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Obama Offers Funding For 50,000 Police Body Cameras

An anonymous reader writes: Today President Obama announced $263 million worth of funding for law enforcement agencies around the country to outfit officers with body cameras and improve training. The money requires matching funds from state and local authorities, and the $75 million dedicated to body-cams should buy about 50,000 of them. This is in response to the recent events in Ferguson, Missouri. "Obama also plans to overhaul how the federal government disperses military equipment to local police departments, the White House said Monday. ... The Ferguson police department deployed officers wearing gas masks, military fatigues, stun guns and rubber bullets during the initial protests. Studies show the procurement of military equipment by police departments has been on the rise as law enforcement has been allowed to cheaply purchase gear originally deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan."

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  1. There are issues to resolve... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 5, Informative

    Up here in Washington State, several police agencies have embraced the idea of Body Cams. And while there has been no philosophical push-back about public access to Body Cam footage by the coppers, a recent Public Records Request illustrates a more fiscal problem...

    A public records request was made for all Body Cam footage for the last year from several local departments that have been experimenting with the technology. Why should this be a probem, after all, just burn it all to a CD and send it to the guy?

    The are three issues: Privacy - not every interaction a police officer has is in a public place or does not contain things than fall under privacy rules.

    Second is commercial use - You know those Mug Shot Extortion sites? The ones that publish mug shots but for a small fee of several hundred dollars will take yours down? Same thing.

    Third is the fiscal issue - The time to parse through a requst for "all your files for the year" for privacy issues and other things that simply should not end up on a commercial "shock" site or YouTube, this will cost a butt-load.

    So it's become an issue. Here is a Seattle Times article on the subject: http://seattletimes.com/html/l...

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    1. Re:There are issues to resolve... by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

      1. the footage shouldn't be public. there's a lot of interaction that cops deal with which is embarrassing and private for individuals. your underage arrest has to live with you forever? your suicide attempt or domestic issues should be open to prying eyes? no, no, no

      2. the footage shouldn't be under the control of local police departments. "oops, sorry, i 'bumped the server' and we lost the footage of that controversial shooting by my buddy nate. oh well"

      state level? federal level?

      and then really solid rules about who gets to access what footage must be enacted. something similar to HIPAA rules and fines

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    2. Re:There are issues to resolve... by Harlequin80 · · Score: 5, Informative

      QLD Police force use body cams. They are worn at the discretion of the officer but must be on during all times they are patrolling. All the video is time stamped and there needs to be a reason why it was turned off - ie went to the toilet. Turning them off during an incident would get you severely punished here.

      The video is then handed over to a dedicated unit that curates all the data. It is not possible for an officer to access the raw data directly.

      Generally speaking one office in a group wears one when on foot patrol in areas with high alcohol or other related type incidents. So the Valley of Brisbane CBD at night. These have been in place for years and I am not aware of any issues that have arisen from their use.

    3. Re:There are issues to resolve... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The request for the footage was made by the police officers union or people working as their proxy in an attempt to prevent the cameras from getting implemented elsewhere.

      I'm sorry, but this is complete bullshit. The request was made by a private citizen that after the fact gave a number of interviews that indecated he was against the cams as a private citizen.

      Where are your references that support your bullshit?

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    4. Re:There are issues to resolve... by Strudelkugel · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Good article on Bloomberg View about this. It's not the panacea some think it is.

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    5. Re:There are issues to resolve... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      have the police face a presumption of guilt for all accusations that aren't on film.

      "On duty, on video."

      "All" that needs to be done is to remove qualified immunity when the camera turns off. Expect thousands of police union lawyers at that hearing - sometimes obvious solutions are impossible if the system isn't optimizing for solutions.

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    6. Re:There are issues to resolve... by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not quite as clear cut as you claim http://www.brisbanetimes.com.a.... What is interesting is that police officers are buying there own cameras to protect themselves because the courts seem to be unbiased toward police testimony and police must prove the validity of the actions against citizens.

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  2. Why? by Snotnose · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why is this a federal charge? While I firmly believe all cops should wear cameras, I also firmly believe individual departments should be paying for them.

    1. Re:Why? by quantaman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why is this a federal charge? While I firmly believe all cops should wear cameras, I also firmly believe individual departments should be paying for them.

      So the departments in poor neighbourhoods with lots of controvertial police interactions also have the cheap crappy cameras that fail all the time?

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    2. Re:Why? by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They can afford to pay for them by not buying up surplus military equipment like they were equipping the army of some banana republic.

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  3. Privacy by Etherwalk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mod parent up.

    Washington State has a very good public records law; but this is sometimes a problem. The press should be able to get police body cam feeds, probably, and certainly on matters of public concern but realistically it causes more harm than good to have all police bodycam feeds publicly available through, for example, data-mining firms.

    Should the time cops broke up that party a kid was at be available, in video, for the rest of the kid's life?

    How about the time the couple at the end of the block fought and a noise complaint got called in? Should future employers be able to get access to recordings of people at the worst moments of their lives?

    1. Re:Privacy by tlhIngan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Should the time cops broke up that party a kid was at be available, in video, for the rest of the kid's life?

      How about the time the couple at the end of the block fought and a noise complaint got called in? Should future employers be able to get access to recordings of people at the worst moments of their lives?

      There already is a wonderful curator. It's called the courts.

      The recordings must be kept, and they're available to the public. All the public needs to do is convince a judge as to what records you want (giving a date and time) and why.

      If you want all the video recorded, then you have to convince a judge as to why they're relevant to you.

      And if the police fail to produce records they should be able to produce, guess what? The judge can order production, or hold the police in contempt.

      So if you're a kid that got recorded during an out of control party, well, your employer needs to be able to convince the judge that that exact incident is relevant for their business.

      For crimes or police harassment, the date and time as well known and the judge can easily demand release of video around that time - even +/- 1 hour to give some leeway.

      But try convincing a judge that you need all video recorded on December 1, 2014 from everyone. The judge will ask you about what incident requires you to have that much video.

    2. Re:Privacy by Artifakt · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The judge can order production, or hold the police in contempt.

      In many cases where it isn't a matter of the police testimony vrs the accuesed, and in just about all cases in civil court, judges will instruct the jury that they should put the worst reasonable interpretation on one side 'losing' evidence. Losing cases from that is generally going to correct police departments faster than individual contempt citations, and can be used in more situations (Just who gets the contempt citation when a judge suspects the guy running the evidence room was involved, but he's not been called as a witness ? Yes in theory, making the prosecution prove chain of evidence is part of the rights of the accused, but what if the accused's lawyer hasn't even thought of putting that person on the list of witnesses to call? Does the judge have to first order that cop to come to the court and testify on a matter relating to the trial, get him sworn in and get him to say something for the record, so he can be included in the contempt citation?)
              Telling the jury to regard missing evidence in the light most favorable to the opposition lets a good judge cut through a lot of BS. I saw a judge use it once when a prosecutor was trying to convince the jury they needed to unravel one of those situations where a subordinate was saying they were just following orders and their surpervisor was claiming that their orders had been misinterpreted before they could go any further. The judge told the jury they didn't have to worry about where the problem had originated, they just had to treat ALL the related claims as unreliable, and listed what those were. Pushing judges to use this tool as they would in so many other cases looks like a pretty safe way of fixing a social problem to me, but I wouild be interested in hearing how treating cops the standard way (when it comes to losing evidence) can be abused, if people have some counter-examples.

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  4. Re:not enthuisastic about this by Calavar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Pervasive surveillance by law enforcement is a bad thing. Pervasive surveillance of law enforcement is a good thing. And that is what these body cams are: They aren't recording anything that police officers aren't already seeing with their own eyes. Instead, these cameras create a record of officers' actions -- a record that keeps them accountable for said actions.

  5. Re:Part of the Solution by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The respect issue goes both ways. A lot of cops don't work in the neighborhoods that they live in. They either can't afford to live there, like in Boston, or don't want to live there, like [insert ghetto / slum of your choice here]. There is very often an "us versus them" mentality where everyone is treated like a terrorist or felon. Really hard to show respect to authority when it seems to be stepping on your neck all of the time. A lot of cops are professional in these instances, but a lot of cops also feel that they are going on combat patrol in a foreign country and act accordingly. Where do you see good police / citizen interactions? Places where the police actually live where they patrol and patrol where they live.

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  6. Re:not enthuisastic about this by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it just seems another step to pervasive surveillance.

    Unfortunately, there are good reasons for wanting police interaction with the public to be recorded - Rampant police misconduct, and I'm not talking about Furgeson.

    Here is Seattle, our police department is under supervision by the D.O.J. mandated by the Federal Courts after numerous verified "use of force" issues.

    When there is not video, who do you think juries and courts believe?

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  7. Re:Ok the simple math. by Sowelu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Individual hardware is the cheap part--although it does also need to be pretty goddamn ruggedized.

    Departments need new infrastructure: Servers, docking stations, stuff like that. No it's not as easy as plug it in with USB and drag and drop your files--you want this to be a lot more secure than a mountable media drive. Infrastructure is an ongoing cost too, especially with public record requests.

    Training isn't zero, either. Not only do you have to teach people how to operate them (and these aren't all technical people, which means that either training is nontrivial or that docking station really is fancy and expensive), but you also need to teach them policy, really drill it in there. Call it four hours of education and training per user, and the number of users is pretty close to the number of cameras. It's paid training time, so you're covering their salary, management, the organization per-department of those training sessions, hell probably research to make sure you're giving effective training... Look, training and meetings suck, but doing them _right_ is important and it's _expensive_, and you get what you pay for.

    The cost sounds realistic to me.

  8. Re:not enthuisastic about this by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Informative

    it just seems another step to pervasive surveillance.

    Currently they videotape you whenever they want to. Every officer already has the means to tape you if they so choose. The current situation is that they only do record and keep the video when it suits their needs, and they delete it when it's bad for them. The only change here will be the requirement to always record and retain that data.

    For example, were you aware they always record interrogations? (see the video in my sig) but only for their own review to be use against you in court. After they finish the interrogation they intentionally delete it so you can't use it in your defense. They've proven that a jury will more likely believe a police officer stating that you confessed than a video of you actually confessing! So they destroy the audio/video!

    Any and all testimony you make against yourself should be required by law to be taped. There is absolutely no excuse for the current state of things where law enforcements word is trusted implicitly when current technology makes it completely unnecessary to do so. Every statement a person makes to law enforcement could be recorded, virtually for free, and there would then be no need for their testimony at all.

  9. Re:not enthuisastic about this by Bodhammer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    we already have it in the form of everyone with a cell phone camera. if anything remotely interesting in public happens, 5 or 6 people are filming it and its uploaded within the hour and mirrored forever beyond any possible take back within a few hours

    To bad that didn't happen in Ferguson, huh?

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  10. Re:Part of the Solution by Kohath · · Score: 5, Informative

    Police also need to respect citizens. Being on camera all the time will help that at lot. Everyone behaves better when they're on camera.

    Example from the article:

    In 2013, The New York Times reported that the city of Rialto, Calif., was able to cut down on complaints against officers by 88 percent over the previous year when it gave its officers body cameras. Use of force by officers fell by almost 60 percent.

  11. Re: not enthuisastic about this by Rich0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Meh, effectively the same. Which would you rather see, a picture of the officer shooting his gun at somebody, or a picture of what the guy who got shot was doing right before he got shot? If we had the latter in Ferguson there would probably be a lot less looting going on regardless of what the footage showed.

  12. Re:Part of the Solution by Rich0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It just makes sense to record these interactions. It protects everybody who is in the right, and deters people from being in the wrong. It gets rid of the whole he-said/she-said nonsense and restores public confidence in policing.

    If the shooting in Ferguson was captured on video there would have been no protests. If the video showed a harmless man being gunned down in cold blood then the cop would be on trial for murder and the public would see justice being served - there would certainly be complaints but nothing like what we saw. If the video showed a credible threat against the officer's or the public's safety with a measured response, then that would take the wind out of the sails of most of the protests. In the absence of conclusive evidence either way everybody gets to invent their own story of what happened.

  13. Re: not enthuisastic about this by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I find it hard to believe that every Barney Fife across the country needs to wear a body camera because one cop in Ferguson killed someone that was attacking him.

    Preventing another Ferguson is the catalyst, but certainly not the only reason for copcams. The cameras provide accountability. They reduce violence, since both the cop and the perp will behave better on camera. BIG ONE: They dramatically reduce lawsuits against the police. Partly because there are fewer incidents, but also because there is less dispute about what happened. They also make prosecutions faster and less expensive, since there is no dispute about what was seen or heard by the cop.

    Citations:
    California police body cams cut violence
    Year long study on the effect of Copcams

    Every cop car should have a dashcam.
    Every patrolling cop should have a bodycam.

  14. Re:Wrong... by Todd+Palin · · Score: 4, Informative

    True, but most states have a law similar to FOIA. Oregon has Oregon Open Records Act, which is similar to FOIA. The Oregon Open Records Act applies to the State of Oregon, all municipalities, and all county governments, so pretty much all cops are covered in Oregon.

  15. Re:not enthuisastic about this by ScentCone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Considering how many witnesses were caught telling multiple, incompatible versions of their story for the grand jury, part of me wonders if someone actually did have a video but kept quiet.

    They didn't need a video. They had abundant physical evidence that debunked the obvious BS that a bunch of the Get Me On The TV types were trying to sell. And then there's the number of witnesses who finally admitted they hadn't seen anything at all, and just told what they assumed (hoped?) had happened, or heard from somebody else.

    There were a core of witnesses who said very similar things, and whose observations were right in line with the physical evidence. It's very telling that most of those witnesses wanted to be sure that their reports would be kept private, and out of the media. Gee, I wonder who they're scared of? Not the police - they went TO the police.

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  16. Re: not enthuisastic about this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    ferguson isnt about one incident.
    its about a track record of bad behaviour on the part of their local PD.
    of abusive and discriminatory police actions.

    indeed, in this case it appears that the officer have been justified*, and therefore the protestors shouldnt focus so much on this particular incident but rather more on that history, on that pattern of behaviour.

    but then again, these are folks so disillusioned with their local police, so cut off from their local government, that they no longer trust anything the local authorities tell them.
    rightly or wrongly, they view the findings in the brown/wilson case are simply more of the same. if it was a different colored group of people distrusting the government and protesting a track record of government abuse (existent or not), like say some rancher somewhere, there would be less condemnation and more support. people would even drive clear across the country in that support.

    and looking at how the police handled this case, from the very begining, it really is more of the same:
    -body was left in the street for hours...no ambulence came, no nothing
    -police abused protestors, both physically and verbally, with racial epithets thrown
    -police roughed up journalists
    -police violated civil rights of protestors
    -police kept out news helicopters trying to cover story (didnt want aerial footage like the infamous footage from Selma)
    -SWAT and sniper teams with weapons aimed at protestors
    -tear gas used against protestors (held to be unconstitutional by the Supreme Court years ago)

    Basically everything they could do wrong in handling the entire situation, they did.
    In fact it even seemed like they were purposely antagonistic to the protestors.