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The Slow Death of Voice Mail

HughPickens.com writes: Duane D. Stanford reports at Bloomberg that Coca-Cola's Atlanta Headquarters is the latest big company to ditch its old-style voice mail, which requires users to push buttons to scroll through messages and listen to them one at a time. The change went into effect this month, and a standard outgoing message now throws up an electronic stiff arm, telling callers to try later or use "an alternative method" to contact the person. Techies have predicted the death of voice mail for years as smartphones co-opt much of the office work once performed by telephones and desktop computers. Younger employees who came of age texting while largely ignoring voice mail are bringing that habit into the workforce. "People north of 40 are schizophrenic about voice mail," says Michael Schrage. "People under 35 scarcely ever use it." Companies are increasingly combining telephone, e-mail, text and video systems into unified Internet-based systems that eliminate overlap. "Many people in many corporations simply don't have the time or desire to spend 25 minutes plowing through a stack of 15 to 25 voice mails at the end or beginning of the day," says Schrage.

In 2012, Vonage reported its year-over-year voicemail volumes dropped 8%. More revealing, the number of people bothering to retrieve those messages plummeted 14%. More and more personal and corporate voicemail boxes now warn callers that their messages are rarely retrieved and that they're better off sending emails or texts. "The truly productive have effectively abandoned voicemail, preferring to visually track who's called them on their mobiles," concludes Schrage. "A communications medium that was once essential has become as clunky and irrelevant as Microsoft DOS and carbon paper."

237 comments

  1. youmail by ganjadude · · Score: 3, Informative

    I use youmail for my VM provider. its great because I get texts if i want, transcripts if i want, emails if i want. I tend to stick with the emails (texts before my smart phone). I for the life of me cannot tell you the last time i actually listened to a VM, if i see you called, and i want to talk to you, i call you back.

    Im sure other companies offer the same features, i know google does but to this 29 year old, this is spot on information

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    1. Re:youmail by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 2

      I'm 39 years old and I have largely stopped listening to voice mail as well.

      I tell people that if they want to reach me, don't even bother calling, I largely ignore the phone as well, but I read and respond to texts and e-mails within minutes.

    2. Re:youmail by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      my father is in his 50s and is the same way

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    3. Re:youmail by mlts · · Score: 1

      I also like Youmail, for this exact reason, and the fact that it auto-ditches spammers and other junk calls (after the phone doesn't answer). Plus, it works with both iOS and Android, so if I feel like changing out my phone, I don't need to worry if visual voicemail with the telco will work or not.

      Reading a text is a lot faster than sitting through someone's long-winded speech and the time saved is worth the nominal charge.

    4. Re:youmail by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The trouble with voice mail is that it painstakingly offers almost all the vices of the other options and few of the virtues. All of the inaccessibility of voice (yeah, you could cut and paste part of a VM into your reply, with some effort; but that would be highly unusual...) without any of the conversational or interactive qualities. All of the one-side's-rambling-monologue of email; but without any of the easy access, search, categorization, exchange of information where formatting or spelling count (Who doesn't love resorting to NATO phonetic alphabet just to get a serial number across a phone line?).

      Then include the fact that most systems for retrieving them are so awful that somebody using an email client 25 years ago would assume that you were fucking with them, and it's just icing on the cake.

    5. Re:youmail by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      i forgot about that! Yes I cant tell you how many people think my number is disconnected. Its even better when i get repeat spammers I can save them in my phone under a funny or explicit name. When they call it will answer "hello dickweed, so and so is unavailable.... etc etc",

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    6. Re:youmail by tepples · · Score: 2

      if i see you called

      A lot of people who rely on voice mail don't pay the extra $8 per month for Caller ID.

      and i want to talk to you, i call you back.

      "Hello?"

      "Hi, this is Staisy, What's going on?"
      "I explained everything in the voice mail I left."

      What's the polite way to continue?

    7. Re:youmail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man...

    8. Re:youmail by _anomaly_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly this! If you've got voicemail, take the courtesy to listen to it before calling someone back. If someone has voicemail, I'm going to assume it's for a purpose: so I can leave information of lower importance, assuming you'll get it eventually. If you're going to break this social contract, and you can't be bothered to check your own voicemail before calling someone back, then disable your voicemail already!

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    9. Re:youmail by Cramer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      a) (lie) I didn't get your VM
      b) (truth) I haven't listened to your VM

      Maybe I'm old, but if I don't answer, leave a message. If it's not important enough for you to bother to say anything, it's not important enough for me to bother calling you back. And if you call my home number without leave a message, it may be weeks before I look at a phone and know anyone called. (with telemarketing bullshit, I rarely both looking at the call list unless the answering machine is flashing. [FTR, the phone on my desk is showing "110 missed calls"]) Calls to the cell (which goes to google voice for VM, which will *ding* on a dozen devices, get emailed to me, and transcribed to a text if Google can make any sense of it.) I'll notice in a day or two -- usually in the morning when I pick the phone up to go to work. [current count: 4 numbers I don't recognize] Texts I'll notice immediately if the phone's on me.

      Bottom line... if you called me but didn't (a) leave a message, (b) send a text, or (c) follow up with an email, then you really didn't need to speak to me, did you?

    10. Re:youmail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Sorry Staisy, I don't have time to listen to all that shit. Just tell me what you needed."

      I agree with ganjadude. If I see you called it tells me that you wanted to talk to me. If I want to talk to you back, I'll call you. There is no point in leaving a message. Well, most of the time anyway. But important information is best conveyed by text anyway.

      I also didn't know that you could have a phone without caller ID, but I ditched land lines over a decade ago.

      And amazing that another poster said 29 wasn't exactly a spring chicken. Shit. I'm nearly 50. What does that make me? Ready to put out to pasture? I have no doubt that there is some 70 year old out there reading my comment now and thinking what a young punk I am.

    11. Re:youmail by ebh · · Score: 1

      My work voice mail system is no different from the one I used 25 years ago. Even the menu trees only have one or two minor differences. Certainly no voice-to-text or anything like that.

    12. Re:youmail by tepples · · Score: 1

      I ditched land lines over a decade ago.

      My point is that others did not, and they still expect to be able to contact you at the number you publish. You can't text at all from a land line, and doing so from a flip phone is a pain.

    13. Re:youmail by trout007 · · Score: 1

      I changed my outgoing message to if you need a prompt response please e-mail me.

      I hate the phone and voice-mail at work. I want a record of every conversation.

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    14. Re:youmail by Greyfox · · Score: 3, Funny

      Obviously, say, "Oh, I'll go listen to that and call you back!" Then call back 10 minutes later and say "Oh hey! I accidentally deleted all my voicemails! Mind going over it again?"

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    15. Re:youmail by hodet · · Score: 1

      I hear ya. I get annoyed now when people leave voicemails. Even worse is someone who cold calls me with a million technical details about someone and wanting an answer. Please just email me the issues and that will give me time to research it a little before touching base with you. Or IM me with a heads up that you want to discuss something.

    16. Re: youmail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't sign any contract.

    17. Re:youmail by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1, Informative

      I'm over 50 and I block sms on my cellphone. more often than not, its junk/spam and I hate having my phone beep or vibrate only to find out it was not a call or email but some stupid texter.

      texting is for teenage girls. and I'm not that. nuff said.

      email me. email works. don't IM me! don't text me. just email me. we all know how to use email and email is much more spam-proof than voice (these days) or texting. and email is fast enough so that you don't really need IM (I never understood what the draw of IM was; seems like yet another client to have to install, secure and search for incoming messages).

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    18. Re:youmail by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Texting is no longer just for teenage girls, I hate to tell you...

      I finally found a car dealership that gets it, I was shopping for a new truck this year and one dealership on their web site had a third option, finally...

      How would you like us to contact you:
      1. Call
      2. E-mail
      3. Text

      I picked 3, and sure enough, they texted me and got back to me with answers to my questions without a long drawn out process. Short and sweet.

      After a few back and fourth texts about model and details and trade, they asked me what time I'd like to see the truck. I gave them my time, they brought it to my house and left it with me for a few hours while they took my older truck to have it appraised. They then texted me and asked if I was happy with their number, and if so, the F&I guy would come to my house to finish the deal.

      I never had to go to the dealership, ever. Not even for financing. All done at my kitchen table, no inconveniences for me.

      More car dealerships would do well to learn that model, many people my age and younger would prefer to buy a car or truck that way.

    19. Re:youmail by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      So had did text rather than email provide any real benefit? They are both text, except that email is tracable, ie records are kept if needed. And if you wanted information in short form, voice is much more information dense than short texts. Less chance for miscommunication.

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    20. Re:youmail by Euler · · Score: 1

      Text is becoming more widespread and seems to be the _only_ way to reach some people. It does give me a lot of hesitation as well. Even if it is being used more commonly, I can't see it replacing voice conversation outright. I think when companies put up a 'voicewall' making it impossible to talk to a live human they may be making a mistake. I don't typically leave a message if I call a customer support line, but I'd be pissed if I couldn't talk to a human to explain verbally a situation.

      Voicemail may be dying, and that doesn't bother me too much. I've never liked the overly pedantic voicemail greeting/outgoing messages that take 30 seconds to listen to all of the obsolete pointless options. I'm pretty sure everyone in this era knows to just start talking when you hear the beep. "Please leave a message for XXX. BEEEP." That would work for me. If I didn't get in touch with someone, all I want to do is to have them call me back or I will try again later. With caller ID, the voicemail is mostly pointless. The only useful information I need to convey is the urgency of the message, maybe a few words to frame the point of my calling.

      Nothing is worse than a three minute voicemail monolog trying to have a one-sided conversation with me with specific numbers and descriptions of things. Email is much better for that.

    21. Re:youmail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Options 1 and 2 would have worked just as well, if not better, as option 3.

      All that delivering to your house, taking your truck for appraisal, following up after and you not having to go to the dealership have absolutely nothing to do with you having communicated with them via text instead of by voice or email.

    22. Re:youmail by DexterIsADog · · Score: 1

      I use youmail for my VM provider. its great because I get texts if i want, transcripts if i want, emails if i want. I tend to stick with the emails (texts before my smart phone). I for the life of me cannot tell you the last time i actually listened to a VM, if i see you called, and i want to talk to you, i call you back.

      Im sure other companies offer the same features, i know google does but to this 29 year old, this is spot on information

      29? You aren't exactly a spring chicken...

      Yes he is. And I infer from your post I would consider you to be a fetus.

    23. Re:youmail by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 2

      Sorry, but I have to disagree. Our Asterisk system gives me caller, length of call, and time in an email immediately after. We had transcriptions enabled before, but they were terrible so I shut it off.

      I appreciate that the telephone can be more efficient for a 2-way dialogue, but it's modality kills me. I can't change trains of thought on a dime and still get things done. To me, the courteous action is to send an email, and follow with a text if it is actually urgent.

      Maybe if I got visual voicemail working for the office I could use it again, or if I could play the .wav or .gsm attachments on my iPhone i would feel differently, but right now it is a pain in the ass.

    24. Re:youmail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And some people do NOT understand just how annoying they are with their infinite-loop calls
      If I did not pick up five seconds ago, I will not pick up now, nor in 5 minutes. This is the worst if you are in the bathroom. But they cannot even picture that possibility.
      Worse yet, you can hear them ping back and forth between home and cellphone number, like you owe them something.
      Some days when you do not feel up to calling someone back, it is crazy how they rack up the single-day message count without getting the point.

    25. Re:youmail by waimate · · Score: 1

      After a few back and fourth texts .... the F&I guy would come to my house

      Mmmm... couple of things here: 1) learn how to spell; it will do wonders for your credibility, especially if you live by text, and 2) learn not to finance things unless you have an ethical imperative for financing companies to profit at your expense. Yes, I know everyone does it, but everyone are stoopid.

    26. Re:youmail by Kergan · · Score: 1

      Sadly, though, not all carriers offer to disable voice-mail.

    27. Re:youmail by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      I'll take 1.9% financing plus the rebate any day of the week... I have stocks that pay 5-6% dividends, why would I use cash to buy such a thing as a truck?

    28. Re:youmail by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Voice doesn't give me time to think of a reply, a phone call with a car salesman tends to be drawn out as they talk about random stuff that doesn't apply, such as "how are the wife and kids", when they don't really care.

      As for e-mail, it isn't instant the way texts are, it has a different feel.

    29. Re: youmail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who the hell charges you 8 bucks for caller ID?

    30. Re:youmail by Skylinux · · Score: 1

      What's the polite way to continue?

      I know this is a very tough problem but you could prevent this by turning the feature off.
      This is one of the first things I do when I get a new phone or switch providers.

      Voice mail off and caller ID on, done.

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    31. Re:youmail by Skylinux · · Score: 1

      Sadly, though, not all carriers offer to disable voice-mail.

      I have the same problem. My provider keeps torturing the shit out of me when I look at other service offerings. Wish there was something I could do to improve my service ... maybe I need to come up with a new word or action.

      How about "switch" .... sounds interesting.

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    32. Re:youmail by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      I don't see anything particularly impolite about the truth: "I saw your number on the voicemail and decided it would be faster to call you back right away instead of listening to it. So what's happening?"

      The *real* problem with not listening to the voicemail is if you get stuck playing phone tag. If there was useful information on that voice mail other than "Call me back" you're not going to learn it from the original caller's voice mail prompt.

    33. Re: youmail by tepples · · Score: 1

      Who the hell charges you 8 bucks for caller ID?

      This was the standard price for caller ID on a POTS line from Frontier Communications, the ILEC around here, if not bundled with any other "calling features".

    34. Re:youmail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As for e-mail, it isn't instant the way texts are, it has a different feel.

      You're using the wrong email client.

    35. Re:youmail by Festering+Leper · · Score: 1

      > I also didn't know that you could have a phone without caller ID

      Unless you use a VOIP line or a burner (pay-as-you-go) cell phone caller ID is always an extra for both landlines and cellphones. For cellphones it's often bundled with voicemail or some other feature so you'll usually end up getting it ... but, yes, it's very possible to get a smartphone with no caller ID or voicemail.

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    36. Re: youmail by Festering+Leper · · Score: 1

      Bell Canada - Call Display $10.95 /month (landline)
      Link (click on "full details". Yes they have bundles but not everyone wants that.)

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    37. Re:youmail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I went to a dealer & they said to check back in a month.
      In a month, I got an email asking how things were & to contact them if there was anything they could do. So I replied. And the next month. They just sent the standard thing.

      If they're going to use email, they should use it. Setting it up & never reponding is like getting a phone number, telling everyone about it and never answering.

      So I went to another dealer. My sales guy did email, cell, voice, etc and was always able to repond in a reasonable time. The other dealer got told that I went somewhere else and into the spam folder. If they ever read it, they'll learn they lost a big commision.

    38. Re:youmail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope - no way. Anyone leaving a voice mail probably doesn't know me and thinks calling me is a good idea (wrong) "Hold on, let me drop everything I'm doing and talk to you because you dialed 10 digits! If someone can't move forward on communication technology, they are probably too comfortable with the old, too challenged by the new, and not so relevant in the present. Transcribe voice mail? Isn't that siri after the fact? You can speak and transcribe both email and text with your phone.

  2. Gawd I hated it! by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not so much having to leave a message, but listening to the messages others left. And smartphones are worse, some giving you the date and time that the phone call was made before playing the message. It won't be missed.

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    1. Re:Gawd I hated it! by internerdj · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If voice mail is gone then people might expect me to answer my phone. I'd much rather deal with voice mail than having to talk to people on the phone when it isn't necessary.

    2. Re:Gawd I hated it! by AchilleTalon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, either way it's bad. When people are leaving messages, it is not rare you have to listen at them a half dozen times before you finally get correctly some critical information in it, like the name of the caller or the phone number which happen to not be the same as the caller id when you get one. There is still a ton of people around thinking leaving a message is some kind of race and you have nearly 10 seconds to tell about your whole life. I hate phones.

      I would like to see phone plans without talking minutes or an optional amount of minutes and a base rate for SMS/text. Currently, most plans include a fix amount of minutes and you have to buy minutes to which SMS are added. Why not the reverse? It would be much less expensive, I almost never talk over phone.

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    3. Re:Gawd I hated it! by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
      2 words: Call display. Answer those you want to talk to immediately.

      2 more words: Call history. Call back the rest when you want to. Or send them a text. Or an email.

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    4. Re:Gawd I hated it! by Rich0 · · Score: 2

      Yup. Anymore I check my voicemail maybe once every few months. I don't even look for the red light - I use an IP-phone software and I only fire up the software if webex isn't working or I need to call somebody who isn't on the work IM system.

      I don't mind talking to people on the phone at all - that makes perfect sense and I do it all the time. However, leaving messages is a waste of time for the recipient. When I get a message I have to sit there and take notes as they dump a train of thought lacking in important details.

      When you send somebody an email you're doing them the courtesy of pre-organizing your thoughts, double-checking what you send, and ensuring it has all the necessary detail.

      Oh, and when I get an email that says "please give me a call" you can imagine how fast I get back to them. Give me a problem and I'll get back to you with a solution and we'll both waste less time that way.

    5. Re:Gawd I hated it! by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're right! That's, um, the, uh, problem.

      "People north of 40 are schizophrenic about voice mail," says Michael Schrage.

      Bullshit. I'm old and I hate voice mail. No one knows how to leave a message and they're just going to follow up with an email or come see you in person anyway.

      If you're just going to leave a message that says "call me back" then send an email or a text or an IM. Or use the scheduling function in email to set up an appointment with me.

      The worst offender was a manager I worked with some years ago. He would do the stream-of-consciousness thing whenever he got voicemail and you'd end up with 10 sentences covering 10 different topics. Which I would then turn into 10 different email messages and send back to him.

      It's communication! It is NOT the same as talking. Just because you're talking does NOT mean you're communicating.

    6. Re:Gawd I hated it! by khasim · · Score: 3, Informative

      Voice mail etiquette.

      (speak slowly and distinctly here) Hi. This is (your name). My number is (your number).

      (speak normally here) Now state the situation as clearly as you can. But be brief. This is a message. Not exposition.

      End with repeating your name (slowly and clearly) and your phone number.

      Thank you.

      The easiest way to do this is to realize that you MIGHT run into voice mail before you pick up the phone. Go through the message in your head before dialing. This will cut down on the uh and um and huh and em and other noises.

    7. Re:Gawd I hated it! by Ksevio · · Score: 3

      And smartphones are worse, some giving you the date and time that the phone call was made before playing the message.

      That's not something specific to smartphones - that's something that comes from phone companies and voice mail (compared to answering machines of the past) in general. My smartphone has a voice mail app now that lets me just select the message and click "play" - a large improvement.

    8. Re:Gawd I hated it! by xaotikdesigns · · Score: 4, Funny
      Agreed. Voicemail wouldn't be so bad if people knew how to leave a good message.

      Of course, if my mom knew what voicemail etiquette was, I would probably have missed out on the most hilarious "I am surrounded by furbies and I have no idea what is going on, please call me" (that's the much abridged version) when she found her self downtown during the same weekend as the furry convention.

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    9. Re:Gawd I hated it! by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      Wish I had mod points for: Just because you're talking does NOT mean you're communicating.

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    10. Re:Gawd I hated it! by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      They aren't exactly advertized in the glossy consumer stuff section; but there are cellular providers that cater to embedded sensors, distributed system control, and that sort of thing, who will sell data-only, SMS-only, or data/SMS SIMs designed to be used by assorted sensors and traffic lights and things that need to swap bits but can't justify dedicated hardlines. Getting reasonable prices at quantity 1 might be tricky, though.

    11. Re:Gawd I hated it! by mlts · · Score: 1

      The worst of the lot are people who call and leave an urgent voicemail... then you call them back, and they are busy on the phone or not answering.

      Until recently (where I use a voice mail to text service so I don't have to wade through someone like the parent poster mentions who drones on 3-4 minutes about random stuff), I've just let the voice mailbox get full, and if someone wants an answer, they can text or E-mail, which they usually do. The most notorious are third tier headhunting places who will call and say they have a job requiring (as an example) five years of Swift programming experience [1], then will send an E-mail with those exact details.

      +1 on communication != talking. There is a difference between "spraying and praying" versus having a dialog.

      [1]: Yes, crazily enough, some places actually ask for five years of Swift for positions. Guess they want the Apple guys who designed the language or something along those lines.

    12. Re:Gawd I hated it! by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      I agree, and I generally prefer direct-to-voicemail over the traditional wait-through-4-rings. Sometimes I need to leave someone a quick note without having to interrupt what they are doing.

      Sure, I appreciate texting and I use it (very often when you include email, which is essentially the same communication concept). There are just situations that texting is much worse than leaving a quick voice message, such as while driving or using a crappy keyboard like on a game console.

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    13. Re:Gawd I hated it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or you just hang up without leaving a message and send a quick text indicating what the voicemail would have stated. It's rare that you really need more than 160 characters for that. If you do, then leaving a voicemail would have been a poor choice as well.

    14. Re:Gawd I hated it! by tepples · · Score: 1

      If you're just going to leave a message that says "call me back" then send an email or a text or an IM.

      Not all cellular devices and plans support e-mail or IM, and sending a text from a flip phone is painful even with T9.

    15. Re:Gawd I hated it! by Cramer · · Score: 2

      That's just people that don't know how to leave a message. It's not an in-person conversation. You have to slow down, speak up, and call out numbers slow enough that the listener can make sense of your ramblings and have time to write it down. In person, one can ask "what's that number again?" or ask you to "slow the f*** down!"

    16. Re:Gawd I hated it! by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Voice mail correction. Do not bother with the phone number, most voice mail services allow call back. A spoken phone number on voice mail is a real pain, requiring repeating of the message. So greeting and message only. I will eventually press keypad 6 once I remember to pick up my phone from the other end of the house.

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    17. Re:Gawd I hated it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not all cellular devices and plans support e-mail or IM, and sending a text from a flip phone is painful even with T9.

      Smartphones and smartphone plans are no longer expensive. You simply don't want to be able to do these things.

    18. Re:Gawd I hated it! by tepples · · Score: 1

      Smartphones and smartphone plans are no longer expensive.

      Since when, and in what country? My U.S. carrier quoted me $35 per month for a smartphone or $5 per month for a dumbphone.

    19. Re:Gawd I hated it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2 more words: Call history. Call back the rest when you want to. Or send them a text. Or an email.

      Ok, great, so I call back the other party when I am free, only they aren't answering now. Then later they call me, but again I am busy. So I call them back.. and they call me back, and... how is this a solution exactly?

      Text and email I'll grant you though, if such is available to both parties.

    20. Re: Gawd I hated it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Every tech post has to have a veiled insult directed at anybody over 25. It's a rule or something I think. Mostly done by people who generalize and have no idea what they're talking about.

    21. Re: Gawd I hated it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just to scratch my ego: I'm over 60 call-forwad
      my vz pre-pay to gvoice w/4 DID/SIPs (my devices #'s), plus it emails to a group acct on my mail server. for that # i get email and gvoice notifications if i choose not to answer the call.
      I usually return calls vis SMS (from cli), email, or via my ejabberd server.

      Course, I'm still programing and admin'ing and spend 8*hrs/day in front of >= 2 screens; so it
      goes ...

    22. Re:Gawd I hated it! by gsslay · · Score: 1

      "People north of 40 are schizophrenic about voice mail," says Michael Schrage.

      I don't even know what the hell that means. Wikipedia defines Schizophrenia as "characterized by abnormal social behavior and failure to recognize what is real." Is he saying that people over 40 think voice mail is a voice in their head?

    23. Re:Gawd I hated it! by Festering+Leper · · Score: 1

      >most voice mail services allow call back

      I've never seen one that does. Often times if someone's calling from a smaller provider, the voicemail states the number as "an outside caller". A lot of good that's going to do :/

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    24. Re:Gawd I hated it! by Festering+Leper · · Score: 0

      So, tell me again how I text a message to your company's phone number, extension 3007...?

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    25. Re:Gawd I hated it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL

    26. Re:Gawd I hated it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My company moved. I stopped checking voicemail after them move because it was better done in person or in email. And I didn't waste time replaying it. I didn't check voicemail for 2 years and told people about it. People stopped leaving voicemail eventually and there were no consequences. FWIW, I'm 48, not a millenial. Also, I've been doing email since 1990 (before www and before people could get personal email accounts on the internet).

    27. Re:Gawd I hated it! by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Interesting, voice mail callback must be a regional thing, sounds like you need to complain to your voice mail provider, it's really a common sense thing.

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    28. Re:Gawd I hated it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they're one of the phone companies that sells caller id separately for some reason, not listing the phone number as part of the message service would probably increase their caller id sales.

  3. Death of voice mail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Because text messages or even emails are vastly superior.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpDRdXUIKLI

    1. Re:Death of voice mail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I find it more convenient to leave a voice mail while I am driving than to send a text or Email while I am driving.
      Your mileage may vary... (pun intended)

      A good voicemail system can send that voice message as an Email attachment. It may even be able to do a voice-to-text conversion and provide it via either Email or Text message.

    2. Re:Death of voice mail by war4peace · · Score: 1

      This video contains content from Channel 4, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.

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    3. Re:Death of voice mail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about just stop fucking around with the phone while driving cars? Ya ever think of that? No, of course not. Because your phone call is so much more important than the lives of all the other drivers and families around you.

  4. Voicemail evolution by bhcompy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Proper voicemail systems are evolved.

    At work, my extension is tied into my email. When someone leaves me a message, it's sent as a wav file to my email, and I can listen to it from my mobile device. At home, Vonage gives me "visual voicemail", where my calls are transcribed and sent as an email, along with a wav file, to my personal email. On my cell phone, my phone, my provide provides the same service as Vonage. I don't need to pick up my phone at any location and press * or # or dial a special number to listen to my voicemail, instead it's delivered to me in an easy to consume format. This is proper voicemail. Arcane voicemail systems that require you to dial in and listen to a message will die, simply because they provide no convenience compared to newer alternatives, just like tape driven answer machines were driven out by remotely hosted voicemail services because of their superior featureset and accessibility.

    1. Re:Voicemail evolution by grimmjeeper · · Score: 1

      Proper voicemail systems are evolved.

      At work, my extension is tied into my email. When someone leaves me a message, it's sent as a wav file to my email, and I can listen to it from my mobile device.

      That's hardly evolved. You still have to listen to the idiot who is just calling to ask "did you get my email?"...

    2. Re:Voicemail evolution by sound+vision · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You have to deal with the idiot regardless of whether he's leaving a voice mail, a text, or another email.

    3. Re:Voicemail evolution by grimmjeeper · · Score: 1

      Not if he can't leave a voicemail. :D

    4. Re:Voicemail evolution by mlts · · Score: 1

      The best VM system I have seen was one tied to Exchange that not just sent the WAV attachment of the caller, but a transcript of their message. There was the old fashioned way of dialing in, punching in a PIN and grabbing messages, but having them ready to go in an E-mail and listenable on a device made things easy. I sure don't miss the old VM setups that required a person to listen to an entire message before being able to delete or do anything with it.

    5. Re:Voicemail evolution by war4peace · · Score: 1

      An idiot always finds a way to broadcast his lack of brain.

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    6. Re:Voicemail evolution by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Like a separate email asking if you got his first (with no indication of content).

    7. Re:Voicemail evolution by swillden · · Score: 1

      At work, my extension is tied into my email. When someone leaves me a message, it's sent as a wav file to my email, and I can listen to it from my mobile device.

      Where I work (Google), telephone calls are all but dead and voicemail is completely dead. Pretty much everyone lists their personal mobile number as their phone number in the directory (or a Google Voice number that forwards to their mobile), because getting business calls at home or whatever is a non-issue because no one makes phone calls for business. Communication is via e-mail (for formal communications, messages that don't seek quick response, or group distribution), instant message (for short, timely discussions) or face to face/video conference (Google Hangout). Some groups, especially SREs (Site Reliability Engineers -- sysadmins, more or less), also use IRC, mostly because it stays up when other stuff breaks.

      Further, the etiquette is that nearly all non-email communication starts with an instant message. This is true even if the other party is sitting right next to you, unless you can tell by looking that they aren't deeply focused on something. There are only two times a phone is used, one rare, the other extraordinarily rare, and in neither case would voicemail even be useful.

      The rare case is for a (generally informal) meeting when one party for some reason doesn't have access to Hangouts. The extraordinarily rare case is when something is on fire and someone's attention is needed at 2 AM Sunday morning. The latter has never happened to me, though I have called a couple of colleagues. Even then, a phone call is an unusual step; normally you wake people up via the pager system (whose messages are delivered via various means, sometimes including automated phone calls) and proceed to communicate via IM or VC.

      It's not just Google, either. Prior to Google I worked at IBM which where communication similarly revolved primarily around IM and e-mail, though meetings were primarily via teleconference, not video conference.

      From what I can see, voice is generally declining, and voicemail is leading the charge.

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    8. Re:Voicemail evolution by bhcompy · · Score: 1

      You obviously don't work with customers.

    9. Re:Voicemail evolution by swillden · · Score: 1

      You obviously don't work with customers.

      I do, actually. Well, they're more partners than customers, since we give them our code and they sell it. But, yes, I have a lot of meetings with outside parties. We convince about half of them to join our Hangouts from their laptops, the others we add to the meeting via phone. Outside of meetings, we communicate entirely via e-mail. Voicemail is still irrelevant.

      At IBM, my role was entirely customer-facing. Voicemail was still fairly rare, though teleconferences were the norm. Most communication was, again, via e-mail or face to face.

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  5. Ah, voice mail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    was once the cutting edge of computers, electronics, and business. Back when Silicon Valley was about actual products and innovation and providing good engineering jobs in the West....

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Oh well.

  6. Honestly, it's the form of access. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If you had it as part of a set of Emails that you could quickly discard or pull up based on a transcript like (Google Voice provides) or by caller ID/number, you would find it rather useful.

    Nuances on things for communication are lacking on the text side of things. It's easier to not make mistakes in communication via voice communications.

    So...I see the traditional form of it dying. I'll be working up a RasPBX setup on a Beaglebone Black in the next couple of days. I'll be tying the voicemail DB to the Email server so that each Extension's mailbox is in their personal mailbox on the server. Should be fairly useful. (We won't get into forensics when someone screws up (Bill collectors, that sort of thing. Without written permission with a signature, it's all a violation of the TCPA to call hospitals, pay services, etc.) however...voicemail systems DO have their uses still... >:-D)

  7. voicemail to email by fullmetal55 · · Score: 1

    My Cell transcribes all voicemail to text, my work and home voicemail forward a wav to my email... This is imo a much more efficient way to handle voicemail, rather than seeing the 100 "as a valued westjet customer you are awarded 1000 reward points please press 1" and having to listen to each one and delete each one, I can see oh yeah, skip, skip, skip, oh I was waiting to hear from that guy, lets see what he has to say.

    I log into my work voicemail once every 3-6 months to change the outgoing message to say i'm away... I usually have to change my voicemail password at that time too...

    Email is a much better way to get a hold of people these days.

    1. Re:voicemail to email by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      My Cell transcribes all voicemail to text

      let's set so double the killer delete select all

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    2. Re:voicemail to email by toejam13 · · Score: 1

      Voicemail to text is probably the best evolution of voicemail. Speech to text has gotten very good, so there is no reason that we can't have the system perform a S2T on a message, then sending that message as a text. Keep the original recording around in case the translation is wrong, but delete it once the text has been deleted.

    3. Re:voicemail to email by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      Speech to text has gotten very good

      Eh? I have yet to see a single case of it getting a single sentence transcribed correctly. And I mean this literally: a ten or so years ago we spent a few hours with friends playing with IBM ViaVoice trying to get a single sentence through, and failed. Recently, I tried Google Chrome's transcriber, with exactly as much luck.

      Usually the result of speech-to-text is some nonsense poetry that matches the general rhythm of what was said and possibly rhymes with it, but the similarities end there.

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    4. Re:voicemail to email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Especially while driving.

  8. Now, i don't feel so bad... by Black+Copter+Control · · Score: 1

    with a dozen old voicemails lying un-listened to on my cell phone. I'm an over-50, So I guess that i'm one of those who is schizophrenic about voicemail.

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  9. Old Guys? by Bigbutt · · Score: 2

    I've always hated talking on the phone and will ignore my red light on the phone for several days or even weeks. Heck, 95% of the time the "voice" message is *beeeeep* (a hangup vs leaving a message). As to the phone, probably half of the callers are from outside the company ("can I send you a white paper from symantec?"). I always prefer an email or text message at home and just email at work. I leave my IM off at work typically just because of the number of "drive by" IMs. If I bring IM up for a problem where I'm working with others, I'll have 4 or 5 other popups asking me about this or that.

    And I'm 57.

    [John]

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    1. Re:Old Guys? by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      oh the lights bother me, i disable notifications as soon as I get them, I want to see the light to let me know something is there, but once i know as much, i want the lights to stop

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    2. Re:Old Guys? by Nethead · · Score: 1

      I'm a few years south of 57 but I got lucky in my job, I get to admin the phone system. The first thing I did was disable my extension's VM. If it's that urgent, call my cell, if not send an email or put in a ticket.

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    3. Re:Old Guys? by Greyfox · · Score: 1
      I listen to the ones who are from someone I actually want to talk to, the rest of them I just delete. If I'm listening to them without the visual voicemail interface, I just hit 7 about 4 seconds into the voice mail, otherwise I look at the caller ID on the VVS and hit the delete button. My phone is not someone else's tool for forcing me to talk to them. I get 3-4 calls a day from very low quality technical recruiters. I get a call every couple of months from someone I might actually want to talk to.

      The only people who call me at work are IT people in response to online tickets. Then I get an E-mail from the phone system that they called me and I have to look them up and send them an E-Mail politely reminding them that, as I explained in my ticket, IT doesn't seem to be capable of installing a phone at my desk and that they're better off emailing me. Not to mention the fact that all my voicemails go to a null number and the size of that mailbox will eventually crash the corporate phone system. I also sit in a location they are incapable of finding or accessing if they do actually find it. I mostly just submit tickets for the comedy value, once or twice a week. I'm over 40, so I suppose they were probably talking about me.

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    4. Re:Old Guys? by Bigbutt · · Score: 1

      Sadly hitting 7 on my desk phone says "invalid option" and restarts the recording.

      [John]

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    5. Re:Old Guys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't listen to voicemail. At work it's been 2 years so far... And I'm 48.

  10. When was MS DOS ever a communications medium? by gatkinso · · Score: 2

    Serious question.

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    1. Re:When was MS DOS ever a communications medium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Procomm Plus FTW.

    2. Re:When was MS DOS ever a communications medium? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Telix, Grapevine BBS ... ascii art for "graphics". Kind of miss it.

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    3. Re:When was MS DOS ever a communications medium? by gatkinso · · Score: 1

      I was BBS fiend back in the day - i guess I just never really thought of DOS as the medium.

      I thought I missed it too - then I stood up a BBS on my C64 a few years ago for old times sake... found out that I didn't really miss it.

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    4. Re:When was MS DOS ever a communications medium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Terminate FTW.

  11. Good Decision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I invented voice mail, menu driven phone systems and script kiddies back in the 1980's. These are the least favorite of the things I created. Of course, if I hadn't someone else would have but I detest all three. I will be glad to see these die.

  12. Voicemail won't die by axlash · · Score: 2

    To be clear, as long as:
    - callers call callees;
    - callees are not available to pick up the phone;
    - callers want callees to know there and then why they called;
    voicemail is not going anywhere soon (although the means through which voicemail may be consumed might change).

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    1. Re:Voicemail won't die by grimmjeeper · · Score: 1

      Voicemail can still die, even with all of that.

      If the person doesn't answer, send a text or email. Problem solved without voicemail.

    2. Re:Voicemail won't die by axlash · · Score: 2

      Voicemail can still die, even with all of that.

      If the person doesn't answer, send a text or email. Problem solved without voicemail.

      What's more likely is the evolution of the transcription systems mentioned elsewhere in this thread, where the voicemail that the caller leaves is transcribed to text and sent as an email to the callee.

      That's certainly more convenient that having to drop the call and send a separate email.

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    3. Re:Voicemail won't die by sound+vision · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You don't always have an email or a cell number for the person/organization you're trying to contact. Voice mail doesn't require any contact info or line of communication beyond what was already used for the call.

    4. Re:Voicemail won't die by peragrin · · Score: 1

      Not really. IF I call and need answers but get your voice mail I hang up and send an email with all relevent information. If I don't get a response back then I will call again. However I do give an hour or two to hear back.

      Voicemail isn't nesscary. Now fax machines those aren't going anywhere until programmers can figure out group emails with only one person responding.

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    5. Re:Voicemail won't die by Pentium100 · · Score: 1

      Voicemail was never alive in my country.

      The reason is that my country was part of the USSR until its collapse and there were no answering machines or voicemail in the USSR (or just nobody used it). My first experience with voicemail was when I got my first cellphone ~16 years ago. It looked neat, but not much use. I did have it enabled for a while, but I have not received a single proper voice mail message yet (people either just disconnected and called me later or I got a recording of somebody being confused and asking "what the hell is this?").

    6. Re:Voicemail won't die by grimmjeeper · · Score: 0

      All the better to weed out the unwanted sales calls and so forth.

    7. Re:Voicemail won't die by tepples · · Score: 0

      If the person doesn't answer, send a text

      Have you tried sending a text on a flip phone? Or a land line?

      or email.

      And you end up waiting for hours for someone to get to a desk to compose and send the email.

    8. Re:Voicemail won't die by axlash · · Score: 1

      Not really. IF I call and need answers but get your voice mail I hang up and send an email with all relevent information. If I don't get a response back then I will call again. However I do give an hour or two to hear back.

      Voicemail isn't nesscary. Now fax machines those aren't going anywhere until programmers can figure out group emails with only one person responding.

      What if I don't know your email address, or I don't have access to a facility from which to email you?

      What might be more convenient is to have a transcription of my voicemail sent to you as text, though (assuming your number is a mobile number).

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    9. Re:Voicemail won't die by grimmjeeper · · Score: 1

      If the person doesn't answer, send a text

      Have you tried sending a text on a flip phone? Or a land line?

      That's what email is for.

      or email.

      And you end up waiting for hours for someone to get to a desk to compose and send the email.

      As opposed to waiting forever because no one bothers to check their voice mail any more?

    10. Re:Voicemail won't die by tepples · · Score: 0

      That's what email is for.

      Good luck sending e-mail when all the hotspots around you have locks on them and none are willing to give the password to a non-employee.

    11. Re:Voicemail won't die by grimmjeeper · · Score: 1

      We're well into the 21st century. Cell phones and computers come with the ability to connect to 4G networks.

    12. Re:Voicemail won't die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was hoping to see some kind of (visual) access to messages; allowing you to scroll through and delete unrecognized numbers; pick and/or replay essential ones; undelete records, etc but the failure of the system called caller id spelled doom for voice mail.

    13. Re:Voicemail won't die by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Only if you make the person leaving the message listen to a machine-reading of the transcribed message and then use T3 notation to edit the message win order to have it accepted will it ever work...

      I am starting to contemplate requiring unknown callers to validate their name, company, and direct phone number...

    14. Re:Voicemail won't die by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      But not when YOU need to get in contact with someone. Besides, I've never had a salesman leave a voice message. Hell, I have bill collectors calling me, even they quit leaving messages after a few weeks of being ignored.

    15. Re:Voicemail won't die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My town recently put in reverse 911. To leave a voicemail if school is canceled. Which *is* good.

      I wish I could opt out of it and get an email instead. But they've expanded it to non critical things too.

      And the dentist and Dr. leave notices about appointments.

  13. Term... by Nexzus · · Score: 3, Funny

    V-enema: The Act of rapidly going through your voice mail just to get rid of the icon/flashing light.

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  14. I use voicemail... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But I find that next to nobody ever leave a message.
    So, I ain't calling you back. If you can't be arsed to leave a simple message like "it's ****, call me back when you have the time", then I can't be arsed to call you either.

    1. Re:I use voicemail... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why leave a message when the only relevant message is "call me back". They already told you that by the "missed call" entry in your phone.

    2. Re:I use voicemail... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Caller ID is not seamless. The outbound Caller ID may be dropped as the call transits various telcos, doesn't show extensions, or may be the main business number instead of the direct dial number.

  15. Turned it off by spire3661 · · Score: 1

    I dont even have voice mail on my phone anymore. Anyone important enough will have multiple other ways of sending me a message.

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    1. Re:Turned it off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that you spire? It's Mom. You forgot to take your sandwiches to work.

      Lots of Love xxxxxxxxxxxx

  16. Good riddance to bad rubbish by grimmjeeper · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm old enough to remember when voice mail was a privilege and you had to get your superiors to give you access because you were special. Even back then I didn't want it. I hated having to sift through the menus to listen to some irrelevant crap that someone could just as easily put in an email. I politely declined when my supervisor asked. That is, until the new phone system was installed and everyone was given their own voicemail. I hated getting pestered by some IT flunky to clear out my inbox because it was using up limited space, otherwise I would have let my inbox fill up to the point where it would reject incoming messages. I wasn't high enough on the food chain at that point to be able to get them to remove my inbox entirely but I did know at least one senior staff engineer who was able to make that happen. Though later in my career, once hard drive space was cheap enough to have way more storage than you needed because you couldn't even buy a hard drive that was too small, I did just let the inbox fill up. And after leaving a job of 3.5 years, I did log in to clear out the messages and I had a whopping 13, about half of which were from family members who ended up calling my cell phone. The rest were people who were following up on emails they had sent within 1-2 minutes of calling me.

    So count me in the over 40 crowd that is happy to see voice mail going the way of the floppy disk. Good riddance. I look forward to not having to deal with it.

  17. One reason: Annoyance by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One reason for the death of voice mail is the change from convenience to annoyance imposed by the carriers.

    First you hear “Hi, it’s John Smith. Leave a message, and I’ll get back to you”. (5 seconds)

    And THEN you hear a 15-second canned carrier message "[Phone number] is not available right now. Please leave a detailed message after the tone. When you have finished recording, you may hang up, or press pound for more options. To leave a callback number, press 5.”

    That extra 15 seconds is annoying as hell to wait out, and it's only put there so that the carrier can use up metered minutes on an artificially scarce resource.

    Then when you go to *play* the message, you have to wait through the "First message, from, phone number xxx-xxx-xxxx, received at ".

    The old-style was much more convenient. Leave a message *beep* "Hi, this is your sister, please give me a call". Oftentimes 10 seconds *total* gets the point across.

    The new-style - not so much.

    Take the time wasted on each worthless recording (15 secs), multiply by the number of messages each year, and you get a *lot* of wasted man-years.

    Thanks, carriers! Your relentless pursuit of money has ruined a perfectly useful feature.

    1. Re:One reason: Annoyance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The old-style was much more convenient. Leave a message *beep* "Hi, this is your sister, please give me a call". Oftentimes 10 seconds *total* gets the point across.

      A call log gets that point across with no message at all. If someone calls me, I assume they wanted to talk to me. I don't need it spelled out.

    2. Re:One reason: Annoyance by HBI · · Score: 1

      They were convinced they were doing us a favor with those prompts, too. Idiots.

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    3. Re:One reason: Annoyance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe most carriers bill usage rounded up to the next minute. You aren't actually charged by the second.

      So you have 15 seconds to listen to the preamble, which leaves you 45 seconds to leave a message.

      Since you can get it done in under 10 seconds, I fail to see why you are complaining.

      But you are right about one thing - carriers have an interest in leaving the old voicemail as is so they can provide you with "Visual Voicemail" that delivers it right to an app on your phone or similar.

    4. Re:One reason: Annoyance by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 2

      Actually having it spelled out is useful, since they might have just called someone else after not getting you instead of leaving a message. If you're on a call list for example. Or if someone you know is just trying to reach *anyone* inside a house/office where any of 6 people could let them in / handle their problem. In those situations, a missed call with no corresponding message simply means "disregard, I've tried someone else".

    5. Re:One reason: Annoyance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if you are charged by the minute, any extra time increases the chances of you going over.

      As an aside, there is a service provided here where they will tell you the current time and temperature with a short ad before hand (a great benefit before widespread internet and the like). Once cell phones came around, so many people complained that the message is now EXACTLY 55 seconds long and it hangs up automatically, rather than staying on the line until you did.

    6. Re:One reason: Annoyance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So true. But I also think short texts have gotten us all used to shorter communication. For example, when I receive a VM, caller ID gives me the name and number. Nevertheless, the caller still repeats their name and number multiple times in the message. Yes, I already know who you are, and you most likely gave me your contact info months ago. I also find myself looking at the duration of call and thinking, "Oh God, how much rambling will I have to hear on this 1:41 VM???" I think VM should be short as is in "hey, call me!" If you want to spend time parsing out a detailed, nuanced message use something like email (yah, I know that email is on the outs too).

    7. Re:One reason: Annoyance by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      You don't have to wait through all that crap. Most voicemail systems have a key assigned to skip the header and jump straight to the message. It's always a different one, though, as far as I can tell. Next time you're at the main menu of your voice system, try listening through to the end of the options and choose the help one if it exists.

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    8. Re:One reason: Annoyance by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      you are forgetting the 30 seconds it took to connect to voicemail

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      have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
    9. Re:One reason: Annoyance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For example, when I receive a VM, caller ID gives me the name and number. Nevertheless, the caller still repeats their name and number multiple times in the message.

      I don't know who your carrier is. I don't know whether you are using a mobile device with a screen, some generic "business" phone with 20 buttons and an LCD that only displays the last number that dialed you, or (it's Christmas after all) forwarding calls to Mom's screenless analog POTS phone.

      I'll try to be quick - hi, this is AC, 555-1212, calling about X, call me back at 555-1212 - and the reason I repeat the digits is because (a) I might be on a shitty wireless phone that sounds like I'm talking underwater, (b) You might be on a shitty wireless network where everybody sounds like they're underwater, (c) the speech-to-text algorithm might be unable to understand it, and finally (d) if you're taking notes with dead-tree because you're in an office or at Mom's screenless audio-only analog phone, I don't want you to have to go through all the prompts *again* just because you didn't find the pen until halfway through the message. That's why AC called you about voicemail etiquette and failure modes, have a Merry Christmas, and call me at 555-1212.

    10. Re:One reason: Annoyance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I fail to see why you are defending it. I bet you're a VM tech aren't ya? The buggy whip makers are still down in the unemployment line. You guys can hang out sometime and swap stories of the good ol days.

    11. Re:One reason: Annoyance by eharvill · · Score: 1

      Agreed. My philosophy is if you don't leave a VM, your reason for calling is not very important and I will not call you back. This goes for work and personal calls.

      --
      At night I drink myself to sleep and pretend I don't care that you're not here with me
    12. Re:One reason: Annoyance by tepples · · Score: 1

      So you have 15 seconds to listen to the preamble, which leaves you 45 seconds to leave a message.

      Since you can get it done in under 10 seconds, I fail to see why you are complaining.

      Because you already spent 25 seconds waiting for the phone to ring (for which cellular providers charge, but not land line long distance providers), plus 7 listening to the greeting that the user recorded.

    13. Re:One reason: Annoyance by k6mfw · · Score: 1

      I must say: you posted exactly what I think of voicemail systems. I ***don't*** care about more options, I just wanna leave a message!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      --
      mfwright@batnet.com
    14. Re:One reason: Annoyance by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 1

      Sprint has the option where you can actually disable the generic part of the voicemail, and it only plays your recorded greeting. For a while I did that until I realized I didn't actually want people to leave messages, and a short greeting seemed to encourage message leaving.

  18. our CEO's vm got hacked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm the IT director for a 150-ish person company. our CEO's voicemail got hacked (greeting replaced w/rant from PO'd customer) b/c he'd never changed it from the default of his extension (which was set before they hired me). I was terrorfied of telling him but when I did he response was: "I have voicemail?!? why? delete it!"

    1. Re:our CEO's vm got hacked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'd have fired you for thinking "terrorfied" is a word.

    2. Re:our CEO's vm got hacked by hawguy · · Score: 1

      I'd have fired you for thinking "terrorfied" is a word.

      I think he's not the CTO, he's a helpdesk analyst, but it sounds more impressive to say he's a terrorfied CTO.

    3. Re:our CEO's vm got hacked by Provocateur · · Score: 1

      think it was speech-to-text that he tried, and 'terrorfied' was the result...

      --
      WARNING: Smartphones have side effects--most of them undocumented.
  19. Vonage Visual Voicemail is Full of Win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a Vonage customer I like the fact that I can setup my voice mail to be automatically transcribed and sent as an email. Easily 99% of the voice mails I get are accurately transcribed, or at least 'Good Enough'. My spouse has an unusual name that it always gets wrong but I can figure that mistake out from context pretty much all the time. In the rare case that the text is unintelligible, I get a sound file as an attachment that I can play back. This makes checking my voice mail take seconds per message and it happens as part of my checking my email.

    I would note that I never use the telephone to check my voice mail, so I probably look like one of those people that never even bother to retrieve those messages despite the fact that I do read them all.

  20. Radio is dead too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I suspect voicemail may fade but won't disappear, much like radio. It has improved and certainly can further. Sometimes voice is faster or better than text (longer messages), and frankly since most people in my company don't have a company smartphone, voicemail is pretty handy.

  21. Connect to email by gurps_npc · · Score: 2

    Not that hard to have your voicemail system automatically record an mp3 and email the file, listing the telephone number as the "from" address.

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    excitingthingstodo.blogspot.com
    1. Re:Connect to email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the free entertainment of calls-transcribed-into-gibberish emails.

    2. Re:Connect to email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd still have to listen to the recordings. (And that is assuming you have the skills and the opportunity to set this up: By far most people don't, if not because the former then because the latter).

      Personally I never leave a message, and I never turn on the feature so there's never any messages to listen to. Easy does it. People want to reach me can still try (sms) text, email*, or the old postcard in the mail. Actually, I should set up fax again so they can scribble a note and send it, that'll pop up in the old email box too and doesn't require listening to either. Phone, text, email, fax, snail mail, even courier. Plenty ways, no?

      * Iff they can do it properly lest their emails get ignored, anybody who knows me knows this too. No top-posting for you!

    3. Re:Connect to email by gurps_npc · · Score: 1
      As per the article, many people were ignoring the voicemails. Now they can ignore their emails.

      Or better yet, simply call the number that called them without bothering to listen to the email. Saves them the time and the person that left the message gets what they originally desired - personal contact.

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      excitingthingstodo.blogspot.com
    4. Re:Connect to email by Euler · · Score: 1

      Yes exactly. We have this strange concept that anyone in the world can call me, send me a text, IM me or include me in a long email thread. Worse is when they expect an immediate response, or think I should stay at my desk to keep replying to their IM messages. Maybe I'm too busy and my primary job function is not to deal with instant communication.

    5. Re:Connect to email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You wish. You're not Knuth, sorry.

    6. Re:Connect to email by Euler · · Score: 1

      I guess I'm pretty lucky then. Management where I work actively supports the concept of directing customers to the customer support department and to leave Engineering busy with their own work.

  22. It's the password protection kills it for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    O.K. if I WAS taking twenty calls a day yes, but the job I do I get maybe one call a month ? and password rollover of 30 days.

    Get real, takes over half an hour to reset the password so you can retrieve the mail, that's just not happening.

    I'm not unique in that either, it's not just the young you can't be bothered with the disfuctional POS.

  23. Hyperbole by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1

    Wasn't too long ago... 1990's... that everyone still bought a cassette tape based answering machine for their homes. (and if you had a dual cassette one with a separate tape for the greeting and the voicemail recording, that was da bomb)

    Well into the 2000's, people still bought flash memory-based answering machines for their homes.

    You'd have to be awfully young to not have used voicemail. Maybe the kids just starting college today.

    1. Re:Hyperbole by mlts · · Score: 1

      IIRC, answering machines have been around since the 1980s, where one would have to set a mode between record, then flip a dial to play... with a machine that had two tapes, one a special outgoing message tape configured in an endless loop with a metal foil piece joining the ends. Then the next generation of machines came around using micro cassettes and storing the outgoing message at the beginning of the tape. Then in the early to mid 1990s, flash based messages with multiple voice mail boxes so everyone in the family got their own blinking light. After a while, people just started using the VM product offered by the telco because it was less hassle than having a dedicated answering machine.

      All and all, voice mail isn't going anywhere. If it is a way for a company to leave their ads, there is no way that will be stopped in today's economy.

    2. Re:Hyperbole by hawguy · · Score: 1

      IIRC, answering machines have been around since the 1980s, where one would have to set a mode between record, then flip a dial to play... with a machine that had two tapes, one a special outgoing message tape configured in an endless loop with a metal foil piece joining the ends. Then the next generation of machines came around using micro cassettes and storing the outgoing message at the beginning of the tape. Then in the early to mid 1990s, flash based messages with multiple voice mail boxes so everyone in the family got their own blinking light. After a while, people just started using the VM product offered by the telco because it was less hassle than having a dedicated answering machine.

      All and all, voice mail isn't going anywhere. If it is a way for a company to leave their ads, there is no way that will be stopped in today's economy.

      I never understood why people used the telco voice mail since that removed one of the most valuable features of a home answering machine -- the ability to screen calls by listening to the message live. I couldn't afford to pay the $9.99/month and buy a $99 caller id display in those days.

      Google Voice lets you do that, you can choose to screen calls and listen to message the caller is leaving in real time and pick up if you want to. But now if I decide not to answer up the phone, I just wait for the transcript to come in to see if I want to return the call.
       

    3. Re:Hyperbole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Rockford Files with James Garner as Jim Rockford an answering machine using PI. I do not know how many of them were around but they were around in the 70s.

    4. Re:Hyperbole by Provocateur · · Score: 1

      All and all, voice mail isn't going anywhere. And it is up to us voice message-menu jedi, to show the young padawans how to press 4 to replay the message, and 9 to delete

      --
      WARNING: Smartphones have side effects--most of them undocumented.
  24. So True by WoodburyMan · · Score: 1

    We recently switched our 15 year old on premise PBX to a Cloud Provider for our ~100 lines across two locations. The new phones have red blinking Voicemail indicators, which the old ones did not. Never did I ever realize how many people just never checked their voicemail or missed call history.

  25. Hell, I'm damn near 50 by DougOtto · · Score: 3

    My VM box is like the Roach Motel; messages check in but they don't check out. I'm not even sure I remember my VM password.

    --
    Solving Unix problems since 1989...
  26. Work: Don't need it / Home: Still use it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For many years my outgoing message at work has been "I rarely check my voice mail. If you have my EMAIL address, please use it."

    I wish I could do the same at home, but too many callers don't have my EMAIL address, and I certainly wouldn't want to broadcast it.

    1. Re:Work: Don't need it / Home: Still use it by BradMajors · · Score: 1

      I did similar. My message was "please do not leave a message I rarely check my messages, instead do X". Did not work. People left messages anyway. I instead I turned off voicemail and now they do not hear any instructions on how to leave me a message.

  27. I use VM primary in two ways by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 2

    1. Triage calls for call back. If they won't leave a VM on my cell it is generally not a serious issue requiring immediate attention

    2. To tell people they have reached the wrong number and the person they want to reach is at extension xxx. I use that at a client site because a PM has the same last name as I do since I get calls for him by accident on occasion. This message at least lets callers know they have reached the wrong person so they know to call back and dial the correct extension; which I give in my VM. I do get the occasional idiot who insists they dialed the correct extension, and says so in their VM, and leaves a request for information they need RIGHT NOW. Since I am rarely in my office and all my clients have my cell # anyway those requests generally never get answered. I assume they call back and actually dial the right extension when they do not hear back from the person they thought they left a message.

    --
    I'm a consultant - I convert gibberish into cash-flow.
  28. dumped my cell phone provider by szmccauley · · Score: 1

    I recently dumped my cell phone provider becaues they wouldn't disable my voicemail, that used to be disabled until they "upgraded" my service. Voice mail wouldn't be so bad with a web interface, but I could only get messages through that annoying phone interface. I've always viewed voicemail as one technological step past fax machines. Disclosure: 64 year old computer professional

    1. Re:dumped my cell phone provider by NJRoadfan · · Score: 1

      Voice mail wouldn't be so bad with a web interface, but I could only get messages through that annoying phone interface.l

      Because they want to sell you that feature as "visual voice mail" for $2.99 a month. Who actually wants to spend money on voice mail?

  29. Still Needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I do not use my cell for work. That number is not available. I have a live secretary and voice mail. E-mail of course. If you want to talk to me, leave a message. If you want to leave a note for me to phone you that works as well. Send an e-mail and ask me to phone you. It all works. There is no question that not having the ability to leave a voice message is unacceptable. And for all those posters above, who respond to electronic messages and ignore your voice-mails, I hope your employer doesn't know. If you don't take care of your customer, someone else will.

    1. Re:Still Needed by PPH · · Score: 1

      I have a live secretary

      Reminds me of the story about the bigshot who was sitting in his office, shooting the bull with a client. Figuring he'd impress this guy, he reached over and hit the button for the intercom to his secretary in he outer office. "Get my broker on the line, hon'." She replied, "Which one is that, sir? Stock or pawn?"

      --
      Have gnu, will travel.
  30. VMs advantage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah, but VM has a big advantage. Let callers you don't want to talk with go to VM and then ignore it. Hopefully, they're never call again. Without VM, you either have to answer or they keep calling back.

  31. Transcribed voicemail by BrookHarty · · Score: 1

    Both my google voice mail and tmo voice mail transcribes into text, and I can delete or hear it with only press. Go ahead and leave me a voice mail! Only problem is most carriers charge for "visual voicemail" services... That should be the thing to attract people, after using transcribed voice mail services, you never ever ever want to go back.

    I can read my voicemail in meeting, its great.

    If I was a phone system vendor id be adding transcription, make those IP phones display the voicemail, etc.
    Even asterisk and freepbx can do transcription.

    1. Re:Transcribed voicemail by Fishbone · · Score: 1

      I'd be okay with transcribed voicemail, but even "good" ones are still incredibly shitty at it. For instance, here's an ACTUAL transcribed message from a recent voicemail:

      "Armed already reported it. Gilbert Fairchild, The. Sex describe this 3 black males in her to use two had tons already reported that your birth. Fairchild, the sexist drive this 3 black mqales in her to use. Yeah for more information."

      That's Google Voice. So I end up having to listen to the message anyway. Transcription has a looooooong way to go before it becomes anything more than something to laugh at.

  32. Not going anywhere, just like faxing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just like faxing, voice messaging will never die. I will continue to have to maintain legacy voice mail servers just like I have to manage POTS lines to provide analog dial tones to fax machines.

    There will always be some manager who clings to the technology that will yell at, or threaten the jobs of younger people who do not want to use voice mail. These same managers will force people into using voice mail the traditional way so leaving a greeting like "just hang up and send an email instead" will not please them either, not that I have first hand experience with this one.

  33. I love VM because I don't answer my phone. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I set VM to pickup on the second ring.
    I almost never answer the phone at home unless I'm expecting mom to call at that time.
    And no, I don't have caller ID because I'm not getting up to go look at the phone either.
    I estimate that 90% of the calls I get at home hangup if they go to VM, so that's good too.

    At work, VM goes into a wav file that goes to email.
    So I don't answer the phone at work either unless the caller outranks me in my chain-of-command, which is two people.
    Anyone else that wants to talk to me at work just hollers down the hall. My door is always open.

    1. Re:I love VM because I don't answer my phone. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same AC. And I love to leave 5-minute rambling VMs for someone that I don't want to help while I know they are in a meeting.

  34. voice mail what?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been trying to get my voice mail greeting changed to just a greeting and no ability to leave a message. Just email or text me....that's what I want...

  35. I call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We still use DOS, FAXs, Phones. Many companies don't care about trendy but which is most reliable, and rate of adoption isn't the metric. But, does it work?

  36. Leave a message by msobkow · · Score: 1

    Damned if I'm going to buy a smell phone and pay for a plan just so you can interrupt my life anywhere, anytime instead of leaving a message on my land line.

    --
    I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
    1. Re:Leave a message by tepples · · Score: 1

      I think the idea is that you "buy a smell phone and pay for a plan" and then cancel your land line because a cell phone has become cheaper.

    2. Re:Leave a message by msobkow · · Score: 1

      Land line: $25/mo.

      Cell phone: $60/mo, plus the cost of a phone.

      We're not there yet. And cell phone call quality sucks.

      --
      I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
    3. Re:Leave a message by tepples · · Score: 1

      Land line: $25/mo.

      Depends on where you live, what taxes and unfunded mandate compliance costs they tack on, how much your long distance carrier charges, etc. Plus the cost of a phone.

      Cell phone: $60/mo, plus the cost of a phone.

      True of smartphone service. Dumbphone service can be far cheaper, depending on how long you spend on the phone every month.

  37. Business tool, ignore at your own peril by bferrell · · Score: 1

    Sorry "youngsters". Arrogantly ignore business tools at your own peril. I'm personally acquainted with someone who ignored their voice mail for several days and missed job interviews. Not cool at best.

  38. voicemail not obsolete by BradMajors · · Score: 1

    Voicemail is not obsolete. What is obsolete is coca-cola's telephone system.

    Their voicemail would be more widely used if Coca-Cola upgraded their phone system so that: voicemail can be forwarded as email, voicemail can be automatically transcribed and emailed, voicemail can be forwarded to cell phones, their phones were able to receive and send SMS messages, etc.

  39. Yea- ok- NO. 30 here and it's not dead. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's suppose to be hip, young, and cool just isn't reality. It's a fad at best. There are two groups of people who don't use voice mail. The arrogant who think everybody should cater to them and the elderly who aren't able to figure it out. The same can essentially be applied to email. If you don't check your email and voice mail regularly your just an arrogant prick who thinks everybody else's time is worthless. I shouldn't have to try a dozen communications methods to get in touch with you. I get it if an email was lost, a voice mail was accidentally deleted, etc. Fine. I can handle sending a 2nd message. I can't deal with those who are just responsible ass holes.

    And you don't have to be a poor, over 40, etc to take issue with having to pay extraordinary fees for texting. Not everybody has it. It's not a mainstream communications method no matter how many in a particular age group rely on it.

    Facebook(which apparently has been reported as dead too now by the 'hip cool younger' generation, or at least, those reporting it), instant messaging, twitter, and for those a bit older Geocities, MySpace, Aim, MSN, Skype, etc. are FADS. So are tablets/smartphones. Laptops, desktops, etc are here to stay and I can't think of a single person who has a tablet or smartphone and doesn't have a laptop/desktop of some sort.

    The post office isn't dead either. There are just certain entities that want you to think its dead so it can be sold off, raise prices, etc so some very rich folks can cash in on it. In fact we rely on the post office now more than ever.

  40. One reason: Annoyance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not opposed to voicemail, just the way it's implemented (as your post suggests).

    If I could access it through some sort of visual interface, that was faster, I'd have no problems listening to audio recordings. Sometimes it's more convenient for both parties. I think the voicemails I usually get are more urgent anyway--the sorts of things it would be difficult to text, and not enough time or something to email.

    I don't really usually leave them, and get irritated by them, but it's not the message usually, it's the way I have to access it. I don't know why we equate an entire system with a bad implementation.

  41. Pay-per-minute line by tepples · · Score: 1

    There is still a ton of people around thinking leaving a message is some kind of race and you have nearly 10 seconds to tell about your whole life.

    That's probably because they're calling you on a pay-per-minute line and want to finish their message as fast as they reasonably can in order not to be billed for a second minute. Land line providers charge extra for long distance. Cell phones have free long distance, but less expensive plans charge per minute for airtime. Finally, international calls are expensive on pretty much any popular provider. This is made even worse by the lengthy instructions that many carriers append to the greeeting: "At the tone, please record your message. When you're finished recording, you may hang up or press 1 for more options. To leave a callback number, press 5."

    I would like to see phone plans without talking minutes and a base rate for SMS/text

    Pay as you go plans are like that. Or try Ting, a Sprint MVNO operated by Tucows that separates talk, text, and data billing into three independent bins. But good luck sending text messages to or from a land line.

    1. Re:Pay-per-minute line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, if you use Ting and send a text to a landline, the landline number gets a call with the text read to them and has a chance to reply. I have never tried replying, though.

    2. Re:Pay-per-minute line by ebh · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that a lot of old answering machines would cut you off without warning after something like 30 seconds. People got used to talking quickly.

    3. Re:Pay-per-minute line by Smauler · · Score: 2

      Land line providers charge extra for long distance.

      This is one of the biggest differences between the US and most other places in the world. I'm 36, from the UK, and remember long distance charges on landlines, but only just. Now just about all national calls from a landline are essentially free.

      Calling mobiles from landlines used to be horrendously expensive (almost 50p a minute IIRC). This is how mobile companies made a whole load of their money - charging others to phone them. Now it's a little better, but the mobile companies still massively profit from calls from landlines.

      International landline calls used to be expensive... now they're cheap. It's cheaper to call Australia from your landline than it is to call the mobile next to you in the UK in most cases.

      Finding out the exact charges is difficult.

    4. Re:Pay-per-minute line by CycleMan · · Score: 1, Funny

      Land line providers charge extra for long distance.

      This is one of the biggest differences between the US and most other places in the world. I'm 36, from the UK, and remember long distance charges on landlines, but only just. Now just about all national calls from a landline are essentially free.

      That's partly because the UK is less than the size of one US state, Oregon, whose population is under 4 million persons. You pack more than twice that many persons in London alone. When we say long distance, we mean long distance.

      To your credit, when you say "a long time ago," you mean a long time ago.

    5. Re:Pay-per-minute line by Smauler · · Score: 1

      Yes.... I know that. I also know that both London and Yorkshire have a higher population than Scotland. However, this doesn't explain why it is often cheaper to phone Australia than it is to phone anyone on a mobile.

      The distance between England and Australia is close to as big as it gets on the earth.

  42. Spoofing by PPH · · Score: 1

    It's more difficult to spoof voicemail than e-mail or text messages. Particularly if you know the sender. And generated spam robo calls aren't very convincing. So I'm going to trust voicemail a bit more than a text based message.

    --
    Have gnu, will travel.
  43. Mobile e-mail requires a mobile data plan by tepples · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When you send somebody an email you're doing them the courtesy of pre-organizing your thoughts

    Not everybody pays for a $500 per year smartphone plan. For example, sometimes it might be hours before I can get to an open Wi-Fi connection through which to send an e-mail from my laptop, but I can leave a voice mail from my $80/year flip phone. What would be the most polite way for someone like me to call you?

    1. Re: Mobile e-mail requires a mobile data plan by Dzimas · · Score: 1

      There's no need to waste $500/year on data. I pay under $25/month for cell service including a few hundred mb of data. Most of the day, I'm within WiFi range and don't need to rely on cellular data at all.

    2. Re: Mobile e-mail requires a mobile data plan by tepples · · Score: 1

      I pay under $25/month for cell service including a few hundred mb of data.

      Which carrier in which country is getting your $300 per year?

      Most of the day, I'm within WiFi range

      That might be the case for someone who drives. But I spend at least an hour a day if not more riding public transit to work and back, and the buses here lack Wi-Fi.

    3. Re: Mobile e-mail requires a mobile data plan by theskipper · · Score: 1

      Re: $300, it really depends on your overall blend of cell usage. I've used Ting's pay as you go service for a couple years and do the same thing the op does, turn on $3/100MB mobile data for email on my S3 when I'm traveling. They're a Sprint MVNO, so coverage is predictable by looking at the Sprint maps.

      Bottom line is that if all three parts of your voice/text/data usage are low, then $25/mo is not only doable, it's actually a little high.

    4. Re:Mobile e-mail requires a mobile data plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fine, be left behind.

    5. Re:Mobile e-mail requires a mobile data plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The most polite way? Either wait until you can send an email or do like everyone else and pay $500 per year for a smart phone plan. Being cheap is no excuse for annoying people.

    6. Re:Mobile e-mail requires a mobile data plan by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      They can just send a letter. Last time I checked you didn't need a plan to do that.

  44. Transcription by The+Raven · · Score: 1

    Google Voice's transcription feature has changed me from 'never bothering' to always getting my voicemail. I'm very happy with it. And Voice does allow you to reduce or eliminate the call in delays, which I also like.

    --
    "I will trust Google to 'do no evil' until the founders no longer run it." Hello Alphabet.
  45. You don't like voicemail? - boo fucking hoo by WaffleMonster · · Score: 0

    1. Nobody "likes" voicemail. It isn't the point.
    I'm a customer of yours and I call you expecting to speak with you.... I've already wasted my time with your IVR and now your not there... you bet I'm going to bleepin leave a message AND expect callback. Fuck you if you don't like it...perhaps you would enjoy having no customers or being unemployed better.

    2. VM is the most efficient way to get spam callers out of your face. They know if they are transferred to voice mail there is no hope of getting a callback so 9 out of 10 times they just hang up and save you the trouble.

    What really irks me about our "modern" world is the often stunning lack of ability to effectively communicate. Everything out there is shit...

    Telephones used to be better until everyone started using Internet gateways to bypass LD/international rates... between the heavy accents, packet loss and latency your lucky if your able to understand a single word out of any given spoken sentence.

    Email would be awesome if it at least tried to be secure and there was at least some vague assurance when you clicked 'send' your message would not be randomly disappeared by a rogue bayesian algorithm no human understands.

    Mobile SMS is too slow, unstructured and interrupt driven to be a viable alternative.

    What we are left with to fill gaps are one-off piecemeal solutions we must expect to not be common to any given pair of communication partners.... so much for "progress"....

    1. Re:You don't like voicemail? - boo fucking hoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a customer of yours and I call you expecting to speak with you.... I've already wasted my time with your IVR and now your not there... you bet I'm going to bleepin leave a message AND expect callback. Fuck you if you don't like it...perhaps you would enjoy having no customers or being unemployed better.

      haha, oh fuck off, you piece of shit. I'm busy doing actual work instead of answering the phone and giving a status update to some managerial jackoff whose only job role seems to be to poke hornets nests with sticks and scream about how bad the world is.

      Just send an email with useful details instead and wait in line. It's not like you're my only customer.

      And if you don't have my email address... well then there's a reason for that, and voicemail isn't the answer.

    2. Re:You don't like voicemail? - boo fucking hoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess you don't work in a regulated sector such as education, financial, or health where it is against the law to send an email containing personally identifiable information. That limits communication to phone, fax, "encrypted email" aka web mail, and limited usage of voice mail e.g. you can leave a voice mail with your health care provider but they can only leave a generic voice mail for you.

    3. Re:You don't like voicemail? - boo fucking hoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm with you. I rather have a 5 minute conversation on the phone than send a dozen emails or texts back and forth over the next twenty minutes or so to explain my problem or hear what your problem is.

      My sister does this extensively, sending my dozens of emails over the course of 30 minutes to convey information that she could have told me in 10 minutes or less by speaking on the phone. This new fangled technology is wasting more of your time than you think.

    4. Re:You don't like voicemail? - boo fucking hoo by porges · · Score: 1

      2. VM is the most efficient way to get spam callers out of your face. They know if they are transferred to voice mail there is no hope of getting a callback so 9 out of 10 times they just hang up and save you the trouble.

      Not the ones I get. Their auto-thing knows that VM is picking up, so it marks it as a failure, and they call twice a day for months.

    5. Re:You don't like voicemail? - boo fucking hoo by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      Not the ones I get. Their auto-thing knows that VM is picking up, so it marks it as a failure, and they call twice a day for months.

      Sorry if I gave the wrong impression. My comment was made with assumption of a business environment where calls are answered by IVR / secretary.

      When incoming calls go direct to VM there is no pain for caller in having a computer try again forever - your certainly right.

  46. Voice Mail Death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Comical article. The only reason that an article like this is written is due to the ignorance of the technology. Voice Mail is never used as a single message medium in advanced comm systems. It is a single entity in Unified Communications that all current equipment supports in addition to social media aggregation. Voice mail is a valuable component of messaging that will only die to those that are uninformed.

  47. ring ring ring by senatorpjt · · Score: 1

    If I don't have voice mail, who is going to answer the phone? I don't want to sit there listening to it ring all day.

  48. Carriers charging $8/mo extra for caller ID by tepples · · Score: 1

    A call log gets that point across with no message at all.

    There are still carriers that charge $100 per year extra for a call log. And these carriers still have customers.

  49. Land line users without caller ID by tepples · · Score: 1

    Why leave a message when the only relevant message is "call me back". They already told you that by the "missed call" entry in your phone.

    Because calling a land line doesn't always leave a "missed call" entry. Caller ID costs $100 per year extra on my home town's ILEC.

  50. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For as many anti-social people there are in IT I thought the /. crowd would be fans of voicemail. Keeps my email inbox clean as well. I don't like talking on the phone, so most of the time voicemail gets my calls and I do followup in person or via email. Guess I'm one of the only ones that likes voicemail.

    1. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are two of us. I am of the 'I'll answer the phone later; I'm with someone now' kind

  51. Okay, I'm officially tired by OhSoLaMeow · · Score: 1

    I read the headline as "The Slow Voice of Darth Maul".

    Time to stop reading /. and get out of the office.

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    They can take my LifeAlert pendant when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
  52. People who own only smartphones and tablets by tepples · · Score: 1

    [Instant messaging services] So are tablets/smartphones. Laptops, desktops, etc are here to stay and I can't think of a single person who has a tablet or smartphone and doesn't have a laptop/desktop of some sort.

    I can. For example, see this comment from someone complaining that he can't provide a environment in which his children can learn to program because all he has are tablets.

  53. "People north of 40 are schizophrenic about voice mail," says Michael Schrage.

    "Schizophrenic"? Meaning ... what?

    They hear voicemail messages that aren't there?

    The voicemail commands them to kill the dog?

    May I introduce you to another ancient technology called a "dictionary" ...

    1. Re:Wha? by Mean+Variance · · Score: 1

      I was going to post about that line and decided to check if my sentiment was covered. Spot on. Wrong metaphor, but not the first time.

      As a 45 year old, perhaps I'm ... ambivalent, not schizo. I think that's the correct word. I prefer text and email for short communication or to set up a phone call when needed. I don't freak out or ignore if someone at work or someone I know personally leaves a voicemail.

      I prefer to be flexible and adapt to what makes others comfortable. I have other shit to get stressed about like digesting the onslaught of JavaScript frameworks we've decided to simultaneously adopt at work. Interesting, but stressful. Voicemail? Not stressful.

  54. While ironically ... by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    ... every other technology, from your car to your toaster, must now speak aloud to you.

  55. Half a grand by tepples · · Score: 0

    the ability to connect to 4G networks

    For an extra $500 per year on top of what you already pay for Internet at home. And no, you can't cancel your Internet at home and just use the 4G if you use any sort of video on demand (Hulu, Amazon, Netflix, YouTube, or even just ads on web pages nowadays) because of the single digit GB/mo cap.

  56. transcript by gillbates · · Score: 1

    I'm hi it's me I'm just well I thought that I would give you a call because I'm we we kind of need to talk well first of all I should say that I don't normally do this but I thought that perhaps I could call you back and talk to you sometime...

    5 minutes later...

    (Typing) yes, I read your email, and if you had bothered to check yours, you'd know I've already addressed your concerns in the reply.

    Good riddance.

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  57. Voicemail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I still listen to voicemail on my Vonage phone. Doctors office leaves messages when I am not home. No, I don't have a cell phone.

  58. I accidentally my voicemails by tepples · · Score: 1

    Oh hey! I accidentally ... my voicemails

    I think that's the third time you've made that excuse. You really need to get that fixed. Perhaps after I finish explaining everything again, we can schedule a date to go into the cell phone shop.

  59. Is the power back on? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The main use I've found for an answering machine is I'll leave home and go to the movies or something when the power goes out. I call home and if the answering machine picks up, I know the power is back on!

  60. Voice mail is a complete waste of time by erp_consultant · · Score: 1

    If I had a dollar for every time I played "phone tag" with someone...well, you get the idea. If someone wants to get a hold of me then send me a text or an IM. Just tell me briefly what you need and I'll get back with you as soon as I'm available. Depending on what you need we might even be able to accomplish it without a phone call at all. If it requires a phone call then tell me when to call and we can avoid VM altogether.

  61. Landline by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

    My landline doesn't have text - how are you going to get my information or money for your service?

    From what I see in the responses - If I don't have text, than the place you work for is useless to me.

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    1. Re:Landline by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      My landline doesn't have text - how are you going to get my information or money for your service?

      From what I see in the responses - If I don't have text, than the place you work for is useless to me.

      If your landline doesn't do text to speech and you don't have a mobile number or email address you are probably too small a demographic to worry about

    2. Re:Landline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My landline doesn't have text - how are you going to get my information or money for your service?

      From what I see in the responses - If I don't have text, than the place you work for is useless to me.

      If your landline doesn't do text to speech and you don't have a mobile number or email address you are probably too small a demographic to worry about

      Blast from the days when we used to put a seashell in the telling-bone.

  62. Schizophrenic? by William+Baric · · Score: 2

    People north of 40 are schizophrenic about voice mail?

    Like... they hear voices when they listen to voice mails?

  63. nerds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who is here just befor xmas - white, socialy inept males. These are exactly those people that are great at communicating especially by speech, correct? Top it with - one/my solution fits all line of thought, that nerds usually have and we are ready to go. US telecom market being customer hostile aberration is of course just cause yet there are people that still use vm. I use it for communicating with family and neighbours for instance. Then again I did not give my pre teenage kids phones to have a chance of not raising stupidified assholes I see the whole working day. I am not that desperate tho. If I find telecom institutions failing me murican way I go bravik on them. That is very comforting thought on xmas eve.

  64. Underemployment by tepples · · Score: 1

    Being cheap is no excuse for annoying people.

    So where should someone who's underemployed come up with the money to pay for all these recurring expenses to keep up with the Joneses? One has to buy a cell phone and cell phone service because voice mail users are annoying, one has to buy a car, insurance, maintenance, and fuel because cyclists are annoying, etc.

  65. These responses are heavily tech-industry biased by PPalmgren · · Score: 1

    I work in finance, commonly dealing with payroll systems and data. There's a lot of stuff you can't or discuss in a standard email, and the secure stuff I do send, I only provide the password verbally to the recipient. On top of this, most agencies I need to interact with (state gov'ts/IRS/unions/EBAs) don't have anything available except voice discussion or snailmail.

  66. Voicemail Good ; Voice UI Bad by BrendaEM · · Score: 1

    It take a long time to fetch voicemails. I don't care about what time they called, unless I need too. Get it?

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  67. The best voicemail system... by sonamchauhan · · Score: 1

    ... transcribes speech, and presents both media - interleaved - in real-time.

    The recipient can now skip between listening and reading, alter playback rate, even 'catchup' with, and interrupt the caller to speak directly.

  68. Speech to text by nessman · · Score: 1

    Google Voice for my cell phone, Microsoft Lync for my work phone. My home phone # I don't even give out - and what we do get is crap anyway... in fact it doesn't even ring... just goes straight to voice mail which I can retrieve by e-mail - but since most of that voice mail is telemarketing crap, it ends up in my e-mail SPAM folder anyway (I need a landline to dial into remote sites, send out the rare fax, etc... as I work from home).

    Speech to text is reasonably OK on either platform - I get the gist of the message from it. Rarely ever listen to VM anymore unless the transcription is indecipherable.

  69. combine txt&email already by johncandale · · Score: 1

    Can we combine txt and email already in the United States? The Asian markets got this right a decade ago because their phones were not locked to carriers by the corrupt simi-monopoly granting senators. Free market. The right way to do it, is in email phone apps hide header data. Hiding header data in email=txt messages without size limits.

  70. Depends on the reason/environment by mordred99 · · Score: 1

    I think it all depends on the reason/environment. If you are at home versus at work. If it is family/friend or a coworker. I like voice .. and I call for anything that requires a back and forth conversation. If a text chain is more than 3 messages it becomes a call. If an email chain becomes a back and forth, I make it a call. You will get a voicemail from me, always when I call. I will clearly outlay why I am calling, and what I expect in return from you. I don't call to ask about the email I just sent, or something that is a status. I read though most of this thread and people bitch because they think their time is more important than others. "I am too busy to answer voicemail" "Put it in an email" "Just text me". There is very good reason to use a phone, and that is to get a back and forth conversation. I call people 3-4 times a day when I need to have a conversation (I said conversation, not IM, as that is not a conversation). I also use the drop-by to get what I want as well. If you are dodging my emails, and voice calls, I drop by. There is a reason I ask you a question, and am trying to get a hold of you - I need a response.

    While voicemail can go away in my book, used properly, it is a very effective tool. People don't use it effectively and that is why it is an issue.

    The last thing, it is hard to type an email or text when you are driving, and you need to talk to someone. However to call, leave a voicemail and then let them get back to you when they can, works just as well.

  71. Visual Voice Mail is The Way to Go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Voice mail is easy to leave, but difficult to retrieve. The fact is when something is very important we still turn to the phone. New technology that transcribes voice messages to text and sends you an SMS or email gives companies the best option to serve their callers while making it easier for their employees to get the messages on their Smartphones. There are over a million and half business users using giSTT voice to text and they report it helps increase responsiveness and customer satisfaction. Asking a customer to hang up and send a text is just a bad business decision. Companies need to focus on communicating smarter by making it easier to connect and engage with customers.