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The Case For Flipping Your Monitor From Landscape to Portrait

Molly McHugh writes The vast majority of computer-related tasks see no benefit from a screen that is longer than it is tall. Sure, video playback and gaming are some key exceptions, but if you watch Netflix on your TV instead of your computer monitor and you're not into PC gaming, that long, wide display is doing nothing but hampering your experience. Let's flip it. No, seriously. Let's flip it sideways.

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  1. Have Both by PvtVoid · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have two monitors: one landscape, one next to it flipped into portrait mode. It's not fucking rocket science.

    1. Re:Have Both by B33rNinj4 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Same here. I've found that both fit my needs for my work. Plus, it's great to have a restaurant menu up on my portrait monitor.

    2. Re:Have Both by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Funny

      I use my monitor rotated in portrait mode and rotated 270 degrees.

    3. Re:Have Both by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I use my monitor rotated in portrait mode and rotated 270 degrees.

      I've rotated my screen 360 degrees :-)

      "The vast majority of computer-related tasks see no benefit from a screen that is longer than it is tall."

      Seriously, most of todays screens are so big that you can fit 2 pages side-by-side, which is a lot more convenient than one page at a time in portrait mode. Ditto for individual windows. Rotating them into portrait mode will cause neck strain as you have to tilt your head back to properly see the top.

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    4. Re:Have Both by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      It leads to a little bit of weirdness at either the top or bottom of the transition, since there aren't any (common) monitor sizes that are 1920 pixels tall; but given the absurd cheapness of more-or-less-adequate 1920x1080 displays, I've become fond of a 'triptych' style arrangement where I have the nicest monitor I can reasonably afford in landscape orientation in the center(2560x1440 is pretty reasonable these days, 2560x1600 if the premium isn't too bad, one of the '4k' resolutions once the necessary displayport and HDMI revisions to run them above 30Hz settle down) and then have two 1920x1080 cheapies in portrait, one on each side, for additional room.

    5. Re:Have Both by JMJimmy · · Score: 2

      I have two monitors: one landscape, one next to it flipped into portrait mode. It's not fucking rocket science.

      Drop zones + 30" or bigger screen at a minimum of 2560x1960 res + up to 9 programs open side by side. You have space for up to 9x 853x533res windows or my preferred setup: 3x1x3 - 6 resources open for reference or drop swapping to the main middle panel which looks/acts more like a portrait screen. None of this affects the ability to full screen video or play games and keeps it all on a single monitor. 3200x1800 works well for that

    6. Re:Have Both by msauve · · Score: 2

      Sure, have both, but why have 2?

      The Radius Pivot let you switch on the fly, in the early 1990's.

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    7. Re: Have Both by SLi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I would do this at work for writing code, but alas, I currently work on Windows, and its support for portrait monitors, let alone landscape+portrait, is broken enough that the path of least pain is just to use landscape alone.

      Specifically, there seems to be no way to get proper antialiased fonts in portrait mode. While ClearType makes Windows fonts quite tolerable, it doesn't (and arguably can't) work in portrait mode. Traditional antialiasing could work, but for some inexplicable reason Windows disables it for a large range of font sizes (something like 7..13).

      Even worse, you can either use ClearType on all of your monitors or none of them. On portrait monitors Windows, when using ClearType, still renders the fonts as if it was landscape; the result is an incredibly blurry, colored mess. So if you have one portrait monitor, you have to tolerate aliased fonts on all of your displays.

    8. Re:Have Both by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

      Seriously, most of todays screens are so big that you can fit 2 pages side-by-side, which is a lot more convenient than one page at a time in portrait mode.

      It's not convenient at all for most users who read one website at a time.

    9. Re:Have Both by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I've rotated my screen 360 degrees :-)

      Does it improve the picture now that you have twisted cables?

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    10. Re:Have Both by praxis · · Score: 2

      Why would you want to limit yourself to only one screen? It has been repeatedly shown that the single biggest and most consistent productivity enhancing upgrade you can give to almost anyone working on a computer is a second monitor.

      Do you have a citation for a few of these studies?

    11. Re: Have Both by Immerman · · Score: 2

      I've noticed the problem myself and turned off Cleartype - I find the vertical aspect ratio more than makes up for the loss in smoothness, though that can vary from font to font - try some of the programming-specific fonts, there are some very good free ones out there - Adobe's Source Code Pro is a decent starting point, can't remember the name of the one I finally settled on.

      As for subpixel rendering "arguably not being able to work in portrait mode", what would be your reasoning? Certainly any subpixel hinting that presumes horizontal alignment would be of no use, but assuming a well-made font to begin with (i.e. one that doesn't depend on mountains of such hints to look good) there shouldn't be any problems.

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    12. Re: Have Both by wbo · · Score: 4, Informative

      ClearType / Subpixel font rendering works just fine on my Windows 7 PC with 1 24" monitor in landscape and another 24" rotated in portrait.

      It didn't work for some reason when I had a fairly old ATI/AMD graphics card (It didn't take into account the rotation of the portrait monitor), But when I replaced the card with a mid-range nVidia card the problem went away. My guess is the ATI graphics driver wasn't properly reporting the orientation and pixel layout information received from the monitor.

      I have seen some (usually cheap) monitors that don't appear to have an option in their menu to set their orientation. My guess is ClearType probably wouldn't work properly on them since the DDC information would be incorrect when rotated, but that is more of a problem with the monitor than Windows.

    13. Re:Have Both by magarity · · Score: 2

      Rotating them into portrait mode will cause neck strain as you have to tilt your head back to properly see the top.

      You're sitting WAY too close.

    14. Re:Have Both by Ottibus · · Score: 2

      [...]one of the '4k' resolutions once the necessary displayport and HDMI revisions to run them above 30Hz settle down

      You should be OK with DisplayPort for 4K, it has been around for a while. HDMI is more recent and therefore more marginal.

      And I totally agree about waiting for 60Hz, 30Hz feels very sluggish for interactive work. I just got a 120Hz monitor and that feels pretty slick for desktops (as well as games, of course!)

    15. Re:Have Both by Ottibus · · Score: 5, Funny

      I've rotated my screen 360 degrees :-)

      Does it improve the picture now that you have twisted cables?

      Make sure you rotate by -360 degress in the Southern Hemisphere or the electrons will get tangled.

    16. Re:Have Both by magarity · · Score: 2

      Oh yeah? I have one in landscape, one in portrait AND one at 45 degrees.

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    17. Re:Have Both by Immerman · · Score: 2

      I've never had any issue, on any of the many PCs I've used - except for gaming, and that's kind of the pinnacle of anti-productivity. Well, not entirely true - some Linux distros required a little tweaking for certain monitor alignments, and had some issues with performance in portrait mode.

      Resolution though is largely irrelevant to most usages - it's the physical size of the screen real estate that matters. It won't make much difference to your productivity whether that 1/4" tall 'a' is represented by 6 vertical pixels or 6000.

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    18. Re:Have Both by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 2

      >" It has been repeatedly shown that the single biggest and most consistent productivity enhancing upgrade you can give to almost anyone working on a computer is a second monitor."

      Bullshit. It's a private office with no distractions.

      More screen is nice, but what goes on inside skulls is more important for productivity.

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    19. Re:Have Both by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      http://www.corecommunication.ca/4-studies-which-show-that-using-a-second-monitor-can-boost-productivity/

      There's 4 for you. Generally I believe it's more monitor space is what's more productive, not just having two.

    20. Re:Have Both by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 2
      can't swivel to portrait

      You need more gaffer tape.

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    21. Re: Have Both by ClickOnThis · · Score: 2

      A general ergonomic rule-of-thumb is to adjust your monitor's vertical position so that the top edge is level with your eyes and you don't need to look upwards. A portrait-orientation of your monitor makes that objective difficult to achieve.

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    22. Re: Have Both by neoritter · · Score: 2

      Not really...

    23. Re: Have Both by nbauman · · Score: 3

      Yes, Henry Dreyfuss figured that out. A lot of aircraft cockpits and control panels look like his templates.

      http://www.learneasy.info/MDME...

      http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5Hl9...

      His recommendation was that the optimum viewing range went from the horizon to 30 degrees below the horizon. Your eyes can move comfortably from about 25 degrees above the horizon to 35 degrees below the horizon.

      I used to use them back in the days of India ink and T squares.

  2. Depends by Bigbutt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I manage Unix systems so having it be wide screen helps with longer lines.

    But I also write code so having a portrait screen helps when I'm reading documentation (PDFs for example).

    So I have a four monitor setup. Two Landscape (one reversed above my number 1 landscape monitor) and Two Portrait; one to the left and one to the right of the two center monitors. Works well for web browsing and coding where I want more side to side screen space and gaming and works well when coding and I need directories to the left and pdfs to the right. The top screen has my debugger or Firebug if I'm working on a web page.

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    1. Re:Depends by landoltjp · · Score: 5, Funny

      I just got turned on by this.

    2. Re:Depends by rogermcdodger · · Score: 3, Informative

      Many monitors have a larger bezel on the bottom. By flipping the top one it reduces non-screen space between the two.

  3. You're Doing It Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The examples show lots of web sites in a maximized browser window. I use my widescreen monitor in landscape mode so I can have multiple windows simultaneously visible side-by-side. The examples are doing it poorly!

    1. Re:You're Doing It Wrong by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

      Normal users only read one website at a time. Only programmers, professionals, etc need to access lots of information simultaneously.

    2. Re:You're Doing It Wrong by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The examples show lots of web sites in a maximized browser window. I use my widescreen monitor in landscape mode so I can have multiple windows simultaneously visible side-by-side. The examples are doing it poorly!

      Yep. The biggest use I get out of wide monitors is working on two things at once on a single display. This way I can get everything done on one display while I watch TV or movies on my second monitor. It would be nice to have a 3rd display that's in portrait mode.

    3. Re:You're Doing It Wrong by Matheus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If normal users could watch multiple pr0n side-by-side they totally would.

    4. Re:You're Doing It Wrong by RJFerret · · Score: 2

      Also my eyes are side by side, so my field of view is "landscape" in nature. Even were I blind in one eye, my single eye field of view is wider than tall.

      Back in the 90s is was popular for desktop publishing to use portrait monitors, until they found they could simply have as much vertical resolution with more space on the side...higher res landscape monitors.

    5. Re:You're Doing It Wrong by Oligonicella · · Score: 2

      With a large screen, normal users will have a browser up and then maybe their finance app or a game up. Or perhaps, we're both making up what "normal users" do.

    6. Re: You're Doing It Wrong by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      I'm a bit surprised that the plummeting cost and increasing availability of giant monitors hasn't given any impetus to some sort of decent tiling window manager(even just as an option lurking where only the power users would find it). Sure, in Linux, basically every permutation of Window management is possible(and might even be maintained); but pickings are slimmer in Windows and OSX.

      Setting a system so that 'maximize' only expands a window to fill half of your giant wide screen, or dividing a single physical screen into multiple logical screens(the reverse, however, is often possible), or even 'snap-to' for manually tiling multiple application windows without annoying gaps or overlaps, surprisingly uncommon.

      I always wince a little when I see somebody wasting a huge swath of screen space on the whitespace on the right side of a poorly designed web page or the like; but I can't really blame them when non-guru support for partitioning giant monitors is so poor.

    7. Re: You're Doing It Wrong by hawkeyeMI · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There are various apps that will help you mimic a tiling window manager on Windows and OSX, by stuffing windows into pre-defined areas on the monitor. They don't work great. I looked and looked for proper tiling window managers like i3 on Windows. They just don't exist. There have been several attempts but they all seem to be abandoned. I had decent success with Divvy on Windows, for what it's worth, but I prefer i3/linux on my 39" 4K SEIKI display. Landscape. Honestly i find the article a bit dumb. Windows even lets you snap windows into half the display by dragging to the edge these days.

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    8. Re: You're Doing It Wrong by Immerman · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually as I recall that's an included behavior in Windows 7 at least - drag a window to one edge of the screen and it "semi-maximizes" to fill that half. Tweakable in whatever settings screen lets you drag a window to the top of the screen to maximize. (Not using Windows at the moment, so can't test)

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    9. Re: You're Doing It Wrong by SmilingBoy · · Score: 2

      Better to use the Windows-Key and the left or right arrow than dragging to the edge if you have multiple screens. This way you can also snap to the side where your screens are (virtually) connected.

    10. Re:You're Doing It Wrong by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 2

      Yes.
      That's why TV's had screen in screen for thirty years.

  4. Would love to do this by barlevg · · Score: 2

    But both of my desktop monitors are locked into landscape. Now what I'd *really* like to see is a portrait (or a flippable) LAPTOP monitor...

  5. View angles by MrLogic17 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some monitors are make to be viewed landscape, and when rotated have horrible view angles.
    I found some at work where the view angle was so bad, only one eye would get a good picture, while the other eye showed a faded & discolored image. Rubber-necking around would find a small sweet spot for viewing.

    TLDR; doesn't work well on some monitors.

    1. Re:View angles by jandrese · · Score: 4, Informative

      In general: avoid TN displays if you intend to rotate the screen. IPS displays are much better for this.

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    2. Re:View angles by Russ1642 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And here's the comment I was looking for. Monitors aren't designed to be placed into portrait mode. They completely suck. Each eye sees different brightnesses and colours. It's truly awful unless you're one of those people that doesn't mind a distorted image. You probably have your widescreen TV in 4:3 to 16:9 stretch mode at home too.

    3. Re:View angles by Squapper · · Score: 2, Interesting

      All monitors are made to be viewed landscape. It's about biology. Our eyes are by nature more accustomed to view wide scenes instead of tall ones. If you feel like flipping your monitor to a vertical format, you probably have a too small monitor. With a properly sized widescreen monitor, two webpages fit nicely side-by-side. Who maximizes browser windows nowdays anyway?

    4. Re:View angles by Bigbutt · · Score: 2

      That you say all monitors completely suck when used in Portrait mode when you should have said the monitors you've used completely suck in Portrait mode. My Acer monitors work just fine in Portrait and rotated 180* with no distortion.

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    5. Re:View angles by JohnFen · · Score: 2

      Most of the space towards the left and right of a monitor is not used -- the viewer does not pay much attention to those areas of the monitor.

      Whaa? On my machines, the entirety of the space to the left and right are used.

  6. Resolution is whacked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Computer monitors nowadays are just Hi-def TV screens. I had better monitor resolutions in the 90s than I do today.

    1. Re:Resolution is whacked by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 2

      Computer monitors nowadays are just Hi-def TV screens. I had better monitor resolutions in the 90s than I do today.

      Some of them are, and for a while things did go that way due to very inexpensive 1080p panels making higher-res displays look like a bad value, but that's changed recently. I just got a beautiful 2560x1440 display for only $300 from Monoprice. I'd post a link, but I'd feel too much like an advertiser, so you'll have to search yourselves if interested.

  7. Everything old is new again by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Portrait monitors were all the rage back in the 90's. All the desktop publishing people used them for working with Aldus Pagemaker.

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  8. Oh, I see. by wisnoskij · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So if we ignore many different and popular reasons to use a computer then portrait comes out on top.

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  9. Don't by zmooc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So because web designers fail to properly design the web and thus leave me with ridiculously narrow columns, I should rotate my monitor? That's rubbish. Scientific research has shown again and again that we can read longer lines much more efficiently than we can read short lines, even though our subjective experience is often to the contrary. Just fix those websites and keep your monitor in landscape. Thank you.

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    1. Re:Don't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Rubbish. You cannot read long lines without guidance, research has shown that for centuries. Stop lying.

  10. Help! by berchca · · Score: 3, Funny

    Okay, I've managed to get the monitor off my laptop (it must have been stuck; I had to pry it off). Can someone tell me how to re-attach it as portrait?

    1. Re:Help! by Russ1642 · · Score: 4, Funny

      JB Weld.

  11. Spreadsheets? by Alicat1194 · · Score: 2

    Good luck using a portrait monitor to look at spreadsheets - it'd drive you mad by the end of the day.

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  12. Sigh by ledow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My eyes are aligned horizontally, not vertically.

    Sure, I can make the case for more vertical space. But not at the expense of horizontal.

    The only thing we use vertically is paper, and that's because we rarely consider the whole page in one go - only caring about one half at a time. And that makes it two pieces of landscape A5.

    Books are portrait, I'll give you that. But you unfold them into a landscape A5-ish or large book with multiple columns (because of the difficulty of printing very near the gutter in the middle).

    Children's picture books? Almost all landscape.
    Movies? Landscape.
    Photographs? Mostly landscape and certainly specified in landscape size and cameras are mostly designed for landscape operation (except when making portraits - for which we shockingly use them portrait!)

    You have two eyes, one left, one right. Together they focus on the object of interest.

    If you want a BIGGER landscape monitor so you can put a full A4 piece of paper on it - do that. Get it in landscape format and it will be wide enough to visualise two pieces at the same time at full height. That's not true if you flip the portrait/landscapes in those sentences.

    Portrait displays have specific and specialised uses. And almost all of them leave horizontal space in everyone's visions (sometimes for a purpose, e.g. portraits without lots of side-art on them, sometimes because of cost - airport displays not being wider than necessary). If you fill that horizontal space, you get a landscape display of the same height that is suited for all purposes.

    I can't see the case for portrait monitors for ordinary desktops at all except to "be different" or in very specialised applications where a landscape monitor of the same height will do twice as much.

  13. Stop using windows full screen by Macdude · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If the author of this piece was smart enough to stop using windows full-screen, he'd realise that it's very useful to be able to view (at least partially) multiple windows at the same time.

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  14. The case for not: by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Subpixels orient horizontally.

  15. Serving Slashdotters lacks economies of scale by tepples · · Score: 2
    Anonymous Coward wrote:

    Since when is /. for normal users?

    Since when do Slashdot users make up enough of the market to justify economies of scale, especially with the opportunity cost of not using the same capital to offer a mass-market product?

  16. Snap: Tiling window manager in Windows 7+ by tepples · · Score: 5, Informative

    Setting a system so that 'maximize' only expands a window to fill half of your giant wide screen

    In Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1, pressing Win+Left or Win+Right (or dragging a window's title bar to the left or right edge) will "Snap" it, which expands it to fill half the screen. In previous versions of Windows, you could do something similar by clicking one window's title in the taskbar, Ctrl+right-clicking another, and choosing Tile Vertically.

  17. Re:Read one, write other by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I guess you've never seen a regular web user. They don't write documents at the same time they're reading a website.

    They just read websites.

  18. VVS by fox171171 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sure, video playback and gaming are some key exceptions

    Well, with all the tards with VVS, I suppose even video is not always an exception either.

    Vertical Video Syndrome - A PSA
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  19. Line length and eye movement error by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    Scientific research has shown again and again that we can read longer lines much more efficiently than we can read short lines

    Up to a point. True, 75 columns are better than 25. But the research I've read concludes that line lengths past 80 columns (roughly 36-40em) cause the reader to accidentally skip or repeat lines more often.

  20. All maximized all the time, even on tablets by tepples · · Score: 2

    The author of the article seems to use the desktop monitor the way a tablet is used, i.e., a full-screen window for each app.

    Why are tablets even used that way when a 7" screen is as big as two 4-5" phone screens and a 10" tablet is as big as four? I want to be able to read a page in half the screen and write comments in the other half.

    1. Re:All maximized all the time, even on tablets by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 2

      Yeah, that's one of my peeves. Full-screen makes sense on my small iPhone, but my 10" iPad is more than big enough for 2 windows.

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  21. Re:moot with 4k monitors by vadim_t · · Score: 2

    No, it has plenty point to it, it makes everything much crisper looking.

    Look at the screen of any person with a 4K Mac, they're not using a microscopic font. Their font sizes are the same size as on the older hardware, but they get more pixels per character.

  22. Re:100% Agree by byteherder · · Score: 2

    If I want to compare code, side-by-side in landscape mode is better. I use the the diff tool and it helps having the extra horizontal space.

    When I can writing code (maybe it is just me) but I like to see as many lines of code as possible on the screen as possible. That is why most coders reduce their type size to just above micro print. It sure would be nice to have some more vertical lines. I find that too much scrolling just breaks up being in the zone.

  23. Re:Speaking of rocket surgery by RabidReindeer · · Score: 2

    The software I use most often actually works best on a system thats 1600x1200 or some similar aspect. The prevalence of 1080p has been a real pain. But rotating to portrait mode would be worse.

    That particular product, incidentally, already allows putting controls in any of the 4 borders and I do have some of them running down the side.

    Websites often are either slideshows, in which case orientation isn't really an issue or they are long, narrow things that run down like a papyrus scroll. For that sort of thing, portrait is not a bad idea. I read most websites on my tablet in portrait.

    Unfortunately, I prefer the handly 7-inch one-hand tablet and not all "mobile" websites are really "mobile" enough for that screen size.

  24. Re:Read one, write other by gbjbaanb · · Score: 3

    but I use Windows 8 you insensitive clod!

  25. Re:Should be obvious... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

    When my Black MacBook (2006) gave up the ghost after eight years of faithful, I switched over to my Windows 8.1 computer. Since my data was in platform-neutral formats, I had no problem making the switch. I guess I'm the exception to the rule.