.S.=> Bottom-Line: Hosts = a superior solution that also fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also)... apk
R O T F L M A O !
Ads that pay aren't served from the same server as the site typically since admen don't trust webmasters on clickview counts reporting.
Subdomains blocking's just as easy with hosts as it is for domains too.
Thus, I don't see your point as being very realistic...
Hosts are a ALSO valuable added layer of security!
( So much so, that even Aryeh Goretsky ESET/MOD32 agreed with me on that much via email recently in fact! )
Hosts also add more SPEED!
Yes - More than adblock in JUST blocking ads - which it doesn't do as well by default since it's crippled as it is from selling out to Google etc. - additionally, ALSO via hardcodes of favorite sites of yours, which also add to the NEXT point -> Hosts Add RELIABILITY (vs. DNS issues in redirect security poisoning)
APK
P.S.=> Yes folks - Hosts do it all (& more than AdBlock by miles) FAR MORE EFFICIENTLY, on many levels - which my earlier other posts substantiate from reputable analysis done in links those posts point to...
(Hosts do more, & for less CPU & RAM used & operating @ a FASTER level of CPU priority privelege in kernelmode, being queried by the IP stack itself as a filter, making addons redundant. Hosts do it better & more efficiently vs. slowing down already SLOWER usermode browsers layering in more messagepassing overheads onto them also)... apk
A couple weeks ago, while browsing around the library downtown, I had to take a piss. As I entered the john, Bennett Haselton -- the messiah himself -- came out of one of the booths. I stood at the urinal looking at him out of the corner of my eye as he washed his hands. He didn't once look at me. He was busy and in any case I was sure he wouldn't even acknowledge a mere mortal like me.
As soon as he left I darted into the booth he'd vacated, hoping there might be a lingering smell of shit and even a seat still warm from his sturdy ass. I found not only the smell but the shit itself. He'd forgotten to flush. And what a treasure he had left behind. Three or four beautiful specimens floated in the bowl. It apparently had been a fairly dry, constipated shit, for all were fat, stiff, and ruggedly textured. The real prize was a great feast of turd -- a nine inch gastrointestinal triumph as thick as his cock -- or at least as I imagined it!
I knelt before the bowl, inhaling the rich brown fragrance and wondered if I should obey the impulse building up inside me. I've been on the internet a long time, but Bennett Haselton is the first real Voice of the Internet, bringing new for nerds and stuff that matters back to Slashdot! Of course I'd had fantasies of meeting him, sucking his cock and balls, not to mention sucking his asshole clean, but I never imagined I would have the chance. Now, here I was, confronted with the most beautiful five-pound turd I'd ever feasted my eyes on, a sausage fit to star in any fantasy and one I knew to have been hatched from the asshole of Bennett Haselton, the chosen one.
Why not? I plucked it from the bowl, holding it with both hands to keep it from breaking. I lifted it to my nose. It smelled like rich, ripe limburger (horrid, but thrilling), yet had the consistency of cheddar. What is cheese anyway but milk turning to shit without the benefit of a digestive tract?
I gave it a lick and found that it tasted better then it smelled.
I hesitated no longer. I shoved the fucking thing as far into my mouth as I could get it and sucked on it like a big half nigger cock, beating my meat like a madman. I wanted to completely engulf it and bit off a large chunk, flooding my mouth with the intense, bittersweet flavor. To my delight I found that while the water in the bowl had chilled the outside of the turd, it was still warm inside. As I chewed I discovered that it was filled with hard little bits of something I soon identified as peanuts. He hadn't chewed them carefully and they'd passed through his body virtually unchanged. I ate it greedily, sending lump after peanutty lump sliding scratchily down my throat. My only regret was that Bennett Haselton wasn't there to see my loyalty and wash it down with his piss.
I soon reached a terrific climax. I caught my cum in the cupped palm of my hand and drank it down. Believe me, there is no more delightful combination of flavors than the hot sweetness of cum with the rich bitterness of shit. It's even better than reading one of Bennett's articles!
Afterwards I was sorry that I hadn't made it last longer. But then I realized that I still had a lot of fun in store for me. There was still a clutch of virile turds left in the bowl. I tenderly fished them out, rolled them into my handkerchief, and stashed them in my briefcase. In the week to come I found all kinds of ways to eat the shit without bolting it right down. Once eaten it's gone forever unless you want to filch it third hand out of your own asshole. Not an unreasonable recourse in moments of desperation or simple boredom.
I stored the turds in the refrigerator when I was not using them but within a week they were all gone. The last one I held in my mouth without chewing, letting it slowly dissolve. I had liquid shit trickling down my throat for nearly four hours. I must have had six orgasms in the process.
I often think of Bennett Haselton dropping solid gold out of his sweet, pink asshole every day, never knowing what joy it could, and at least once did, bring to a grateful Slashdot reader.
I pay for netflix monthly because it's commercial free.
If I am to pay for news, it has to be commercial free. No ads, no fake story ads, just content.
Piss off until then.
_ _ _ Go for the eyes Boo! GO FOR THE EYES!
Data mining company makes it easy to connect your Web habits with your credit card information, news at eleven.
I think that's the way to do it. It's a win-win situation. Giving Google money so they can track you even better seems like a bad idea.
Hosts = FAR BETTER than AdBlock doing far more w/ less & far more efficiently http://news.slashdot.org/comme... AND it is on topic, so your comment is the PUREST BS (and you know it, plus you can't combat that list of facts that put "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" into the shitter, crippled by default + sold out to Google to NOT DO ITS JOB properly). See that subject-line above? It's proof you are wrong on that account also... since you can't manage to do anything but spout crap about how being a "registered 'luser'" somehow makes YOU 'superior' (especially when you're NOT showing us you are by proving those points in that list wrong as well as showing adblock can do more - when we all know damn well it just can't).
See subject-line above: You're mad if you think that's effective vs. this http://news.slashdot.org/comme... where you don't DARE reply to that post trying to prove apk's points wrong on how hosts files do more with less, more efficiently than Almost ALL Ads Blocked (crippled by default and sold out to Google to NOT DO ITS JOB properly and fully by default). All that makes you a mere off topic troll, nothing more.
It solves the problem of advertisements, which is kind of a solved problem using adblock, and as APK repeatedly reminds us, by hosts file.
But it accentuates the bigger problem - now Google knows exactly what you did last summer , since you have to be logged in to use your hard earned money's worth.
Bingo Dictionary - Pragmatist, n. A myopic idealist.
The value of ads may go down or go up as technology changes the arms race in advertising. Direct, Print, Interactive, Display, Television, Radio, Yellow Pages... All of these advertisements are competing with one another for the attention of brands. Some work better than others and some fall in and out of fashion as marketers find better ways to utilize the different mediums and measure the results. You aren't a freeloader for refusing to consume the advertisements any more than you are a freeloader for refusing to look at spam in the spam folder for your inbox. Are you a freeloader for ignoring billboards on the highway? Are you a freeloader when you fast forward through the commercials on your DVR? I think not. Advertisers, Marketers and builders of brands must keep up with the times and roll with the punches, or they will surely be crushed.
I am disappointed in Yahoo.com I had been a member since it was founded. In fact, I paid my $20/yr to insure no ads But last year Visa changed rules and my Visa provider was there, ahead of the crowd, with the new rules implemented. My Visa supplier does not trust the code on the reverse of the card when supplied by an online site. Ergo, VISA intercepts the request from vendor, and asks me questions for which I and I alone know the answer. If I answer correctly, confirmation is given. But yahoo.com timed out on waiting for Visa, and did not tell me that it happened. Suddenly, ads were back. I explained to yahoo.com what happened, and that I should be allowed the old rate, but it fell on deaf ears. So, Yahoo.com, You still have me, but you have soured me from recommending your site for anything, including search engine use. I think that a dollar a month is a reasonable rate to not be presented with ads, not $4/mo.
There are other ad blocking tools out there that are lower level, and thus more general purpose, than browser plugins. I have been using Admuncher for 15 years, and what I like about it is that it operates below app level, so that I get no unwanted ads or tracking cookies in any app (two diff browsers, IM apps, etc.).
What a bunch of bs from you. Apk snuffed you easily here http://news.slashdot.org/comme... and you can't prove him wrong. Nobody can. It's hilarious.
My FREE hosts program adds speed, security, reliability & more, doing more, more efficiently vs. addons + fixes DNS' redirect security issues:
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:
http://start64.com/index.php?o...
---
A.) Hosts do more than:
1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... )
2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...
3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome site redirects e.g. /. beta).
C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less "moving parts" complexity
D.) Hosts files yield more:
1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs DGA, & Fastflux + dynDNS botnets)
4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).
---
* Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).
* Addons = more complex + slow browsers in messagepassing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray's destroying Adblock.
* Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption + excessive cpu use too (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)
Instead, work w/ a more capable native kernelmode part you already have - hosts (An integrated part of the ip stack)
APK
P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"
...apk
Can adblock do 15 things hosts files can for more speed, security, reliability, & more:
1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers (beyond malicious adbanners - see 2 thru 6 below next)
2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
9.) Keep you off dns request logs
10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
13.) Block out trackers
14.) Block spam mails sources
15.) Block phishing mails sources
"?"
* Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.
APK
P.S.=> The ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above as far as "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) is concerned -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/...
So, *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?
That's illogical: I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink!
... apk
See subject: Unjustifiable minusmods of apk's posts that can't disprove him with off topic crap posts like yours as well prove apk correct all the more. You're making us realize apk's correct on everything he says. Apk backs up his statements from reputable sources and tests where those like yourself, trolls, don't. You're failing.
W. Palant wrote me by email 1st saying "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:
"Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"
Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency AdBlock's proven by research to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & adblock does FAR less than hosts (especially crippled by default).
I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!
Result = Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later - that tell you anything? It did me!
He knows his addon is less efficient & features laden by FAR vs. hosts - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit!
ClarityRay's also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (it can't DO THAT to hosts files).
I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock - Funny part is, Wladimir Palant running does too!
Especially considering "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" has 'souled-out' -> Google And Others Reportedly Pay Adblock Plus To Show You Ads Anyway: http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
APK
P.S.=> Bottom-Line: Hosts = a superior solution that also fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also)... apk
See subject-line above - THAT is as "low level as you go" minus more moving parts (as in a filtering driver like firewalls use for example): Hosts operate in Ring 0/RPL 0/kernelmode & are the 1st resolver queried by default (long before browser addons in slower less cpu serviced for cycles, in comparison to kernelmode where hosts operate as a native part of the IP stack itself, usermode).
* Unless AdMuncher operates using hosts? It's not more efficient (as in using a filtering driver of some sort - yes, that'd be ring 0/kernelmode too, but it's adding more moving parts complexity... hosts don't).
APK
P.S.=> Hosts are VERY tough to beat on many levels (impossible).... apk
AdMuncher's not free. It costs money. Apk's hosts file solution's free.
I only do them since (if you look under the parent post you replied to) trolls downmod my posts MINUS any valid justifications (ala as to where I am wrong (I'm not)) to justify doing so - so, I just repost to spite them & to show them "where it's at" as to their puny attempts @ suppressing truths & facts I post they can't prove wrong is all.
* :)
(Hairyfeet said it best imo, as to what's really going on & WHY they're doing that, here -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & imo @ least? He's dead-on right... )
APK
P.S.=>
"My grandfather taught me long ago that when someone tries to silence speech? You had damned well better start following the money, because it WILL be involved. But lately we've seen a LOT of places where if you don't jump on board? They do NOT debate, they sling insults and try to silence you. And wadda ya know? A LOT of that shit ends up being traced back to people cashing checks" - by hairyfeet (841228) on Wednesday November 19, 2014 @05:11AM (#48416149) Journal
Truer words were never spoken - & whom *might* those parties be? Well, ok:
1.) Advertisers
2.) Makers of inferior competing "so-called 'solutions'"
3.) Malware makers/Botnet Herders
4.) Webmasters (who, unfortunately, take a beating on adblocking - however, *IF* they & their advertiser colleagues would've payed more attention as to what goes on in their ads, ala them infecting us via malicious code which has happened TONS of times since 2004, infesting millions out there online no less? I'd never have released it... in fact, I held off until 2012, but not after I saw more malcode in ads than ever before so... out the door she went)... apk
admen don't trust webmasters on clickview counts reporting.
Then why do they trust Google and the other major ad networks on clickview counts reporting?
Putting an ad blocker or plugin click-to-play on top of hosts
Hosts are a ALSO valuable added layer of security!
That's what I was trying to imply. Adblock is a layer, and hosts is a layer.
I don't think the edge case of someone having flash, but having it click-to-play, is big enough yet to try to tackle.
The click-to-play add-on I use reportedly has nearly a million users. And for some plug-ins, Firefox makes click-to-play the default.
AdMuncher's not free. It costs money. Apk's hosts file solution's free.
AdMuncher used to cost a few bucks, but earlier this month the author gave notice that they are no longer charging for it. So I guess now it costs the same as apk's program.
I can only lead a horse to water, I can't make him drink.
APK
It's not as efficient though, unless it runs in ring 0/kernelmode like hosts does as a filter for the IP stack itself (minus using a filtering driver, which again, would be more "moving parts" even *IF* it were in kernelmode vs. tcpip.sys (Ip stack resolver)).
APK
P.S.=> Still, like I said before: I can lead a horse to water - I can't make him drink... apk
I opened it in WinRar. I saw no such file. Talk about desperate on your part!
You must not have followed directions. With large hosts files you turn off the dns cache service in Windows saving cpu cycles and ram it was wasting (it's broken with large hosts files and is a known issue).
CA & Thor SCHMUCK falsely accused my ware being malware & zeroed it (reduced to zero threat in the end) on my passing all 21 of their then questions for removal (This was upon the advice of an attorney John Lowe of Hiscock & Barclay in a conversation with him regarding it on the telephone that I take their test for removal).
So, I did so, & I passed the 21 questions, & the "alleged threat" was downrated, BUT, should have been removed totally: It wasn't.
APK
P.S.=> Doesn't matter: ZERO threat level's good enough & made Thor SCHMUCK "eat his words", No-Mind + NO DEGREE in the computer sciences wannabe that he is... lol!
... apk
SEC Files Securities Fraud Charges Against Computer Associates International http://www.sec.gov/news/press/... so see my subject line above. Your sources are not reputable by any means and birds of a feather flock together, Thor Schrock.
When apk passed 21 questions for removal & CA lowered the threat to zero on that app.
All details of it are here http://beta.slashdot.org/comme...
Now CA's antivirus program got sold too (must not have been too good) and is now Total Defense antivirus iirc.
Look for it there yourself if they still do listings. CA did. Not sure of this new one they sold out to.
* The fat schmuck even listed it without my full name to attempt to hide it.
APK
P.S.=> In short?Thor Schmuck's an obese no mind with no degree in computer sciences wannabe, no questions asked, & when CA lowered the threat to ZERO on that app (no threat)? The fat fool had to "eat his words" - no wonder he's so fat: He's got a BAD DIET! lol... apk
See my subject-line above: It's no 1st your kind doing that, and no 1st you failing doing it.
APK
P.S.=> That's how I know I am getting the best of you: Your stupidity "impersonating me"... lol! apk
See my subject-line above AGAIN troll: It's no 1st your kind doing that, and no 1st you failing doing it.
APK
P.S.=> That's how I know I am getting the best of you: Your stupidity "impersonating me"... lol! apk
You've been caught already in FAILING in attempting to impersonate me here http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
APK
P.S.=> Grow up imbecile: Being stupid is no way to live your life... apk