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DOOM 3DO Source Released On Github
New submitter burgerbecky writes The port that was as hellish as the game world itself, DOOM for the 3DO's source code has been released on github. The original programmer outlined the corners cut and why.
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FTA:
Firstly, this was the product of ten intense weeks of work due to the fact that I was misled about the state of the port when I was offered the project. I was told that there was a version in existance with new levels, weapons and features and it only needed "polishing" and optimization to hit the market. After numerous requests for this version, I found out that there was no such thing and that Art Data Interactive was under the false impression that all anyone needed to do to port a game from one platform to another was just to compile the code and adding weapons was as simple as dropping in the art.
I'm starting to think that as a developer the automatic assumption should be that you are being hired for a death march unless there is strong evidence to the contrary.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
Someone cared enough to post the source, with a writeup about their experience with it, someone cared enough to submit it, someone cared enough to approve it, at the very least I cared enough to read it and even browse the source a bit. At least one more of the over 7 billion people on the planet will probably care, as well.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
It's interesting just to look at the overall organization of the code, although relatively few will probably invest hours in getting to know it well.
I noticed that the source code is released under the MIT license, but the submitter/coder also points out the DOOM 3DO IP is owned by ZeniMax, who retains exclusive rights. I assume that applies to names, trademarks, and graphics only.
While this code is historically important, and its release is excellent news, I would like to see larger companies like IBM and HP release code to old versions of useful or widely used products.
I would love it if HP would release the source code to older versions of HP-UX, Tru64 UNIX, and older Digital software.
I would also love it if IBM would release the source code to older versions of AIX, DB2, Informix, the Lotus products, and so on and so forth.
This source code would be great to have available due to its historical significance, because it was the software powering some of the most critical business systems in the world.
Result before unions:
Sometimes programmers hired on death marches, feel free to leave and find better work.
Result after unions:
All programming now inherently a death march because unskilled "coders" most senior members of any team, cannot be fired and also direct architecture.
Leaving a job where the petty minded rulers feel like you slighted them means you will never work as a coder again because other union shops are told not to work with you.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I had some opportunity to work with HP-UX (built GnuMake on it for a in-company build/QA system), it was always an interesting and very different beast. Is it still around in any form?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
http://youfailit.net/?p=49
My guess is this guy will start selling this game, claiming he programmed it, and a 3DO emulator source he'll also claim as he did.
Be seeing you...
If I had 10 weeks to port Doom to the 3DO I would have cut my dick off too
Please, don't let that stop you!
At least this way you won't be as much of a dick :-)
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Yea, cause that is totally how unions work.
Reply modeled after real world examples, including Teachers Unions.
If you don't think any group with power over workers prevents "troublesome" workers from finding work, you are simply naive.
nice anti-workers rhetoric
What could be more pro-worker than protecting workers from predation? Being anti-union is inherantly being for the workers, not the overseers.
I forgot to add the third aspect of "after union" - you make 20% less pay and your union leader lives in a mansion.
are you just a temporarily embarrassed millionaire?
A) Never be ashamed at having a strong opinion.
B) Not even close to a millionaire, temporary or otherwise. I work for a living thank you very much.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
This port may not be the best, but it certainly had the best soundtrack of any other Doom version. As far as I know, it's the only port that actually remixes the original tunes into awesome redbook audio tracks. It sounds great.
Oh yeah the homebrew 3DO community will love this.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
come back out. It's interesting to compare the various ports of doom that have been released over the years.
Thanks for the hard work!
and continue to get made well in Germany with Union Labor. Also, I'm fed up with the guys putting parts on at the assembly line getting blamed for for shitty American Cars. They just tightened the bolts people. Yes, it's hard, mind numbing work; but at the end of the day it was management going to engineering to say "Make a car _this_ cheap that we can sell for _this_ much that created shitty American Cars. Engineers just do what they're told, and Management wasn't unionized.
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it's DOOM, why is this a 'bad thing'?
I've done a lot of low level stuff, and appreciate how difficult and rewarding it can be.
Takes a lot of heart to do a job that well!
I should have figured it would be going strong, it was a rough system to get used to but ran very solidly. Glad to see that's not something HP has killed.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
You care enough to bitch and moan about it.
Its always great to see code for console and computer platforms which don't otherwise have a lot of code available.
The source code for the Atari Jaguar version of Doom is out there somewhere too.
Personally I want to see more source for games (Doom or otherwise) on platforms like the NES, SNES, N64 and Genesis. Would be very interesting to see the code (assembly I would imagine) for a proper commercial SNES title...
I like the part about Art Data Interactive thinking one only needed to compile to code again. This describe a lot of Mac users today.
In case people are missing it:
In the book "Masters of Doom" about the formation and early years of Id Software, there was a character mentioned called Burger Bill, who had a penchant for nibbling on an old cheeseburger he kept in his desk draw.
I remember reading in the comments on a story here years ago that Burger Bill was now Burger Becky, who it seems is the person who did this port.
The verticle walls were drawn with strips using the cell engine
What's this have to do with unions? Do non-union industries have some mystical property that makes hiring-managers inherently non-petty?
They are of course just as petty, being the same people that would exist in both systems - but are not nearly as wired into each other as union leadership has traditionally been across companies.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
It may still be around, but HP is thoroughly screwing development on new HP-UX releases. One of their editions has been fundamentally broken since March and they haven't fixed it YET. I've been supporting HP-UX installations for 25 years (back to 7.0) and I no longer recommend it's use.
I reserve the right to use 'he' as a neuter pronoun when code is involved.
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OK, you got me. I posted before seeing the very bottom of the article, and I'm totally sexist for assuming it was a dude.
Hey at least I read it.
What party is it you belong to that is AGAINST letting people have free will and the ability to work without TWO management chains overseeing what they do?
Sign me up for THAT party - said no-one, ever.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Oddly I don't see any posts about the source itself, but I found it pretty interesting to browse through... though I was trying to find the code that triggered state change for the enemies to fight each other when one hit another, I couldn't figure out where exactly that happened...
Very cool also it includes all of the graphics and audio assets.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Well, I've been looking for like 5 minutes and already found this gem:
https://github.com/Olde-Skuul/...
You missed the point of the term "temporarily embarrassed millionaire". As in, someone who supports policies that benefit the rich over the common folk,
It's true I did not understand what that awkward phrase was trying to say.
However since unions make workers over time poorer, not richer, and exist (again over time) primarily for the benefit of union leadership, they are a prime example of supporting the rich over the common folk.
I see a disturbing trend where every single person who is for unions claims to be for the workers instead of realizing they are in fact diametrically opposed. Very odd.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Steelworker jobs disappeared as a result of automation.
And automation was cost effective because...
I'll bet you really can't figure that out, can you?
No sir, no reason whatsoever that overpaying workers leads to fewer workers over time! Just unpossible!
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
You're correct - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R...
S/he was born William Salvador Heineman
Pain is merely failure leaving the body
That's really too bad, I id imagined it would be around for a long time to come... but if they aren't getting new installations because the've messed it up over time it's going to fade even if existing installations linger for some time...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
And then there was me, the at least one person who actually read it. And you. You took at least enough interest in it to read enough of it to attempt to debunk my post. Hey, now we're back up to a minimum of four.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
Five.
If you don't care, why did you spend your valuable time to post such an informative post?
And there's the "at least one more of the over 7 billion people on the planet" I mentioned in my first post. Thank you for chiming in, jsh1972, I believe that's game, set, and match.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
the subject box.
Why would it be assembly? Granted C is not far above assembly, but there were plenty of language compilers available for the 65x816 on its various platforms.
All 5 of them?
3DO programming causes loss of testosterone, any resemblance of manliness and a compulsion to cut your dick off.
He probably went "nuts" at 3DO, Doom was the final straw
He'd never realize he dun goofed, consequences will never be same.
This is wonderful. I love it. Thank you so much for posting this. I appreciate it.
I'll toss my hat into the ring on this one. I thought it was very interesting to see what issues they had to work around, and how they did just that.
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
Yes sure the 65816 on the IIGS got things beyond assembly. But the very-resource-constrained (in both RAM and ROM) SNES never got such a thing that I am aware of.
Assembly language was used because the C compilers for 6502 (Apple II, Commodore 64, Atari 400/800, NES) and 65816 (Apple IIGS, Super NES) weren't very good at optimizing. Sure, Koei most likely wrote sims such as Nobunaga's Ambition in C, as shown by the appearance of printf format strings when you run strings on the ROM. But those are turn-based and don't need to fit an update to the entire game state into 30,000 CPU cycles. And if cc65 is to be believed, optimization of C still isn't so hot. There are things about C that don't fit the 65xx architecture well, such as a tendency toward automatic local variables.
A few commercial NES games, such as Super Mario Bros., have been disassembled and commented on RomHacking.net. And of course, homebrew games for NES often come with source code.
And if anybody doesn't understand: The goto statement is considered harmful, except when it's not. When used in situations where structured programming (while and friends) expresses the intent more cleanly, it's harmful. But when used as the backend of a coroutine macro library, it's not. And when used to jump to cleanup code in exceptional conditions, as seen here, it's not.
Technically female? I dunno, man. You need to do some research on gender before you go making comments.
Without ellipses, reading comments that start in the subject field is admittedly confusing, but with them, I don't see any problem.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
But he'd still be a complete asshole.
In April 2001, she began writing novels based on Sailor Moon, Ranma 1/2, The Terminator, Ace Ventura and Independence Day.[4]
In November 2003, she was diagnosed with gender identity disorder[5] and began transitioning to a woman.[6]
I wonder why it took them 2 extra years to diagnose it...
but unlike most other stories today, this was actually interesting. as was the burgerlib linked from that.
-lassi
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
My "argument" is that I think you are not as stupid as you appear and will you please stop playing this silly little game of "let's pretend it's a simply binary situation" and instead discuss issues on an adult level.
wow, you were totally right. i read the original posting and the writing was so masculine I could not believe someone named "becky" wrote it. I was also baffled by the Sailor Moon fan-fic -- what self-respecting grown woman would write that? then you explained that becky is actually a man (who may or may not be a eunuch now). thanks for clarifying!!
Male neurons are wired dramatically differently than females. Take for example a previous slashdot summary whose TFA indicated that females develop higher literacy skills earlier than males...an obvious sign of anatomic difference as far as the physical brain is concerned.
First, that's an interesting definition of dramatic there. Secondly, I take it that you're an expert on developmental human biology then so you know this is CERTAINLY an anatomical thing rather than an a developmental thing?
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Same.
An article about a tricky source port of a well known game to a tricky console. Perfect article for nerds which is why, after all, I'm here. And I don't really care if the person who submitted it is the person who wrote it. Doesn't make it any less interesting.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Male neurons are wired dramatically differently than females.
I think that statement needs qualifying. Some proportion are wired differently, broadly speaking, but you can't draw too many conclusions from that.
Women appear to have the same capacity for learning and writing software as men do, despite any differences. They may develop at a different rate during childhood, but the claim some people are making that they don't make good programmers or engineers is incorrect.
The word female strictly speaking identifies a biological sex, not a gender.
In modern English "female" refers to gender. Maybe in biological science it has a more specific meaning, but when most people talk about being "female" they mean gender.
Now having said that, you can go on all you'd like about gender being a cultural thing, in which case you can identify this person as a woman if you'd like, but female would not be correct in the biological sense.
Biological sex is not binary, so it is difficult to arbitrarily say that an individual is biologically one sex or another. Professional sport bodies have been trying to make a biological determination for decades, and have so far failed to come up with a conclusive definition of sex.
I appreciate that you just want to be precise, but I'm afraid not everything can fit into nicely defined terms. I see attempts to put things into district categories or come up with precise definitions derail a lot of discussions on Slashdot, particularly on gender issues.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...
News for merdes. Shit that matters.
Ask me about my sig.
There are some style issues, but statements like - "I had to rewrite all string.h in assembly in one day" are impressive. I bookmarked it as a living proof that woman can do real hacks (in positive way) and wanted to show it to everybody who claims otherwise.
Then I have read the bio... and now I'm confused.
It's in the chromosomes. It's all about the X's and Y's.
It's in the chromosomes. It's all about the X's and Y's.
Er, yes, for many/most people, but for a significant minority, it is not, which is the point (and actually even if it is all about the chromosomes, you still have the trisomy etc. conditions).
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medline...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I... (see definitions section)
he's a she!
this post strongly indicates that Cito is lame, stupid and short-dicked.
Lesbians have a sense of humor, dykes do not. Now we know which one you are.
Actually chromosomes were rejected as a way of determining gender decades ago. Some athletes were found to have "male" chromosomes but female genitalia and levels of testosterone.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Someone tell me why I care about another Doom port? There's already like 50...
everytime you post you prove your ignorance
not that simple.
theres teh basic XX and XY.
theres also XXYY, XXY, and XYY.
and not to mention that genetic expression can be stimulated or suppressed through hormones, random mutation, or a host of other factors during dvelpoment that cause various itnersex conditions, even in the typical pairs. and thats not even getting into the brain developmental aspect of it.
Those damned colonials/workers wanting some sort of say in their own affairs - the cheek of those damned fellows! They should just grovel to their betters like that chap Arnold who saw the light in the end.
Is that the character you are playing? Looks like it to me.
"burgerbecky" is Rebecca Heineman, who programmed The Bard's Tale III and Dragon Wars, two of my favorite old computer RPG's. I had no idea she worked on 3DO Doom.
Lesbians have a sense of humor, dykes do not. Now we know which one you are.
The fallacy of the false dichotomy strikes again :-)
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Gamasutra did a great interview with Burger a few years ago: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/...
Not everyone is forced to accept trans-gender people, we live in a free world where everyone can have their own opinions.
I refer to any transgender woman as a "he", because it is a man with breasts, which still thinks like a man.
For me a guy that tries to becomes a woman is nothing but trying a cop-out, usually nerds or other social failures who had no chance with women, so they decide to become one of them. Then this was masqueraded as a disorder, possibly because enough guys cried about wanting to be a woman.
Show me a example of a man that was sucessful and popular before changing gender into a woman and I'll rethink my stance.
Show me a example of a man that was sucessful and popular before changing gender into a woman and I'll rethink my stance.
Your mom?
So gender is only DNA? How about genitalia? A person with XY expressing male genitalia is the same sex as a person with XY expressing female genitalia? People with other chromosomal combinations? You have your own poorly-thought-through definitions. That's fine. Just don't impose them. You come across as ignorant.
The fallacy of the false dick-otomy strikes again :-)
Considering how the thread started, I FTFY :)
Give a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. But light a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
That's pretty funny, especially since it's healthier for an m2f to have a "dick-otomy" than to be stuck with 2 rocks and a hard place :-)
Try the fish.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
"BarbaraHudson" isn't female (let alone a dyke). BarbaraHudson = transsexual and due to that, obviously a mentalcase also. Only a nut would do that to themselves and it's indicative of someone that can't stand themselves as they are too.
Aren't you the psycho who cut his nuts + cock off trying to be a woman? You never will be a real woman, lunatic.
I worked for NTG/3DO for just under five years, so I know (knew) the machine inside and out. It will be interesting to go through this code and see what kind of tradeoffs were made.
Some comments on the README:
*snerk* I could have told you at the time that a ten-week dev cycle was crazy talk.
An interesting and valid approach (3DO's OS had full memory tracking). I'd be interested to know which of the 3DO libs was leaking memory on you.
Were the floor/ceiling textures not power-of-two dimensions on each side? As I recall, you only got texture cracking when the dimensions were not power-of-two.
You could have decomposed the floor/ceiling textures into strips as well, but ultimately the lack of perspective correction meant you were going to have to do some heavy lifting somewhere.
Ah, yes, the Norcroft compiler (or, as I always called it, Norcruft). It was a piece of shit. It was also the only thing available that would run on the Mac. It was never anything but a C compiler, but kept throwing unblockable warnings about constructs that C++ would have problems with (such as implicit cast from void*). There was no MacOS port of GCC, and there were no usable ARM backends for GCC available at the time, anyway. (Bear in mind, this was before the Web existed in any familiar form, and you had to go trawling through USENET for clues -- not even AltaVista existed yet).
I'm sure many memories will come flooding back.
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Secondly, I take it that you're an expert on developmental human biology
No, and I don't need to be.
then so you know this is CERTAINLY an anatomical thing rather than an a developmental thing?
http://www.webmd.com/balance/f...
Females and males maintain unique brain characteristics throughout life. Male brains, for instance, are about 10% larger than female brains. But bigger doesn't necessarily mean smarter.
Disparities in how certain brain substances are distributed may be more revealing. Notably, male brains contain about 6.5 times more gray matter -- sometimes called 'thinking matter" -- than women. Female brains have more than 9.5 times as much white matter, the stuff that connects various parts of the brain, than male brains. That's not all. "The frontal area of the cortex and the temporal area of the cortex are more precisely organized in women, and are bigger in volume," Geary tells WebMD. This difference in form may explain a lasting functional advantage that females seem to have over males: dominant language skills.
'Nuff said. And yes, I'll keep the word dramatic.
I think that statement needs qualifying.
For that I'll refer here:
http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
In modern English "female" refers to gender.
That is not correct and I can prove it. I don't know which dictionary you prefer, but in the US, Merriam-Webster pretty much sets the standard for English:
http://www.merriam-webster.com...
If you're British, then Oxford sets your standard:
http://www.oxforddictionaries....
Both dictionaries seem to agree that female refers to the sex that can bear young or lay eggs. The person wouldn't fully meet that definition (and in fact still carries organs that are part of the male reproductive system, such as the prostate.)
Biological sex is not binary
The definition for male may not be, but in terms of female, the definition is pretty straightforward: Must be capable of laying eggs or bearing offspring. In most non-mammalian species, there isn't XY chromosome (reptiles, birds, and fish for example have ZW instead) but there's still a common trait for females: capable of bearing offspring or laying eggs.
Now if you want to look at the extreme and one off examples where a human has XXY (or any other variation) it still boils down to being capable of bearing offspring or laying eggs. If that person can not, or if they can't produce male gametes, then they really aren't either sex.
As far as the cultural impact of everything I've said above: Culturally a person might identify as man or woman, and whichever they choose is their choice of course, however it isn't possible to change one's sex (or at least, the technology doesn't exist.)
That also being said, even if the technology comes along that allows females to produce male sperm or males to bear offspring or lay eggs, that doesn't change the anatomy of a person's brain.
because of it being a female developer, but then I found out that it wasn't technically female.
Are you proud of yourself, referring to someone as an "it?"
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Given that this person was born with a male brain
Do you have proof of that?
Take for example a previous slashdot summary whose TFA indicated that females develop higher literacy skills earlier than males.
Well, there we go - we now have proof that I was born with a female brain.
No surgery that presently exists is able to alter a male enough to make him anatomically female...at best it's just an external change in appearance
The feelings of being the other gender come from the brain, not anywhere else. Please consider this: If you were in an accident that amputated your "package", would you not continue to insist that you are still a male, because your brain tells you so? Now let's go a step further - if in the future we can do brain transplants, and you're in a horrible accident, and the only spare corpsicle is female, would putting your brain in a female body suddenly make you feel that you are now a female? Or would you be hoping for a male corpsicle to turn up soon?
It's not as simple as most people make it. If it were, it would be easier for me to explain and for you to understand.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
So you're going to go by definitions in dictionaries that were written a couple of centuries ago? Our understanding has changed in the last 50 years.
Chromosomes don't cut it - there are animals that spontaneously change sex - even to the point of bearing offspring, when environmental conditions change - without changing their chromosomes. So your dictionary is wrong.
And it's the male seahorse who has the babies.
in terms of female, the definition is pretty straightforward: Must be capable of laying eggs or bearing offspring.
So as far as your definition is concerned, a woman who is infertile is really a man. You should tell your mom that after she finishes menopause - she'll straighten you out :-)
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Maybe the original griefer is Bennett and he doesn't like competition? After all, he hasn't weighed in yet :-)
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
I'll just leave this here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Seriously, it's fucking source code. I don't care if the dev identifies as a man, woman, or plant. That doesn't make it any better or worse.
Well, the latter is only true for languages lacking specific mechanisms for exception handling, of course.
What language might that have been? C++ wasn't standardized until 1998, and the 3DO was discontinued in late 1996, having been Osborned by promises of the M2. Besides, the 3DO had about as much RAM as the original PlayStation (2 MB for CPU and 1 MB VRAM); how big is the support library for C++ exceptions?
So you're going to go by definitions in dictionaries that were written a couple of centuries ago? Our understanding has changed in the last 50 years.
That's very much incorrect. Both of these dictionaries are routinely updated. In fact Merriam-Webster has a series of videos they published recently that describe the processes they go through to determine when to add words, when to add new definitions, when to revise definitions, and when to remove (or rather, mark as archaic) old ones. They're actually pretty interesting to watch.
Chromosomes don't cut it - there are animals that spontaneously change sex - even to the point of bearing offspring, when environmental conditions change - without changing their chromosomes. So your dictionary is wrong.
I didn't make any such claim, so you can put away your straw man. If you want to have a rational debate, then don't try to spin my statements in a direction I never sent them.
So as far as your definition is concerned, a woman who is infertile is really a man. You should tell your mom that after she finishes menopause - she'll straighten you out :-)
Very very false. Menopause is merely the state of a female having depleted their supply of eggs, however all of the reproductive functions remain intact and they very much CAN bear children. Case in point:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/he...
And BTW, I'm not trying to be hostile against transgender (I've only ever been hostile towards one who came on to me knowing fully well that I'm straight. It's just an attempt at deception, plain and simple.) They can swing whatever way they want, and so long as it isn't mine, I'm fine with it.
BUT, I'm also a no BS kinda guy. A spade is a spade.
"It" in this context is just referring to the this particular case, and not to a person, hence it's gender neutral, as English permits. I don't know whether or not English is your first language, but unlike many languages there's no requirement to specify gender in English, especially in gender neutral objects.
The first "it" is different as it was used like "it is raining". The repetition of "it" was clearly deliberate, to enable a dig at a trans-gendered person.
There's no point trying to weasel out of it, we get that you don't like the idea of trans-gender.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
A trans woman hitting on you does not in any way violate your...straight pride.
P S Y C H O
So male animals that can change to females and bear offspring depending on the environment are now females according to your definition - even though their chromosomes have not changed.
And what about women who are infertile? They can't lay eggs or bear offspring. According to your "straightforward definition", they're men.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
The problem is when he hits on a woman, and she says, BTW, I used to be a guy, and he gets all phobic.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Menopause is merely the state of a female having depleted their supply of eggs
/facepalm
Just stop.
A successful API design takes a mixture of software design and pedagogy.
Do you have proof of that?
I would think so...he did have kids, after all.
Well, there we go - we now have proof that I was born with a female brain.
Partially, but not exactly. MRI scans have found that some transgender people can have a single marker (white matter content) more in common with the opposite sex. But other than that, throughout their entire lives their brain is anatomically identifiable with that of their birth gender. In your particular case, that would actually help with that one trait.
The feelings of being the other gender come from the brain, not anywhere else. Please consider this: If you were in an accident that amputated your "package", would you not continue to insist that you are still a male, because your brain tells you so? Now let's go a step further - if in the future we can do brain transplants, and you're in a horrible accident, and the only spare corpsicle is female, would putting your brain in a female body suddenly make you feel that you are now a female? Or would you be hoping for a male corpsicle to turn up soon?
After all of the medical shit I've been through (presently a candidate for kidney transplant) I've learned it's best not to consider worst case scenarios, otherwise you develop really bad anxiety, which only complicates things further.
It's not as simple as most people make it. If it were, it would be easier for me to explain and for you to understand.
I understand fully. In your mind you are what you believe you are. "I think therefore I am." But as I mentioned earlier, I'm a hard, cold, no BS, gas-tank-half-empty realist. Perhaps I should use another case so you can better understand my perspective:
Dennis Avner, who went by the name Stalking Cat, believed that he really was a cat, enough to the point where he surgically altered his body to look even more like one.
From your perspective, so long as he believed he's a cat, then he was very much a cat, and it's good because it makes him happy and feel good to be secure in that belief.
From my perspective, he was a man who modified his body to look like a cat, and wanted to believe he was one, and it may have made him happy to believe that. But at the end of the day he was still a man.
You claimed that "in terms of female, the definition is pretty straightforward: Must be capable of laying eggs or bearing offspring."
So male animals that can change to females and bear offspring depending on the environment are now females according to your definition - even though their chromosomes have not changed.
And what about women who are infertile? They can't lay eggs or bear offspring. According to your "straightforward definition", they're men.
I never said they were men if they couldn't bear offspring. Besides, infertile women usually are just missing one or two elements but can otherwise bear children.
Context.
While there are hormonal changes too, those don't necessarily inhibit reproduction, and that change alone doesn't prevent bearing children as women during or post menopause CAN get pregnant.
GP was referring to being post menopause WITHOUT the ability to bear children, in which case the depletion of eggs is the showstopper, hence my comment.
The stalking cat story reminds me of all the people who say "What if you believed that one of your legs wasn't really yours? Should it be amputated just because you have this belief?"
The answer to that is very simple - we don't have a hundreds of thousands of people who believe that one of their legs is alien to their body. We do have hundreds of thousands of transsexuals. Even the APA now admits that being transsexual is not, in itself, a mental disorder, 40 years after giving the same treatment to gays and lesbians.
There are about 2,500 m2f reassignments per year just on us citiizens. Given that there are just under 4 million births per year in the US, that gives about 2 million boys born per year. So we're already looking at ratios of 1 in 1000 or more who will eventually opt for m2f srs - and some estimates put the number as low as 1:500 due to ever-increasing access and changing levels of acceptance creating a "cascade" effect.
We're everywhere, so it's not the same as Dennis Avner. It's pretty much sure that if you haven't been living in a cave, you've met some of us and used what we consider as correct pronouns - Miss, Misses, Ms, Madame - without realizing it.
I'm more than my chromosomes - and so is everyone else. Genes express themselves in different ways and people develop in different ways.
And good luck with the kidneys. This summer it looked like I might have had to donate one.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
This is exactly what you said: "in terms of female, the definition is pretty straightforward: Must be capable of laying eggs or bearing offspring."
This would exclude infertile women.
So now, when you say "infertile women usually are just missing one or two elements but can otherwise bear children.", you know that the same applies to biological males - we're even working on womb transplants, as per one of my submissions that made it to the front page. John Brunner, in "Stand on Zanzibar" figured out that, with appropriate medical care, it would be possible to raise a foetus in a male by letting it embed in the abdominal cavity and attach to the large intestine for the blood supply. Successful abdominal pregnancies have already happened to women, so a womb isn't necessary.
So all that's really needed is a donor egg and some surgery, and a transsexual woman meets your qualification of "bearing offspring" (since women don't lay eggs). And it's probably going to happen sometime soon, because the demand is there.
The more we know, the more it challenges our "conventional wisdom."
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
This is exactly what you said: "in terms of female, the definition is pretty straightforward: Must be capable of laying eggs or bearing offspring."
This would exclude infertile women.
And also at no point did I say that makes them males. Like another poster said, (and I believe you alluded to) it isn't binary.
So all that's really needed is a donor egg and some surgery, and a transsexual woman meets your qualification of "bearing offspring" (since women don't lay eggs).
As I mentioned earlier, it still wouldn't, at least not in this context anyways. That is, if you're trying to say that this is a credit to female game developers, I'd still respond in the negative.
The stalking cat story reminds me of all the people who say "What if you believed that one of your legs wasn't really yours? Should it be amputated just because you have this belief?"
I suppose I'd be one of those that say no, as I actually know of people who have gone through that. A few of them have succeeded in having limbs amputated, and report being mentally healthier after the fact.
Still though, the status quo in modern medicine says amputation is unethical, and I agree. I think a better solution would be any that retains any existing bodily function. I hold the same view on SRS surgeries, but not anything else (e.g. crossdressing.) But apparently I'm not alone. I remember seeing a documentary about it, and one of the surgeons who performs those surgeries said he'd prefer any solution that avoids surgery.
The answer to that is very simple - we don't have a hundreds of thousands of people who believe that one of their legs is alien to their body. We do have hundreds of thousands of transsexuals. Even the APA now admits that being transsexual is not, in itself, a mental disorder, 40 years after giving the same treatment to gays and lesbians.
We don't really know that though. There could be a lot more like him but won't go through with it because *most* medical professionals will refuse to do these kinds of things, not only that but few of them will have familial support. Also (and I'm not equating this) there are probably a sizable number of people that are into bestiality as well, but don't say anything about it. If you do a google search for them, you'll find forums and such dedicated to it, but try asking any of them if they're out to anybody or open about it. Probably 99.99% of them will answer in the negative.
Similar to you however (and again, I need to stress that I'm not equating) they also seem to believe that what they're doing is good, natural, and indeed their "partners" enjoy it too so there's nothing wrong with it. (And I honestly don't know whether or not they enjoy it. If they do, and nobody is getting hurt, then I guess there's nothing wrong with it, and it wouldn't bother me if I knew anybody who did.) Gays and transexuals denounce them however just how they themselves have been denounced in the past.
Also in addition to what I said, just because there are fewer of them, doesn't make them any less important.
As I mentioned earlier, it still wouldn't, at least not in this context anyways.
Why, Your definition was exactly this:
"in terms of female, the definition is pretty straightforward: Must be capable of laying eggs or bearing offspring."
The reason that chromosomal testing was dropped from the Olympics was a series of embarrassments, including ruling that one woman who later gave birth was a man. More on the history of genetic testing and why it is not authoritative.
So, given that it is now theoretically possible for a male-to-female transsexual to bear offspring via a transplanted ovum embedded in the abdomen and give birth by c-section, why can't you just admit that your definition is too limited?
We've known for a long time that sex starts and ends in the brain. Why not admit that gender is the same thing?
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
there are probably a sizable number of people that are into bestiality as well, but don't say anything about it. If you do a google search for them, you'll find forums and such dedicated to it, but try asking any of them if they're out to anybody or open about it. Probably 99.99% of them will answer in the negative. ...
It's not just the LGBTt who denounce bestiality. Where's the informed consent of the animal? Your comparison is ludicrous.
On another note, transsexualism is so main-stream that when I tell someone, it's like "Oh, okay." That includes doctors, nurses, and neighbors. And they all refer to me as female. The few who don't are family (you can pick your friends, but you can't pick your family) and some idiot that tried to get me to stop pointing out the illegality of a development project at a public meeting - and he had to take out paid display ads in the main news sections of the two largest newspapers apologizing.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Wen getting struck by lightning is not as rare, it's simply not normal.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
WebMD should be ashamed for misrepresenting the research. According to the study, men don't have "6.5 times more gray matter" than women, they have 6.5 times more of their grey matter associated with general intelligence than women. Women have 9.5 times more of their white matter associated with general intelligence than men.
Actually, it does make them less important if you're talking about statistical behaviors to define "normal." 1:1000 (or the newer stat of 1:500) is a lot more normal than 1:1,000,000,000.
Wen getting struck by lightning is not as rare, it's simply not normal.
In that case you'd be even more discriminating than I am. What is normal? I honestly don't have a definition of normal. To me there are definitions that either include you or exclude you. For example if your hair is red then you're a redhead, if not then you're not. However just because you're not a redhead doesn't mean you have brown hair.
It's not just the LGBTt who denounce bestiality. Where's the informed consent of the animal? Your comparison is ludicrous.
There was a BBC documentary about it a while back. I believe the consent (to them) came from the animals showing signs of enjoyment that they normally showed during sex with their own species. That and I think if the larger animals didn't want to participate, they certainly have the power to refuse.
Why, Your definition was exactly this:
Reread the bottom sentence of that post if you would please.
We've known for a long time that sex starts and ends in the brain. Why not admit that gender is the same thing?
And we also know that male and female brains are anatomically different. In transexuals, there's only ever been one marker that varies, which is the white matter. However size and overall anatomy remain the same.
So if a muscular 12-year-old girl is lured into having sex with her teacher (someone in a position of authority, same as a human wrt an animal) and she actually enjoys it (in part because she's thinking that by following her teacher she's doing the right thing) that's okay because she "showed signs of enjoyment"? And that she should have run away instead because "she was certainly capable"?
These excuses have been used by paedophiles in court. They don't work because there was effectively no consent. That you don't see a problem with this is disturbing.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
The final fact is that your 19th-century dictionary definition won't stand up in a 21st-century courtroom.
The laws have changed, and treating a m2f transsexual in their former gender (by using their former name, by referring to them using male pronouns, etc) is illegal.
I don't know where you live, but her continuing to do so once you're aware of the situation is considered both a violation of our civil rights (discrimination based on sex) and criminal harassment.
Telling the court "but they can't give birth so they're not women" won't cut it when the courts consider m2f transsexuals to be female by law. Now if you're ever in the area and want to try it, I'll be happy to make an example out of you, the same as I did to the property developer, because I believe in paying it forward as a thank-you for all the women who made my life possible.
If this sounds a bit militant, well, maybe it's about time that people who don't respect others legal status and civil rights get some push-back and bad publicity. And it's posts like yours that make burgerbecky's act of posting the story here not just interesting because of the "old-skool tech", but also an act of courage knowing that there would be people who refuse to respect both her legal status and her civil rights, and will attack her based on who they think she was, and not who she is or really was.
So welcome to the 21st century. Now, if you don't like the laws, you can lobby to get them changed (good luck with that - even Putin isn't having luck wrt getting rid of the LGBTtQetc), or post a story about how your time machine will let you go back in time to a more intolerant era.
Considering that we have both the law and public opinion on our side, the time machine is probably the only viable solution short of seeing a psychiatrist to ask why you can't adapt to change and also help you to understand that your belief that animals are consenting to bestiality is just wrong on so many levels, as well as being illegal.
Me: It's not just the LGBTt who denounce bestiality. Where's the informed consent of the animal? Your comparison is ludicrous.
You: There was a BBC documentary about it a while back. I believe the consent (to them) came from the animals showing signs of enjoyment that they normally showed during sex with their own species. That and I think if the larger animals didn't want to participate, they certainly have the power to refuse.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
What is normal? I honestly don't have a definition of normal.
Try your 19th-century dictionary, since you won't accept modern sources. Strange how you can't find your dictionary all of a sudden and have to come up with such a lame counterpoint.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
It's just something you do. I'm sure my coworkers complain about how incompetent I am. We magnify other's faults and lessen our own.
I don't recall American Cars rattling or coming apart. I recall the parts wearing out around 100,000 miles and being nearly impossible to fix. The missing welds you're describing would have been noticeable during a test drive. You're teacher's full of it.
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It's never proper to refer to a human person as "it"... Unless your intent is to dehumanise, of course.
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> the depletion of eggs is the showstopper
That line is repeated over and over but it's IMHO very much misleading. There are hundreds of thousands of eggs available at the time the first period rolls over. It's not as if they just disappear at a ratio of roughly a thousand eggs lost per every ovulation. Nothing gets depleted, AFAIK. A woman simply doesn't ovulate as often, and eventually she doesn't ovulate at all. Plenty of eggs are still there, IIRC.
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How about people with androgen insensitivity? Genetically male (XY) physically female.
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