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Birds Fled Area Before Tornadoes Appeared

SternisheFan sends a report from scientists who were tracking a group of birds — golden-winged warblers — in the Appalachian mountains. Just a few days after the birds completed their seasonal migration, they did something odd — they picked up and moved again. Shortly thereafter, a series of storms swept through that area of the U.S., which led to a destructive tornado outbreak (abstract). After the storm had blown over, the team recaptured five of the warblers and removed the geolocators. These are tiny devices weighing about half a gram, which measure light levels. Based on the timing and length of the days they record, these gadgets allow scientists to calculate and track the approximate location of migratory birds. In this case, all five indicated that the birds had taken unprecedented evasive action, beginning one to two days ahead of the storm's arrival. "The warblers in our study flew at least 1,500km (932 miles) in total," Dr. Streby said. They escaped just south of the tornadoes' path — and then went straight home again. By 2 May, all five were back in their nesting area."

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  1. So the question is... by DiamondGeezer · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...what ruffled THEIR feathers?

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    1. Re:So the question is... by SternisheFan · · Score: 5, Informative

      ...what ruffled THEIR feathers?

      According to TFA, they sensed low level harmonics in the atmosphere long before the storms arrived...

      " The most likely tip-off was the deep rumble that tornadoes produce, well below what humans can hear. Noise in this "infrasound" range travels thousands of kilometres, and may serve as something of an early warning system for animals that can pick it up. "It's very unlikely that this species is the only group doing this," Dr Streby said. Even from casual birdwatching in the area as the storm drew nearer, he said, "It seemed like there were far fewer birds - so I suspect it's not a species-specific trait." "

    2. Re:So the question is... by amiga3D · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I remember a story about a guy photographing animals in an area where a Tsunami hit back in 2004. He said he was taking pictures when suddenly all the animals, I think he said they were some kind of antelope, suddenly looked toward the ocean then the entire herd ran away. He was greatly puzzled until a while later when he was hanging onto the top of a tree for his very life. I know if I'm somewhere and suddenly all the animals start hauling ass I'm going to follow them.

    3. Re:So the question is... by ChipMonk · · Score: 1

      Just before the New Madrid earthquake hit, snakes that should have been hibernating underground were seen active and crawling on the surface. According to legend, a medicine man observed this and commented that "there is evil on the earth."

    4. Re:So the question is... by electrosoccertux · · Score: 1

      ...what ruffled THEIR feathers?

      According to TFA, they sensed low level harmonics in the atmosphere long before the storms arrived...

      "
      The most likely tip-off was the deep rumble that tornadoes produce, well below what humans can hear.

      Noise in this "infrasound" range travels thousands of kilometres, and may serve as something of an early warning system for animals that can pick it up.

      so why don't we start listening for it with our warning systems?

    5. Re:So the question is... by tompaulco · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Low level harmonics are below what birds can hear too, but they can feel them, and so can we. Of course, Tornadoes that are going to form two days in the future don't produce this deep rumble. They may have sensed the pressure dropping, which humans can also sense, and then they flew away from where they were in hopes of finding higher pressure somewhere else.

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    6. Re:So the question is... by Smauler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The trouble with stories like this is that animals do a whole host of stuff that we cannot explain, and we connect it to events that happen after the fact.

      Situation 1 : Lots of animals are running somewhere. Nothing happens.... they must have just been spooked by something random.

      Situation 2 : Lots of animals are running somewhere. There's a tsunami/earthquake/tornado.... they must have known something we don't.

      Finding that some animals behave in an odd, unexplained way just before a major natural disaster isn't news - Animals behave in an odd, unexplained way all the time.

      There has been lots of genuine research into animal behaviour to try and predict major natural disasters, nearly all of which has been fruitless. Many animals are killed by natural disasters.

      Now, if someone actually predicted a natural disaster by using animal behaviour, that might be interesting. Saying that the animals acted weird just before, when looking back, is suspect.

    7. Re:So the question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tornados last 2 days?

    8. Re:So the question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I live in Amsterdam, when seagulls start appearing in the city you pretty much now that a storm will be coming within 24 hours.
      Not so long ago I noticed it when I got to work and I told my colleagues that a storm was coming because of the seagulls. The weather bureaux didn't worn us, and my colleagues didn't believe me; that night it stormed.

      It is one of the few things I actually react on, I even once made sure I left a bit earlier from work, storms can mess with public transport a bit.

    9. Re:So the question is... by TapeCutter · · Score: 5, Interesting

      so why don't we start listening for it with our warning systems?

      That's what I was thinking, also how can a tornado make any type of noise 2 days before it forms? I can understand animals picking up things we can't, deer may hear the rumble of a quake that causes a tsunami, my dog routinely hears thunder 15-20 minutes before I do and looks for a hiding spot, but how the hell does any animal "hear" something that won't exist for another two days?

      Having said that the animal kingdom is full of "mysterious knowledge", for example crocodiles in Northern Australia can somehow "calculate" when a king tide will occur, about an hour before the event they gather at a particular ford across a river where the unusually high tide spills over the ford leaving a bonanza of fish stranded on the rocks. Even Attenborough admits he doesn't have a clue how the crocodiles "know" when to gather at the ford.

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    10. Re:So the question is... by Rakhar · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't think flying ~500 miles away equates to a deer running scared from a sound in the woods. If this is the same story I saw yesterday, the birds in question had just settled in after a migration flight of 3000 miles or so total. After one or two days back they up and flew ~500 miles away, then came right back to the same spot. This is way more specific than most tales you hear of animals getting away from natural disasters. It's worth looking into for exactly the reason you said, "if someone actually predicted a natural disaster by using animal behaviour, that might be interesting." Thus why it's a news story at all.

    11. Re:So the question is... by MickLinux · · Score: 1

      I wonder why they think the noise was the instigation. We know that tornados have significant currents and magnetic fields; and we know that migrating birds have significant magnetic sensitivity.

      Is it far fetched to think they might have felt its magnetic effects?

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    12. Re:So the question is... by Smauler · · Score: 1

      I understand that.

      The BBC had a programme tracking ospreys a while back. A couple of them just flew to completely unexpected places (more than 500 miles from where they were expected), the more normal ones were much more random than expected too. No one could really figure out why they flew to the places they did when they did.

      Had there been some kind of problem where the ospreys were not, it would have been all to easy to assign knowledge to the Ospreys.

      Also, as I said above : Plenty of animals do get killed in natural disasters, migratory birds are _very_ affected by storms.

    13. Re:So the question is... by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      ...I know if I'm somewhere and suddenly all the animals start hauling ass I'm going to follow them.

      I act the same way if I see people in lab coats running, but I give them some lateral space in case they started too late...

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    14. Re:So the question is... by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Extreme low pressure starts moving in, they feel it, move away from low pressure. They feel the low pressure pass, and go back. Its not difficult or magic or even an unknown process. They detect the storm coming in the exact same way the weatherman does. These pressure gradients cover large areas, 500 miles isn't that far for such a thing.

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    15. Re:So the question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder why they think the noise was the instigation. We know that tornados have significant currents and magnetic fields; and we know that migrating birds have significant magnetic sensitivity.

      Is it far fetched to think they might have felt its magnetic effects?

      Yes.

      A tornado's lifespan in in seconds, rarely minutes. They do not exist 2 days ahead and so can not be sensed. Fragile birds that die to broken wings from light winds may learn low pressure systems = death and avoid them. If race horses were somehow able to know tripping and falling results in a broken leg and death, they'd ignore the lash on their hind quarters and all walk gently down the fairway.

    16. Re:So the question is... by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      It only seems weird at the time. After the fact it's obvious what was up.

    17. Re:So the question is... by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 3, Funny

      Are these the same birds that fly into jet engines and wind generator turbines?

    18. Re:So the question is... by Barsteward · · Score: 2

      I think the fact that it was the whole flock, rather than just a couple, that decamped and came back is important. A couple of birds going off to another destination is not unusual.

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    19. Re:So the question is... by Boronx · · Score: 1

      Those seagulls probably saw the storm.

    20. Re:So the question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give natural selection some time.

      The birds have had millions of years to figure out when tornados are comming.
      But they've only had a few decades to figure out not to fly into engines.

      Eventuall they'll figure out the engine thing too. Assuming humans last millions of years.

    21. Re:So the question is... by Talderas · · Score: 1

      Also assuming humans use the same style of engine technology for millions of years.

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    22. Re:So the question is... by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      The largest number of birds I've ever seen in flight came right before a massive blizzard. I was standing by a river and over it tens of thousands of ducks and geese were flying due south, away from the incoming snow. "Wow, that's ominous," I said, before going home and being trapped inside for several days by nearly three feet of snow.

    23. Re:So the question is... by electrosoccertux · · Score: 1

      Even Attenborough admits he doesn't have a clue how the crocodiles "know" when to gather at the ford.

      well, Attenborough died. Which shows you how much he knows...

    24. Re:So the question is... by strikethree · · Score: 1

      I once knew an earthquake was about to hit about 5 minutes before it did. Of course, I have been in several earthquakes, and only the one ever gave me a clue before it happened.

      If it matters, which it doesn't, I felt a "pressure" in my head. It grew almost palpable and then the earthquake happened which felt like a logical release of the pressure. A very odd experience. It was also one of the weirdest earthquakes that I ever felt. It was a rolling rather than a shaking. It felt a bit like being on a boat in the ocean.

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  2. Great observational skills by BitZtream · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow, someone just now noticed that animals can easily detect incoming low pressure fronts and hide from the weather.

    Guess what, humans are essentially the only ones who can't tell when bad weather is coming. Ask anyone who spends some time in nature rather than hiding in some office or school room.

    Fish, cows, horses, dogs, cats, squirrels, birds, pretty much anything you can think of takes cover well before a storm, except us.

    The warblers weren't running form 'tornados' they were running from low pressure gradients moving in rapidly.

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    1. Re:Great observational skills by itzly · · Score: 3, Funny

      Guess what, humans are essentially the only ones who can't tell when bad weather is coming.

      And we're also the only ones that can understand the weather forecast on TV.

    2. Re:Great observational skills by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, my experience is that humans who spend a lot of time outdoors in all types of weather get pretty good at knowing when to take cover as well. The degree to which this is a product of direct (detecting that a low/high pressure front is coming and similar) or indirect (observing the behavior of animals) is hard to determine since most of the time their prognostication is based on putting together various barely noticed clues.

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    3. Re:Great observational skills by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, my experience is that humans who spend a lot of time outdoors in all types of weather get pretty good at knowing when to take cover as well. The degree to which this is a product of direct (detecting that a low/high pressure front is coming and similar) or indirect (observing the behavior of animals) is hard to determine since most of the time their prognostication is based on putting together various barely noticed clues.

      "It's quiet. Too quiet ..." Always a sign to run for cover.

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    4. Re:Great observational skills by amiga3D · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think the surprise was how far in advance they detected it. We always knew animals are more in touch with the world.

    5. Re:Great observational skills by tompaulco · · Score: 4, Informative

      Guess what, humans are essentially the only ones who can't tell when bad weather is coming.

      Humans can tell when bad weather is coming. We can sense low pressure and it makes us uneasy. One difference between humans and birds is that birds can fly away but can't hunker down in a shelter and ride it out. Other than birds that build in cliffsides, bird's nests are generally pretty exposed. Humans can't fly, but can hunker down in a shelter and ride it out.

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    6. Re:Great observational skills by BitZtream · · Score: 2

      Yea, I'll place my money on what the animals are doing, which are FAR more accurate than any weather forecast I've seen.

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    7. Re:Great observational skills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just proves even a bird is smarter than joe six pack average murican.

    8. Re:Great observational skills by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Hah! Joe Six Pack spends a lot of time hunting and fishing. I do believe he would be better at this than Mr IT.

    9. Re:Great observational skills by Immerman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Flying 1500km is a lot more than "taking cover from a storm" - thats a *lot* of calories to spend, especially right after an already strenuous migration. Pressure changes are common occurrences, so the question is what sort of telltales did they pick up on that let them know this was a storm worth running from rather than just taking shelter?

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    10. Re:Great observational skills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't really think there's low pressure the day before, do you? Spare us your simple-minded know-it-all attitude.

    11. Re:Great observational skills by khallow · · Score: 1

      Guess what, humans are essentially the only ones who can't tell when bad weather is coming. Ask anyone who spends some time in nature rather than hiding in some office or school room.

      Humans aren't an exception either.

    12. Re:Great observational skills by khallow · · Score: 1

      I think the surprise was how far in advance they detected it.

      Or maybe the storm was well telegraphed.

    13. Re:Great observational skills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I lived in tornado alley and everyone knows when a big storm is coming. There are warning signs days in advance. As it gets closer it became crazy obvious if a big one is coming. I don't get your dig on nature vs offices and schools. Plenty of people who work in building are in tune with nature. Humans have no trouble telling when bad weather is coming. You just have trouble understanding humans.

    14. Re:Great observational skills by pitchpipe · · Score: 1

      Guess what, humans are essentially the only ones who can't tell when bad weather is coming.

      Conversely: humans are the only ones who can tell that not only is bad weather coming, but the probability of how much it will precipitate on a given area, and how long it will last and how high the winds will be, etc., etc., etc.

      We just don't do it with some built in internal sensor ... yet.

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    15. Re:Great observational skills by belthize · · Score: 1

      Good lord how is this modded insightful, it's the exact opposite of insightful unless what the modders are saying is the learned something about the OP's character.

      First off it's another one of these "I know nothing about the topic but am going to belittle the science" posts. Secondly low pressure has nothing to do with it. As the article stated there was no environmental changes (pressure, wind etc) at the nesting site the day before. The theory is the birds are sensitive to the very low frequency rumblings of tornadoes hundreds of miles away the day before the storm front arrived. Granted that's just a theory but nowhere does pressure gradient enter into it.

    16. Re:Great observational skills by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      [Animals are] FAR more accurate than any weather forecast I've seen.

      You see ants moving eggs, maybe it will rain in the next day or two, but how much rain? How much wind? Any hail, tornados? King tide?

      You see humans boarding up windows, sandbagging shops, anchoring boats away from the dock, etc, you know a destructive storm is on it's way.

      Weather forecasts are pretty accurate to 5 days out even here in Melbourne which (like NYC) is notoriously fickle, but you don't need doppler radar and a supercomputer to match the forecasting skill of ants. With a bit of practice mentally tracking wind direction, looking at clouds and feeling/smelling the (fresh) air will give you a fair idea of tomorrow's weather.

      Natural disasters happen to both species, by all reasonable standards humans are much better at predicting severe weather than animals since (at worst) we have the capacity to simultaneously observe many diverse species to make a statistically combined animal/plant forecast. Having said that, even the humble ants will have buried their dead and rebuilt their city in under a week.

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    17. Re:Great observational skills by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      psst - Mr IT and Joe Sixpack are the same person!

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    18. Re: Great observational skills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha accurate weather forecasting in Melbourne!

      Better forecasts with a coin flip.

    19. Re:Great observational skills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still wasn't good enough to sense it coming and get out of the way for all his hunting and fishing though.

    20. Re:Great observational skills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just proves even a bird is smarter than joe six pack average murican.

      Provably smarter than you too. You don't see birds posting stupid crap here like you did.

    21. Re:Great observational skills by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 1

      Wow, someone just now noticed that animals can easily detect incoming low pressure fronts and hide from the weather.

      Humans have many unique abilities too.

      We are the only ones with the gift to see in dark grey waves of clouds the furrowed brows of an angry gods, whom we anger further by murmuring profane incantations about dew point and pressure gradients. Only we gaze down from our satellites and perceive that the hurricane is looking back. In the magnificent gyres of natural phenomena we may discern an uncanny alien intelligence. We alone feel that it is scrutinizing us, judging us, finds us wanting. "We are naked in the dark. Sam, and there is no veil between us and the wheel of fire. We begin to see it even with our waking eyes, and all else fades..."

      We alone knock on wood to summon for its friendly assistance to combat invisible foes, and yet we are capable of perceiving that even that would never be enough. We are unique in the ability to summon demons from the underworld, the empty reaches of space, even a wry comment overheard on Thanksgiving.

      Animals fear the unknown, but we also fear the unknowable, as we seek to discover the limits of what can be known, that we may dwell on the unspeakable horror of the nether region where even the quest for knowledge abandons all hope. We soften up our children with bedtime stories of violence and dreadful danger, neglect and cannibalism, comfortable things with which all animals are familiar, then we go on to describe covalent bonds and antimatter, quantum mechanics and relativistic time dilation, that they become mired in seas of madness, to seek solace in Dragonball Z.

      Animals hide under a rock for practical reasons.
      I fear the rock itself. There is no place to hide.
      Join me, friend, let us dance in hysterical abandon,
      and infect the whole Universe with our neurosis.

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    22. Re:Great observational skills by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I'm sure it was. It's still interesting that they knew that far in advance and traveled that far. It shows how they detect incoming weather and adjust their behavior to it.

    23. Re:Great observational skills by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      You see humans boarding up windows, sandbagging shops, anchoring boats away from the dock, etc, you know a destructive storm is on it's way.

      Or that the weathermen are talking about one like it's going to be anyway. What I've noticed more and more lately is overstating of the damaging potential of a storm. Whether this is because they're worried about people holding them responsible for not giving accurate warning to danger, or to whip people up into a disaster-preparedness shopping spree I can't tell. All I know is the last several snowstorms that were predicted for my area either didn't happen at all or only gave a light dusting of accumulation. Nothing that serious warranted packing up a bunch of emergency supplies or getting worried.

    24. Re:Great observational skills by ToddInSF · · Score: 1

      You don't know that it was the low pressure, it could have been electrostatics, a response to something else or some other animals activity, or any number of potential things.

      You're assuming it was low pressure.

    25. Re:Great observational skills by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 1

      Nate Silver, in his book on prediction, notes that local weather forecasters pretty routinely intensify the bad news in their predictions. The know they'll catch less flak for crying wolf than they will for under-predicting calamity, and skew their forecasts accordingly.

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    26. Re:Great observational skills by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 1

      That also works when there are toddlers in the house.

      Kids of any age, actually. It's just a question of what type of mischief they are up to.

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    27. Re:Great observational skills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Demonstrated with this simple youtube video

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bksiiivwTLA

      It's the opening line...

  3. funny quote by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    "We evacuated ourselves to the waffle house"...entertaining reading for once.

    1. Re:funny quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then after eating there they had to do some more evacuating.

    2. Re:funny quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now we know the source of the wind...

    3. Re:funny quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "We evacuated ourselves to the waffle house"...entertaining reading for once.

      Except it's not funny ... FEMA grades storms on how the local Waffle House reacts http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffle_House_Index

    4. Re:funny quote by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      > "We evacuated ourselves to the waffle house"

      (Waffles arrive) "Ugh...they poured the blueberry 'syrup' all over them. Now I wish I had been killed by the tornado."

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  4. Just like people are fleeing slashdot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Taco could see what was coming and fled...

    1. Re:Just like people are fleeing slashdot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All the smart users left in 2000. Taco was a slow learner.

  5. 6th sense by Brad1138 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It has long been reported that animals act odd before earthquakes, I had never heard about before tornado's. Animals do seem to have some "6th sense" that we just don't understand.

    I had an idea over ten years ago, that I hoped could save lives and make me money, but I'll never do anything with it, so here it is:

    One animal acting strange (as in before an earth quake or whatever) is nothing, but a large number of animals in a specific area, could very possibly be a warning of impending danger. If there was a (well known) web site that you could report your animal acting "weird", or out of the ordinary to, you would have random reports from all over the place, but if you mapped results in real time and saw a lot of activity in a specific area, that could be an early warning. I don't see why it wouldn't work, assuming the "animals act weird before events" theory is correct.

    Anyway, if this works and saves lives, remember you heard it here first.

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    1. Re:6th sense by SternisheFan · · Score: 2
      Here's a gif of one dog sensing an earthquake...

      http://i.imgur.com/ptO7EoX.gif

    2. Re: 6th sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It does work. I keep golden winged woblers and have yet to be threatened by a tornado here in Los Angeles.

    3. Re:6th sense by koan · · Score: 1

      Animals do seem to have some "6th sense" that we just don't understand.

      It's not a sixth sense, they have to pay attention their lives depend on it.
      Humans can do the same thing if they are in tune to their environment, and of course if their environment is the wild not the city.
      The city invokes a singular set of sense, that of predator and victim.

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    4. Re:6th sense by Brad1138 · · Score: 2

      We had a large 6.8 earth quake in early 2001 in Washington state. Our neighbor and friend had a smallish (about 10-15 lb) dog. When you opened the front door, if she didn't have ahold of her dog, it would bolt for the door and do everything it could to squeeze through the gap and run free for hours. You would try to keep the door barely open, or put your leg in it, but her dog would always do everything it could to get by.

      The morning a few hours before the earth quake, she opened the front door and the dog wouldn't go near it. Your example is cool (thanks), but that isn't enough time to be helpful, if there was at least 15 to 30 minutes or so, of warning, then I think it could be useful.

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    5. Re:6th sense by Wycliffe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      One animal acting strange (as in before an earth quake or whatever) is nothing, but a large number of animals in a specific area, could very possibly be a warning of impending danger. If there was a (well known) web site that you could report your animal acting "weird", or out of the ordinary to, you would have random reports from all over the place, but if you mapped results in real time and saw a lot of activity in a specific area, that could be an early warning. I don't see why it wouldn't work, assuming the "animals act weird before events" theory is correct.
        Anyway, if this works and saves lives, remember you heard it here first.

      Requiring people to report it would probably be too slow. On the other hand, putting trackers on a couple hundred sparrows in
      every town and running it into a large neural net and training it based on actual tornados might get some decent results.
      It might be possible to create an actual "canary network" that could warn us much sooner in advance than we currently have
      for tornados. If the "canary network" actually worked, we could always move to "phase 2" where we tried to match it to
      pressure, inaudible sounds, etc... and create an electronic canary which would be easier to manage than live birds but
      using live birds until we figured out exactly how they did it wouldn't be too difficult.

    6. Re:6th sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Evidently fat guys can sense them too!

    7. Re:6th sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In this case the dog likely just felt the smaller P-waves that arrive slightly before the much larger S-waves. The humans likely felt the P-waves as well, but didn't have the same hair trigger the dog had. Cool video nevertheless.

    8. Re:6th sense by Immerman · · Score: 1

      >The city invokes a singular set of sense, that of predator and victim.

      And how exactly is that different than the state of predator and prey that basically characterizes all life on Earth, with the exception of a few very well defended non-predators?

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    9. Re:6th sense by koan · · Score: 1

      Predator and prey are the same species.

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    10. Re:6th sense by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Yep, he bolts from the swivel chair in the background a split second after the dog takes off. Hindsight is 20/20, but they would all have been safer just standing next to the big pillar.

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    11. Re:6th sense by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Cannibalism is hardly rare in nature.

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    12. Re:6th sense by koan · · Score: 1

      Rare enough, and generally it's eating the dead, newly born or lower life forms that do this.

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    13. Re:6th sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with your solution is that people could game the system. A group of friends could all submit false reports of animals acting weird and cause mayhem.

      Frequent contributor Bennet Hasleton would likely have a simple solution to this problem. It would involve polling a randomly selected subset of the animal-monitoring population, to see if they have observed any weird behavior in animals. It would be very unlikely for the group of ill-meaning friends to make up a substantial portion of the sample. Maybe we can get him to write a 20,000-word treatise on the subject, where he goes on and on about this idea, adds one or two more layers to the process, and then challenges everyone to find the flaws in his ideas.

    14. Re:6th sense by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Or someone they just fucked (by what standard do you call them "lower"? They've got a LOT more generations of evolution under their belt than you). Or an interloper from a neighboring group. Or, or, or....

      I mean even apes engage in near-cannibalism whenever possible (usually not the same species, but monkeys and other apes).

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    15. Re:6th sense by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      No, the fat guy was just coincidence, he had heard the lunch truck pull up.

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    16. Re:6th sense by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Given the energy travels through the earth faster than sound, I wonder what the hell kinds of sounds are generated by what earth micro-stresses arriving ahead of the main shockwaves.

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  6. So to prevent tornados... by tlambert · · Score: 1

    So to prevent tornados... all we actually need are a bunch of bird cages?

    1. Re:So to prevent tornados... by Livius · · Score: 1

      Predict - maybe. I don't think the birds could have prevented the tornadoes if they had tried.

    2. Re:So to prevent tornados... by tlambert · · Score: 2

      Predict - maybe. I don't think the birds could have prevented the tornadoes if they had tried.

      Get with the program: tornados come to places that birds aren't. Force the birds to stay, the tornados can't come to the area. African and European swallows would work equally well for this purpose. It's like magnets... :)

  7. Laugh by koan · · Score: 5, Informative

    This sort of thing makes me chuckle, I grew up around a forest (and a jungle too) and we could always tell when people (or predators) were coming into our area.
    The birds went silent or made their warning calls, the thing is you kind of learned those sounds (or lack of) subconsciously.
    As we got older we made the connection, but as kids when the birds went silent so did we, listening for what it was they heard or saw.

    There were a variety of other indicators for things like seasonal changes (ant nest activity etc) and we learned these things for our areas as well.
    So it's no surprise to anyone living near by or in the woods that animals can do this, that is if they pay attention.

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  8. Here's why it's nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. The birds left days before, so could not possibly have sensed the tornadoes themselves, which had not yet formed. They might have noticed bad weather coming, but the assertion in the story is much stronger than that.

    2. There's no mention of a baseline: this appears to have been the first time they used these methods, so there's no way to know this wasn't within the scope of normal behavior and/or a mistake in their interpretation of the data.

    Without more information this appears to be either really bad reporting or really bad research or both.

  9. Additive Noise Model by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 4, Funny

    According to the Additive Noise Model, the birds didn't avoid the storm. They caused it.

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  10. All those flapping wings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All those flapping wings caused the tornadoes.

    1. Re:All those flapping wings by B1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's like the butterfly effect but with birds!

    2. Re:All those flapping wings by Boronx · · Score: 2

      How do you know some butterfly didn't cause the birds to move?

  11. Skittish? by Gliscameria · · Score: 2

    Maybe birds are just super skittish and just run off whenever any weather event is on the way?

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  12. Wow... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

    ... there are humans that are not even that smart....

  13. light meters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the cool thing about light meters is that they can double as mini solar panels. or rather you can use a solar panel to measure sunlight (go figure), and therefore latitude and with a good RTC longitude.

  14. By Neruos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No shyt?

    Birds understand atmospheric pressure changes, they have a biological sensory organ that allows them to "feel" barometric pressure. This was discovered like 70 years ago? Why is it that when someone figures out something they think they are the first and it gets noticed boarded on the front page. /. has really started to go down hill.

    Oh did you know sand keeps your skin soft, we should post about that!

  15. Must have been bird Twitter. by MakersDirector · · Score: 2, Funny

    Must have been bird Twitter.

  16. I'll never forget the summer of '87 in Edmonton by mark-t · · Score: 1

    I was out mowing the lawn at my parents' place one day on a Wednesday afternoon in late July of that year, and the strangest thing happened to me that I had absolutely no explanation for at the time. I cannot describe the sensation any other way than to say that I was suddenly afraid of the sky. The weather seemed entirely fine by all appearances, with only a smattering of clouds in the sky, but all I wanted to do was just abandon the lawn mower right where it was and get inside. Of course, intellectually I knew it was absurd to be afraid of the sky, and I pushed aside the feelings and finished my task, but it was still the strangest sensation I think I had ever felt, and if mowing the lawn had required more concentration, I probably would not have been able to finish it on account of being so distracted

    Some 48 hours later or so, the largest tornado that had ever been seen in that area until that time ripped through the city, killing more than 2 dozen people, destroying several hundred homes, and doing hundreds of millions of dollars in damages. I remember when I was taking the bus the next day to where I worked at the time, I went by one of the areas where the tornado had touched down and the devastation was unlike anything I had ever seen in my life prior to that point.

    I often wondered since that event, however, if what I was interpreting as being "afraid of the sky" only a couple of days before was some sort of survival instinct that was trying to kick in... to get me out of harms way, even though I did not know exactly what that harm was. Certainly it would be no surprise to me at all if many animals might happen to possess something similar, and lacking the intellectual reasoning of a human who could discard such a sensation on a rational basis, as I did at the time, would instead surrender their actions to doing whatever those feelings are telling them to do, and get the bloody hell out of the area.

    1. Re:I'll never forget the summer of '87 in Edmonton by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      I moved to a subtropical area a decade ago, we get strange flash storms in November December most years, unlike what I'm used to. It can be perfectly hot and sunny 27 deg (80 for people still living in the dark ages), then suddenly solid black clouds, twilight conditions, thunder, lightning even hail, then 15 minutes later it's sunny again. It freaked me out the first couple of years, but you learn to pickup on it. I'm not sure exactly what the sensation is, but you feel it in the sky. Some sort of stillness, or ominous colour of light or something like it's about to get evil. If you were living a few thousand years ago it would certainly convince there was a super being up there controlling shit.

  17. this is new info??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This has been common knowledge for years, I was taught growing up to pay attention to the animals while in the wild... how is this even news????

  18. Climate change deniers by Tetetrasaurus · · Score: 1

    ...would have stayed in the nest, screaming that their friends' data was flawed and that the simulations needed to be improved before taking flight.

    Those denier birds stayed put while the rest left. When the rest came back, they divvied up the denier birds' seeds.

  19. Rainclouds Keep Forming Above My Head by FreeRadicalX · · Score: 1

    ~Why do birds suddenly flee in fear
    Every time tornadoes appear?~

  20. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Big surprise- creatures evolving to survive in their natural environment. Why isn't everything as stupid as a human being?

  21. Obviously, birds cause tornadoes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Duh!